Re: Review mailing list membership?

[Ted Dunning]

On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 12:14 AM, Mark Thomas  wrote:

> On 18/04/18 01:47, Gian Merlino wrote:
> > Thanks Taylor!
> >
> > Do you know if this is something that the PPMCs are supposed to have
> access
> > to or should we be asking you for help if we want to check again?
>
> The best solution would be for other members of the community to
> volunteer to moderate the mailing lists. While it makes sense for
> mentors to do this initially, it is something that I'd expect to see
> transfer to others over time.
>


It is important to transfer this, but it is also super easy to forget it
because it is such a background task. Moderators aren't very visible and
moderation isn't much work.

Re: Review mailing list membership?

[Mark Thomas]

On 18/04/18 01:47, Gian Merlino wrote:
> Thanks Taylor!
> 
> Do you know if this is something that the PPMCs are supposed to have access
> to or should we be asking you for help if we want to check again?

The best solution would be for other members of the community to
volunteer to moderate the mailing lists. While it makes sense for
mentors to do this initially, it is something that I'd expect to see
transfer to others over time.

Mark


> 
> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 2:44 PM, P. Taylor Goetz  wrote:
> 
>> I sent the subscriber list for dev@druid and private@druid to
>> private@druid.
>>
>> -Taylor
>>
>>> On Apr 17, 2018, at 5:31 PM, P. Taylor Goetz  wrote:
>>>
>>> I can do it when I’m back at a computer. Basically you have to send the
>> ezlm email from an ASF machine. The easiest way is to ssh into minotaur.a.o
>> and use the mail command to send the email.
>>>
>>> Do you want just the subscription list for dev@ or private@ as well?
>>>
>>> -Taylor
>>>
 On Apr 17, 2018, at 5:18 PM, Julian Hyde  wrote:

 I’m one of your (druid codling’s) mentors and, yes, I moderate the
>> druid lists. I tried a week or so ago to list the members of druid’s lists
>> and struck out.

 In twenty minutes, I couldn’t find the solutions listed below:  whimsy
>> and dev-l...@druid.apache.org . (I
>> looked at https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/druid-dev/ <
>> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/druid-dev/> for instance, and
>> emailed dev-h...@druid.apache.org .)

 So either I’m stupid or the documentation needs improvement (or both).

> On Apr 17, 2018, at 11:13 AM, Gian Merlino  wrote:
>
> I didn't know it existed until now - thanks! I just tried it from my
>> apache
> email and got the response "fatal: Command allowed only to moderators
> (#5.7.1)". Maybe only our mentors are set up as moderators?
>
>> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 11:08 AM, Christopher 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Have you tried the tool at
>> https://whimsy.apache.org/committers/moderationhelper.cgi ?
>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 2:06 PM Gian Merlino 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi incubators,
>>>
>>> Is there a tool somewhere to review the membership of a mailing list?
>>>
>>> We (Druid) are working on migrating our mailing lists now. As I work
>> out
>>> the logistics of doing that I am finding that it would help to know
>> how
>>> many people from the old list have subscribed to the new one, as we
>> have
>>> been encouraging people to do for about a month. If the overlap is
>> good
>>> then we know we are clear to migrate without leaving too many people
>>> behind. If the overlap is poor then we know we need to do more
>> outreach
>> to
>>> get people to subscribe to the new list.
>>>
>>> Gian
>>>
>>

>>
>>
> 


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Re: Review mailing list membership?

[Gian Merlino]

Thanks Taylor!

Do you know if this is something that the PPMCs are supposed to have access
to or should we be asking you for help if we want to check again?

On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 2:44 PM, P. Taylor Goetz  wrote:

