Re: [DISCUSS] Remove 72 hour waiting time to add PPMC members.

[Justin Mclean]

Hi,

There doesn’t seem to be any objection in changing this, so consider it changed.

Kin dRegards,
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Re: [DISCUSS] Remove 72 hour waiting time to add PPMC members.

[Craig Russell]

+1 from me.

The IPMC has greater ability to correct any PPMC "mistakes" at graduation than 
the board does in case of an issue with a PMC appointment.

Craig

> On Oct 15, 2022, at 21:46, Justin Mclean  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
>> While this is a legitimate concern, as far as I know the Board and the
>> IPMC have not once exercised the right of veto
> 
> It has happened, but we’re talking only a few times, so it is still a very 
> rare exception.
> 
> Podlings have more frequently been queried about their PMC makeup on 
> graduation and in several cases asked to make changes, so I think we can 
> cover any issues at that point.
> 
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Re: [DISCUSS] Remove 72 hour waiting time to add PPMC members.

[david zollo]

+1
It sounds good to me.



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> Hi,
>
> > While this is a legitimate concern, as far as I know the Board and the
> > IPMC have not once exercised the right of veto
>
> It has happened, but we’re talking only a few times, so it is still a very
> rare exception.
>
> Podlings have more frequently been queried about their PMC makeup on
> graduation and in several cases asked to make changes, so I think we can
> cover any issues at that point.
>
> Kind Regards,
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Re: [DISCUSS] Remove 72 hour waiting time to add PPMC members.

[Justin Mclean]

Hi,

> While this is a legitimate concern, as far as I know the Board and the
> IPMC have not once exercised the right of veto

It has happened, but we’re talking only a few times, so it is still a very rare 
exception.

Podlings have more frequently been queried about their PMC makeup on graduation 
and in several cases asked to make changes, so I think we can cover any issues 
at that point.

Kind Regards,
Justin
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Re: [DISCUSS] Remove 72 hour waiting time to add PPMC members.

[Julian Hyde]

> If we now exercise our means to object [to] a nomination after it’s executed,
> we have this odd unpleasant situation of the person knowing what happened.

While this is a legitimate concern, as far as I know the Board and the
IPMC have not once exercised the right of veto, for hundreds if not
thousands of PMC and PPMC appointments. So, let's optimize the common
code path (approval without objection) over the rare path (veto from
the Board/IPMC).

On Sat, Oct 15, 2022 at 9:40 AM Christofer Dutz
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>
> Hi,
>
> Well, I guess one of the reasons for the 72 hour was, that others can express 
> their doubts before the person is invited.
> If we now exercise our means to object a nomination after it’s executed, we 
> have this odd unpleasant situation of the person knowing what happened.
>
> But I guess we could try it and put it back in place if we see things go 
> south.
>
> Chris
>
>
> From: Justin Mclean 
> Date: Friday, 14. October 2022 at 17:39
> To: general@incubator.apache.org 
> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Remove 72 hour waiting time to add PPMC members.
> Hi,
>
> > I’m a bit worried that in contrast to PMCs PPMCs are usually not quite 
> > familiar with how things work at Apache.
> > Would we still have an option to intervene, if for example one PPMC bunch 
> > adds people from the same company, for example?
>
> I have a slight concern there as well, but this would very rarely occur. The 
> IPMC can remove people from the PPMC if they were inappropriately added.
>
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Re: [DISCUSS] Remove 72 hour waiting time to add PPMC members.

[Christofer Dutz]

Hi,

Well, I guess one of the reasons for the 72 hour was, that others can express 
their doubts before the person is invited.
If we now exercise our means to object a nomination after it’s executed, we 
have this odd unpleasant situation of the person knowing what happened.

But I guess we could try it and put it back in place if we see things go south.

Chris


From: Justin Mclean 
Date: Friday, 14. October 2022 at 17:39
To: general@incubator.apache.org 
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Remove 72 hour waiting time to add PPMC members.
Hi,

> I’m a bit worried that in contrast to PMCs PPMCs are usually not quite 
> familiar with how things work at Apache.
> Would we still have an option to intervene, if for example one PPMC bunch 
> adds people from the same company, for example?

I have a slight concern there as well, but this would very rarely occur. The 
IPMC can remove people from the PPMC if they were inappropriately added.

Kind Regards,
Justin
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Re: [DISCUSS] Remove 72 hour waiting time to add PPMC members.

