Re: Mark as Junk not implemented in Seek? (was Re: delete not implemented!)
When it's commercial software, that's called negligence. When it's open source software, that's called enthusiasm! :) Scott I'm guilty of showing off this extension a bit too early :-) David ___ General mailing list General@simile.mit.edu http://simile.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/general
Re: My departure + the future of Timeline and Exhibit
Hi David, I'll chime in with the others with my congratulations! You've been extremely helpful and I am sure Metaweb will be glad to have you. As for opinions as to where to go with Timeline and Exhibit, I wouldn't mind seeing them become open source projects. I'd be happy to continue contributing in what small ways that I can. As for where to host the code, I do not have any practical experience, so I can't really offer any concrete advise here, but i would like to point out the obvious. Where ever the code ends up being hosted, it will need to be 1) extremely reliable and 2) very fast. Because Exhibit is hosted for all of its users, if the host goes down or experiences a bottleneck, everyone who uses Exhibit is affected. It makes me wonder if there is some way of mirroring the host and load sharing between the mirrors... Scott ___ General mailing list General@simile.mit.edu http://simile.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/general
Re: Odd Exhibit Behavior in IE7
Hmmm... I'm not seeing anything obvious to me. Maybe David or someone else with more knowledge can look into it. I'll keep looking though! Scott On Dec 4, 2007, at 2:33 PM, MD wrote: Scott, Thanks for the quick response! It seems simple enough, but it's not working. Is there a specific location that I need to place the coordinator id? I'm wondering if, through all my revisions, I might have some misplaced code or remnants of older code that is throwing a wrench into things. Any ideas? Thanks, MD -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] On Behalf Of Scott Longberry Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 10:58 AM To: General List Subject: Re: Odd Exhibit Behavior in IE7 Hi MD, I can't help with the IE behavior you are seeing but I should be able to point you in the right direction for the other part of your post... Also related to this, I would like to coordinate the event bubbles similar to the US Presidents Exhibit in the online Exhibit examples. What I mean by that is that when I click on a timeline event, the bubble pops up for it on the timeline and on the map simultaneously (and vice-versa). What you are looking for are coordinators. You can read about them here http://simile.mit.edu/wiki/Exhibit/2.0/Coordinators but the general gist is that you put one in your page like this: div ex:role=coordinator id=coordinator-a /div and then, in each view that you want to tie together, you reference it: div ex:role=view ex:center=30,0 ex:zoom=2 ex:viewClass=Map ex:mapHeight=450 ex:latlng=.addressLatLng ex:colorKey=.type ex:selectCoordinator=coordinator-a /div div ex:role=exhibit-view ex:timelineConstructor=myTimelineConstructor ex:viewClass=Exhibit.TimelineView ex:start=.start ex:end=.end ex:bubbleWidth=500 ex:bubbleHeight=300 ex:label=View As Timeline ex:topBandIntervalPixels=70 ex:bottomBandIntervalPixels=80 ex:marker=.type ex:configuration=timelineConfig ex:selectCoordinator=coordinator-a /div will tie your timeline and map views together. Nice page, by the way, good luck with it! Scott ___ General mailing list General@simile.mit.edu http://simile.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/general ___ General mailing list General@simile.mit.edu http://simile.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/general inline: SLemailsalutationrgb72.gif ___ General mailing list General@simile.mit.edu http://simile.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/general
What changed in Exhibit
Hi All, I was looking at my page today and noticed that some things have changed with exhibit. I now have the little scissors icon back (which I had dropped from the page). My page that used to allow you to flip back and forth between list view and timeline view no longer has an option for the timeline. My pop up windows when a user clicks on an event for details no longer appear. And, finally, Firebug is displaying errors: TypeError: exhibit has no properties message=exhibit has no properties TypeError: exhibit has no properties XmlHttp: Error handling onReadyStateChange My page hasn't changed in months. Was a new release rolled out to the server recently? If so, what do I need to do to make my app compatible with it? Thanks, Scott ___ General mailing list General@simile.mit.edu http://simile.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/general
