Re: public perceptions
Noel J. Bergman wrote: David N. Welton wrote: No I didn't - the comment below was Raphael Luta's - probably evident because of the double layer of quoting, but still... I would agree with this if there was no immediate percieved benefit when you are in Incubator, unfortunately it seems projects under incubation are still perceived by the larger community as endorsed by Apache. Actually, we've had quite a few comments from the public and incubator projects that dispute that view, especially in light of the disclaimers required to be conspicuously posted. Let's not conflate the issues with the Apache != Apache Web Server discussion. They're both, to some degree, issues of looking at Apache from 10 kilometers in the sky, or looking at it very infrequently. Which describes most people pretty well because they are busy with their own work, lives, projects, etc. Those who are close enough to comment know about the project well enough to distinguish between different subgroups. They're observing from a lot closer. It's probable that the second group are the ones that matter, and if they can see a difference, then there isn't really a problem. It's just something to keep in mind. -- David N. Welton - http://www.dedasys.com/davidw/ Linux, Open Source Consulting - http://www.dedasys.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: public perceptions
I absolutely agree that if a project is housed at projectX.apache.org, people will automatically associate projectX as an apache project, with the full rights, privileges, and standing of all other apache projects, from a marketing/branding perspective. On Tue, 24 Jan 2006, David N. Welton wrote: [ changed subject to discuss topic more abstractly ] I would agree with this if there was no immediate percieved benefit when you are in Incubator, unfortunately it seems projects under incubation are still perceived by the larger community as endorsed by Apache. I think that the further away from something you get, the more vague your perceptions are. For instance, there are a lot of people who still think that Apache == The Web Server. When seen from afar, I'd tend to agree that a move to something.apache.org is going to be noticed by most people who are not looking carefully as project now associated with apache.org. This is a theory of mine that seems to be born out by talking with people, but it's not really an exact science. What say the marketing folks? -- David N. Welton - http://www.dedasys.com/davidw/ Linux, Open Source Consulting - http://www.dedasys.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
public perceptions
[ changed subject to discuss topic more abstractly ] I would agree with this if there was no immediate percieved benefit when you are in Incubator, unfortunately it seems projects under incubation are still perceived by the larger community as endorsed by Apache. I think that the further away from something you get, the more vague your perceptions are. For instance, there are a lot of people who still think that Apache == The Web Server. When seen from afar, I'd tend to agree that a move to something.apache.org is going to be noticed by most people who are not looking carefully as project now associated with apache.org. This is a theory of mine that seems to be born out by talking with people, but it's not really an exact science. What say the marketing folks? -- David N. Welton - http://www.dedasys.com/davidw/ Linux, Open Source Consulting - http://www.dedasys.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: public perceptions
David N. Welton wrote: [ changed subject to discuss topic more abstractly ] I would agree with this if there was no immediate percieved benefit when you are in Incubator, unfortunately it seems projects under incubation are still perceived by the larger community as endorsed by Apache. I think that the further away from something you get, the more vague your perceptions are. For instance, there are a lot of people who still think that Apache == The Web Server. Well, i am not a marketing person, but i know that you are onto something important there. A while ago i started helping to tidy up the top-level apache.org documentation (i.e. / and /foundation/ and /dev/). I became alarmed at how much documentation was still talking in terms of Apache, the webserver where really it should now mean The ASF. Obviously not updated for a long time. Some of this has been addressed by referring to Apache HTTP Server instead. However there are plenty of extant misleading statements. -David When seen from afar, I'd tend to agree that a move to something.apache.org is going to be noticed by most people who are not looking carefully as project now associated with apache.org. This is a theory of mine that seems to be born out by talking with people, but it's not really an exact science. What say the marketing folks? -- David N. Welton - http://www.dedasys.com/davidw/ Linux, Open Source Consulting - http://www.dedasys.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: public perceptions
David N. Welton wrote: I would agree with this if there was no immediate percieved benefit when you are in Incubator, unfortunately it seems projects under incubation are still perceived by the larger community as endorsed by Apache. Actually, we've had quite a few comments from the public and incubator projects that dispute that view, especially in light of the disclaimers required to be conspicuously posted. Let's not conflate the issues with the Apache != Apache Web Server discussion. --- Noel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
