[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] Automated Package Removal and Addition Tracker, for the week ending 2008-08-10 23h59 UTC
On 2008-08-11 02:15, Robin H. Johnson wrote: Removals: www-apps/knowledgetree 2008-08-09 21:22:58 hoffie dev-php4/ZendOptimizer 2008-08-09 21:53:34 robbat2 dev-php4/adodb-ext 2008-08-09 21:53:34 robbat2 dev-php4/creole 2008-08-09 21:53:35 robbat2 dev-php4/eaccelerator 2008-08-09 21:53:36 robbat2 dev-php4/ffmpeg-php 2008-08-09 21:53:36 robbat2 dev-php4/jargon 2008-08-09 21:53:37 robbat2 dev-php4/jpgraph2008-08-09 21:53:38 robbat2 dev-php4/pecl-apc 2008-08-09 21:53:38 robbat2 dev-php4/pecl-crack 2008-08-09 21:53:39 robbat2 dev-php4/pecl-fileinfo 2008-08-09 21:53:41 robbat2 dev-php4/pecl-http 2008-08-09 21:53:41 robbat2 dev-php4/pecl-id3 2008-08-09 21:53:42 robbat2 dev-php4/pecl-imagick 2008-08-09 21:53:43 robbat2 dev-php4/pecl-json 2008-08-09 21:53:43 robbat2 dev-php4/pecl-mailparse 2008-08-09 21:53:44 robbat2 dev-php4/pecl-memcache 2008-08-09 21:53:45 robbat2 dev-php4/pecl-pdflib2008-08-09 21:53:46 robbat2 dev-php4/pecl-ps2008-08-09 21:53:47 robbat2 dev-php4/pecl-radius2008-08-09 21:53:47 robbat2 dev-php4/pecl-sqlite2008-08-09 21:53:48 robbat2 dev-php4/pecl-tidy 2008-08-09 21:53:49 robbat2 dev-php4/pecl-translit 2008-08-09 21:53:49 robbat2 dev-php4/pecl-yaz 2008-08-09 21:53:50 robbat2 dev-php4/pecl-zip 2008-08-09 21:53:51 robbat2 dev-php4/php-java-bridge2008-08-09 21:53:51 robbat2 dev-php4/phpdbg 2008-08-09 21:53:52 robbat2 dev-php4/phpunit2008-08-09 21:53:53 robbat2 dev-php4/suhosin2008-08-09 21:53:54 robbat2 dev-php4/syck-php-bindings 2008-08-09 21:53:54 robbat2 dev-php4/xcache 2008-08-09 21:53:55 robbat2 dev-php4/xdebug 2008-08-09 21:53:55 robbat2 Actually, all those were removed by robbat2 on behalf of me (directly on the CVS server for performance reasons) and I doubt robbat2 wants to be listed as the contact in case of any b0rkage in this case. ;) So, sed -r 's:^(dev-php4.*)robbat2$:\1hoffie:' if you want to be 100% accurate ;) -- Christian Hoffmann signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
[gentoo-dev] Re: Retirement
Alec Warner wrote: On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 4:18 PM, Nikos Chantziaras [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Donnie Berkholz wrote: On 00:26 Mon 11 Aug , Bo Ørsted Andresen wrote: My retirement is probably long overdue as I haven't really been active for several months. It is now clear to me that Gentoo is not moving in the direction I had wished for and the last council election indicates that most current Gentoo developers appear to be satisfied with this current direction. Therefore farewell. If anybody wants to reach me I can be reached at bo.andresen at zlin.dk. Adios guys, and thanks for all the work you've put into Gentoo while you were here! Best of luck on your future endeavors. They always say that stuff but never bother explaining what the direction they wish for actually is. As a user I get the impression that there's some kind of evil Cabal. Despite our best efforts Gentoo is not a fun-loving community where everyone gets along. If you want to call the fact that the majority of developers want to go in direction 'X' a cabal; then so be it. Many folks are happy at the current pace of development. I imagine these two folks were frustrated at the lack of new features in the ebuild spec that were readily available in kdebuild-1 and decided to move on. More power to them I say. I must apologize for using the word Cabal. I don't know the developers who resigned at all, nor do I have any clue about the reasons they departed. Leaving with a Gentoo is not going in the direction I want is equivalent to Gentoo is going in the wrong direction and makes the resignation sound political. I don't get why anyone would resign because of the ebuild spec, but anyway. Resignations in general don't tend to be too honest. I'm bored dudes, farewell would probably be perfectly fine.
[gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Shall we create a ballot for PROPERTIES value definition proposals?
Zac Medico wrote: Given the vast number of possible choices to consider when defining new PROPERTIES values [1], perhaps we should create a ballot and hold a vote on definitions that people have submitted. I suppose that voters would be able to vote yes or no on each proposed property definition and they would also be able to write in one or more alternative names for the definition. That makes a lot of sense, although I'm not sure you need to get consensus on which properties should be introduced: if the pm teams all agree a flag is needed, it should be in, imo. Names would be better to throw out for wider consensus, due to the i18n and the fact that pm users will need to type them in.. I don't know what the best method(s) to carry out a vote like this would be. Does anybody have any suggestions? How about a poll in portage programming for each flag under consideration, with options for names being considered? You could add a Some other name which I will suggest in a post option. No this flag is a bad idea should come from the dev ml imo, with the reasons explained and discussed fully.
[gentoo-dev] Re: Retirement
Bo Ørsted Andresen wrote: My retirement is probably long overdue as I haven't really been active for several months. It is now clear to me that Gentoo is not moving in the direction I had wished for and the last council election indicates that most current Gentoo developers appear to be satisfied with this current direction. Therefore farewell. If anybody wants to reach me I can be reached at bo.andresen at zlin.dk. Sorry to see you go. It's a shame if the technical direction is what you mean, since Gentoo can clearly accomodate different approaches to the same problem (it is source-based after all.) One thing: the door isn't nailed shut, even if new ones are opening ;-) Hope to see you back iow.
[gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] New PROPERTIES=virtual value to identify meta-packages?
Zac Medico wrote:
Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Tue, 05 Aug 2008 22:15:11 -0700
Zac Medico [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Does this seem like a desirable way to represent the virtual
attribute? Any suggestions?
Again, I'm not so sure that this doesn't represent multiple separable
concepts. It seems to imply:
* that the install cost is effectively zero
* that the resolution cost is effectively zero
* that the package does not install any files
* that the package does not use any of the (normal?) ebuild phases, and
so does not require exclusive pkg_* execution or pkg_* system state
preservation.
Can't we just treat them like other ebuilds except for the thing
about dependencies? Perhaps more fine-grained attributes could be
added for additional specificity.
Sounds good. Keep existing keyword working how it is, and add new ones
after.
I'd vote for free-{resolve,install} empty and threadable for the other
concepts.
