Re: Zeta proposal - Next steps
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Bertrand, hi all, On 05/08/2010 05:45 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: On Sat, May 8, 2010 at 1:32 PM, Gav... ga...@16degrees.com.au wrote: ...I've shown my support for Christian, we just need to wait for the Incubator PMC chair to approve or not, and he is on his holidays currently I believe IMO the decision is made by a vote of the Incubator PMC members, it's not just the chair's decision. I just started the vote on the incubator private, it's open for 72 hours at least so we should have an answer for Christian by Wednesday morning. As Julien is an ASF member, his Incubator PMC membership is just a formality - Noel as the PMC chair must forward the request to the board when he's back, which should be later this weekend. So I guess we should be ready to vote on the Zeta proposal by Wednesday. In the meantime, Zeta committers who don't have an iCLA on file [1] should send it, that will save time if/when the project is accepted. I don't think there's more that can be done at this point to save time. are there any news regarding the acceptance of our mentors? Thanks, Toby - -- Tobias Schlitt tob...@schlitt.info GPG Key: 0xC462BC14 a passion for php http://schlitt.info/opensource eZ Components are Zeta Components now! http://bit.ly/9S7zbn -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkvw3wIACgkQ5bO3TcRivBTofACfenywSimxxR05jymQa5n/nygQ swIAoKGWovGB5ZefIGayY9QNocxhFLS9 =eYVZ -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: Zeta proposal - Next steps
Hello, So I guess we should be ready to vote on the Zeta proposal by Wednesday. In the meantime, Zeta committers who don't have an iCLA on file [1] should send it, that will save time if/when the project is accepted. I don't think there's more that can be done at this point to save time. are there any news regarding the acceptance of our mentors? no news from my side. But I think Zeta should not wait but proceed. A mentor can step up after the vote has passed. And if not as a mentor, I will help as a contributor :-) In my opinion, go ahead with the vote for acceptance Cheers Christian - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: Zeta proposal - Next steps
Hi, On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 8:15 AM, Tobias Schlitt tob...@schlitt.info wrote: On 05/08/2010 05:45 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: ...I guess we should be ready to vote on the Zeta proposal by Wednesday. In the meantime, Zeta committers who don't have an iCLA on file [1] should send it, that will save time if/when the project is accepted. I don't think there's more that can be done at this point to save time. are there any news regarding the acceptance of our mentors?... This took a bit more time than expected, and I forgot the required delay once the board acknowledges a new Incubator PMC member [1] - taking this into account we'll have a final answer tomorrow at 4PM. So as not to keep you waiting longer, I think you can go ahead with the vote, and mention pending Incubator PMC membership confirmation for Julien and Christian as mentors. -Bertrand [1] http://incubator.apache.org/guides/chair.html - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: Zeta proposal - Next steps
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Bertrand, On 05/17/2010 11:30 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 8:15 AM, Tobias Schlitt tob...@schlitt.info wrote: On 05/08/2010 05:45 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: ...I guess we should be ready to vote on the Zeta proposal by Wednesday. In the meantime, Zeta committers who don't have an iCLA on file [1] should send it, that will save time if/when the project is accepted. I don't think there's more that can be done at this point to save time. are there any news regarding the acceptance of our mentors?... This took a bit more time than expected, and I forgot the required delay once the board acknowledges a new Incubator PMC member [1] - taking this into account we'll have a final answer tomorrow at 4PM. So as not to keep you waiting longer, I think you can go ahead with the vote, and mention pending Incubator PMC membership confirmation for Julien and Christian as mentors. Cool, looking forward to it. Is the a document defining how a call for votes should look like, except for the subject prefix [VOTE]? Thanks, Toby - -- Tobias Schlitt tob...@schlitt.info GPG Key: 0xC462BC14 a passion for php http://schlitt.info/opensource eZ Components are Zeta Components now! http://bit.ly/9S7zbn -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkvxDmoACgkQ5bO3TcRivBSkCwCdExf3mBg8Rf5d7DceHkevmqje Rx8AniLiA2u7XSUbw+6sy5i3N1zkHjka =kzaC -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: Zeta proposal - Next steps
On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 11:37 AM, Tobias Schlitt tob...@schlitt.info wrote: ...Is the a document defining how a call for votes should look like, except for the subject prefix [VOTE]?... I don't think so, but you can look at previous votes like the Clerezza podling vote at http://markmail.org/message/52dvkokfky4vaeyz Please include a copy of the proposal in the vote message. -Bertrand - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: Zeta proposal - Next steps
