Re: [gentoo-dev] About testing applications

2007-03-19 Thread Pierre-Yves Rofes
On Sun, March 18, 2007 10:53 pm, Stephen Bennett wrote:
 On Sun, 18 Mar 2007 21:46:40 +
 Jeff Rollin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Which is why I was saying there was no point in a ~/.config
 directory...

 Generally speaking one lists the contents of one's home directory more
often than one lists ~/.config. It moves the clutter to a place where
it's not so noticeable, and is thus a good thing.

Well, I'd tend to say that it's not noticeable even under $(HOME) because
one issues a ls [-l] more often than a ls -a[l].
Besides, moving all into ~/.config is just moving the problem somewhere
else, not really solving it.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] About testing applications

2007-03-19 Thread Josh Saddler
Pierre-Yves Rofes wrote:
 Well, I'd tend to say that it's not noticeable even under $(HOME) because
 one issues a ls [-l] more often than a ls -a[l].
 Besides, moving all into ~/.config is just moving the problem somewhere
 else, not really solving it.

Agreed. It's just moving the problem elsewhere, where it persists to be
a problem, just in a different way/place.

I prefer per app configs right in my homedir, not in ~/.config/ --
though I suppose it really should depend on whether or not the upstream
for the app in question intended to place the configs someplace sane
or not.





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Re: [gentoo-dev] About testing applications

2007-03-19 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Monday 19 March 2007, Pierre-Yves Rofes wrote:
 Well, I'd tend to say that it's not noticeable even under $(HOME) because
 one issues a ls [-l] more often than a ls -a[l].
 Besides, moving all into ~/.config is just moving the problem somewhere
 else, not really solving it.

what is the problem as you see it ?  the nice thing about having a ~/.config/ 
is that it's a directory that can obviously be added to backups or sync 
programs for keeping $HOME the same across multiple machines ... you dont 
have to worry about having to filter large crap like cache files, temporary 
files, etc...
-mike


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Re: [gentoo-dev] About testing applications

2007-03-19 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Monday 19 March 2007, Josh Saddler wrote:
 I prefer per app configs right in my homedir, not in ~/.config/ --

this isnt really a point that will ever be solved ... you'll always have 
people who prefer the classical *nix approach over anything else
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Re: [gentoo-dev] About testing applications

2007-03-19 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Sunday 18 March 2007, Simon Stelling wrote:
 Petteri Räty wrote:
  Many applications save preferences in ~/.app/. When testing
  applications please make sure you test with an empty directory to catch
  cases when an upgrade works fine but a clean install doesn't. Thanks.

 Even better: Fix them to use ~/.config/app instead, so they don't
 clutter up the home unnecessarily :)

i assume you mean of course to get our devs to get upstream to conform to 
freedesktop.org standards ... i like that a lot ;)
-mike


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Re: [gentoo-dev] About testing applications

2007-03-19 Thread Seemant Kulleen
On Mon, 2007-03-19 at 03:38 -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote:
 what is the problem as you see it ?  the nice thing about having a ~/.config/ 
 is that it's a directory that can obviously be added to backups or sync 
 programs for keeping $HOME the same across multiple machines ... you dont 
 have to worry about having to filter large crap like cache files, temporary 
 files, etc...
 -mike

Strictly speaking, it should probably be ~/.etc/ in keeping with the
rest of the filesystem naming scheme.

seemant



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Re: [gentoo-dev] About testing applications

2007-03-19 Thread Thomas de Grenier de Latour
On 2007/03/19, Mike Frysinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 the nice thing about having a ~/.config/ [...]

Other nice things about it come from it not being an hardcoded path,
but just a default for $XDG_CONFIG_HOME. 

For instance, when testing a new version of an application, you can 
XDG_CONFIG_HOME=$HOME/.config-test  your-app, and get exactly what 
Petteri was recommending (the no old config around test) without
moving/renaming your normal config dirs.