> I sent the subscriber list for dev@druid and private@druid to
> private@druid.
>
> -Taylor
>
> > On Apr 17, 2018, at 5:31 PM, P. Taylor Goetz  wrote:
> >
> > I can do it when I’m back at a computer. Basically you have to send the
> ezlm email from an ASF machine. The easiest way is to ssh into minotaur.a.o
> and use the mail command to send the email.
> >
> > Do you want just the subscription list for dev@ or private@ as well?
> >
> > -Taylor
> >
> >> On Apr 17, 2018, at 5:18 PM, Julian Hyde  wrote:
> >>
> >> I’m one of your (druid codling’s) mentors and, yes, I moderate the
> druid lists. I tried a week or so ago to list the members of druid’s lists
> and struck out.
> >>
> >> In twenty minutes, I couldn’t find the solutions listed below:  whimsy
> and dev-l...@druid.apache.org . (I
> looked at https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/druid-dev/ <
> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/druid-dev/> for instance, and
> emailed dev-h...@druid.apache.org .)
> >>
> >> So either I’m stupid or the documentation needs improvement (or both).
> >>
> >>> On Apr 17, 2018, at 11:13 AM, Gian Merlino  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I didn't know it existed until now - thanks! I just tried it from my
> apache
> >>> email and got the response "fatal: Command allowed only to moderators
> >>> (#5.7.1)". Maybe only our mentors are set up as moderators?
> >>>
>  On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 11:08 AM, Christopher 
> wrote:
> 
>  Have you tried the tool at
>  https://whimsy.apache.org/committers/moderationhelper.cgi ?
> 
> > On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 2:06 PM Gian Merlino 
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi incubators,
> >
> > Is there a tool somewhere to review the membership of a mailing list?
> >
> > We (Druid) are working on migrating our mailing lists now. As I work
> out
> > the logistics of doing that I am finding that it would help to know
> how
> > many people from the old list have subscribed to the new one, as we
> have
> > been encouraging people to do for about a month. If the overlap is
> good
> > then we know we are clear to migrate without leaving too many people
> > behind. If the overlap is poor then we know we need to do more
> outreach
>  to
> > get people to subscribe to the new list.
> >
> > Gian
> >
> 
> >>
>
>

Re: Review mailing list membership?

[John D. Ament]

You should be able to do it from the email address you're moderating from.
For instance, my @incubator moderation is using my gmail address for some
reason, so I can't use my @apache.org but I can use my @gmail.com address.

Not sure if this helps Julian.

John

On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 5:31 PM P. Taylor Goetz  wrote:

> I can do it when I’m back at a computer. Basically you have to send the
> ezlm email from an ASF machine. The easiest way is to ssh into minotaur.a.o
> and use the mail command to send the email.
>
> Do you want just the subscription list for dev@ or private@ as well?
>
> -Taylor
>
> > On Apr 17, 2018, at 5:18 PM, Julian Hyde  wrote:
> >
> > I’m one of your (druid codling’s) mentors and, yes, I moderate the druid
> lists. I tried a week or so ago to list the members of druid’s lists and
> struck out.
> >
> > In twenty minutes, I couldn’t find the solutions listed below:  whimsy
> and dev-l...@druid.apache.org . (I
> looked at https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/druid-dev/ <
> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/druid-dev/> for instance, and
> emailed dev-h...@druid.apache.org .)
> >
> > So either I’m stupid or the documentation needs improvement (or both).
> >
> >> On Apr 17, 2018, at 11:13 AM, Gian Merlino  wrote:
> >>
> >> I didn't know it existed until now - thanks! I just tried it from my
> apache
> >> email and got the response "fatal: Command allowed only to moderators
> >> (#5.7.1)". Maybe only our mentors are set up as moderators?
> >>
> >>> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 11:08 AM, Christopher 
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Have you tried the tool at
> >>> https://whimsy.apache.org/committers/moderationhelper.cgi ?
> >>>
>  On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 2:06 PM Gian Merlino  wrote:
> 
>  Hi incubators,
> 
>  Is there a tool somewhere to review the membership of a mailing list?
> 
>  We (Druid) are working on migrating our mailing lists now. As I work
> out
>  the logistics of doing that I am finding that it would help to know
> how
>  many people from the old list have subscribed to the new one, as we
> have
>  been encouraging people to do for about a month. If the overlap is
> good
>  then we know we are clear to migrate without leaving too many people
>  behind. If the overlap is poor then we know we need to do more
> outreach
> >>> to
>  get people to subscribe to the new list.
> 
>  Gian
> 
> >>>
> >
>
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Re: Review mailing list membership?

[P. Taylor Goetz]

I sent the subscriber list for dev@druid and private@druid to private@druid.

