Re:Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache Doris (Incubating) as TLP
[1] and [2] has been renamed. And [3] has been removed. The website[4] still has some issues waiting to be modified. I will keep touch with starrocks. [1] https://github.com/StarRocks/flink-connector-starrocks [2] https://github.com/StarRocks/spark-starrocks-connector [3] https://github.com/StarRocks/apache-orc [4] https://www.starrocks.com/ -- 此致！Best Regards 陈明雨 Mingyu Chen Email: chenmin...@apache.org At 2022-05-16 16:31:07, "Justin Mclean" wrote: >HI, > >There is also an issue with the naming and use of ASF trademark of this >product: >https://github.com/StarRocks/flink-connector-starrocks > >And this: >https://github.com/StarRocks/apache-orc > >And this: >https://github.com/StarRocks/spark-starrocks-connector > >Kind Regards, >Justin >- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re:Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache Doris (Incubating) as TLP
Hi, > The current StarRock website is still not following ASF trademark / branding > policy. I searched their website and found this is a link "trademarks"[1] at the bottom of every page. Does this meet the requirements? [1] https://www.starrocks.com/en-US/product/trademarks -- 此致！Best Regards 陈明雨 Mingyu Chen Email: chenmin...@apache.org 在 2022-05-16 15:25:20，"Justin Mclean" 写道： >Hi, > >Some are recent (in 2022) but I don’t know how or if the author(s) are related >to either project. Taking one at random [1] it was published on 15-5-2022 and >looks to me not following ASF trademark policy and potentially misleading >users, although It’s hard to say for certain as I can only read the translated >text. > >> First of all, I have to admit that when the name DorisDB was first used, >> starrocks and Doris team did not realize that the name violated Apache >> regulations. > >Having a similar name was bound to cause confusion with users. > >> But after learning about it, the Doris team pushed to complete the renaming >> operation, and nearly 9 months have passed since that operation. Since the >> name change in September 2021, the Doris team, including starrocks >> employees, has strictly followed the Apache trademark and branding guidelines > >The issue was brought up in April 2021. The current StarRock website is still >not following ASF trademark / branding policy. Please see [2] on why this >matters. > >Kind Regards, >Justin > >1. https://chowdera.com/2022/135/202205150625040654.html >2. https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/responsibility > > >- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re:Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache Doris (Incubating) as TLP
Hi Justin, 1. About articles of "Doris" in google search results The articles you mentioned in your last email have been contacted to the corresponding website for deletion. However, there are indeed some articles that are not well described and do not conform to ASF specifications. I looked at these articles in general, most of them are based on revisions of some historical articles, and are NOT actively spread by starrock or the Doris team. As far as I know, since the starrock team changed its name in September last year, it has not voluntarily published any articles with branding issues. But these articles are indeed the consequences of previous wrongdoing. Doris PPMC will also continue to promote the rectification or deletion of related articles. 2. About PMC list First of all, I have to admit that when the name DorisDB was first used, starrocks and Doris team did not realize that the name violated Apache regulations. But after learning about it, the Doris team pushed to complete the renaming operation, and nearly 9 months have passed since that operation. Since the name change in September 2021, the Doris team, including starrocks employees, has strictly followed the Apache trademark and branding guidelines (of course there are still some oversights and omissions, but this does not represent our motivation). So I think the current PMC list is reasonable and can help the Doris project continue to develop healthily.
