Re: (PHP interperated via Java) [Fwd: RE: [JBoss-dev] PHP]
On Fri, 10 Jan 2003, Jon Scott Stevens wrote:
on 2003/1/10 5:06 AM, Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I thought this might be interesting to some folks... They're porting
PHP to Java...
Yea, it is called JSP w/ scriptlets.
JSP2.0 w/ JSTL. Full of ${blah} variables to make the PHP fan happy.
This is a stupid idea.
Agreed. I don't know of anything that PHP has to offer to a JVM. PHP-OO is
a copy of Java's style generally, much of the ease of PHP is doable with
latest JSPs now, PHPs painful admin model is thankfully easier in Java,
and PHPs multitude of db-dependent [PEAR not being dominant] functions are
thankfully not in existence in Java.
The only thing PHP has over Java is the ease with which it fits in an
Apache server. It'd be much nicer to keep improving on [Sam's I think] the
PHP-Java link and defining a subset of PHP so that apache users can use
Java without having to link to another application.
Hen
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Re: (PHP interperated via Java) [Fwd: RE: [JBoss-dev] PHP]
Henri Gomez wrote: Andrew C. Oliver wrote: I thought this might be interesting to some folks... They're porting PHP to Java... -Andy Original Message Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] PHP Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 19:13:23 -0500 From: marc fleury [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yeah that was my first impulse, to have a PHP interpreter in JBoss so that we could leverage all the PHP thingies out there. clearly the problem with PHP is that the guys who do the front end modules and app DONT KNOW THE FIRST THING ABOUT COMPONENTS and the benefits it brings in caching (see whole argument on EJB in BLUE). Putting EJB behind the whole mess would be great. PHP can talk java but it is out of process so that you go back to serialization and LOSE the benefit of caching. Period. So clearly having the PHP code interpreted in java would be great as you access the db data in cache. The problem is that the libraries used need to be ported too and that becomes a pain. I am really serious with the porting as Julien will be payed for this. That's excellent for site which have allready tons of PHP code and need to switch slowly from PHP to JSP/Servlets. Also for sites having PHP on some boxes but didn't have PHP binaries on the target machine (ie iSeries) Very late, but... I think the right approach would be to change the PHP templates to ensure that they produce proper XML (be it XHTML or whatever language suits you) and the use it in a Cocoon Reader, or XSLT-it, or whatever, from as far away from the original box as you can stay. If the original apps are cleanly written (i.e. with themes, etc.) it should be simple Instead of importing PHP nightmares into java, you would have to deal with (more or less) clean data interfaces. Don't ever allow anybody to lead you to think that fixing legacy apps is your problem ;-) This meta-knowledge has worked a lot for me. It you absolutely must, just multiply your wages times 10 and pray ;-) Regards, Santiago -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (PHP interperated via Java) [Fwd: RE: [JBoss-dev] PHP]
Andrew C. Oliver wrote: I thought this might be interesting to some folks... They're porting PHP to Java... -Andy Original Message Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] PHP Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 19:13:23 -0500 From: marc fleury [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yeah that was my first impulse, to have a PHP interpreter in JBoss so that we could leverage all the PHP thingies out there. clearly the problem with PHP is that the guys who do the front end modules and app DONT KNOW THE FIRST THING ABOUT COMPONENTS and the benefits it brings in caching (see whole argument on EJB in BLUE). Putting EJB behind the whole mess would be great. PHP can talk java but it is out of process so that you go back to serialization and LOSE the benefit of caching. Period. So clearly having the PHP code interpreted in java would be great as you access the db data in cache. The problem is that the libraries used need to be ported too and that becomes a pain. I am really serious with the porting as Julien will be payed for this. That's excellent for site which have allready tons of PHP code and need to switch slowly from PHP to JSP/Servlets. Also for sites having PHP on some boxes but didn't have PHP binaries on the target machine (ie iSeries) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(PHP interperated via Java) [Fwd: RE: [JBoss-dev] PHP]