Re: [gentoo-dev] Retirement
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Ingmar. Ingmar Vanhassel wrote: | Hello list, | | As usual with this kind of mails, this has been long overdue, but it's | about time that I retire from Gentoo. I'm sorry to see you go, but it's not a surprise. Thanks for all the hard work in Gentoo and in QT/KDE in particular. It was a pleasure working with you and I've learned much from it. See you around. | For a while Gentoo hasn't been going into a direction I like, and to me | it doesn't look like that's about to change any time soon. Despite attempts | to convince me of the contrary, I'm not sure I see the technical | advancements that I'd like happening, in Gentoo. That aside there're | numerous non-technical problems behind the scenes, that most devs | probably acknowledge by now... | There're other projects in the Free-Software world that I currently | enjoy putting my time into more, I'm sure it's more than obvious to those | of you who know me which... | | So long, | Ingmar Vanhassel, ex-Gentoo KDE developer. | | - -- Regards, Jorge Vicetto (jmbsvicetto) - jmbsvicetto at gentoo dot org Gentoo- forums / Userrel / SPARC / KDE -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkigGeYACgkQcAWygvVEyAJbxQCeKNoJ7YiqArTozsJUBFo8qjTv SpMAni22PCwef+MRgfIuzvi1G58qnq18 =icJr -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [gentoo-dev] Retirement
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Bo. Bo Ørsted Andresen wrote: | My retirement is probably long overdue as I haven't really been active for | several months. I'm sorry to see you go, but it isn't a surprise. Thanks for all the hard work in Gentoo and in QT/KDE in particular. Also ~ thanks for the improvements to the svn eclass. It was good working with you and I've learned much from it. See you around. | It is now clear to me that Gentoo is not moving in the | direction I had wished for and the last council election indicates that most | current Gentoo developers appear to be satisfied with this current direction. | Therefore farewell. If anybody wants to reach me I can be reached at | bo.andresen at zlin.dk. | - -- Regards, Jorge Vicetto (jmbsvicetto) - jmbsvicetto at gentoo dot org Gentoo- forums / Userrel / SPARC / KDE -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkigG1cACgkQcAWygvVEyAJzCwCfT/VZGGG2sw1nspBDpU0izmQy dToAnjxuNtZXAUqVq2wISzUVGPJgnR3d =yVkr -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [gentoo-dev] Retirement
On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 10:56 PM, Ingmar Vanhassel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There're other projects in the Free-Software world that I currently enjoy putting my time into more, I'm sure it's more than obvious to those of you who know me which... Good luck with that project! -- Santiago M. Mola Jabber ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Retirement
2008/8/11 Alec Warner [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Many folks are happy at the current pace of development. I imagine these two folks were frustrated at the lack of new features in the ebuild spec that were readily available in kdebuild-1 and decided to move on. More power to them I say. I'm pretty sure that's the least of their worries.
Re: [gentoo-dev] Retirement
On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 12:26 AM, Bo Ørsted Andresen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My retirement is probably long overdue as I haven't really been active for several months. It is now clear to me that Gentoo is not moving in the direction I had wished for and the last council election indicates that most current Gentoo developers appear to be satisfied with this current direction. Therefore farewell. If anybody wants to reach me I can be reached at bo.andresen at zlin.dk. So long, and see you on the evil side ;-) -- Santiago M. Mola Jabber ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Retirement
On Sun, 10 Aug 2008 21:51:11 -0700 Alec Warner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Despite our best efforts Gentoo is not a fun-loving community where everyone gets along. Actually, I'd say that's a fairly accurate description of the problem. Some people think Gentoo should primarily be a fun-loving community where everyone gets along, whilst others think Gentoo should primarily be a first-rate distribution delivering a quality product. -- Ciaran McCreesh signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Retirement
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Sun, 10 Aug 2008 21:51:11 -0700 Alec Warner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Despite our best efforts Gentoo is not a fun-loving community where everyone gets along. Actually, I'd say that's a fairly accurate description of the problem. Some people think Gentoo should primarily be a fun-loving community where everyone gets along, whilst others think Gentoo should primarily be a first-rate distribution delivering a quality product. You say that as if it is mutually exclusive. I claim that having fun leads to quality products because of motivation and the feedback between people where one challenges the other to do better - I've seen quite a few examples of such interactions in the past, but thanks to depressing monologues by people with too much ego that is becoming more and more rare. Gentoo is supposed to be fun. If it stops being fun only grumpy old men will do the bare minimum to keep things from breaking too badly instead of improving things. Meh. I demand mandatory fun hours twice a week! And a coffee machine. And a pony. Yes! A pony!
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Retirement
Patrick Lauer wrote: If it stops being fun only grumpy old men will do the bare minimum to keep things from breaking too badly instead of improving things. Meh. I demand mandatory fun hours twice a week! And a coffee machine. And a pony. Yes! A pony! Being bitten by the Pony is not fun. Please keep your ponies away from my tools. Thanks A User.