Re:Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache Doris (Incubating) as TLP
Hi Justin, Sorry for the late reply. First of all, I would like to explain the issues about the Doris trademark. 1. Trademark and branding issues related to Starrocks Starrocks is a database product of a commercial company that used the name DorisDB in early 2021. After that, Doris PPMC received a notice that the name "DorisDB" was involved in trademark infringement, and began to negotiate with that commercial company. Eventually, the company officially renamed dorisdb to starrocks[1] in September 2021. At the same time, these domains[2] and codebase[3] are no longer in use. And, I mentioned the progress of this thing in the Doris podling report in November 2021[4], which said: > Are there any issues that the IPMC or ASF Board need to be aware of? > The main branding issue has been addressed(DorisDB renamed to StarRocks). So, we believe that the branding issue with the Doris has been resolved in September 2021. 2. Questions about the transfer of the Doris trademark The Doris trademark was originally held by Baidu, which started to transfer the trademark to ASF in January this year. At the beginning of April, Baidu inc signed the Assignment forms, PoAs and Assignment agreement sent by ASF and forwarded them to ASF's attorney in China[5]. But I don't know why Mark Thomas didn't know about the progress. We are inquiring with the asf attorney in China. 3. What is the relationship between the proposed PPMC and chair to the StarRocks project? In Doris' Resolution, there are 22 initial PMC members. We have asked every PPMC member in the private@doris if they are willing to join Doris PMC[6]. And by default, all PPMC members agree to join. Among the 22, 4 of them work for Starrocks, and I personally, as the PMC Chair, am not an employee of starrocks. 4. License issue This is indeed a problem, I have communicated with starrocks and will notify the progress as soon as possible. But as you said, it's not a graduation issues. [1] https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/3zHPnPbowIj_OpMIHAobGA [2] dorisdb.com [3] github.com/DorisDB [4] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INCUBATOR/November2021 [5] https://lists.apache.org/thread/dx8c2969171p9z2oz21tq3tfocjt5k9d [6] https://lists.apache.org/thread/3f5wnb2w8gp48dqh39wf17cw1jf9w6p7 -- 此致！Best Regards 陈明雨 Mingyu Chen Email: chenmin...@apache.org At 2022-05-15 10:42:17, "Justin Mclean" wrote: >Hi, > >In short: >- There are still some trademark and branding issues, including some that the >PPMC have been made aware of and have been outstanding for more than a year. >- Have the Doris trademark(s) been transferred to the ASF? AFAIK they have >not. [1][2] This issue has also been brought up wth the PPMC several times. >- What is the relationship between the proposed PPMC and chair to the >StarRocks project? >- StarRocks trademark and branding issues. >- StarRocks licensing issues. > >Kind Regards, >Justin > >1. https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/faq/#incubator >2. https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/list/ >- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re:Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache Doris (Incubating) as TLP
Hi Justin, I have already made some answers to your questions. I would like to know what specific problems we still need to solve? -- 此致！Best Regards 陈明雨 Mingyu Chen Email: chenmin...@apache.org 在 2022-05-15 08:32:58，"Justin Mclean" 写道： >Hi, > >Thanks for promptly fixing that branding issue. However, there are still a few >unanswered questions here, and until they are answered, I’m -1 on graduation >to TLP. Perhaps one of the podling mentors or PPMC members could answer? > >Kind Regards, >Justin >- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re:Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache Doris (Incubating) as TLP
> I would have some concerns if these PPMC members are on the proposed PMC > member list of Apache Doris. Is this the case? As far as I'm concerned, this is no problem. Confirmation of the initial PMC membership list is jointly decided by the PPMC members. We have solved some issues together (such as branding issues about DorisDB) in the past. So I believe we can work together to address other issues that may arise later. -- 此致！Best Regards 陈明雨 Mingyu Chen Email: chenmin...@apache.org 在 2022-05-14 06:32:41，"Justin Mclean" 写道： >Hi, > >> Could the ASF Foundation Legal Department have **more effective** support >> on trademark issues? > >I’m not sure that the project has involved trademarks to provide support. I >certainly found a few things that I was unaware of and that had not been >mentioned in the project reports. > >> As far as I know, few Doris PMCs have formed a new company and further >> developed their Starrocks (formerly DorisDB) product based on Doris' code. > >I would have some concerns if these PPMC members are on the proposed PMC >member list of Apache Doris. Is this the case? > >Kind Regards, >Justin >- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re:Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache Doris (Incubating) as TLP