Also, when sharing your homedir beetween two distributions which don't
provide the same version of an application (which is often not much
successful, like for instance foo-1.1 deleting options it doesn't known
from foo-2.0 conf files, when it's not a complete breakage), you can
play with $XDG_CONFIG_HOME to use two different dirs:
 ~/.config/foo  (for foo-2.0 under distro1)
 ~/.config-debian/foo  (for foo-1.1 under distro2)

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Re: [gentoo-dev] About testing applications

2007-03-19 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Monday 19 March 2007, Seemant Kulleen wrote:
 On Mon, 2007-03-19 at 03:38 -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote:
  what is the problem as you see it ?  the nice thing about having a
  ~/.config/ is that it's a directory that can obviously be added to
  backups or sync programs for keeping $HOME the same across multiple
  machines ... you dont have to worry about having to filter large crap
  like cache files, temporary files, etc...

 Strictly speaking, it should probably be ~/.etc/ in keeping with the
 rest of the filesystem naming scheme.

yeah, a mini mirror of / would be neat ... that way you could cleanly 
differentiate between etc/ and var/lib/ and var/tmp/ and tmp/ and ...

but i guess this is something to be discussed to death on freedesktop.org ;)
-mike


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Re: [gentoo-dev] About testing applications

2007-03-19 Thread Rob C

On 19/03/07, Mike Frysinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


On Monday 19 March 2007, Seemant Kulleen wrote:
 On Mon, 2007-03-19 at 03:38 -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote:
  what is the problem as you see it ?  the nice thing about having a
  ~/.config/ is that it's a directory that can obviously be added to
  backups or sync programs for keeping $HOME the same across multiple
  machines ... you dont have to worry about having to filter large crap
  like cache files, temporary files, etc...

 Strictly speaking, it should probably be ~/.etc/ in keeping with the
 rest of the filesystem naming scheme.

yeah, a mini mirror of / would be neat ... that way you could cleanly
differentiate between etc/ and var/lib/ and var/tmp/ and tmp/ and ...

but i guess this is something to be discussed to death on freedesktop.org;)
-mike



Like many things in life, I think the use of ~/.config is ideal but
generally unworkable. There is no real reason not to use it.
Compartmentalisation and segmentation of file structures is the whole
paradigm on which any FS is based.

However my reason for hating ~/.app configurations is that the GTK file
chooser dialog lists these hidden directories in its standard usage, which
makes scrolling through 30-40 lines of directories an unnecessary PITA for
every time I want to Save/Open a file.

[Note, Where I have used ~/.config substitute in the relevant XDG standard
env.]

Just my two Centimes.

Cheers
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Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC Package name additions

2007-03-19 Thread Kevin F. Quinn
On Sat, 17 Mar 2007 10:46:22 +0100
Marijn Schouten (hkBst) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 One thing we could do would be to separate hierarchy from version
 naming.

This is where upstream version numbers fail to have a decent order
(like your example where later versions have lower version numbers).
It could be done for example by extending metadata to include
definitions of unnatural ordering, but I don't think it's worth the
effort.  So far we deal with that on a case-by-case basis, and live
with the pain when it occurs.

 This would prevent cases like currently with rosegarden (~)1.2.4
 (~)1.4.0 4.1.0-r1 4.1.0-r2, where it really should be 4.1.0-r1
 4.1.0-r2 (~)1.2.4 (~)1.4.0.

For example, a simple solution is to just re-number the (presumably
older) 4.* as 0.4.* and be done.  That would also solve the potential
future problem when the latest release reaches 4.* again. The sequence
I would do is:

  1) copy 4.1.0* to 0.4.1.0*, commit to the tree (here you could either
 rig the SRC_URI to keep the old tarball names, or copy the old
 tarballs again with the new revision number)

  2) Alter any packages that depend on the 4.1 versions explicitly, to
 depend on the 0.4.1 versions (after you're sure the new 0.4.*
 versions are in the tree).

  3) Remove the 4.1* versions - after a delay (a few days, a
 week, whatever, depending on how often your users are likely to
 update); in the changelog note that users should expect a
 downgrade and it is ok to do so.  As a minimum, delay until
 you're sure (1) and (2) have reached the rsync mirrors.

  4) Get 1.2*, 1.4* stablilised some time later in the normal way.

Actually a quick scan of the tree shows there's nothing affected by (2)
so that step can be skipped. I'd recommend still having a delay between
the copy (1) and the removals (3) - at least long enough for the copies
to propogate to the rsync mirrors before the removals happen (I'd
probably do the copy one day, check that got through ok the next day
and do the removals then). Noting the expected downgrade in the
changelog when the higher-numbers are removed is important (this is
what users will see if they do emerge -l).