Re: How to create a search box or Go to YEAR box
Hi Kris, Something along the lines of this will work. The only problem is that there is no error checking so if someone enters something other than an integer, things tend to blow up. FORM NAME=date_select ACTION=javascript: centerTimeline (document.date_select.goto_date.value); INPUT TYPE=text NAME=goto_date VALUE=INPUT TYPE=submit VALUE=Jump to Year /FORM Scott On May 24, 2007, at 12:50 PM, Kris Thomas-Vander Lugt wrote: Hi! I am a teacher rather inexperienced in web design looking to incorporate Simile Timeline in a course I'm teaching online about German literature. We've created the basic timeline and added events, but we're finding it difficult to scroll through decades or centuries of events in the top band. Is there some way to add a search box that would allow users to enter the year they want to go to and have that time period show up? ( i.e. Go to 2007 and have it automatically scroll forward from the timeline's starting point, which is currently somewhere around 1700, to 2007) Our very crude draft can be located at: http://www.public.iastate.edu/~ktvl/timeline/timeline.html Thanks! Kris -- Kristin T. Vander Lugt Assistant Professor of German Studies Iowa State University Department of World Languages and Cultures 3102 Pearson Hall Ames, IA 50011 Departmental Website: http://www.language.iastate.edu/ Phone: (515) 294-2759 Fax: (515) 294-9914 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ General mailing list General@simile.mit.edu http://simile.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/general ___ General mailing list General@simile.mit.edu http://simile.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/general
Re: Exhibits invisible to Google
As one who started out just using Timeline and then moved to the Exhibit application, I can say that I was a little disappointed that Exhibit didn't read XML. More because I had to change my application that generated the XML document over to output JSON instead than anything else, but I do still think it would be nice to have the choice of input formats. Scott On Jan 25, 2007, at 9:15 AM, derek | idea company wrote: Hi David and all, What if instead of using json files Exhibit used standard XML/RSS feeds. Google reads those when searching for them, and you can also have your exhibit pugged by the ever popular Feedburner and other fancy RSS readers. There might also be easier ways to integrate into other software or upgrading to a Database if the dataset becomes larger then a flat file can handle. Cheers, Derek Derek Kinsman The Idea Company New Media Designer http://www.ideacompany.ca/ http://boring.ambitiouslemon.com/ 1.416.371.5652 David Huynh wrote: Hi all, Exhibit suffers from the same Achilles heel as other Ajax applications: the dynamic content that gets inserted on-the-fly is totally invisible to Google. My whole web site is now invisible to Google :-) Perhaps this is the biggest impediment to adoption. Johan has added some code that allows Exhibit to load data from HTML tables. This lets your data be shown even if Javascript is disabled and lets your data be visible to Google. However, HTML tables are clunky to store data. There is another alternative: inserting your data encoded as JSON between pre.../pre and then getting Exhibit to grab that text out and eval(...) it. If Javascript is disabled, the data is displayed as JSON--not so pretty. However, if the data is fed from another source, such as Google Spreadsheets, then neither of these approaches can be used. We've also entertained the idea of using the browser's Save Page As... feature to snapshot a rendered exhibit and then using that as the public page. Exhibit still gets loaded into that page, but it would initially not change the DOM until some user action requires it to. However, the browser's Save Page As... feature doesn't do a very good job of saving the generated DOM. So, I think anything we do would look pretty much like a hack and work for only some cases. We also risk getting blacklisted by Google's crawler. So, what do we do? Is it possible to ask Google to scrape those exhibit-data links in the heads of the pages? And how do we do that? David ___ General mailing list General@simile.mit.edu http://simile.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/general ___ General mailing list General@simile.mit.edu http://simile.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/general ___ General mailing list General@simile.mit.edu http://simile.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/general
