Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Something positive! (was Re: Client-serve flags (again ;))
On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 13:15:56 + Steve Long [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You wouldn't even be allowed to carry on like that on the forums; why should we users be held up to a higher standard of conduct than devs who sign up to represent gentoo? You really have no idea what's considered perfectly acceptable on the forums, do you? http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-1053530.html#1053530 -- acceptable Having a picture of a troll as your avatar and writing in coherent English -- unacceptable -- Ciaran McCreesh Mail: ciaranm at ciaranm.org Web : http://ciaranm.org/ Paludis, the secure package manager : http://paludis.pioto.org/ signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Something positive! (was Re: Client-serve flags (again ;))
On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 13:15:56 + Steve Long [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FWIW it wasn't the nature of the insult, it was just that there was an insult at all I didn't see one. -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Something positive! (was Re: Client-serve flags (again ;))
On 11/03/07, Chris Gianelloni [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 2007-03-10 at 22:52 +, Jeff Rollin wrote: Personally I find you are/he/she/it/x,y,z is gay statements/jokes really lame. The topic matter doesn't seem to be relevant to anything (beyond whom you might want to sleep with/marry, obviously) - does being gay make you a better/worse airline pilot? Does it inhibit your ability to be a software engineer? Are you more likely to step out on to the road in front of an oncoming vehicle? Does it mean you spend 60 mins a day more than heterosexuals watching television? Are Mac users (as one OSNews nit posted recently) gay? Who gives a word-replaced-by-four-asterisks? *sigh* Can we drop this crap? Really, it was a joke. It wasn't even a joke in which someone said someone else was gay. Sure there was some hinting and some innuendo, but that's what made the joke. Huh? Excuse me, but as I tried to indicate in another message, I'm as much on YOUR side as anyone else's. Jeff -- Q: What will happen in the Aftermath? A: Impossible to tell, since we're still in the Beforemath. http://latedeveloper.org.uk
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Something positive! (was Re: Client-serve flags (again ;))
On 11/03/07, Steve Long [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jeff Rollin wrote: On 10/03/07, Ryan Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The people who get all bent out of shape about a simple joke like that are either homosexual themselves (not a bad thing) or homophobes (definitely a bad thing). .. OTOH, I don't see how the allegation that people who are homophobic fear they may be homosexuals themselves is shocking, since I've suspected the same on many occasions and know that other people have - and it's imo certainly no more shocking than the original comment - which I didn't, but which *could*, be taken as a snide bit of homophobia. Yeah, it's fairly commonly agreed round these parts too. FWIW it wasn't the nature of the insult, it was just that there was an insult at all, from someone i've never spoken to; it made me think that I'm clearly annoying people and just not welcome. Felt like a kick in the guts after enjoying myself hanging out on irc. Anyway, *moving swiftly on*, I don't think it's right to have homophobic jokes (or any offensive jokes or language) as a general point of common courtesy. Especially not on a mailing-list. Oh, I can think of much more annoying and unwelcome correspondents than you ;-), if on other mailinglists. Simply put: slag me off all you want on irc, but please don't bring it to the mailing list or the forums. These are effectively archives for how gentoo grew; certainly I was dismayed by some of the stuff I read, as I came up to speed with reasons for technical decisions. You wouldn't even be allowed to carry on like that on the forums; why should we users be held up to a higher standard of conduct than devs who sign up to represent gentoo? Nicely put. Jeff -- Q: What will happen in the Aftermath? A: Impossible to tell, since we're still in the Beforemath. http://latedeveloper.org.uk
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Something positive! (was Re: Client-serve flags (again ;))
On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 15:34:41 + Jeff Rollin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Huh? Excuse me, but as I tried to indicate in another message, I'm as much on YOUR side as anyone else's. Then stop continuing the thread. Everyone stop continuing the thread. It's over. Dead. Gone. Etc. -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Something positive! (was Re: Client-serve flags (again ;))
This thread is gay. On 3/11/07, Stephen Bennett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 15:34:41 + Jeff Rollin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Huh? Excuse me, but as I tried to indicate in another message, I'm as much on YOUR side as anyone else's. Then stop continuing the thread. Everyone stop continuing the thread. It's over. Dead. Gone. Etc. -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Something positive! (was Re: Client-serve flags (again ;))
Dan Meltzer wrote: This thread is gay. Well played. -- Andrew Gaffneyhttp://dev.gentoo.org/~agaffney/ Gentoo Linux Developer Installer Project -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Something positive! (was Re: Client-serve flags (again ;))
Hi, Ciaran McCreesh schrieb: You really have no idea what's considered perfectly acceptable on the forums, do you? http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-1053530.html#1053530 -- acceptable Now *that's* satire. See, on forums you can retract what you said (if you don't get quoted, that is), with a ML that's just not possible*. I agree with you, then, that this ML should have a higher standard of conduct than the forums. Regards, Thomas * Well, you can say you're sorry, but so far no one ever did AFAICT -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Re: Something positive! (was Re: Client-serve flags (again ;))
