Re: Fw: Subscribing a new Project into Jakarta

2005-10-12 Thread robert burrell donkin
On Tue, 2005-10-11 at 14:36 -0300, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Hello, my name is João, i'm a Brazillian Java developer. 

hi João

 In this email i will describe the general proposal for my project, the
 JFTP4I (Java FTP for Integration). My intentions are basically to put
 my project inside the Jakarta/Apache umbrella. 

the way these things are done now is through the incubator
http://incubator.apache.org/. please take some time to read the
documentation on the site. 

i don't want to dampen your enthusiasm but i'd like to offer a realistic
assessment of some of the obstacles you may find upon your way...

jakarta's been self consciously shrinking over the last few years (it's
just too big and too complex) with a lot of old sub-projects graduating
to lop level status. it's more difficult now to persuade people that new
sub-projects should be accepted. (of course, this doesn't mean that
JFTP4I couldn't aim for top level or for a sub-project of another
project)

there's quite a deal of ceremony associated with incubation now: it
requires time, dedication and effort to succeed (up and beyond creating
a successful open source project). the aim of incubation is to try to
help the new project to learn apache ways and adopt systems which we
believe lead to healthy long term projects but the process is still
evolution and there are some rough edges left still...

 For that i give you a detailed description of my project. 
 
 Project Description:  
 
 The JFTP4I is a new idea for the concept of using FTP for integration
 purposes. Here in Brasil (and i think very much in the rest of the
 world), all the legacy systems are basically using FTP as a way of
 integrating different platforms running under TCP/IP.

i wouldn't have thought associated dynamic applications with ftp but now
you pointed it out, it can see why a project like this makes sense :)  

snip

 The project has already started (exists), and is hosted in the
 sourceforge.net. I have 3 friends helping me develop the solution. The
 FTP engine, trace, and Log are already done, and we are now working in
 the transaction and delegation parts for the requests. You can found a
 alpha version to be download in the following link:
 http://sourceforge.net/projects/jftp4i 
 Obs.: I don´t now if you guys can actually download the code, but if
 this is important, and you could not download the source, please
 contact me and i will be glad to send to you. 
 PS.: This is not another FTP Server, this is actually a framework that
 uses a FTP engine to dinamically generate content. 

BTW http://producingoss.com/ is a good read for people starting open
source projects...

all the best and good luck with jftp4i

- robert


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Re: Fw: Subscribing a new Project into Jakarta

2005-10-12 Thread Henri Yandell



On Wed, 12 Oct 2005, robert burrell donkin wrote:


jakarta's been self consciously shrinking over the last few years (it's
just too big and too complex) with a lot of old sub-projects graduating
to lop level status. it's more difficult now to persuade people that new
sub-projects should be accepted. (of course, this doesn't mean that
JFTP4I couldn't aim for top level or for a sub-project of another
project)


Effectively it's turning into a component container, a larger variant of 
Commons. All of our server-like parts have moved to top level, and it 
sounds like JFTP4I would (despite not being just an FTP server) still be 
very much a server-like project. So definitely a TLP example.


Hen


(Slide is on its way to TLP, the last real server-like subproject)
(Yep, there are frameworks still here too, Tapestry/Turbine, though other 
frameworks have moved up)


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