Improving load times
Hi David and all, Does anyone have suggestions as to how to improve load times for Exhibit Exhibit w/ Timeline views? I am starting to have people complaining about the amount of time that it is taking to load the page initially. Looking at the bundle.js file for Exhibit, it's almost half a meg and that's before I load my data into the view. Even with a DSL line, the page has a very noticeable lag (about 20 - 30 seconds in some cases). Thanks for any suggestions! Scott ___ General mailing list General@simile.mit.edu http://simile.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/general
Re: Exhibits invisible to Google
You mean that David isn't an army of programmers? You could have fooled me by the number of times he has answered my questions regarding Exhibit and Timeline and the time stamp on the email has been later than 8 PM! Thanks for the great work, David! Scott On Jan 25, 2007, at 11:32 AM, David R. Karger wrote: In an ideal world (ie, one with an infinite number of coders :), babel would be inside exhibit. Exhibit would natively read all the formats that babel currently translates. There is no technical barrier to this, and it would enhance the tool by letting authors publish in whatever structured data representation they wanted and edit it in real time without having to got through an interaction with a translation service. In this non-ideal world, the reason for babel is that a number of fast-enough parsing tools, such as the one babel uses to translate bibtex to rdf, exist in java that do not exist in javascript. Since David Huynh had finite time, he used them. Just as exhibit has a library of different views, it would be natural for it to have a library of parsers for different structured data formats. So I could say script src=http://static.simile.mit.edu/exhibit/api/exhibit-api.js? views=timelineparser=bibtex type=text/javascript/script and then link href=mybib.js type=application/bibtex rel=exhibit/data / All that is standing in our way is the lack of an army of programmers :) derek | idea company wrote: David, That might work indeed. However, I was thinking something on par with say how Timeline was using an XML file, using something similar instead of a JSON file. It would also be easier to create, edit and manage it in a live environment, making it possible for multiple exhibit authors. A simple xml editor could be created to edit and update a file in use. That way, users wouldn't have work around a spreadsheet and either export it with Babel or get access to the google spreadsheet and do all the publish/republish. Just a thought, might be out of the scope of the project. Cheers, +dk Derek Kinsman The Idea Company New Media Designer http://www.ideacompany.ca/ http://boring.ambitiouslemon.com/ 1.416.371.5652 David Huynh wrote: Oh that might work! So, maybe something like this? head link rel=exhibit/data type=application/json href=my-data.json / link rel=exhibit/google-spreadsheets-data type=application/jsonp href=http://spreadsheets.google.com/feeds/list/ o08841867754116283182.6102151849127695926/od6/public/basic? alt=json-in-javscript / !-- Just for you, Google! -- link rel=alternate type=application/rss+xml title=RSS 2.0 href=http://www.foo.com/convert-exhibit-json-to-rss? url=http://people.csail.mit.edu/dfhuynh/my-data.json; / link rel=alternate type=application/rss+xml title=RSS 2.0 href=http://spreadsheets.google.com/feeds/list/ o08841867754116283182.6102151849127695926/od6/public/basic / /head How confident are we that this will work? David ___ General mailing list General@simile.mit.edu http://simile.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/general ___ General mailing list General@simile.mit.edu http://simile.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/general ___ General mailing list General@simile.mit.edu http://simile.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/general ___ General mailing list General@simile.mit.edu http://simile.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/general
Re: Timeline MONTH Band Problem
Hi David,
This is a problem that I was experiencing myself until yesterday. I
am serving the files locally (not running off the Simile distro) and
I changed the following function:
Timeline.GregorianDateLabeller.prototype.defaultLabelInterval
in the labellers.js file so that the case statement for month added
one more to the labelInterval call. I'll admit that I looked at the
labelInterval function to try to fix the problem at its root, but I
was sure what else I would break messing around with it.