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 13:15:56 + Steve Long [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You wouldn't even be allowed to carry on like that on the forums; why should we users be held up to a higher standard of conduct than devs who sign up to represent gentoo? You really have no idea what's considered perfectly acceptable on the forums, do you? http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-1053530.html#1053530 -- acceptable Um, that was in Off The Wall, which is known to be a bit.. er, off the wall? And idiotic as that post was, he wasn't directing his idiocy at another user. (I didn't read the whole thread, admittedly, nor am I about to.) I was slapped down recently just for asking a guy who'd had an extended whinge/ rant whether he felt all right. I wasn't even trying to belittle him, I just wanted him to see his feelings were out of context. That's all, just asking Blimey, are you feeling all right? Hmm maybe that does sound a bit sarcy on reflection (tho it wasn't meant) but it's the height of civilisation compared to what is perfectly acceptable in /this/ forum. -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Re: Something positive! (was Re: Client-serve flags (again ;))
On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 18:11:53 + Steve Long [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-1053530.html#1053530 -- acceptable Um, that was in Off The Wall, which is known to be a bit.. er, off the wall? And idiotic as that post was, he wasn't directing his idiocy at another user. (I didn't read the whole thread, admittedly, nor am I about to.) You mean, he was offending whole groups of users at once, rather than one person in particular, so it was ok. That's pretty much how the forums work. You're fine saying absolutely anything you want about people by category (unless that category is the forum mods or a category including their friends), so long as you doesn't name any individual (unless it's a member of the mips team -- it's perfectly ok to say anything you want about any of those). -- Ciaran McCreesh Mail: ciaranm at ciaranm.org Web : http://ciaranm.org/ Paludis, the secure package manager : http://paludis.pioto.org/ signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Re: Something positive! (was Re: Client-serve flags (again ;))
[snip] __ __ _ _ ___ _ |__ / _ \| \/ |/ ___| | / ___|_ _/ _ \| _ \| | / / | | | |\/| | | _| | \___ \ | || | | | |_) | | / /| |_| | | | | |_| |_| ___) || || |_| | __/|_| /\___/|_| |_|\(_) |/ |_| \___/|_| (_) *everyone* please stop flooding my mailbox with such junk, *NOW*. Move this gay debate to /dev/null or create yourself a gentoo-chat mailing list, but stop polluting a development ML with this noise already. -- Best regards, Jakub Moc mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG signature: http://subkeys.pgp.net:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0xCEBA3D9E Primary key fingerprint: D2D7 933C 9BA1 C95B 2C95 B30F 8717 D5FD CEBA 3D9E ... still no signature ;) signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Re: Something positive! (was Re: Client-serve flags (again ;))
On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 19:24:49 +0100
Jakub Moc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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Nice job of not polluting the list with noise there.
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[gentoo-dev] Appropriate discussions for this forum (was Re: Something positive!)
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: Um, that was in Off The Wall, which is known to be a bit.. er, off the wall? And idiotic as that post was, he wasn't directing his idiocy at another user. (I didn't read the whole thread, admittedly, nor am I about to.) You mean, he was offending whole groups of users at once, rather than one person in particular, so it was ok. No, rather that he was not bullying an individual. I have seen many instances of that in the archives of this hallowed list. What's saddest is when someone who's been the victim of such behaviour ends up perpetrating same on another. I've also noticed, in other walks of life, that weak characters gravitate to such seemingly strong ones, mistaking fear for respect. And personally, while I might find remarks which are disparaging of people on the basis of *anything* other than their character, to be offensive, freedom of expression means that the way to fight that prejudice is with reasoned argument - which I am equally at liberty to express. So apart from very exceptional circumstances, I don't think a ban is appropriate simply for expressing distasteful/idiotic/bigoted/[supply term] views. Whether it's appropriate content for a particular forum depends on context; OTW is home to some pretty outrageous debates and I believe users are clearly warned of that fact. That's pretty much how the forums work. You're fine saying absolutely anything you want about people by category (unless that category is the forum mods or a category including their friends), so long as you doesn't name any individual (unless it's a member of the mips team -- it's perfectly ok to say anything you want about any of those). Mate, I don't know what the appropriate public forum is for you to discuss the issues you've had with forums.g.o. I can understand that you feel hurt by your exclusion, but I have a feeling you'd probably deny the possibility of such an eventuality. -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Re: Something positive! (was Re: Client-serve flags (again ;))
On 11/03/07, Stephen Bennett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 19:24:49 +0100
Jakub Moc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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Nice job of not polluting the list with noise there.