I thought this might be interesting to some folks... They're porting PHP to Java... -Andy Original Message Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] PHP Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 19:13:23 -0500 From: marc fleury [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yeah that was my first impulse, to have a PHP interpreter in JBoss so that we could leverage all the PHP thingies out there. clearly the problem with PHP is that the guys who do the front end modules and app DONT KNOW THE FIRST THING ABOUT COMPONENTS and the benefits it brings in caching (see whole argument on EJB in BLUE). Putting EJB behind the whole mess would be great. PHP can talk java but it is out of process so that you go back to serialization and LOSE the benefit of caching. Period. So clearly having the PHP code interpreted in java would be great as you access the db data in cache. The problem is that the libraries used need to be ported too and that becomes a pain. I am really serious with the porting as Julien will be payed for this. marcf -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Holger Baxmann Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 6:20 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [JBoss-dev] PHP anybody thought about integrating php (and this way the cms-whatever-this-is thingy) into the the containers? maybe by calling the zend engine natively? layer rules ... just an idea .. bax Von: Bill Burke [EMAIL PROTECTED] Antworten an: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Datum: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 15:34:10 -0500 An: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Betreff: RE: [JBoss-dev] PHP IWE. Go Go Julien Viet! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Matt Munz Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 3:16 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] PHP Marc group, Thanks for the details. We tried to rewrite the forums (which we did) and it took us for ever due to the publishing framework getting in the way. My good friend Google just explained CMS publishing to me, and I think I understand the issue. It is not PHP vs. J2EE, but Post-Nuke vs. a J2EE-based CMS that apparently DNE. Not the best situation... - Matt -Original Message- From: marc fleury [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 2:39 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] PHP Bill, Don't worry, I'm not going to blast you for not eating your own dog food. you should. JSP/Servlets/J2EE is better, but PostNuke is a good Content Management System. This statement, in and of itself, is a rationale for using J2EE instead of PHP ;) Could you divulge the precise reason(s) for choosing Post-Nuke? (I can think of many factors that often outweigh technical superiority -- time, money, expedience, IP issues... was it one of these?) the real reason is that the APPLICATION IS THERE. We tried to rewrite the forums (which we did) and it took us for ever due to the publishing framework getting in the way. The problem we have is that PostNuke is a bunch of PHP files with direct DB access in it and we are having scalability nightmares. Our machine used to be 15% utilization max (slashdot was 50%) due TO THE CACHES IN JBOSS. And without it, we have 100 people on the website and the machine is pegged. So the application is there so we use it. We need it NOW. Julien viet, who was writing the forums, is now on JBoss payroll and will be working on JNUKE. A straight port of PHP functionality to JBoss. PHP is ugly and functional, my kind of code but at the end of the day it doesn't scale well at all due to all the crap they do. EJB are good things :) Peace, marcf --- This SF.NET email is sponsored by: SourceForge Enterprise Edition + IBM + LinuxWorld = Something 2 See! http://www.vasoftware.com ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development --- This SF.NET email is sponsored by: SourceForge Enterprise Edition + IBM + LinuxWorld http://www.vasoftware.com ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development --- This SF.NET email is sponsored by: SourceForge Enterprise Edition + IBM + LinuxWorld = Something 2 See! http://www.vasoftware.com ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development --- This SF.NET email is
Re: (PHP interperated via Java) [Fwd: RE: [JBoss-dev] PHP]
on 2003/1/10 5:06 AM, Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought this might be interesting to some folks... They're porting PHP to Java... -Andy Yea, it is called JSP w/ scriptlets. This is a stupid idea. -jon -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (PHP interperated via Java) [Fwd: RE: [JBoss-dev] PHP]
But interesting no? ;-) Jon Scott Stevens wrote: on 2003/1/10 5:06 AM, Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought this might be interesting to some folks... They're porting PHP to Java... -Andy Yea, it is called JSP w/ scriptlets. This is a stupid idea. -jon -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (PHP interperated via Java) [Fwd: RE: [JBoss-dev] PHP]
on 2003/1/10 9:54 AM, Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But interesting no? ;-) Not anymore interesting than Jython... Hey, let's re-write every language in Java just to be interesting! I'm waiting for the C implementation in Java. Not. -jon -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