> One other issue is trademark ownership, previously it been stated that Baidu > owns the Doris trademark in China. Have this trademark been transferred to > the ASF?Yes, It has been transferred. We have completed the communication > with Mark Thomas on the matter of trademark transfer, and have completed the > relevant paperwork. The follow-up transfer process is currently being > completed by a representative attorney. > It looks like some of the previous trademark/branding issues that have been > raised (around a year ago) still need to be resolved. What is the status with > this? These issues have been resolved. For [1], It has been renamed to Palo(Powered by Doris). And for [2], it has been renamed to CDW(For Doris) [1] https://cloud.baidu.com/product/palo.html [2] https://cloud.tencent.com/product/cdwdoris -- 此致！Best Regards 陈明雨 Mingyu Chen Email: chenmin...@apache.org At 2022-05-14 07:29:30, "Justin Mclean" wrote: >HI, > >One other issue is trademark ownership, previously it been stated that Baidu >owns the Doris trademark in China. Have this trademark been transferred to the >ASF? [1][2] > >Kind Regards, >Justin > >1. https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/faq/#incubator >2. https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/faq/#podlingxfer >- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re:Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache Doris (Incubating) as TLP
Hi Justin, Thanks for your check. 1. Looks like this repo has been deleted sometime today. So I think this is resolved. 2. I didn't find ASF branding issue on this site[2]. Could you help to point out? [1] https://github.com/DorisDB [2] https://www.starrocks.com/en-US/index -- 此致！Best Regards 陈明雨 Mingyu Chen Email: chenmin...@apache.org At 2022-05-13 16:11:29, "Justin Mclean" wrote: >Hi, > >I've brought up the StarRocks header license issue on the legal discuss >mailing list, to see what can be done about it. > >Kind Regards, >Justin >- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re:Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache Doris (Incubating) as TLP
Dear IPMC, Thanks for all the discussions and suggestions. At present, everyone's suggestions have been responded to and corrected. If there are no other suggestions or comments, I will launch a formal graduation vote in these two days. Thanks again! -- 此致！Best Regards 陈明雨 Mingyu Chen Email: chenmin...@apache.org 在 2022-04-20 19:03:42，"Ming Wen" 写道： >As Doris' mentor, I have seen Doris' efforts in protecting and solving >brand issues; during the incubation process, Doris released multiple Apache >releases and attracted many new committers. >I think Doris is ready to graduate, good luck:) > >Thanks, >Ming Wen, Apache APISIX PMC Chair >Twitter: _WenMing > > >Juan Pan 于2022年4月20日周三 14:47写道： > >> Hello, >> >> >> [1] shows me the efforts and commitments from Doris community. More PMCs, >> committers, contributors joined; More releases are available under the >> supervising and guiding of the committee. Hope it’s better and my support >> for this discussion. >> >> >> [1] https://incubator.apache.org/clutch/doris.html >> >> -- >> Trista Pan >> Twitter & Github: tristaZero >> >> >> >> >> On 04/10/2022 23:50，陈明雨 wrote： >> Dear Incubator Community, >> >> After a discussion[1][2] and vote[3] with the community, we believe Apache >> Doris (Incubating) is ready for graduation to a TLP, and we'd like to make >> a discussion with the IPMC. >> >> Doris is an MPP-based interactive SQL data warehousing for reporting and >> analysis and entering the incubator in Sep, 2018. >> >> The following is a brief overview of the progress of the Doris project and >> community since entering the incubator: >> >> 1. Community >> >> - 9 new PPMC members were added, from five different companies, bringing >> the total number of PPMC members to 22. >> >> - 20 new Committers were added (including the new PPMC members), bringing >> the total number of Committers to 33. >> >> - The number of Contributors is now 289 and growing[4]. >> >> - The dev@doris mailing list currently has 328 subscribers, and all major >> project discussions are happening in the dev@doris. >> >> 2. Project >> >> - 7 releases by 6 release managers. All compliance issues have been >> resolved. >> >> - Doris official website[5] is compliant with Apache Foundation >> requirements[6]. >> >> - Project maturity model is detailed in [7]. >> >> - We have also created a pre-graduation Check List[8] following the Apache >> official website guidelines and are currently moving forward. >> >> - See Doris Project Incubation Status[9] for more info >> >> >> >> >> [1] https://lists.apache.org/thread/90fd2pd3r6wgn4hnfdo3rd0wqkv23cgr >> >> [2] https://lists.apache.org/thread/xc5qj7m2k1ph0mc97otj0nf8vskdfrzv >> >> [3] https://lists.apache.org/thread/9yklv4vbp39jhrzbcx3qgpcs1osk3lyf >> >> [4] https://github.com/apache/incubator-doris >> >> [5] http://doris.incubator.apache.org/ >> >> [6] https://whimsy.apache.org/pods/project/doris >> >> [7] >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/DORIS/Maturity+Assessment+for+Doris >> >> [8] >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/DORIS/Graduation+Check+List >> >> [9] https://incubator.apache.org/projects/doris.html >> >> >> >> >> Please see the proposed board resolution below and let us know what you >> think. >> >> The discussion will remain open for at least 72 hours. >> >> >> - >> >> Establish the Apache Doris Project >> >> >> >> >> WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best interests of >> >> the Foundation and consistent with the Foundation's purpose to establish >> >> a Project Management Committee charged with the creation and maintenance >> >> of open-source software, for distribution at no charge to the public, >> >> related to a MPP-based interactive SQL data warehousing for reporting >> >> and analysis. >> >> >> >> >> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management Committee >> >> (PMC), to be known as the "Apache Doris Project", be and hereby is >> >> established pursuant to Bylaws of the Foundation; and be it further >> >> >> >> >> RESOLVED, that the Apache Doris Project be and hereby is responsible for >> >> the creation and maintenance of software related to a MPP-based >> >> interactive SQL data warehousing for reporting and analysis; and be it >> >> further >> >> >> >> >> RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache Doris" be and >> >> hereby is created, the person holding such office to serve at the >> >> direction of the Board of Directors as the chair of the Apache Doris >> >> Project, and to have primary responsibility for management of the >> >> projects within the scope of responsibility of the Apache Doris Project; >> >> and be it further >> >> >> >> >> RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and hereby are >> >> appointed to serve as the initial members of the Apache Doris Project: >> >> >> >> >> * Bin