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[gentoo-dev] Last rites: www-servers/plb

2007-03-19 Thread Raúl Porcel
# Raúl Porcel armin76 at gentoo dot org (19 Mar 2007)
# Pending removal 18 May 2007, for treecleaners
# Bug 150966, doesn't work with gcc4 and no new version for 4+ years
www-servers/plb
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[gentoo-dev] Re: moving USE=server to global

2007-03-19 Thread Steve Long
 if you're going to change the topic mid-thread, then you should update
 the subject

Ah apologies for that; I just wanted to get the technical objection.

 you already know the state of the server/client debate ... moving it to
 global doesnt fix any of the short comings, so it should stay local (and
 removed where possible)

Well, I'm aware of the debate; I still haven't heard a convincing
*technical* argument against (and i have searched this list.) Your position
is fairly clear; can you enlighten usrs as to why you take that stance? I
must be missing something..

http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-525893.html if you feel this is
cluttering the dev list with a usr prob.

 Yeah -- server is way too generic. I've forgotten where else I use it,
 but when I build vnc I use it to get a VNC server. Maybe make a local
 vnc-server USE flag for that one.
 
I don't see what is so dangerous about a server flag. After all I don't set
doc globally, but it is a useful global flag, with clear intent, as would
be server.

If usr sets server on a box in make.conf, against advice, they still have to
actually emerge the pkgs they want, after all. So it's not like it's going
to lead to a mass of bloat (unlike the current setup.)


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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: moving USE=server to global

2007-03-19 Thread Jim Ramsay
Steve Long wrote:
 I don't see what is so dangerous about a server flag. After all I
 don't set doc globally, but it is a useful global flag, with clear
 intent, as would be server.

Does it mean:

A) Compile just the server, as leaving it off compiles both client
AND server

B) Compile the client AND server, as leaving it off compiles ONLY the
client

C) All of the above

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Re: [gentoo-dev] My turn to wear the cursed medalion of retirement

2007-03-19 Thread Jim Ramsay
/me reads one Scroll of Blessing

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Distrowatch

2007-03-19 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Fri, 2007-03-16 at 21:28 -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote:
 On Wednesday 14 March 2007, Caleb Cushing wrote:
Perhaps they're more
   interested in generating ad revenue from whipped-up scandals...
 
  or maybe they have a point.  distrowatch hpd ranking show's us down from a
  few years ago we were
 
 those rankings are less significant/accurate than slashdot polls ;)

Seriously.

Everybody go to distrowatch and click on the little Gentoo no the right
and watch what happens.  If we got everybody to do it, then suddenly
Gentoo must be the most popular distribution on the planet!

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[gentoo-dev] Re: My turn to wear the cursed medalion of retirement

2007-03-19 Thread Steve Long
Alexandre Buisse wrote:
 I think the time has come for me to retire as a gentoo dev. There are
 multiple reasons to that, but mainly, it has stopped being fun a good
 while ago, and I don't like where I see the project heading.

Man well if it stopped being fun, fair enuff. I hope you'll continue to use
gentoo and contribute without the grief.

 I'm also worried of how more and more things get done secretly, be it
 because we don't want bad PR or because feedback at this stage would
 only slow things down. We shouldn't consider users as idiots or people
 from whom we need to hide. This is free software, remember?

I didn't realise things were done secretly (of course ;) There's always
going to be people discussing stuff in private, but at least the council
meetings are in public.

++ to your sentiments about usrs. From what I can see, too many devs look
down on them (despite having started off as usrs.) For that reason alone, I
am really sad to see you go.

Sorry I missed in the other post about that you were leaving. Especially as
I use tex for my academic work..

 Another thing that I dislike are the rules that get added everywhere.
 There is a growing layer of bureaucracy, and I really don't think we
 want to go in this direction. It restricts freedom, it takes time and
 energy and it encourages playing by the rule book which I thought was
 opposed to the very spirit of free software. More rules won't help us
 solving whatever problems we may have, but it will certainly make the
 project less fun to work on.

TBH I think all that was needed was saying that the pre-existing rules apply
to all on the dev m-l, and actually *enforcing* those rules for devs.
Devrel is clearly not set up for that, so I support the new dev-mods (sorry
proctors is a silly name imnsho as only Americans get it. I understand from
a US buddy that a proctor is someone who gives you an aural examination cf
viva. I /really/ dislike that connotation.)
 