[Bertrand Delacretaz]

Le ven. 14 oct. 2022 à 15:24, Christofer Dutz
 a écrit :
> ...Would we still have an option to intervene, if for example one PPMC bunch 
> adds people from the same company, for example?

That should be reviewed at graduation time.

A PPMC has no formal power, so cannot cause any harm to the Foundation
- but yes we need to be careful when graduation happens.

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Re: [DISCUSS] Remove 72 hour waiting time to add PPMC members.

[Justin Mclean]

Hi,

> I’m a bit worried that in contrast to PMCs PPMCs are usually not quite 
> familiar with how things work at Apache.
> Would we still have an option to intervene, if for example one PPMC bunch 
> adds people from the same company, for example?

I have a slight concern there as well, but this would very rarely occur. The 
IPMC can remove people from the PPMC if they were inappropriately added.

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Re: [DISCUSS] Remove 72 hour waiting time to add PPMC members.

[Justin Mclean]

Hi,

> Out of curiosity: is there a specific motivation for the change for the
> incubator - or just to keep in line with 'regular' PMC path?

Mostly to keep it in line with what PMC’s do, it also simplifies the process.

> Also, is there a relevant thread somewhere from Board discussion, as to the 
> reason
> for the change for PMC wait period?

There been a few conversations on the board list, the last (I believe) was this 
one. [1]

Kind Regards,
Justin

1. https://lists.apache.org/thread/cwwtw5hpsdr1953k2g2dxhr9jwnwvjnt
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Re: [DISCUSS] Remove 72 hour waiting time to add PPMC members.

[Jean-Baptiste Onofré]

+1

It sounds good to me.

Regards
JB

On Fri, Oct 14, 2022 at 8:24 AM Willem Jiang  wrote:
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> +1 for removing the 72-hour wait time to add a PPMC member.
>
> Willem Jiang
>
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>
> On Fri, Oct 14, 2022 at 6:45 AM Justin Mclean  
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > The board recently changed the 72-hour waiting time to add a PMC member to 
> > a top level project. We have the same 72-hour waiting time to add PPMC 
> > members to a podling.
> >
> > Do we want to consider removing this 72-hour waiting time and just require 
> > a PMC to notify the IPMC that they want to add someone?
> >
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Re: [DISCUSS] Remove 72 hour waiting time to add PPMC members.

[Christofer Dutz]

+/-0 (binding)

I’m a bit worried that in contrast to PMCs PPMCs are usually not quite familiar 
with how things work at Apache.
Would we still have an option to intervene, if for example one PPMC bunch adds 
people from the same company, for example?

Chris

From: Goson zhang 
Date: Friday, 14. October 2022 at 02:41
To: general@incubator.apache.org 
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Remove 72 hour waiting time to add PPMC members.
+1 non-binding

peacewong  于2022年10月14日周五 15:05写道：

>   +1(non binding) to keep the NOTICE and remove 72 hours of waiting.
>
> Best Regards!
>
>
>
> Willem Jiang  于2022年10月14日周五 14:24写道：
>
> > +1 for removing the 72-hour wait time to add a PPMC member.
> >
> > Willem Jiang
> >
> > Twitter: willemjiang
> > Weibo: 姜宁willem
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 14, 2022 at 6:45 AM Justin Mclean 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > The board recently changed the 72-hour waiting time to add a PMC member
> > to a top level project. We have the same 72-hour waiting time to add PPMC
> > members to a podling.
> > >
> > > Do we want to consider removing this 72-hour waiting time and just
> > require a PMC to notify the IPMC that they want to add someone?
> > >
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Re: [DISCUSS] Remove 72 hour waiting time to add PPMC members.

[Goson zhang]

+1 non-binding

peacewong  于2022年10月14日周五 15:05写道：

>   +1(non binding) to keep the NOTICE and remove 72 hours of waiting.
>
> Best Regards!
>
>
>
> Willem Jiang  于2022年10月14日周五 14:24写道：
>
> > +1 for removing the 72-hour wait time to add a PPMC member.
> >
> > Willem Jiang
> >
> > Twitter: willemjiang
> > Weibo: 姜宁willem
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 14, 2022 at 6:45 AM Justin Mclean 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > The board recently changed the 72-hour waiting time to add a PMC member
> > to a top level project. We have the same 72-hour waiting time to add PPMC
> > members to a podling.
> > >
> > > Do we want to consider removing this 72-hour waiting time and just
> > require a PMC to notify the IPMC that they want to add someone?
> > >
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Re: [DISCUSS] Remove 72 hour waiting time to add PPMC members.