Re:Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache Doris (Incubating) as TLP
Hi Sheng Wu, Thanks for you reply. Our mentor Willem has helped answer some questions, here I also answer from my perspective: > I just read your graduation discussion on a dev mail list and notice > there is only one mentor who confirmed his support. > And no mentor voted(from vote summary) for your graduation. > Could you check with your mentors? IPMC wants to hear from your mentors. Sorry I didn't realize that the graduation vote in the dev mailing group requires the support of a mentor, I will individually ping other mentors and invite them to assist with reviewing and suggestions. > Also, I can't find the discussion(maybe private?) about whether > committers should be considered a member of PMC? If you haven't, > please do a discussion about this too. Yes, we have had a discussion about commiter promotion mechanism[1] in private@doris, and also make it public here:[2] > From a code perspective, I remember this podling has some source codes > from Impala, the PMC of Impala showed their concerns, what is the > status now? Have the license been handled properly? We explained this in our discussion[3] on the dev@doris, and I'll re-explain it here: * Relationship with Apache Impala * Doris' current query engine is forked from Impala version v0.7 and has been updated with Impala in the early stages of the project (hands-on code merge). In the Doris Proposal[4], we expressed our desire to decouple the Doris storage engine from the query engine through a layer of abstract API. So that the query layer could fully follow Impala's evolution. However, as the project progressed, we found it difficult to achieve this goal, mainly for the following reasons. 1. Impala focus on providing query acceleration on the Hadoop ecosystem, while Doris focus on a standalone data warehouse or DBMS system. The difference of targets means that many features do not meet the needs of both projects. 2. Doris has completely refactored the metadata and has its own storage engine. This required a deep integration of the query layer with the metadata and the storage engine. We also made a lot of architectural changes for this. 3. Doris has now developed a new vectorized execution engine that rewrites most of the execution node in query layer, which is different from Impala. For these reasons, it is difficult for us to continue to follow the Impala community with code level iterations and integrations. Of course, all code references to Impala are fully compliant with the Apache License, and we explicitly declare the relationship between Doris and Impala in the NOTICE file[5] and the README file[6] and thank the Impala community for their help. [1] https://lists.apache.org/thread/l0w4xnzwsqvlphf57ksc4yq3o998s0cx [2] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=210078398 [3] https://lists.apache.org/thread/d5qxncy2tog63nq3n6y53f7sym3yl6k4 [4] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/incubator/DorisProposal [5] https://github.com/apache/incubator-doris/blob/master/NOTICE.txt [6] https://github.com/apache/incubator-doris/blob/master/README.md -- 此致！Best Regards 陈明雨 Mingyu Chen Email: chenmin...@apache.org At 2022-04-18 20:43:44, "Sheng Wu" wrote: >Hi Mingyu and Doris team > >Glad to see you are moving forward to the graduation. > >I just read your graduation discussion on a dev mail list and notice >there is only one mentor who confirmed his support. >And no mentor voted(from vote summary) for your graduation. >Could you check with your mentors? IPMC wants to hear from your mentors. > >Also, I can't find the discussion(maybe private?) about whether >committers should be considered a member of PMC? If you haven't, >please do a discussion about this too. > >From a code perspective, I remember this podling has some source codes >from Impala, the PMC of Impala showed their concerns, what is the >status now? Have the license been handled properly? > >Sheng Wu 吴晟 >Twitter, wusheng1108 > >li gang 于2022年4月18日周一 20:18写道： > >> >> Glad to see Doris is ready to graduate. >> Good luck. >> >> 陈明雨 于2022年4月10日周日 23:51写道： >> >> > Dear Incubator Community, >> > >> > After a discussion[1][2] and vote[3] with the community, we believe Apache >> > Doris (Incubating) is ready for graduation to a TLP, and we'd like to make >> > a discussion with the IPMC. >> > >> > Doris is an MPP-based interactive SQL data warehousing for reporting and >> > analysis and entering the incubator in Sep, 2018. >> > >> > The following is a brief overview of the progress of the Doris project and >> > community since entering the incubator: >> > >> > 1. Community >> > >> > - 9 new PPMC members were added, from five different companies, >> > bringing the total number of PPMC members to 22. >> > >> > - 20 new Committers were added (including the new PPMC members), >> > bringing the total number of Committers to 33. >> > >> > - The number of Contributors is now 289 and
