Re: [gentoo-dev] What to do when Python 2.5 is blocking your package from entering stable? (Agenda for next council meeting?)
Samuli Suominen wrote: I don't know about you, but when a package can't be stabled because it's depending on Python 2.5 and current stable is broken I'd like to start reverting stable keywords back to ~arch as noone wants to maintain broken junk. Latest being app-cdr/gtkcdlabel, and media-video/gaupol. Perhaps it should be a council agenda? Not much different from slacking arches, it's simple, lack of active devs. What I would prefer, of course, is a list from one of python members to get it into stable but have no expetations, since I've asked it many times past 1-2 years. Unless there are any objections from the rest of the Python project, I'll try to get this done within the next 24 hours. -- gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
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Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Fri, 20 Jun 2008 00:17:56 +0400 Ivan Chernyavsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Recently I've subscribed to this list because I thought this is the right way to start being involved in Gentoo development process --- I thought technical discussions are of most importance here. You are sadly mistaken... snip Once again, all accusations and no proof. -- gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
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Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Thu, 19 Jun 2008 22:48:02 + Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ciaran McCreesh wrote: | On Fri, 20 Jun 2008 00:17:56 +0400 | * have some insane paranoid conviction that Freenode staff are the | ones busy spying on everything they say, whilst conveniently | forgetting to notice that Gentoo's own infra team and current | Council nomination group includes the person who abused root powers | to sniff out lilo's password and give it to the GNAA. Are you ready to back up this claim by presenting some evidence? If not, are you ready to accept the consequence of spreading such FUD? I'm sure you could ask Freenode and the developer in question for on the record statements, if you're interested. I'd be careful, that is potentially libellous. -- gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-dev] Re: What to do when Python 2.5 is blocking your package from entering stable? (Agenda for next council meeting?)
Rob Cakebread wrote: Samuli Suominen wrote: I don't know about you, but when a package can't be stabled because it's depending on Python 2.5 and current stable is broken I'd like to start reverting stable keywords back to ~arch as noone wants to maintain broken junk. Latest being app-cdr/gtkcdlabel, and media-video/gaupol. Perhaps it should be a council agenda? Not much different from slacking arches, it's simple, lack of active devs. What I would prefer, of course, is a list from one of python members to get it into stable but have no expetations, since I've asked it many times past 1-2 years. Unless there are any objections from the rest of the Python project, I'll try to get this done within the next 24 hours. I think it's good to go. -- gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
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Ciaran McCreesh wrote: Mike Auty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm quite happy to continue working in a friendly helpful environment, where simple questions are most often met with patient answers and people are given the chance to learn, improve and help out where they can. I'm happy to keep quietly maintaining my ebuilds and let the people whose packages I package come up with the new stuff. You don't seem to be, so perhaps this isn't the right place for you to contribute? ~ If you do want to contribute, perhaps you could consider the environment you're working in, and be more accommodating to it rather than fighting against it? The environment is a large part of Gentoo's problem. The focus needs to be taken away from the 'community' (where community means a bunch of Ubuntu users who make lots of noise on the forums) and put back into delivering a decent distribution. But people will never agree on where to draw that line. While Mike wants a friendly helpful environment, where simple questions are most often met with patient answers and people are given the chance to learn, improve and help out where they can, you want everybody to be 100% proficient. Now, here's the point: if only those people ever spoke who are 100% sure that they're 100% proficient, there would probably be only 1-2 people left to discuss an issue. That is not just shutting out a bunch of Ubuntu users who make lots of noise on the forums (I don't think that's an adequate definition for 'community', btw), but also lots of experienced users and actually most of Gentoo's developers. Additionally, you can have such a discussion in private. You say you're trying to improve Gentoo. Fine. You say you want to do this fast. Fine as well. But you have to realize that fast won't work without support from your user base. After all, most Gentoo users aren't here to just to use the great package manager. They want to understand their system. (If they didn't, they were off to use Ubuntu/... anyway.) But now here you come, saying Great new feature, has to be that way, won't explain to all of you uninformed people. I don't want you to explain every bit. But if someone raises a concern or has a question (and I expect him to have thought about what he's saying before doing so), you just continue acting like that. So, how can you possibly expect any support? -- Thomas Pani -- gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: What to do when Python 2.5 is blocking your package from entering stable? (Agenda for next council meeting?)