[peacewong]

  +1(non binding) to keep the NOTICE and remove 72 hours of waiting.

Best Regards!



Willem Jiang  于2022年10月14日周五 14:24写道：

> +1 for removing the 72-hour wait time to add a PPMC member.
>
> Willem Jiang
>
> Twitter: willemjiang
> Weibo: 姜宁willem
>
> On Fri, Oct 14, 2022 at 6:45 AM Justin Mclean 
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > The board recently changed the 72-hour waiting time to add a PMC member
> to a top level project. We have the same 72-hour waiting time to add PPMC
> members to a podling.
> >
> > Do we want to consider removing this 72-hour waiting time and just
> require a PMC to notify the IPMC that they want to add someone?
> >
> > Kind Regards,
> > Justin
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Re: [DISCUSS] Remove 72 hour waiting time to add PPMC members.

[Willem Jiang]

+1 for removing the 72-hour wait time to add a PPMC member.

Willem Jiang

Twitter: willemjiang
Weibo: 姜宁willem

On Fri, Oct 14, 2022 at 6:45 AM Justin Mclean  wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> The board recently changed the 72-hour waiting time to add a PMC member to a 
> top level project. We have the same 72-hour waiting time to add PPMC members 
> to a podling.
>
> Do we want to consider removing this 72-hour waiting time and just require a 
> PMC to notify the IPMC that they want to add someone?
>
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Re: [DISCUSS] Remove 72 hour waiting time to add PPMC members.

[Charles Zhang]

  +1(non binding) to keep the NOTICE and remove 72 hours of waiting.

Best wishes,
Charles Zhang
from Apache InLong


alin.jerpe...@sony.com  于2022年10月14日周五 12:08写道：

> +1 non-binding
>
> Best Regards
> Alin Jerpelea
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> +1 non-binding
>
> Best Regards!
> Chen Xia
>
>
> Yu Xiao  于2022年10月14日周五 10:33写道：
> >
> > + 1 ，about add PPMC~
> >
> > Best wishes!
> >
> > Yu Xiao
> > Apache ShenYu
> >
> > Austin Bennett  于2022年10月14日周五 10:24写道：
> > >
> > > +1 (non binding)
> > >
> > > Out of curiosity: is there a specific motivation for the change for
> > > the incubator - or just to keep in line with 'regular' PMC path?
> > > Also, is there a relevant thread somewhere from Board discussion, as
> > > to the reason for the change for PMC wait period?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, Oct 13, 2022 at 9:52 PM Josh Fischer 
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > +1 (non binding)
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Oct 13, 2022 at 7:51 PM Sheng Wu
> > > > 
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > +1 to keep the NOTICE and remove 72 hours waiting.
> > > > >
> > > > > Sheng Wu 吴晟
> > > > > Twitter, wusheng1108
> > > > >
> > > > > Calvin Kirs  于2022年10月14日周五 08:37写道：
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Fri, Oct 14, 2022 at 6:57 AM Dave Fisher
> > > > > > 
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Oct 13, 2022, at 3:46 PM, Justin Mclean <
> > > > jus...@classsoftware.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The board recently changed the 72-hour waiting time to add
> > > > > > > > a PMC
> > > > > member to a top level project. We have the same 72-hour waiting
> > > > > time to
> > > > add
> > > > > PPMC members to a podling.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Do we want to consider removing this 72-hour waiting time
> > > > > > > > and just
> > > > > require a PMC to notify the IPMC that they want to add someone?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Let’s just require that they notify that a PPMC member has
> > > > > > > been
> > > > added.
> > > > > > +1
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Kind Regards,
> > > > > > > > Justin
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RE: [DISCUSS] Remove 72 hour waiting time to add PPMC members.

[alin.jerpe...@sony.com]

