[DISCUSS] Vote forwarding confusion (Was: Re: Fwd: [VOTE] Graduate Apache Guacamole as TLP)

2017-10-27 Thread Mike Jumper
Sounds like a good idea to me. Clicking the forward button is simple,
but the resulting list confusion outweighs that.

Forwarding in this case also confused Pony Mail, which is magically
unifying the emails from general@ into the dev@ thread, while
providing a warning in general@ that only part of the thread is shown.
The good old mod_mbox archives get the two threads right, though.

- Mike

On Fri, Oct 27, 2017 at 11:40 AM, John D. Ament  wrote:
>
> Thanks for pointing it out.  This tends to happen here at the incubator.
>
> I'm contemplating removing the "FWD the vote" part from
> https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#community_graduation_vote
> to
> avoid situations like this, and instead encourage others to send an email
> to general@ indicating they're voting on graduation with a link to the vote
> in it.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> John
>
> On Fri, Oct 27, 2017 at 2:38 PM Mike Jumper  wrote:
>
> > I'll gladly copy these votes onto the guacamole dev@ list when the result
> > is called, but beware that this thread is not the VOTE thread. This is the
> > thread notifying the incubator general list that the community VOTE is in
> > progress.
> >
> > - Mike
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 27, 2017 at 11:11 AM, Pierre Smits 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > +1
> > >
> > > Best regards
> > >
> > > Pierre
> > >
> > > On Thu, 26 Oct 2017 at 14:55 Jean-Baptiste Onofré 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > +1 (binding)
> > > >
> > > > (forwarding my vote here)
> > > >
> > > > Regards
> > > > JB
> > > >
> > > > On 10/25/2017 06:15 AM, Mike Jumper wrote:
> > > > > FYI, the community vote for graduating Apache Guacamole as TLP has
> > now
> > > > begun.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > >
> > > > > - Mike
> > > > >
> > > > > -- Forwarded message --
> > > > > From: Mike Jumper 
> > > > > Date: Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 9:10 PM
> > > > > Subject: [VOTE] Graduate Apache Guacamole as TLP
> > > > > To: d...@guacamole.incubator.apache.org
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Hello all,
> > > > >
> > > > > Given the current state of the Apache Guacamole podling, positive
> > > > > discussion on this list regarding graduation [1] [2], and positive
> > > > > feedback regarding graduation in our most recent podling report [3],
> > I
> > > > > would like to begin the community VOTE for graduation of Apache
> > > > > Guacamole to TLP.
> > > > >
> > > > > The podling status page is completed and up to date, and a maturity
> > > > > evaluation has been completed and published to the website:
> > > > >
> > > > >  Podling status page:
> > > > http://incubator.apache.org/projects/guacamole.html
> > > > >  Maturity evaluation:
> > > > > http://guacamole.incubator.apache.org/maturity-evaluation/
> > > > >
> > > > > The draft resolution for establishing the Apache Guacamole TLP can be
> > > > > found at the bottom of this email. Please review the resolution and
> > > > > VOTE:
> > > > >
> > > > > [ ] +1 Graduate Apache Guacamole as TLP
> > > > > [ ] -1 Don't graduate Apache Guacamole as TLP (please provide
> > specific
> > > > comments)
> > > > >
> > > > > This is a community vote and everyone is invited to participate. PPMC
> > > > > votes should be marked binding.
> > > > >
> > > > > This vote will be open for at least 72 hours.
> > > > >
> > > > > Here is my +1 (binding).
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > >
> > > > > - Mike
> > > > >
> > > > > [1]
> > > > https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/0848dd53b6acc1a0edea2eda1f3852
> > > 94eeb041a88c3d1f6221fa1ef2@%3Cdev.guacamole.apache.org%3E
> > > > > [2]
> > > > https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/a5259173a8ef4a1d2bb7be2d99d3cb
> > > c2ccf8856130ae6e3fe54e079e@%3Cdev.guacamole.apache.org%3E
> > > > > [3] https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/August2017
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > >
> > > > > Establish the Apache Guacamole Project
> > > > >
> > > > > WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best interests
> > of
> > > > > the Foundation and consistent with the Foundation's purpose to
> > > establish
> > > > > a Project Management Committee charged with the creation and
> > > maintenance
> > > > > of open-source software, for distribution at no charge to the public,
> > > > > related to providing performant, browser-based remote access.
> > > > >
> > > > > NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management Committee
> > > > > (PMC), to be known as the "Apache Guacamole Project", be and hereby
> > is
> > > > > established pursuant to Bylaws of the Foundation; and be it further
> > > > >
> > > > > RESOLVED, that the Apache Guacamole Project be and hereby is
> > > responsible
> > > > > for the creation and maintenance of software related to providing
> > > > > performant, browser-based remote access; and be it further
> > > > >
> > > > > RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache Guacamole" be
> > and
> > > > > hereby is created, the person holding such office to 

Re: Fwd: [VOTE] Graduate Apache Guacamole as TLP

2017-10-27 Thread John D. Ament
Thanks for pointing it out.  This tends to happen here at the incubator.