In my case, I also added a call to
Timeline.GregorianDateLabeller.getMonthName
and prepended this to my result so that my band displays the month
and year (Jan 2007 for example). So, here's how my case statemnt
looks now:
case Timeline.DateTime.MONTH:
var m = date.getUTCMonth();
if (m == 0) {
text = Timeline.GregorianDateLabeller.getMonthName(m,
this._locale) + + (this.labelInterval(date,
Timeline.DateTime.YEAR).text + 1);
emphasized = true;
} else {
text = Timeline.GregorianDateLabeller.getMonthName(m,
this._locale);
}
break;
I'm sure that my fix is pretty much a hack and that David will come
up with a better solution though!
Scott
On Jan 19, 2007, at 10:19 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
1/19/07
I am experiencing a problem with MONTH in Timeline. When I
do a MONTH band, it places the wrong year in the January
slot, making the year one too early. In other words, when
2006 should appear in the January slot in a band, 2005
appears instead. However, when I change the band to YEAR
there is no problem. For example go to
http://www.swingingsammy.com/timeline/timelineh.html to see
the use of the YEAR band with no problem and everything
placed in the correct location. Go to
http://www.swingingsammy.com/timeline/timelineh2.html to see
the probelm when using the MONTH band (David L. Cohen should
be appearing for May 12, 1965 NOT May 12, 1964). Nothing
else in my code has changed except changing the bands
intervalUnit period from MONTH to YEAR. I also am
expeiencing this problem with other Timeline files. Thank
you for your assistance.
--
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No items in list
Hi all, Does anyone have any suggestions for dealing with the Exhibit views in the situation where there are no items in the JSON data? For example, if there are no items in the JSON file, the view panel comes up with a not configured error. Also, is there a javascript function call that I can use to tell the Exhibit to reload the JSON file? I know that Exhibit wasn't initially intended to work this way, but I am pushing it to work with dynamic data by generating the JSON file on the fly. Thanks for the help! Scott ___ General mailing list General@simile.mit.edu http://simile.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/general
Re: Exhibit question
On Jan 18, 2007, at 7:37 AM, Johan Sundström wrote: On 1/18/07, David Huynh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Scott, That iframe is used to detect when the user presses the Back and Forward buttons of the browser so that undo/redo can be supported. What kind of problem is it causing you? Probably not Scott's problem, but one I have encountered on my own in intrusive composition scenarios: when __history__.html is loaded into a frame from a site where it does not exist, and where the error page contains javascript code which breaks free of frames (such as if( window != top ) top.location = location;), this wreaks havoc, shutting down Exhibit and anything else along with it. It would be useful having the option of specifying somehoe that Exhibit first try to load the history page via SimileAjax, ensuring that it is the history page it expects, before loading it into the iframe. Or, doing away with loading an external file at all, if possible. -- / Johan Sundström, http://ecmanaut.blogspot.com/ ___ General mailing list General@simile.mit.edu http://simile.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/general My problem actually lies in the fact that I am using Ruby on Rails to write my site and am using Exhibit underneath this application layer for display purposes. Rails uses routing to determine which application controller should handle an incoming request. So, what happens in my case is that the page requests the __history__.html file from the directory that created the Exhibit view and Rails interprets that as a request to the controller and passes in the history file name as a parameter to the controller. The controller is actually expecting an id for lookup in the database by default, so it assumes that I want to look up __history__.html and isn't all that happy about the results. I found in the code how to turn off the history iFrame and have done so as a temporary fix. However, the history feature is pretty nice and I would like to eventually turn it back on. I will take a look at the routing configuration for Rails and see if there is a way to tell the application that a request for the particular filename should be a proxy to somewhere else. However, I do like Johan's suggestion of doing away with the external file if at all possible. Or, at least make it a configurable option to tell Exhibit where to look for the file. Thanks for the help! Scott ___ General mailing list General@simile.mit.edu http://simile.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/general
Exhibit question
Hi all, Can someone give me some idea as to what the iframe that sources from __history__.html actually does? It is wreaking havoc with some other programs that I am incorporating into the same page. Thanks, Scott ___ General mailing list General@simile.mit.edu http://simile.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/general
Re: Exhibit and Ajax.updater
Hi David,
I happen to be using Firebug and there are no errors coming from
Javascript. I guess what I was really wondering was if there could be
any namespace conflicts with the Ajax namespace?