 I see a general trend, sometimes wished for, of becoming a business-like
 environment. Including a proper hierarchy and a rule enforcement
 department. Well, I'll tell you what: I don't want a boss, especially on
 a voluntary project. And, though I perfectly understand that this is not
 shared by everyone else, I couldn't care less about being a business or
 not.

Amen to that; I don't think working on a Free project precludes standards of
behaviour tho. And like it or not, someone has to enforce them.

 To end my list of griefs, I really dislike the fact that people with a
 gentoo.org address think of themselves as somehow better than users (I
 don't throw the stone to anyone, I certainly did indulge in this as
 well). I feel that gentoo is not enough about users, and that they don't
 get even the respect everyone deserves. Unfortunately, projects like
 userrel can only do so much when the real problem is in everyone's
 mindset. And I don't really see a solution to this problem being found
 anytime soon, since the said problem isn't even acknowledged.

Well at least a *dev* has said it now ;)

 I'm aware that in a perfect world, I would stay on board and try to
 steer the project in a direction that I would like. I tried that for a
 bit and it was quite obvious that I wouldn't be supported by a
 significant part of the community. And I don't have the time nor energy
 to lobby this properly. I had some ideas for a metastructure proposal
 that would perhaps have helped some of the issues I talked about, but I
 honestly don't think it would have stood any chance of being accepted,
 especially since it would have meant suppressing the council power *and*
 would have needed to be voted by the same council.

I think you're underestimating the *current* council. But meh, you've left
now.

snip 
 As a final word (sorry, this got a bit longer than planned), let me say
 that if I sounded bitter in the beginning of this email, it's only
 because I care a lot about gentoo, and I hope that this email, in its
 modest way, will help making it a little bit better.

Thanks for your clear reasoning. I'm really sorry that gentoo has lost yet
another dev, and that you've had such a bad experience recently. My
apologies to you for any part I have played in that.

Good luck, mate!


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[gentoo-dev] Re: Re: moving USE=server to global

2007-03-19 Thread Steve Long
Jim Ramsay wrote:
 Steve Long wrote:
 I don't see what is so dangerous about a server flag. After all I
 don't set doc globally, but it is a useful global flag, with clear
 intent, as would be server.
 
 Does it mean:
 
 A) Compile just the server, as leaving it off compiles both client
 AND server
 
 B) Compile the client AND server, as leaving it off compiles ONLY the
 client
 
 C) All of the above
 
B, as asked for by many usrs. Does that cause other issues I am simply not
seeing?


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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Distrowatch

2007-03-19 Thread Michael Krelin

Seriously.

Everybody go to distrowatch and click on the little Gentoo no the right
and watch what happens.  If we got everybody to do it, then suddenly
Gentoo must be the most popular distribution on the planet!


Is that going to prove anything but Gentoo supporters infancy?

Love,
H
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[gentoo-dev] Re: My turn to wear the cursed medalion of retirement

2007-03-19 Thread Christian Faulhammer
Alexandre Buisse [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 - tex is basically unmaintained. Perhaps ehmsen can be talked out of
   MIA, though I guess he's pretty busy at the moment, and Opfer also
   seemed quite interested. I've received a couple offers from users
 who would like to get more involved but so far no one really helped
 much with bugs. The new tex guy will also have the big task of
 preparing the switch from tetex to texlive.

 Although I am interested I know that I neither have enough skills nor
do I have enough time for maintaining that beast.  But if anybody wants
help and advise I will gladly be there.
 Thanks for the work and have fun with whatever you do from now on.

V-Li


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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: My turn to wear the cursed medalion of retirement

2007-03-19 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Mon, 19 Mar 2007 17:17:19 +, Steve Long wrote:

 TBH I think all that was needed was saying that the pre-existing rules
 apply to all on the dev m-l, and actually *enforcing* those rules for
 devs. Devrel is clearly not set up for that, so I support the new
 dev-mods (sorry proctors is a silly name imnsho as only Americans get
 it. I understand from a US buddy that a proctor is someone who gives
 you an aural examination cf viva. I /really/ dislike that connotation.)

That's a US-only usage. The British meaning is an officer... appointed
annually and having mainly disciplinary functions[1], which sums up the
post pretty accurately.