I'm contemplating removing the "FWD the vote" part from
https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#community_graduation_vote
to
avoid situations like this, and instead encourage others to send an email
to general@ indicating they're voting on graduation with a link to the vote
in it.

Thoughts?

John

On Fri, Oct 27, 2017 at 2:38 PM Mike Jumper  wrote:

> I'll gladly copy these votes onto the guacamole dev@ list when the result
> is called, but beware that this thread is not the VOTE thread. This is the
> thread notifying the incubator general list that the community VOTE is in
> progress.
>
> - Mike
>
> On Fri, Oct 27, 2017 at 11:11 AM, Pierre Smits 
> wrote:
>
> > +1
> >
> > Best regards
> >
> > Pierre
> >
> > On Thu, 26 Oct 2017 at 14:55 Jean-Baptiste Onofré 
> wrote:
> >
> > > +1 (binding)
> > >
> > > (forwarding my vote here)
> > >
> > > Regards
> > > JB
> > >
> > > On 10/25/2017 06:15 AM, Mike Jumper wrote:
> > > > FYI, the community vote for graduating Apache Guacamole as TLP has
> now
> > > begun.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > - Mike
> > > >
> > > > -- Forwarded message --
> > > > From: Mike Jumper 
> > > > Date: Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 9:10 PM
> > > > Subject: [VOTE] Graduate Apache Guacamole as TLP
> > > > To: d...@guacamole.incubator.apache.org
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hello all,
> > > >
> > > > Given the current state of the Apache Guacamole podling, positive
> > > > discussion on this list regarding graduation [1] [2], and positive
> > > > feedback regarding graduation in our most recent podling report [3],
> I
> > > > would like to begin the community VOTE for graduation of Apache
> > > > Guacamole to TLP.
> > > >
> > > > The podling status page is completed and up to date, and a maturity
> > > > evaluation has been completed and published to the website:
> > > >
> > > >  Podling status page:
> > > http://incubator.apache.org/projects/guacamole.html
> > > >  Maturity evaluation:
> > > > http://guacamole.incubator.apache.org/maturity-evaluation/
> > > >
> > > > The draft resolution for establishing the Apache Guacamole TLP can be
> > > > found at the bottom of this email. Please review the resolution and
> > > > VOTE:
> > > >
> > > > [ ] +1 Graduate Apache Guacamole as TLP
> > > > [ ] -1 Don't graduate Apache Guacamole as TLP (please provide
> specific
> > > comments)
> > > >
> > > > This is a community vote and everyone is invited to participate. PPMC
> > > > votes should be marked binding.
> > > >
> > > > This vote will be open for at least 72 hours.
> > > >
> > > > Here is my +1 (binding).
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > - Mike
> > > >
> > > > [1]
> > > https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/0848dd53b6acc1a0edea2eda1f3852
> > 94eeb041a88c3d1f6221fa1ef2@%3Cdev.guacamole.apache.org%3E
> > > > [2]
> > > https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/a5259173a8ef4a1d2bb7be2d99d3cb
> > c2ccf8856130ae6e3fe54e079e@%3Cdev.guacamole.apache.org%3E
> > > > [3] https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/August2017
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > > Establish the Apache Guacamole Project
> > > >
> > > > WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best interests
> of
> > > > the Foundation and consistent with the Foundation's purpose to
> > establish
> > > > a Project Management Committee charged with the creation and
> > maintenance
> > > > of open-source software, for distribution at no charge to the public,
> > > > related to providing performant, browser-based remote access.
> > > >
> > > > NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management Committee
> > > > (PMC), to be known as the "Apache Guacamole Project", be and hereby
> is
> > > > established pursuant to Bylaws of the Foundation; and be it further
> > > >
> > > > RESOLVED, that the Apache Guacamole Project be and hereby is
> > responsible
> > > > for the creation and maintenance of software related to providing
> > > > performant, browser-based remote access; and be it further
> > > >
> > > > RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache Guacamole" be
> and
> > > > hereby is created, the person holding such office to serve at the
> > > > direction of the Board of Directors as the chair of the Apache
> > Guacamole
> > > > Project, and to have primary responsibility for management of the
> > > > projects within the scope of responsibility of the Apache Guacamole
> > > > Project; and be it further
> > > >
> > > > RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and hereby are
> > > > appointed to serve as the initial members of the Apache Guacamole
> > > > Project:
> > > >
> > > >   * Carl Harris  
> > > >   * Daniel Gruno 
> > > >   * Frode Langelo
> > > >   * Greg Trasuk  
> > > >   * James Muehlner   