+1 non-binding

Best Regards
Alin Jerpelea

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+1 non-binding

Best Regards!
Chen Xia


Yu Xiao  于2022年10月14日周五 10:33写道：
>
> + 1 ，about add PPMC~
>
> Best wishes!
>
> Yu Xiao
> Apache ShenYu
>
> Austin Bennett  于2022年10月14日周五 10:24写道：
> >
> > +1 (non binding)
> >
> > Out of curiosity: is there a specific motivation for the change for 
> > the incubator - or just to keep in line with 'regular' PMC path?  
> > Also, is there a relevant thread somewhere from Board discussion, as 
> > to the reason for the change for PMC wait period?
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Oct 13, 2022 at 9:52 PM Josh Fischer  wrote:
> >
> > > +1 (non binding)
> > >
> > > On Thu, Oct 13, 2022 at 7:51 PM Sheng Wu 
> > > 
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > +1 to keep the NOTICE and remove 72 hours waiting.
> > > >
> > > > Sheng Wu 吴晟
> > > > Twitter, wusheng1108
> > > >
> > > > Calvin Kirs  于2022年10月14日周五 08:37写道：
> > > > >
> > > > > On Fri, Oct 14, 2022 at 6:57 AM Dave Fisher 
> > > > > 
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sent from my iPhone
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Oct 13, 2022, at 3:46 PM, Justin Mclean <
> > > jus...@classsoftware.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The board recently changed the 72-hour waiting time to add 
> > > > > > > a PMC
> > > > member to a top level project. We have the same 72-hour waiting 
> > > > time to
> > > add
> > > > PPMC members to a podling.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Do we want to consider removing this 72-hour waiting time 
> > > > > > > and just
> > > > require a PMC to notify the IPMC that they want to add someone?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Let’s just require that they notify that a PPMC member has 
> > > > > > been
> > > added.
> > > > > +1
> > > > > > >
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Re: [DISCUSS] Remove 72 hour waiting time to add PPMC members.

[Nathan Hartman]

On Thu, Oct 13, 2022 at 6:45 PM Justin Mclean  wrote:
> The board recently changed the 72-hour waiting time to add a PMC member to a 
> top level project. We have the same 72-hour waiting time to add PPMC members 
> to a podling.
>
> Do we want to consider removing this 72-hour waiting time and just require a 
> PMC to notify the IPMC that they want to add someone?

Seems sensible to me.

+1 to remove the 72-hour wait time and keep the NOTICE requirement.

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Re: [DISCUSS] Remove 72 hour waiting time to add PPMC members.

[William Guo]

+1

remove 72 hours waiting.

Thanks,
William

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wrote:

> +1 non-binding
>
> Best Regards!
> Chen Xia
>
>
> Yu Xiao  于2022年10月14日周五 10:33写道：
> >
> > + 1 ，about add PPMC~
> >
> > Best wishes!
> >
> > Yu Xiao
> > Apache ShenYu
> >
> > Austin Bennett  于2022年10月14日周五 10:24写道：
> > >
> > > +1 (non binding)
> > >
> > > Out of curiosity: is there a specific motivation for the change for the
> > > incubator - or just to keep in line with 'regular' PMC path?  Also, is
> > > there a relevant thread somewhere from Board discussion, as to the
> reason
> > > for the change for PMC wait period?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, Oct 13, 2022 at 9:52 PM Josh Fischer 
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > +1 (non binding)
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Oct 13, 2022 at 7:51 PM Sheng Wu 
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > +1 to keep the NOTICE and remove 72 hours waiting.
> > > > >
> > > > > Sheng Wu 吴晟
> > > > > Twitter, wusheng1108
> > > > >
> > > > > Calvin Kirs  于2022年10月14日周五 08:37写道：
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Fri, Oct 14, 2022 at 6:57 AM Dave Fisher <
> wave4d...@comcast.net>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Oct 13, 2022, at 3:46 PM, Justin Mclean <
> > > > jus...@classsoftware.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The board recently changed the 72-hour waiting time to add a
> PMC
> > > > > member to a top level project. We have the same 72-hour waiting
> time to
> > > > add
> > > > > PPMC members to a podling.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Do we want to consider removing this 72-hour waiting time
> and just
> > > > > require a PMC to notify the IPMC that they want to add someone?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Let’s just require that they notify that a PPMC member has been
> > > > added.
> > > > > > +1
> > > > > > > >
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Re: [DISCUSS] Remove 72 hour waiting time to add PPMC members.

[cas...@apache.org]