On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 9:34 AM, Tiziano Müller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rob Cakebread wrote: Samuli Suominen wrote: I don't know about you, but when a package can't be stabled because it's depending on Python 2.5 and current stable is broken I'd like to start reverting stable keywords back to ~arch as noone wants to maintain broken junk. Latest being app-cdr/gtkcdlabel, and media-video/gaupol. Perhaps it should be a council agenda? Not much different from slacking arches, it's simple, lack of active devs. What I would prefer, of course, is a list from one of python members to get it into stable but have no expetations, since I've asked it many times past 1-2 years. Unless there are any objections from the rest of the Python project, I'll try to get this done within the next 24 hours. I think it's good to go. There are a few things which need some kind of action before/during python 2.5 stabilization: Needs stabilization: * dev-python/python-bibtext-1.2.3 * dev-python/pyvorbis-1.4-r3 (a bit buggy, debian has patches for 1.3, some of them can be ported) * tinyerp? http://qa.mandriva.com/show_bug.cgi?id=31554 * dev-libs/xapian-1.0.6 * dev-libs/xapian-bindings-1.0.6 * dev-python/pygame-1.8.0 (buggy, I have patches from trunk, we might want to wait to 1.8.1) * dev-python/soappy-0.12.0 (bug #216385) Needs fix: * x11-misc/qterm (bug #216466) * dev-db/rekall (bug #141068) - needs bump, probably this is going to be p.masked and eventually removed from the tree Regards, -- Santiago M. Mola Jabber ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ���^�X��� ��(��j)b�b�
[gentoo-dev] Re: What to do when Python 2.5 is blocking your package from entering stable? (Agenda for next council meeting?)
Hi, Santiago M. Mola [EMAIL PROTECTED]: There are a few things which need some kind of action before/during python 2.5 stabilization: We have bug 178800, too. Either mark individual stabilisation bugs blocking it or add them to 178800 when ccing arches. And I don't think one or two packages should hold up that Python 2.5 V-Li -- Christian Faulhammer, Gentoo Lisp project URL:http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/lisp/, #gentoo-lisp on FreeNode URL:http://www.faulhammer.org/ signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Fri, 20 Jun 2008 10:40:47 +0200 Thomas Pani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But people will never agree on where to draw that line. While Mike wants a friendly helpful environment, where simple questions are most often met with patient answers and people are given the chance to learn, improve and help out where they can, you want everybody to be 100% proficient. No, I want people to be reasonably proficient, and to be honest and ask when they're not. -- Ciaran McCreesh signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Fri, 2008-06-20 at 07:30 +0100, George Prowse wrote: Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Thu, 19 Jun 2008 22:48:02 + Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ciaran McCreesh wrote: | On Fri, 20 Jun 2008 00:17:56 +0400 | * have some insane paranoid conviction that Freenode staff are the | ones busy spying on everything they say, whilst conveniently | forgetting to notice that Gentoo's own infra team and current | Council nomination group includes the person who abused root powers | to sniff out lilo's password and give it to the GNAA. Are you ready to back up this claim by presenting some evidence? If not, are you ready to accept the consequence of spreading such FUD? I'm sure you could ask Freenode and the developer in question for on the record statements, if you're interested. I'd be careful, that is potentially libellous. No, for two reasons. No one is named, and you can't libel anonymous. Also if it's true, it's not libel. Regards, Ferris -- Ferris McCormick (P44646, MI) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Developer, Gentoo Linux (Devrel, Sparc, Userrel, Trustees) signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [gentoo-dev] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 2008-06-20 07:25, George Prowse uttered these thoughts: Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Fri, 20 Jun 2008 00:17:56 +0400 Ivan Chernyavsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Recently I've subscribed to this list because I thought this is the right way to start being involved in Gentoo development process --- I thought technical discussions are of most importance here. You are sadly mistaken... snip Once again, all accusations and no proof. How much _technical_ discussion have you seen on the list lately? -- () The ASCII Ribbon Campaign - against HTML Email /\ and proprietary formats. pgpetu6ClyyzR.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