Re: Fwd: [VOTE] Graduate Apache Guacamole as TLP

2017-10-27 Thread Mike Jumper
I'll gladly copy these votes onto the guacamole dev@ list when the result
is called, but beware that this thread is not the VOTE thread. This is the
thread notifying the incubator general list that the community VOTE is in
progress.

- Mike

On Fri, Oct 27, 2017 at 11:11 AM, Pierre Smits 
wrote:

> +1
>
> Best regards
>
> Pierre
>
> On Thu, 26 Oct 2017 at 14:55 Jean-Baptiste Onofré  wrote:
>
> > +1 (binding)
> >
> > (forwarding my vote here)
> >
> > Regards
> > JB
> >
> > On 10/25/2017 06:15 AM, Mike Jumper wrote:
> > > FYI, the community vote for graduating Apache Guacamole as TLP has now
> > begun.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > - Mike
> > >
> > > -- Forwarded message --
> > > From: Mike Jumper 
> > > Date: Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 9:10 PM
> > > Subject: [VOTE] Graduate Apache Guacamole as TLP
> > > To: d...@guacamole.incubator.apache.org
> > >
> > >
> > > Hello all,
> > >
> > > Given the current state of the Apache Guacamole podling, positive
> > > discussion on this list regarding graduation [1] [2], and positive
> > > feedback regarding graduation in our most recent podling report [3], I
> > > would like to begin the community VOTE for graduation of Apache
> > > Guacamole to TLP.
> > >
> > > The podling status page is completed and up to date, and a maturity
> > > evaluation has been completed and published to the website:
> > >
> > >  Podling status page:
> > http://incubator.apache.org/projects/guacamole.html
> > >  Maturity evaluation:
> > > http://guacamole.incubator.apache.org/maturity-evaluation/
> > >
> > > The draft resolution for establishing the Apache Guacamole TLP can be
> > > found at the bottom of this email. Please review the resolution and
> > > VOTE:
> > >
> > > [ ] +1 Graduate Apache Guacamole as TLP
> > > [ ] -1 Don't graduate Apache Guacamole as TLP (please provide specific
> > comments)
> > >
> > > This is a community vote and everyone is invited to participate. PPMC
> > > votes should be marked binding.
> > >
> > > This vote will be open for at least 72 hours.
> > >
> > > Here is my +1 (binding).
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > - Mike
> > >
> > > [1]
> > https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/0848dd53b6acc1a0edea2eda1f3852
> 94eeb041a88c3d1f6221fa1ef2@%3Cdev.guacamole.apache.org%3E
> > > [2]
> > https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/a5259173a8ef4a1d2bb7be2d99d3cb
> c2ccf8856130ae6e3fe54e079e@%3Cdev.guacamole.apache.org%3E
> > > [3] https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/August2017
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > Establish the Apache Guacamole Project
> > >
> > > WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best interests of
> > > the Foundation and consistent with the Foundation's purpose to
> establish
> > > a Project Management Committee charged with the creation and
> maintenance
> > > of open-source software, for distribution at no charge to the public,
> > > related to providing performant, browser-based remote access.
> > >
> > > NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management Committee
> > > (PMC), to be known as the "Apache Guacamole Project", be and hereby is
> > > established pursuant to Bylaws of the Foundation; and be it further
> > >
> > > RESOLVED, that the Apache Guacamole Project be and hereby is
> responsible
> > > for the creation and maintenance of software related to providing
> > > performant, browser-based remote access; and be it further
> > >
> > > RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache Guacamole" be and
> > > hereby is created, the person holding such office to serve at the
> > > direction of the Board of Directors as the chair of the Apache
> Guacamole
> > > Project, and to have primary responsibility for management of the
> > > projects within the scope of responsibility of the Apache Guacamole
> > > Project; and be it further
> > >
> > > RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and hereby are
> > > appointed to serve as the initial members of the Apache Guacamole
> > > Project:
> > >
> > >   * Carl Harris  
> > >   * Daniel Gruno 
> > >   * Frode Langelo
> > >   * Greg Trasuk  
> > >   * James Muehlner   
> > >   * Jean-Baptiste Onofré 
> > >   * Jim Jagielski
> > >   * Mike Jumper  
> > >   * Nick Couchman
> > >   * Olivier Lamy 
> > >
> > > NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Mike Jumper be appointed
> to
> > > the office of Vice President, Apache Guacamole, to serve in accordance
> > > with and subject to the direction of the Board of Directors and the
> > > Bylaws of the Foundation until death, resignation, retirement, removal
> > > or disqualification, or until a successor is appointed; and be it
> > > further
> > >
> > > RESOLVED, that the initial 