+1 non-binding

Best Regards!
Chen Xia


Yu Xiao  于2022年10月14日周五 10:33写道：
>
> + 1 ，about add PPMC~
>
> Best wishes!
>
> Yu Xiao
> Apache ShenYu
>
> Austin Bennett  于2022年10月14日周五 10:24写道：
> >
> > +1 (non binding)
> >
> > Out of curiosity: is there a specific motivation for the change for the
> > incubator - or just to keep in line with 'regular' PMC path?  Also, is
> > there a relevant thread somewhere from Board discussion, as to the reason
> > for the change for PMC wait period?
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Oct 13, 2022 at 9:52 PM Josh Fischer  wrote:
> >
> > > +1 (non binding)
> > >
> > > On Thu, Oct 13, 2022 at 7:51 PM Sheng Wu 
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > +1 to keep the NOTICE and remove 72 hours waiting.
> > > >
> > > > Sheng Wu 吴晟
> > > > Twitter, wusheng1108
> > > >
> > > > Calvin Kirs  于2022年10月14日周五 08:37写道：
> > > > >
> > > > > On Fri, Oct 14, 2022 at 6:57 AM Dave Fisher 
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sent from my iPhone
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Oct 13, 2022, at 3:46 PM, Justin Mclean <
> > > jus...@classsoftware.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The board recently changed the 72-hour waiting time to add a PMC
> > > > member to a top level project. We have the same 72-hour waiting time to
> > > add
> > > > PPMC members to a podling.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Do we want to consider removing this 72-hour waiting time and just
> > > > require a PMC to notify the IPMC that they want to add someone?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Let’s just require that they notify that a PPMC member has been
> > > added.
> > > > > +1
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Kind Regards,
> > > > > > > Justin
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Re: [DISCUSS] Remove 72 hour waiting time to add PPMC members.

[Yu Xiao]

+ 1 ，about add PPMC~

Best wishes!

Yu Xiao
Apache ShenYu

Austin Bennett  于2022年10月14日周五 10:24写道：
>
> +1 (non binding)
>
> Out of curiosity: is there a specific motivation for the change for the
> incubator - or just to keep in line with 'regular' PMC path?  Also, is
> there a relevant thread somewhere from Board discussion, as to the reason
> for the change for PMC wait period?
>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 13, 2022 at 9:52 PM Josh Fischer  wrote:
>
> > +1 (non binding)
> >
> > On Thu, Oct 13, 2022 at 7:51 PM Sheng Wu 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > +1 to keep the NOTICE and remove 72 hours waiting.
> > >
> > > Sheng Wu 吴晟
> > > Twitter, wusheng1108
> > >
> > > Calvin Kirs  于2022年10月14日周五 08:37写道：
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, Oct 14, 2022 at 6:57 AM Dave Fisher 
> > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Sent from my iPhone
> > > > >
> > > > > > On Oct 13, 2022, at 3:46 PM, Justin Mclean <
> > jus...@classsoftware.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The board recently changed the 72-hour waiting time to add a PMC
> > > member to a top level project. We have the same 72-hour waiting time to
> > add
> > > PPMC members to a podling.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Do we want to consider removing this 72-hour waiting time and just
> > > require a PMC to notify the IPMC that they want to add someone?
> > > > >
> > > > > Let’s just require that they notify that a PPMC member has been
> > added.
> > > > +1
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Kind Regards,
> > > > > > Justin
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Re: [DISCUSS] Remove 72 hour waiting time to add PPMC members.

[Austin Bennett]

+1 (non binding)

Out of curiosity: is there a specific motivation for the change for the
incubator - or just to keep in line with 'regular' PMC path?  Also, is
there a relevant thread somewhere from Board discussion, as to the reason
for the change for PMC wait period?



On Thu, Oct 13, 2022 at 9:52 PM Josh Fischer  wrote:

> +1 (non binding)
>
> On Thu, Oct 13, 2022 at 7:51 PM Sheng Wu 
> wrote:
>
> > +1 to keep the NOTICE and remove 72 hours waiting.
> >
> > Sheng Wu 吴晟
> > Twitter, wusheng1108
> >
> > Calvin Kirs  于2022年10月14日周五 08:37写道：
> > >
> > > On Fri, Oct 14, 2022 at 6:57 AM Dave Fisher 
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Sent from my iPhone
> > > >
> > > > > On Oct 13, 2022, at 3:46 PM, Justin Mclean <
> jus...@classsoftware.com>
> > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi,
> > > > >
> > > > > The board recently changed the 72-hour waiting time to add a PMC
> > member to a top level project. We have the same 72-hour waiting time to
> add
> > PPMC members to a podling.
> > > > >
> > > > > Do we want to consider removing this 72-hour waiting time and just
> > require a PMC to notify the IPMC that they want to add someone?
> > > >
> > > > Let’s just require that they notify that a PPMC member has been
> added.
> > > +1
> > > > >
> > > > > Kind Regards,
> > > > > Justin
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Re: [DISCUSS] Remove 72 hour waiting time to add PPMC members.

[tison]

+1 to keep the NOTICE and remove 72 hours requirement.