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi all, On 05/08/2010 05:45 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: On Sat, May 8, 2010 at 1:32 PM, Gav... ga...@16degrees.com.au wrote: ...I've shown my support for Christian, we just need to wait for the Incubator PMC chair to approve or not, and he is on his holidays currently I believe IMO the decision is made by a vote of the Incubator PMC members, it's not just the chair's decision. I just started the vote on the incubator private, it's open for 72 hours at least so we should have an answer for Christian by Wednesday morning. As Julien is an ASF member, his Incubator PMC membership is just a formality - Noel as the PMC chair must forward the request to the board when he's back, which should be later this weekend. So I guess we should be ready to vote on the Zeta proposal by Wednesday. In the meantime, Zeta committers who don't have an iCLA on file [1] should send it, that will save time if/when the project is accepted. I don't think there's more that can be done at this point to save time. are there any news in this direction? Regards, Toby - -- Tobias Schlitt tob...@schlitt.info GPG Key: 0xC462BC14 a passion for php http://schlitt.info/opensource eZ Components are Zeta Components now! http://bit.ly/9S7zbn -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkvs8jYACgkQ5bO3TcRivBQ+FwCZARoSfT25s0qROHWwqpQB0Wi1 kNgAn2scWQ+QRHXzTnsJ27sT4Xno2SYh =+zoJ -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: Zeta proposal - Next steps
Apache is an organization that runs on email, which is slower than Skype/IRC/telephone but far more effective in widespread asynchronous communication. The incubator PMC is just like other PMCs. There is a very well documented process for adding members which is being followed. Please have a bit more patience... Craig On May 8, 2010, at 4:32 AM, Gav... wrote: -Original Message- From: Julien Vermillard [mailto:jvermill...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, 8 May 2010 8:53 PM To: general@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: Zeta proposal - Next steps On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 6:57 PM, Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry according to http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/ Incubation_Policy.html#Mentor he should be in the Incubator PMC. ah, sorry, I misread this paragraph. I thought only 1 mentor must be a member of the IPMC. Christian is not an ASF member, but applied also for becoming an IPMC member. I have no feedback so far from the IPMC. If this doesn't change I cannot help on mentoring - but I will enjoy helping on the mailing list and such. Looks like there is a lot of latency from the IPMC. Julien Just a little while longer I'm sure. I've shown my support for Christian, we just need to wait for the Incubator PMC chair to approve or not, and he is on his holidays currently I believe. Gav... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org Craig L Russell Architect, Oracle http://db.apache.org/jdo 408 276-5638 mailto:craig.russ...@oracle.com P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp! - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: Zeta proposal - Next steps
On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 6:57 PM, Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry according to http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Incubation_Policy.html#Mentor he should be in the Incubator PMC. ah, sorry, I misread this paragraph. I thought only 1 mentor must be a member of the IPMC. Christian is not an ASF member, but applied also for becoming an IPMC member. I have no feedback so far from the IPMC. If this doesn't change I cannot help on mentoring - but I will enjoy helping on the mailing list and such. Looks like there is a lot of latency from the IPMC. Julien - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
RE: Zeta proposal - Next steps
-Original Message- From: Julien Vermillard [mailto:jvermill...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, 8 May 2010 8:53 PM To: general@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: Zeta proposal - Next steps On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 6:57 PM, Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry according to http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Incubation_Policy.html#Mentor he should be in the Incubator PMC. ah, sorry, I misread this paragraph. I thought only 1 mentor must be a member of the IPMC. Christian is not an ASF member, but applied also for becoming an IPMC member. I have no feedback so far from the IPMC. If this doesn't change I cannot help on mentoring - but I will enjoy helping on the mailing list and such. Looks like there is a lot of latency from the IPMC. Julien Just a little while longer I'm sure. I've shown my support for Christian, we just need to wait for the Incubator PMC chair to approve or not, and he is on his holidays currently I believe. Gav... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: Zeta proposal - Next steps