Re: Fwd: [VOTE] Graduate Apache Guacamole as TLP

2017-10-27 Thread Pierre Smits
+1

Best regards

Pierre

On Thu, 26 Oct 2017 at 14:55 Jean-Baptiste Onofré  wrote:

> +1 (binding)
>
> (forwarding my vote here)
>
> Regards
> JB
>
> On 10/25/2017 06:15 AM, Mike Jumper wrote:
> > FYI, the community vote for graduating Apache Guacamole as TLP has now
> begun.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > - Mike
> >
> > -- Forwarded message --
> > From: Mike Jumper 
> > Date: Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 9:10 PM
> > Subject: [VOTE] Graduate Apache Guacamole as TLP
> > To: d...@guacamole.incubator.apache.org
> >
> >
> > Hello all,
> >
> > Given the current state of the Apache Guacamole podling, positive
> > discussion on this list regarding graduation [1] [2], and positive
> > feedback regarding graduation in our most recent podling report [3], I
> > would like to begin the community VOTE for graduation of Apache
> > Guacamole to TLP.
> >
> > The podling status page is completed and up to date, and a maturity
> > evaluation has been completed and published to the website:
> >
> >  Podling status page:
> http://incubator.apache.org/projects/guacamole.html
> >  Maturity evaluation:
> > http://guacamole.incubator.apache.org/maturity-evaluation/
> >
> > The draft resolution for establishing the Apache Guacamole TLP can be
> > found at the bottom of this email. Please review the resolution and
> > VOTE:
> >
> > [ ] +1 Graduate Apache Guacamole as TLP
> > [ ] -1 Don't graduate Apache Guacamole as TLP (please provide specific
> comments)
> >
> > This is a community vote and everyone is invited to participate. PPMC
> > votes should be marked binding.
> >
> > This vote will be open for at least 72 hours.
> >
> > Here is my +1 (binding).
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > - Mike
> >
> > [1]
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/0848dd53b6acc1a0edea2eda1f385294eeb041a88c3d1f6221fa1ef2@%3Cdev.guacamole.apache.org%3E
> > [2]
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/a5259173a8ef4a1d2bb7be2d99d3cbc2ccf8856130ae6e3fe54e079e@%3Cdev.guacamole.apache.org%3E
> > [3] https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/August2017
> >
> > --
> >
> > Establish the Apache Guacamole Project
> >
> > WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best interests of
> > the Foundation and consistent with the Foundation's purpose to establish
> > a Project Management Committee charged with the creation and maintenance
> > of open-source software, for distribution at no charge to the public,
> > related to providing performant, browser-based remote access.
> >
> > NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management Committee
> > (PMC), to be known as the "Apache Guacamole Project", be and hereby is
> > established pursuant to Bylaws of the Foundation; and be it further
> >
> > RESOLVED, that the Apache Guacamole Project be and hereby is responsible
> > for the creation and maintenance of software related to providing
> > performant, browser-based remote access; and be it further
> >
> > RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache Guacamole" be and
> > hereby is created, the person holding such office to serve at the
> > direction of the Board of Directors as the chair of the Apache Guacamole
> > Project, and to have primary responsibility for management of the
> > projects within the scope of responsibility of the Apache Guacamole
> > Project; and be it further
> >
> > RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and hereby are
> > appointed to serve as the initial members of the Apache Guacamole
> > Project:
> >
> >   * Carl Harris  
> >   * Daniel Gruno 
> >   * Frode Langelo
> >   * Greg Trasuk  
> >   * James Muehlner   
> >   * Jean-Baptiste Onofré 
> >   * Jim Jagielski
> >   * Mike Jumper  
> >   * Nick Couchman
> >   * Olivier Lamy 
> >
> > NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Mike Jumper be appointed to
> > the office of Vice President, Apache Guacamole, to serve in accordance
> > with and subject to the direction of the Board of Directors and the
> > Bylaws of the Foundation until death, resignation, retirement, removal
> > or disqualification, or until a successor is appointed; and be it
> > further
> >
> > RESOLVED, that the initial Apache Guacamole PMC be and hereby is tasked
> > with the creation of a set of bylaws intended to encourage open
> > development and increased participation in the Apache Guacamole Project;
> > and be it further
> >
> > RESOLVED, that the Apache Guacamole Project be and hereby is tasked with
> > the migration and rationalization of the Apache Incubator Guacamole
> > podling; and be it further
> >
> > RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache Incubator
> > Guacamole podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator PMC are hereafter
> > discharged.
> >
> > 