One reminder here is that we should update the description on
https://whimsy.apache.org/ when adding new members also. Currently, it
writes:

> To add existing committers to the PPMC, please cancel this dialog. Select
the committer from the list and use the Modify button.

That can be read as neither NOTICE nor 72 hours requirement is needed.

Best,
tison.


Josh Fischer  于2022年10月14日周五 09:52写道：

> +1 (non binding)
>
> On Thu, Oct 13, 2022 at 7:51 PM Sheng Wu 
> wrote:
>
> > +1 to keep the NOTICE and remove 72 hours waiting.
> >
> > Sheng Wu 吴晟
> > Twitter, wusheng1108
> >
> > Calvin Kirs  于2022年10月14日周五 08:37写道：
> > >
> > > On Fri, Oct 14, 2022 at 6:57 AM Dave Fisher 
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Sent from my iPhone
> > > >
> > > > > On Oct 13, 2022, at 3:46 PM, Justin Mclean <
> jus...@classsoftware.com>
> > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi,
> > > > >
> > > > > The board recently changed the 72-hour waiting time to add a PMC
> > member to a top level project. We have the same 72-hour waiting time to
> add
> > PPMC members to a podling.
> > > > >
> > > > > Do we want to consider removing this 72-hour waiting time and just
> > require a PMC to notify the IPMC that they want to add someone?
> > > >
> > > > Let’s just require that they notify that a PPMC member has been
> added.
> > > +1
> > > > >
> > > > > Kind Regards,
> > > > > Justin
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Re: [DISCUSS] Remove 72 hour waiting time to add PPMC members.

[Josh Fischer]

+1 (non binding)

On Thu, Oct 13, 2022 at 7:51 PM Sheng Wu  wrote:

> +1 to keep the NOTICE and remove 72 hours waiting.
>
> Sheng Wu 吴晟
> Twitter, wusheng1108
>
> Calvin Kirs  于2022年10月14日周五 08:37写道：
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 14, 2022 at 6:57 AM Dave Fisher 
> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > > > On Oct 13, 2022, at 3:46 PM, Justin Mclean 
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > The board recently changed the 72-hour waiting time to add a PMC
> member to a top level project. We have the same 72-hour waiting time to add
> PPMC members to a podling.
> > > >
> > > > Do we want to consider removing this 72-hour waiting time and just
> require a PMC to notify the IPMC that they want to add someone?
> > >
> > > Let’s just require that they notify that a PPMC member has been added.
> > +1
> > > >
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Re: [DISCUSS] Remove 72 hour waiting time to add PPMC members.

[Sheng Wu]

+1 to keep the NOTICE and remove 72 hours waiting.

Sheng Wu 吴晟
Twitter, wusheng1108

Calvin Kirs  于2022年10月14日周五 08:37写道：
>
> On Fri, Oct 14, 2022 at 6:57 AM Dave Fisher  wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Oct 13, 2022, at 3:46 PM, Justin Mclean  
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > The board recently changed the 72-hour waiting time to add a PMC member 
> > > to a top level project. We have the same 72-hour waiting time to add PPMC 
> > > members to a podling.
> > >
> > > Do we want to consider removing this 72-hour waiting time and just 
> > > require a PMC to notify the IPMC that they want to add someone?
> >
> > Let’s just require that they notify that a PPMC member has been added.
> +1
> > >
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Re: [DISCUSS] Remove 72 hour waiting time to add PPMC members.

[Calvin Kirs]

On Fri, Oct 14, 2022 at 6:57 AM Dave Fisher  wrote:
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Oct 13, 2022, at 3:46 PM, Justin Mclean  wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > The board recently changed the 72-hour waiting time to add a PMC member to 
> > a top level project. We have the same 72-hour waiting time to add PPMC 
> > members to a podling.
> >
> > Do we want to consider removing this 72-hour waiting time and just require 
> > a PMC to notify the IPMC that they want to add someone?
>
> Let’s just require that they notify that a PPMC member has been added.
+1
> >
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Re: [DISCUSS] Remove 72 hour waiting time to add PPMC members.

[Dave Fisher]

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 13, 2022, at 3:46 PM, Justin Mclean  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> The board recently changed the 72-hour waiting time to add a PMC member to a 
> top level project. We have the same 72-hour waiting time to add PPMC members 
> to a podling. 
> 
> Do we want to consider removing this 72-hour waiting time and just require a 
> PMC to notify the IPMC that they want to add someone?

Let’s just require that they notify that a PPMC member has been added.
> 
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