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Retirement
On 11 Aug 2008, at 14:19, Patrick Lauer wrote: Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Sun, 10 Aug 2008 21:51:11 -0700 Alec Warner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Despite our best efforts Gentoo is not a fun-loving community where everyone gets along. Actually, I'd say that's a fairly accurate description of the problem. Some people think Gentoo should primarily be a fun-loving community where everyone gets along, whilst others think Gentoo should primarily be a first-rate distribution delivering a quality product. You say that as if it is mutually exclusive. I claim that having fun leads to quality products because of motivation and the feedback between people where one challenges the other to do better - I've seen quite a few examples of such interactions in the past, but thanks to depressing monologues by people with too much ego that is becoming more and more rare. Gentoo is supposed to be fun. If it stops being fun only grumpy old men will do the bare minimum to keep things from breaking too badly instead of improving things. Meh. I demand mandatory fun hours twice a week! And a coffee machine. And a pony. Yes! A pony! GLEP 57. Coffee machine and Pony Needed. When in need of help, Gentoo needs a knight in shining armour, that usually comes as coffee so to facilitate that we need a coffee machine and a pony. I have just been informed by amne that the pony needs to be pink.
[gentoo-dev] Unmasking of qt 4.4?
Hi, I'm maintaining a package of merkaartor in gentoo, of which the latest version requires qt 4.4. I'll mask that for now, but I'm not really happy with that. I wanted to ask what are the showstoppers for qt 4.4 to get unmasked. The mask is commented with: Masked for testing, various dependencies still need to be updated... I don't like masked for testing comments (we have far to many of them), as it basically tells nothing. Testing what? How long? For the dependencies, I think this isn't a showstopper either, as if you don't have split dependencies on qt, it'll just take the metapackage and everything is like before. So question, what are the showstoppers for qt 4.4? And more general comment, especially on important packages that many people rely on, please provide more informative comments in package mask, e.g. bug numbers. -- Hanno Böck Blog: http://www.hboeck.de/ GPG: 3DBD3B20 Jabber/Mail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-dev] Unmasking of qt 4.4?
Hanno Böck wrote: So question, what are the showstoppers for qt 4.4? And more general comment, especially on important packages that many people rely on, please provide more informative comments in package mask, e.g. bug numbers. Bug numbers should indeed have been provided. The tracker bugs are: #217528 - [Tracker] x11-libs/qt-4.4.0 unmasking #217161 - [Tracker] split Qt 4.4 Mostly it's a question of packages not having split qt-4 deps yet. Other than that, the ebuilds have seen enough testing, as they are needed for kde-4.1 for example, so that is not an issue anymore. For the dependencies, I think this isn't a showstopper either, as if you don't have split dependencies on qt, it'll just take the metapackage and everything is like before. Except that as per bug 217161 nothing should depend on the metapackage. At the moment I'm going through all the remaining open bugs. If things are easy to fix for me I am fixing the deps, otherwise I'm leaving a comment that the package needs fixing ASAP, because I don't want to wait with unmasking qt-4.4 any longer. I hope to be able to do that by tomorrow. (Although I'm still waiting on the remainder of the qt team to officially become a member.) Regards, Ben signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
[gentoo-dev] Re: Retirement
Anthony Metcalf [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted [EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted below, on Mon, 11 Aug 2008 14:31:03 +0100: Patrick Lauer wrote: If it stops being fun only grumpy old men will do the bare minimum to keep things from breaking too badly instead of improving things. Meh. I demand mandatory fun hours twice a week! And a coffee machine. And a pony. Yes! A pony! Being bitten by the Pony is not fun. Please keep your ponies away from my tools. Ooo, and being bit by the pony (or for that matter, anything) in the tools is REALLY not fun!! =8^S -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master. Richard Stallman
[gentoo-dev] Last rites: dev-python/twisted-{pair, xish, flow} and dev-python/twibber (Removal due 11 October 2008)
The following packages have been masked for removal in 30 days. dev-python/twisted-xish dev-python/twisted-pair dev-python/twisted-flow They are either unmaintained or deprecated and they force downgrade on the newly stable dev-python/twisted*-8.1.0 dev-python/twibber is also unmaintained and depends on twisted-xish that is to be removed. See bug #231675 for reference. Best regards, Jesus Rivero