Re: Fwd: [VOTE] Graduate Apache Guacamole as TLP

2017-10-26 Thread Jean-Baptiste Onofré

+1 (binding)

(forwarding my vote here)

Regards
JB

On 10/25/2017 06:15 AM, Mike Jumper wrote:

FYI, the community vote for graduating Apache Guacamole as TLP has now begun.

Thanks,

- Mike

-- Forwarded message --
From: Mike Jumper 
Date: Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 9:10 PM
Subject: [VOTE] Graduate Apache Guacamole as TLP
To: d...@guacamole.incubator.apache.org


Hello all,

Given the current state of the Apache Guacamole podling, positive
discussion on this list regarding graduation [1] [2], and positive
feedback regarding graduation in our most recent podling report [3], I
would like to begin the community VOTE for graduation of Apache
Guacamole to TLP.

The podling status page is completed and up to date, and a maturity
evaluation has been completed and published to the website:

 Podling status page: http://incubator.apache.org/projects/guacamole.html
 Maturity evaluation:
http://guacamole.incubator.apache.org/maturity-evaluation/

The draft resolution for establishing the Apache Guacamole TLP can be
found at the bottom of this email. Please review the resolution and
VOTE:

[ ] +1 Graduate Apache Guacamole as TLP
[ ] -1 Don't graduate Apache Guacamole as TLP (please provide specific comments)

This is a community vote and everyone is invited to participate. PPMC
votes should be marked binding.

This vote will be open for at least 72 hours.

Here is my +1 (binding).

Thanks,

- Mike

[1] 
https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/0848dd53b6acc1a0edea2eda1f385294eeb041a88c3d1f6221fa1ef2@%3Cdev.guacamole.apache.org%3E
[2] 
https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/a5259173a8ef4a1d2bb7be2d99d3cbc2ccf8856130ae6e3fe54e079e@%3Cdev.guacamole.apache.org%3E
[3] https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/August2017

--

Establish the Apache Guacamole Project

WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best interests of
the Foundation and consistent with the Foundation's purpose to establish
a Project Management Committee charged with the creation and maintenance
of open-source software, for distribution at no charge to the public,
related to providing performant, browser-based remote access.

NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management Committee
(PMC), to be known as the "Apache Guacamole Project", be and hereby is
established pursuant to Bylaws of the Foundation; and be it further

RESOLVED, that the Apache Guacamole Project be and hereby is responsible
for the creation and maintenance of software related to providing
performant, browser-based remote access; and be it further

RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache Guacamole" be and
hereby is created, the person holding such office to serve at the
direction of the Board of Directors as the chair of the Apache Guacamole
Project, and to have primary responsibility for management of the
projects within the scope of responsibility of the Apache Guacamole
Project; and be it further

RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and hereby are
appointed to serve as the initial members of the Apache Guacamole
Project:

  * Carl Harris  
  * Daniel Gruno 
  * Frode Langelo
  * Greg Trasuk  
  * James Muehlner   
  * Jean-Baptiste Onofré 
  * Jim Jagielski
  * Mike Jumper  
  * Nick Couchman
  * Olivier Lamy 

NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Mike Jumper be appointed to
the office of Vice President, Apache Guacamole, to serve in accordance
with and subject to the direction of the Board of Directors and the
Bylaws of the Foundation until death, resignation, retirement, removal
or disqualification, or until a successor is appointed; and be it
further

RESOLVED, that the initial Apache Guacamole PMC be and hereby is tasked
with the creation of a set of bylaws intended to encourage open
development and increased participation in the Apache Guacamole Project;
and be it further

RESOLVED, that the Apache Guacamole Project be and hereby is tasked with
the migration and rationalization of the Apache Incubator Guacamole
podling; and be it further

RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache Incubator
Guacamole podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator PMC are hereafter
discharged.

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