On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 10:35 PM, Tobias Schlitt tob...@schlitt.info wrote: we gathered 3 mentors by our call for mentors here on the list and private contact to Apache members. These are: - - Christian Grobmeier (not ASF member) - - Julien Vermillard (ASF member) - - Craig L Russell (ASF member) Is there a need for more mentors (e.g. a specially experienced one)? I am confident that this group is capable to handle the mentoring, and I wouldn't be surprised to see Christian be more than your average mentor and more actively involved in the project. If the will and energy are there from the external group, I am sure this can be highly successful. Cheers -- Niclas Hedhman, Software Developer http://www.qi4j.org - New Energy for Java I live here; http://tinyurl.com/2qq9er I work here; http://tinyurl.com/2ymelc I relax here; http://tinyurl.com/2cgsug - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: Zeta proposal - Next steps
On Sat, May 8, 2010 at 1:32 PM, Gav... ga...@16degrees.com.au wrote: ...I've shown my support for Christian, we just need to wait for the Incubator PMC chair to approve or not, and he is on his holidays currently I believe IMO the decision is made by a vote of the Incubator PMC members, it's not just the chair's decision. I just started the vote on the incubator private, it's open for 72 hours at least so we should have an answer for Christian by Wednesday morning. As Julien is an ASF member, his Incubator PMC membership is just a formality - Noel as the PMC chair must forward the request to the board when he's back, which should be later this weekend. So I guess we should be ready to vote on the Zeta proposal by Wednesday. In the meantime, Zeta committers who don't have an iCLA on file [1] should send it, that will save time if/when the project is accepted. I don't think there's more that can be done at this point to save time. -Bertrand [1] http://www.apache.org/licenses/icla.txt - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Zeta proposal - Next steps
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, we gathered 3 mentors by our call for mentors here on the list and private contact to Apache members. These are: - - Christian Grobmeier (not ASF member) - - Julien Vermillard (ASF member) - - Craig L Russell (ASF member) Is there a need for more mentors (e.g. a specially experienced one)? If not, what would be the next step? Is it calling for votes here on the list? If yes, who is in charge of this, one of the project members or a mentor? Thanks in advance for your support, regards, Toby - -- Tobias Schlitt tob...@schlitt.info GPG Key: 0xC462BC14 a passion for php http://schlitt.info/opensource eZ Components are Zeta Components now! http://bit.ly/9S7zbn -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkvkJT0ACgkQ5bO3TcRivBTnaACgrUBQHVMHD6ZUNWkGYY/dk4bZ Y24AoKxerLobJH9ZLllsZ22ZvWOMkAuX =0BVF -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: Zeta proposal - Next steps
On 05/07/2010 04:35 PM, Tobias Schlitt wrote: Hi, we gathered 3 mentors by our call for mentors here on the list and private contact to Apache members. These are: - Christian Grobmeier (not ASF member) Sorry according to http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Incubation_Policy.html#Mentor he should be in the Incubator PMC. Cheers Jean-Frederic - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: Zeta proposal - Next steps
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Jean-Frederic, On 05/07/2010 05:05 PM, jean-frederic clere wrote: On 05/07/2010 04:35 PM, Tobias Schlitt wrote: we gathered 3 mentors by our call for mentors here on the list and private contact to Apache members. These are: Sorry according to http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Incubation_Policy.html#Mentor he should be in the Incubator PMC. ah, sorry, I misread this paragraph. I thought only 1 mentor must be a member of the IPMC. Craig is already member of the IPMC and he is mentoring several projects, so he is the wise guy in our mentor team. Julien applied for becoming a member of the IPMC, so we'll need to wait for this to happen. He is also an ASF member. Christian is not an ASF member, but applied also for becoming an IPMC member. So, we need to wait and see now, how the applications of them proceed. Is there anything, we as the proposing project, can do in the meantime? Anything else to prepare? Thanks for your advice, regards, Toby - -- Tobias Schlitt tob...@schlitt.info GPG Key: 0xC462BC14 a passion for php http://schlitt.info/opensource eZ Components are Zeta Components now! http://bit.ly/9S7zbn -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkvkQVUACgkQ5bO3TcRivBTZqgCgrWUhy6Nz+AC6Yd6DAURFegnd WrwAn3YCmDRx5zK1QbVFo/8WEuzu94Vz =sGCu -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: Zeta proposal - Next steps
Sorry according to http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Incubation_Policy.html#Mentor he should be in the Incubator PMC. ah, sorry, I misread this paragraph. I thought only 1 mentor must be a member of the IPMC. Christian is not an ASF member, but applied also for becoming an IPMC member. I have no feedback so far from the IPMC. If this doesn't change I cannot help on mentoring - but I will enjoy helping on the mailing list and such. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