Thanks,
Scott
On Jan 15, 2007, at 8:30 PM, David Huynh wrote:
Scott Longberry wrote:
Hi all,
I am trying to embed a link into a text string being fed to Exhibit.
If I view the source, the link looks like the following:
a href=# onclick=alert('Get link!!!'); new Ajax.Updater
('stringinfo','http://localhost:8080/query/get_string_from_li?
id=196', {asynchronous: true}); return false;Demo 7049-32/a
I put the alert into the link just to prove that javascript was
getting evaluated when I click on the generated link (it is). The
problem is that the Ajax.Updater never fires. Is there some
incompatibility between the Prototype JS library and the Simile Ajax
library? I use prototype everywhere else in my code, so I would like
to use it here as well if I could.
Are you seeing any error in the Javascript console (in Firefox)? I'd
recomment FireBug for debugging:
http://getfirebug.com/
David
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Re: Exhibit and Ajax.updater
Hi All,
I apologize for the waste of bandwidth. There is no conflict with
Prototype's Ajax.Updater.
You just need to be using it correctly...
Scott
On Jan 16, 2007, at 7:52 AM, Scott Longberry wrote:
Hi David,
I happen to be using Firebug and there are no errors coming from
Javascript. I guess what I was really wondering was if there could be
any namespace conflicts with the Ajax namespace?
Thanks,
Scott
On Jan 15, 2007, at 8:30 PM, David Huynh wrote:
Scott Longberry wrote:
Hi all,
I am trying to embed a link into a text string being fed to Exhibit.
If I view the source, the link looks like the following:
a href=# onclick=alert('Get link!!!'); new Ajax.Updater
('stringinfo','http://localhost:8080/query/get_string_from_li?
id=196', {asynchronous: true}); return false;Demo 7049-32/a
I put the alert into the link just to prove that javascript was
getting evaluated when I click on the generated link (it is). The
problem is that the Ajax.Updater never fires. Is there some
incompatibility between the Prototype JS library and the Simile Ajax
library? I use prototype everywhere else in my code, so I would like
to use it here as well if I could.
Are you seeing any error in the Javascript console (in Firefox)? I'd
recomment FireBug for debugging:
http://getfirebug.com/
David
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Re: Exhibit and Ajax.updater
Hi David,
Thanks for the reply. I just sent an I'm an idiot post but since
you were kind enough to reply, I'll go ahead and divulge just how
much on an idiot I am. :)
My Javascript was correct (which is why Firebug showed no errors,
even when I was tracing XmlHTTPRequests). However, the guys who write
browsers are smarter than I am and therefore won't actually let you
execute cross domain scripting security bugs that you have written
into your app.
The good news is, with a little refactoring, I can now have detailed
information bubbles pop up over the top of my Exhibit views.
Thanks for the help!
Scott
On Jan 16, 2007, at 9:03 AM, David Huynh wrote:
Scott Longberry wrote:
Hi David,
I happen to be using Firebug and there are no errors coming from
Javascript. I guess what I was really wondering was if there could be
any namespace conflicts with the Ajax namespace?
There shouldn't be. I call our stuff SimileAjax just to avoid
collision.
You can use Firebug's console to evaluate some expressions, including
new
Ajax.Updater('stringinfo','http://localhost:8080/query/
get_string_from_li?id=196',
{asynchronous: true})
You can also evaluate some expressions like
inspect(Ajax.Updater)
and see if it's looking alright.
David
Thanks,
Scott
On Jan 15, 2007, at 8:30 PM, David Huynh wrote:
Scott Longberry wrote:
Hi all,
I am trying to embed a link into a text string being fed to
Exhibit.