[1] Oxford English Dictionary


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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Distrowatch

2007-03-19 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Mon, 2007-03-19 at 18:54 +0100, Michael Krelin wrote:
  Seriously.
  
  Everybody go to distrowatch and click on the little Gentoo no the right
  and watch what happens.  If we got everybody to do it, then suddenly
  Gentoo must be the most popular distribution on the planet!
 
 Is that going to prove anything but Gentoo supporters infancy?

No.  It does prove that Gentoo supporters (at least on this list) have
no sense of humor.  Look at what I was responding to and read what I
said again.  In case you're still not noticing, it was a joke.  It shows
that the distrowatch ranking means absolutely nothing but the number
of times somebody(s) clicked on a link.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Distrowatch

2007-03-19 Thread Jeff Rollin

On 19/03/07, Chris Gianelloni [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On Mon, 2007-03-19 at 18:54 +0100, Michael Krelin wrote:
  Seriously.
 
  Everybody go to distrowatch and click on the little Gentoo no the right
  and watch what happens.  If we got everybody to do it, then suddenly
  Gentoo must be the most popular distribution on the planet!

 Is that going to prove anything but Gentoo supporters infancy?

No.  It does prove that Gentoo supporters (at least on this list) have
no sense of humor.  Look at what I was responding to and read what I
said again.  In case you're still not noticing, it was a joke.  It shows
that the distrowatch ranking means absolutely nothing but the number
of times somebody(s) clicked on a link.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Distrowatch

2007-03-19 Thread Michael Krelin

On Mon, 2007-03-19 at 18:54 +0100, Michael Krelin wrote:

Seriously.

Everybody go to distrowatch and click on the little Gentoo no the right
and watch what happens.  If we got everybody to do it, then suddenly
Gentoo must be the most popular distribution on the planet!

Is that going to prove anything but Gentoo supporters infancy?


No.  It does prove that Gentoo supporters (at least on this list) have
no sense of humor.  Look at what I was responding to and read what I
said again.  In case you're still not noticing, it was a joke.  It shows
that the distrowatch ranking means absolutely nothing but the number
of times somebody(s) clicked on a link.


I am sorry then. I mistook seriously as relating to the rest of your 
letter, not the one you were answering to. The sad part is that it's not 
improbable that it could be serious. After all, I think you can't help 
noticing that rankings were brought up somehow.



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H
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[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-core] My turn to wear the cursed medalion of retirement

2007-03-19 Thread Roy Bamford

On 2007.03.19 00:10, Alexandre Buisse wrote:

Hi,

[snip resignation]




Alexandre,

We have not worked together and have only spoken briefly on IRC. OSS is  
a kind of anarchy, you only get what you fight for.


Your post contains a lot of good ideas, even though it comes over as as  
words from a weary solider.


Have a rest from Gentoo but please come back and fight for your corner.  
By leaving, you reduce the numbers that share your ideals.


Whatever you decide, I wish your well for the future,

Regards,

Roy Bamford
(NeddySeagoon)

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-core] My turn to wear the cursed medalion of retirement

2007-03-19 Thread Alexandre Buisse
On Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 21:34:09 +0100, Roy Bamford wrote:

 On 2007.03.19 00:10, Alexandre Buisse wrote:
 Hi,
 [snip resignation]
 
 
 Alexandre,
 
 We have not worked together and have only spoken briefly on IRC. OSS is  
 a kind of anarchy, you only get what you fight for.

Yes, and it's probably one of the reasons I like it so much. But your
work also depends on other people, and the community is far from being
anarchist (so far at least :)).

 
 Your post contains a lot of good ideas, even though it comes over as as  
 words from a weary solider.
 
 Have a rest from Gentoo but please come back and fight for your corner.  
 By leaving, you reduce the numbers that share your ideals.

That's true, but I also expect a certain amount of fun for something I
do on a voluntary basis. If I spend all my time fighting, even for ideas
that I think are good, I expect it to quickly become a pain for me as
well as for others who do not share my views. Besides, I also respect
that other people can have different opinions on those matters and if
I'm more or less alone to think in some way, I shouldn't try to force
people to my views.

 
 Whatever you decide, I wish your well for the future,

Thanks!