How much _technical_ discussion have you seen on the list lately? That's right, this thread belongs to gentoo-project or gentoo-flamewars or gentoo-give-me-a-break mailing list ;) -- Sergio D. Rodríguez Inclan - http://sergio.dicyt-usfx.edu.bo | srinclan @ dicyt-usfx.edu.bo Cel: 79302244 Linux User #446728 -- http://counter.li.org/ Fingerprint: 0C48 829A 40D0 27E7 3B2D D7C3 17A0 A0AF 3291 CFEE ZeRoX in irc.freenode.org --
Re: [gentoo-dev] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 12:10:56PM +, Ferris McCormick wrote: No, for two reasons. No one is named, and you can't libel anonymous. A group of people is named though, but we're getting into discussions about details here. Also if it's true, it's not libel. Is it? Ciaran failed to provide evidence - if you make such a statement you really should be able to back it up. BUT: In any case, this is the gentoo-dev list, and even if it were true this would still be the wrong place to discuss this. Hell, we have gentoo-project, and it would be even off topic there. So please everyone, let this thread die and get back to doing something useful. cheers, Wernfried -- Wernfried Haas (amne) - amne (at) gentoo.org Gentoo Forums - http://forums.gentoo.org forum-mods (at) gentoo.org #gentoo-forums (freenode) pgpWtEQfUANoW.pgp Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-dev] Re: Re: What to do when Python 2.5 is blocking your package from entering stable? (Agenda for next council meeting?)
Santiago M. Mola yazmış: There are a few things which need some kind of action before/during python 2.5 stabilization: Needs stabilization: * dev-python/python-bibtext-1.2.3 Already done. #194810 * dev-python/pyvorbis-1.4-r3 (a bit buggy, debian has patches for 1.3, some of them can be ported) * tinyerp? http://qa.mandriva.com/show_bug.cgi?id=31554 This is m-needed and shouldn't prevent stabling. If anyone cares to fix it we can work on a proxy-maint solution. * dev-libs/xapian-1.0.6 * dev-libs/xapian-bindings-1.0.6 What's wrong with these? xapian-bindings builds fine here with python enabled using python-2.5 and I couldn't find a related bug report. * dev-python/pygame-1.8.0 (buggy, I have patches from trunk, we might want to wait to 1.8.1) I couldn't find a bug report related to this either. Care to submit a bug report with the patches? * dev-python/soappy-0.12.0 (bug #216385) #228535 Needs fix: * x11-misc/qterm (bug #216466) We need ppc and x86 teams to stable 0.5.2. * dev-db/rekall (bug #141068) - needs bump, probably this is going to be p.masked and eventually removed from the tree /me looks at KDE team. Regards, -- Regards, Ali Polatel pgp2XCvJcCFia.pgp Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-dev] Re: What to do when Python 2.5 is blocking your package from entering stable? (Agenda for next council meeting?)
Samuli Suominen yazmış: Perhaps it should be a council agenda? I think we can get it stable before the next council meeting ;) -- Regards, Ali Polatel pgpNUct0SMpL2.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Removing .la files...
Hi folks, why not just introducing an staticlib useflag: when disabling this, all the static library stuff is kicked off. For those libs where the static stuff is needed, just leave it enabled. And packages which really depend on static libs could check for the proper useflags. cu -- - Enrico Weigelt== metux IT service - http://www.metux.de/ - Please visit the OpenSource QM Taskforce: http://wiki.metux.de/public/OpenSource_QM_Taskforce Patches / Fixes for a lot dozens of packages in dozens of versions: http://patches.metux.de/ - -- gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-dev] Gentoo Council 2008/2009 Elections - You may vote now.
Hi guys, The voting part of the election has just started and will last for next two weeks (until July 4th, 23:59 UTC). In case you forgot, here are the rules: All active Gentoo developers are eligible to vote. To do that, you should login to dev.gentoo.org and run the following commands: 1. votify --new council2008 - This creates a new ballot in your homedir. 2. Edit the .ballot-council2008 file and rank the candidates. 3. Once you're sure, run votify --verify council2008 to check the validity of the ballot. 4. If that goes through fine, the next and final step is to submit your vote using votify --submit council2008 5. If you're stuck, use votify --help or go to #gentoo-elections (on freenode) and ask officials for help Good luck and thank you for all your votes. Kind regards, Łukasz Damentko