-Taylor

> On Apr 17, 2018, at 5:31 PM, P. Taylor Goetz  wrote:
> 
> I can do it when I’m back at a computer. Basically you have to send the ezlm 
> email from an ASF machine. The easiest way is to ssh into minotaur.a.o and 
> use the mail command to send the email.
> 
> Do you want just the subscription list for dev@ or private@ as well?
> 
> -Taylor
> 
>> On Apr 17, 2018, at 5:18 PM, Julian Hyde  wrote:
>> 
>> I’m one of your (druid codling’s) mentors and, yes, I moderate the druid 
>> lists. I tried a week or so ago to list the members of druid’s lists and 
>> struck out.
>> 
>> In twenty minutes, I couldn’t find the solutions listed below:  whimsy and 
>> dev-l...@druid.apache.org . (I looked at 
>> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/druid-dev/ 
>>  for instance, and 
>> emailed dev-h...@druid.apache.org .)
>> 
>> So either I’m stupid or the documentation needs improvement (or both).
>> 
>>> On Apr 17, 2018, at 11:13 AM, Gian Merlino  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I didn't know it existed until now - thanks! I just tried it from my apache
>>> email and got the response "fatal: Command allowed only to moderators
>>> (#5.7.1)". Maybe only our mentors are set up as moderators?
>>> 
 On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 11:08 AM, Christopher  wrote:
 
 Have you tried the tool at
 https://whimsy.apache.org/committers/moderationhelper.cgi ?
 
> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 2:06 PM Gian Merlino  wrote:
> 
> Hi incubators,
> 
> Is there a tool somewhere to review the membership of a mailing list?
> 
> We (Druid) are working on migrating our mailing lists now. As I work out
> the logistics of doing that I am finding that it would help to know how
> many people from the old list have subscribed to the new one, as we have
> been encouraging people to do for about a month. If the overlap is good
> then we know we are clear to migrate without leaving too many people
> behind. If the overlap is poor then we know we need to do more outreach
 to
> get people to subscribe to the new list.
> 
> Gian
> 
 
>> 



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Re: Review mailing list membership?

[P. Taylor Goetz]

I can do it when I’m back at a computer. Basically you have to send the ezlm 
email from an ASF machine. The easiest way is to ssh into minotaur.a.o and use 
the mail command to send the email.

Do you want just the subscription list for dev@ or private@ as well?

-Taylor

> On Apr 17, 2018, at 5:18 PM, Julian Hyde  wrote:
> 
> I’m one of your (druid codling’s) mentors and, yes, I moderate the druid 
> lists. I tried a week or so ago to list the members of druid’s lists and 
> struck out.
> 
> In twenty minutes, I couldn’t find the solutions listed below:  whimsy and 
> dev-l...@druid.apache.org . (I looked at 
> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/druid-dev/ 
>  for instance, and 
> emailed dev-h...@druid.apache.org .)
> 
> So either I’m stupid or the documentation needs improvement (or both).
> 
>> On Apr 17, 2018, at 11:13 AM, Gian Merlino  wrote:
>> 
>> I didn't know it existed until now - thanks! I just tried it from my apache
>> email and got the response "fatal: Command allowed only to moderators
>> (#5.7.1)". Maybe only our mentors are set up as moderators?
>> 
>>> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 11:08 AM, Christopher  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Have you tried the tool at
>>> https://whimsy.apache.org/committers/moderationhelper.cgi ?
>>> 
 On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 2:06 PM Gian Merlino  wrote:
 
 Hi incubators,
 
 Is there a tool somewhere to review the membership of a mailing list?
 
 We (Druid) are working on migrating our mailing lists now. As I work out
 the logistics of doing that I am finding that it would help to know how
 many people from the old list have subscribed to the new one, as we have
 been encouraging people to do for about a month. If the overlap is good
 then we know we are clear to migrate without leaving too many people
 behind. If the overlap is poor then we know we need to do more outreach
>>> to
 get people to subscribe to the new list.
 
 Gian
 
>>> 
> 

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Re: Review mailing list membership?

[Julian Hyde]

I’m one of your (druid codling’s) mentors and, yes, I moderate the druid lists. 
I tried a week or so ago to list the members of druid’s lists and struck out.

In twenty minutes, I couldn’t find the solutions listed below:  whimsy and 
dev-l...@druid.apache.org . (I looked at 
https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/druid-dev/ 
 for instance, and 
emailed dev-h...@druid.apache.org .)