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: My turn to wear the cursed medalion of retirement

2007-03-19 Thread Christopher Sawtell

 TBH I think all that was needed was saying that the pre-existing rules
 apply to all on the dev m-l, and actually *enforcing* those rules for devs.
 Devrel is clearly not set up for that, so I support the new dev-mods (sorry
 proctors is a silly name imnsho as only Americans get it. I understand from
 a US buddy that a proctor is someone who gives you an aural examination cf
 viva. I /really/ dislike that connotation.)
quote source='The Oxford English Dictionary'

Proctor.

...

b. In modern use, as at Oxford and Cambridge, each of two officers appointed 
annually to discharge various functions in connexion with the meetings of the 
University and its various Boards, the examinations and conferment of 
degrees, and the like; they are also charged with the discipline of all 
persons 'in statu pupillari', and the summary punishment of minor offences.
/quote

Seems to me that the use of the word 'proctor' is particularly apposite.

This absolutely ridiculous outburst of pseudo-legalistic onanism would have 
been avoided entirely if everybody using the lists had taken the Golden 
Rule Do unto others as you would have them do unto you to heart.
For e-mail lists the other rule is simply Don't feed the trolls.

Viewing of Google Tech talk How Open Source Projects Survive Poisonous 
People http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4216011961522818645
is recommended.

Let's just get over it.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: moving USE=server to global

2007-03-19 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky

Steve Long wrote:

Yeah -- server is way too generic. I've forgotten where else I use it,
but when I build vnc I use it to get a VNC server. Maybe make a local
vnc-server USE flag for that one.



I don't see what is so dangerous about a server flag. After all I don't set
doc globally, but it is a useful global flag, with clear intent, as would
be server.

If usr sets server on a box in make.conf, against advice, they still have to
actually emerge the pkgs they want, after all. So it's not like it's going
to lead to a mass of bloat (unlike the current setup.)
  
Actually, on my systems, about the only USE flags I *don't* set globally 
in make.conf are doc, examples and source. There are very few 
conflicts from this, and just about everything in my package.use file is 
either making the documentation and examples or suppressing an option 
for a package where it doesn't work. It turns out to be easier for me to 
manage things that way than to have a humongous package.use and a few 
options in make.conf.


  



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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Distrowatch

2007-03-19 Thread Philip Webb
070319 Michael Krelin wrote:
 someone wrote :
 Seriously.
 Everybody go to distrowatch and click on the little Gentoo on the right
 I mistook seriously as relating to the rest of your letter

Your name suggests you're not a native speaker.
It's a common trick of stand-up comedians
to introduce their next joke with But seriously, folks ...  (smile).

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[gentoo-dev] clanlib-0.6 and friends masked for removal

2007-03-19 Thread Michael Sterrett -Mr. Bones.-

# Michael Sterrett [EMAIL PROTECTED] (19 Mar 2007)
# masked for removal in April.
# Old and nasty.  Not supported by upstream.
# use the newer versions of clanlib instead.
=dev-games/clanlib-0.6*
media-libs/hermes
games-sports/trophy
games-action/clanbomber
games-puzzle/pingus

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Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] Add a couple new warnings to QA check

2007-03-19 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Monday 19 March 2007, Kevin F. Quinn wrote:
 To this end it would also be useful if the QA notices were _all_ sent to
 the elog report; the Files were installed with user/group portage one
 is, but I don't think any of the others are.

add qa to your elog classes and any messages that still arent sent arent 
properly using the eqawarn func and should be trivial to fix
-mike


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Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] Add a couple new warnings to QA check

2007-03-19 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Monday 19 March 2007, Petteri Räty wrote:
 Is eqawarn something we can use in eclasses? We have quite a few QA
 checks in the java eclasses that could potentially make use of this
 function. If it's not part of the public API we can of course just if it
 exists and fall back to echo.

it isnt part of the PMS ... so it'd need to be added
-mike


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Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] Add a couple new warnings to QA check

2007-03-19 Thread Petteri Räty
Mike Frysinger kirjoitti:
 On Monday 19 March 2007, Petteri Räty wrote:
 Is eqawarn something we can use in eclasses? We have quite a few QA
 checks in the java eclasses that could potentially make use of this
 function. If it's not part of the public API we can of course just if it
 exists and fall back to echo.
 
 it isnt part of the PMS ... so it'd need to be added
 -mike

I don't see it being important enough to warrant a place in EAPI=0.
EAPI=1 for sure.

Regards,
Petteri



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