If I view the source, the link looks like the following:
a href=# onclick=alert('Get link!!!'); new Ajax.Updater
('stringinfo','http://localhost:8080/query/get_string_from_li?
id=196', {asynchronous: true}); return false;Demo 7049-32/a
I put the alert into the link just to prove that javascript was
getting evaluated when I click on the generated link (it is). The
problem is that the Ajax.Updater never fires. Is there some
incompatibility between the Prototype JS library and the Simile
Ajax
library? I use prototype everywhere else in my code, so I would
like
to use it here as well if I could.
Are you seeing any error in the Javascript console (in Firefox)? I'd
recomment FireBug for debugging:
http://getfirebug.com/
David
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Exhibit and Ajax.updater
Hi all,
I am trying to embed a link into a text string being fed to Exhibit.
If I view the source, the link looks like the following:
a href=# onclick=alert('Get link!!!'); new Ajax.Updater
('stringinfo','http://localhost:8080/query/get_string_from_li?
id=196', {asynchronous: true}); return false;Demo 7049-32/a
I put the alert into the link just to prove that javascript was
getting evaluated when I click on the generated link (it is). The
problem is that the Ajax.Updater never fires. Is there some
incompatibility between the Prototype JS library and the Simile Ajax
library? I use prototype everywhere else in my code, so I would like
to use it here as well if I could.
Thanks,
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A bunch of Timeline questions
Hi All, Before I begin, I do want to state that I find the Timeline software extremely beneficial and I really like it. I'm not complaining with these questions, I'm just confused! :) Please forgive me if these questions are simple, but I have looked through the documentation and the code and haven't found any answers yet. I have downloaded the timeline code from the svn repository and am running it locally from my server. These problems appear if I am running the code locally or remotely from the simile server. My data is coming in the form of an XML file being loaded into the timeline. First, it appears that the I have something configured wrong in my setup. I send an event with a date of Dec 27 and it actually gets displayed on the 28th. I have filtering and highlighting set up from the example.js file and when I highlight the event, the highlight div appears in the correct location even though the actual event is in the wrong place. Second, I have three bands set up. The top is by day, the second is by week and the third by month. When using the highlighting I mentioned before, only the top two bands have the events highlighted. The month band doesn't show anything. Third, the week and month band are set up just to show the line indicators as to where and event is. I would like to increase the size of these elements to make them more obvious. I can't find in the code where these are handled. Just a pointer in the right direction would be helpful here. Finally, I am trying to modify the highlight colors for the default theme in the theme.js file. However, if I change them here, they do not change in the browser, even after dumping cache and reloading the page. Is there somewhere else that these are set that are overriding my changes? Once again, I apologize for so many questions at once! Scott ___ General mailing list General@simile.mit.edu http://simile.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/general
Re: A bunch of Timeline questions
Hi again, Well, I seem to have solved two of my problems. I'm still working on the other two. I thought I would send along the solutions in case others need them in the future. First, it appears that the I have something configured wrong in my setup. I send an event with a date of Dec 27 and it actually gets displayed on the 28th. I have filtering and highlighting set up from the example.js file and when I highlight the event, the highlight div appears in the correct location even though the actual event is in the wrong place. It turns out that I had centering turned on for a higher level div in my page that contains the div the timeline is in. This got inherited by the instant div that gets created by the timeline and the title for the event was getting centered inside the div and thus moving over to another day in the timeline. A suggestion here would be to override the text-align style attribute to be left aligned in event title divs. Finally, I am trying to modify the highlight colors for the default theme in the theme.js file. However, if I change them here, they do not change in the browser, even after dumping cache and reloading the page. Is there somewhere else that these are set that are overriding my changes? I didn't actually solve this one, but found what is probably the correct way of doing it. Instead of changing the default theme, I over rode it with theme.event.highlightColors = []. Two down, two to go. Any help on the other two would definitely be appreciated! Thanks, Scott ___ General mailing list General@simile.mit.edu http://simile.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/general