So either I’m stupid or the documentation needs improvement (or both).

> On Apr 17, 2018, at 11:13 AM, Gian Merlino  wrote:
> 
> I didn't know it existed until now - thanks! I just tried it from my apache
> email and got the response "fatal: Command allowed only to moderators
> (#5.7.1)". Maybe only our mentors are set up as moderators?
> 
> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 11:08 AM, Christopher  wrote:
> 
>> Have you tried the tool at
>> https://whimsy.apache.org/committers/moderationhelper.cgi ?
>> 
>> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 2:06 PM Gian Merlino  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi incubators,
>>> 
>>> Is there a tool somewhere to review the membership of a mailing list?
>>> 
>>> We (Druid) are working on migrating our mailing lists now. As I work out
>>> the logistics of doing that I am finding that it would help to know how
>>> many people from the old list have subscribed to the new one, as we have
>>> been encouraging people to do for about a month. If the overlap is good
>>> then we know we are clear to migrate without leaving too many people
>>> behind. If the overlap is poor then we know we need to do more outreach
>> to
>>> get people to subscribe to the new list.
>>> 
>>> Gian
>>> 
>> 

Re: Review mailing list membership?

[Gian Merlino]

I didn't know it existed until now - thanks! I just tried it from my apache
email and got the response "fatal: Command allowed only to moderators
(#5.7.1)". Maybe only our mentors are set up as moderators?

On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 11:08 AM, Christopher  wrote:

> Have you tried the tool at
> https://whimsy.apache.org/committers/moderationhelper.cgi ?
>
> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 2:06 PM Gian Merlino  wrote:
>
> > Hi incubators,
> >
> > Is there a tool somewhere to review the membership of a mailing list?
> >
> > We (Druid) are working on migrating our mailing lists now. As I work out
> > the logistics of doing that I am finding that it would help to know how
> > many people from the old list have subscribed to the new one, as we have
> > been encouraging people to do for about a month. If the overlap is good
> > then we know we are clear to migrate without leaving too many people
> > behind. If the overlap is poor then we know we need to do more outreach
> to
> > get people to subscribe to the new list.
> >
> > Gian
> >
>

Re: Review mailing list membership?

[Dave Fisher]

Also moderators can do it via email.

https://www.apache.org/dev/committers.html#list-subscribers 



> On Apr 17, 2018, at 11:08 AM, Christopher  wrote:
> 
> Have you tried the tool at
> https://whimsy.apache.org/committers/moderationhelper.cgi ?
> 
> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 2:06 PM Gian Merlino  wrote:
> 
>> Hi incubators,
>> 
>> Is there a tool somewhere to review the membership of a mailing list?
>> 
>> We (Druid) are working on migrating our mailing lists now. As I work out
>> the logistics of doing that I am finding that it would help to know how
>> many people from the old list have subscribed to the new one, as we have
>> been encouraging people to do for about a month. If the overlap is good
>> then we know we are clear to migrate without leaving too many people
>> behind. If the overlap is poor then we know we need to do more outreach to
>> get people to subscribe to the new list.
>> 
>> Gian
>> 



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Re: Review mailing list membership?

[Christopher]

Have you tried the tool at
https://whimsy.apache.org/committers/moderationhelper.cgi ?

On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 2:06 PM Gian Merlino  wrote:

> Hi incubators,
>
> Is there a tool somewhere to review the membership of a mailing list?
>
> We (Druid) are working on migrating our mailing lists now. As I work out
> the logistics of doing that I am finding that it would help to know how
> many people from the old list have subscribed to the new one, as we have
> been encouraging people to do for about a month. If the overlap is good
> then we know we are clear to migrate without leaving too many people
> behind. If the overlap is poor then we know we need to do more outreach to
> get people to subscribe to the new list.
>
> Gian
>

Review mailing list membership?

[Gian Merlino]

Hi incubators,

Is there a tool somewhere to review the membership of a mailing list?

We (Druid) are working on migrating our mailing lists now. As I work out
the logistics of doing that I am finding that it would help to know how
many people from the old list have subscribed to the new one, as we have
been encouraging people to do for about a month. If the overlap is good
then we know we are clear to migrate without leaving too many people
behind. If the overlap is poor then we know we need to do more outreach to
get people to subscribe to the new list.

Gian