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[gentoo-dev] Automated Package Removal and Addition Tracker, for the week ending 2007-03-11 23h59 UTC
The attached list notes all of the packages that were added or removed from the tree, for the week ending 2007-03-11 23h59 UTC. Removals: dev-ruby/ruby-gtk 2007-03-05 06:19:15 tester x11-themes/qtcurve 2007-03-05 15:57:50 beandog net-libs/gecko-sdk 2007-03-05 16:46:24 armin76 app-emulation/vm-arm2007-03-07 20:01:11 vapier dev-java/jess-bin 2007-03-09 12:00:36 betelgeuse net-www/bk_edit 2007-03-10 13:38:41 pingu media-video/tcvp2007-03-10 14:10:53 drac dev-libs/libtc 2007-03-10 14:12:07 drac dev-libs/tc22007-03-10 14:12:07 drac dev-libs/tc2-modules2007-03-10 14:12:07 drac Additions: games-util/datutil 2007-03-05 12:33:03 drizzt x11-themes/qtcurve 2007-03-05 15:30:12 beandog app-admin/sysrqd2007-03-05 22:40:06 wschlich dev-util/scanmem2007-03-06 12:59:19 taviso dev-php4/xcache 2007-03-06 14:24:36 chtekk x11-themes/skinenigmang-logos 2007-03-06 14:39:00 hd_brummy media-plugins/vdr-skinenigmang 2007-03-06 14:40:13 hd_brummy media-libs/openjpeg 2007-03-06 14:45:58 drizzt dev-libs/elfio 2007-03-06 16:08:07 drizzt x11-themes/gtk-engines-qtcurve 2007-03-06 19:58:59 beandog x11-themes/qtcurve 2007-03-06 20:00:10 beandog media-sound/flake 2007-03-08 18:23:14 beandog media-sound/wavegain2007-03-09 14:53:05 beandog dev-lang/dmd-bin2007-03-09 14:56:18 anant media-fonts/fonts-indic 2007-03-10 15:17:22 seemant x11-themes/tangerine-icon-theme 2007-03-10 19:28:41 drac dev-haskell/fgl 2007-03-11 15:57:36 kolmodin dev-haskell/mtl 2007-03-11 16:27:34 kolmodin dev-haskell/html2007-03-11 16:38:00 kolmodin dev-haskell/haskell-src 2007-03-11 16:43:35 kolmodin dev-haskell/hunit 2007-03-11 16:49:07 kolmodin dev-haskell/network 2007-03-11 16:55:37 kolmodin dev-haskell/quickcheck 2007-03-11 16:59:34 kolmodin dev-java/browserlauncher2 2007-03-11 20:16:31 sbriesen dev-perl/File-Tempdir 2007-03-11 21:08:17 mcummings -- Robin Hugh Johnson Gentoo Linux Developer E-Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] GnuPG FP : 11AC BA4F 4778 E3F6 E4ED F38E B27B 944E 3488 4E85 Removed Packages: dev-ruby/ruby-gtk,removed,tester,2007-03-05 06:19:15 x11-themes/qtcurve,removed,beandog,2007-03-05 15:57:50 net-libs/gecko-sdk,removed,armin76,2007-03-05 16:46:24 app-emulation/vm-arm,removed,vapier,2007-03-07 20:01:11 dev-java/jess-bin,removed,betelgeuse,2007-03-09 12:00:36 net-www/bk_edit,removed,pingu,2007-03-10 13:38:41 media-video/tcvp,removed,drac,2007-03-10 14:10:53 dev-libs/libtc,removed,drac,2007-03-10 14:12:07 dev-libs/tc2,removed,drac,2007-03-10 14:12:07 dev-libs/tc2-modules,removed,drac,2007-03-10 14:12:07 Added Packages: games-util/datutil,added,drizzt,2007-03-05 12:33:03 x11-themes/qtcurve,added,beandog,2007-03-05 15:30:12 app-admin/sysrqd,added,wschlich,2007-03-05 22:40:06 dev-util/scanmem,added,taviso,2007-03-06 12:59:19 dev-php4/xcache,added,chtekk,2007-03-06 14:24:36 x11-themes/skinenigmang-logos,added,hd_brummy,2007-03-06 14:39:00 media-plugins/vdr-skinenigmang,added,hd_brummy,2007-03-06 14:40:13 media-libs/openjpeg,added,drizzt,2007-03-06 14:45:58 dev-libs/elfio,added,drizzt,2007-03-06 16:08:07 x11-themes/gtk-engines-qtcurve,added,beandog,2007-03-06 19:58:59 x11-themes/qtcurve,added,beandog,2007-03-06 20:00:10 media-sound/flake,added,beandog,2007-03-08 18:23:14 media-sound/wavegain,added,beandog,2007-03-09 14:53:05 dev-lang/dmd-bin,added,anant,2007-03-09 14:56:18 media-fonts/fonts-indic,added,seemant,2007-03-10 15:17:22 x11-themes/tangerine-icon-theme,added,drac,2007-03-10 19:28:41 dev-haskell/fgl,added,kolmodin,2007-03-11 15:57:36 dev-haskell/mtl,added,kolmodin,2007-03-11 16:27:34 dev-haskell/html,added,kolmodin,2007-03-11 16:38:00 dev-haskell/haskell-src,added,kolmodin,2007-03-11 16:43:35 dev-haskell/hunit,added,kolmodin,2007-03-11 16:49:07 dev-haskell/network,added,kolmodin,2007-03-11 16:55:37 dev-haskell/quickcheck,added,kolmodin,2007-03-11 16:59:34 dev-java/browserlauncher2,added,sbriesen,2007-03-11 20:16:31 dev-perl/File-Tempdir,added,mcummings,2007-03-11 21:08:17 Done.
