Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites: media-sound/ogg2mp3

2009-06-22 Thread Samuli Suominen
James Ausmus wrote:
 I might be interested in taking maintainership of this, unless another
 similar function CLI script exists?

Then maybe you want mp32ogg as well? :)



[gentoo-dev] Gentoo Council Reminder for June 25

2009-06-22 Thread Thomas Anderson
(This is late because I was traveling and dev-zero is/was on devaway.)

This is your friendly reminder! Same bat time (typically the 2nd  4th
Thursdays at 2000 UTC / 1600 EST), same bat channel (#gentoo-council @
irc.freenode.net) !

If you have something you'd wish for us to chat about, maybe even vote
on, let us know! Simply reply to this e-mail for the whole Gentoo dev
list to see.

For more info on the Gentoo Council, feel free to browse our homepage:
http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/council/


Attached is the preliminary meeting agenda.


-- 
-
Thomas Anderson
Gentoo Developer
/
Areas of responsibility:
AMD64, Secretary to the Gentoo Council
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Define EAPI development/deployment cycles
-

Last meeting several members expressed support for Ciaran McCreesh's
suggestions[1]. The discussion got sidetracked however and no consensus was
reached.

Goal: Decide on and approve a set of development and deployment guidelines
for future EAPIs.

EAPI 3 Progress
---
zmedico will provide an update on the progress of the implementation in 
portage.
If Brian Harring(ferringb) is present, he will give an update on the 
progress of
the implementation in pkgcore.

Discuss Past Year
-
Since this is the last meeting of the outgoing some asked for a discussion
of the last year's accomplishments and obstacles for the next council to be
aware of. In order for this to be productive the channel may have to be
moderated.

[1]: 
http://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-dev/msg_d3a4758c455fded00608e891f525d3cc.xml


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Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo Council Reminder for June 25

2009-06-22 Thread Petteri Räty
Thomas Anderson wrote:
 (This is late because I was traveling and dev-zero is/was on devaway.)
 
 This is your friendly reminder! Same bat time (typically the 2nd  4th
 Thursdays at 2000 UTC / 1600 EST), same bat channel (#gentoo-council @
 irc.freenode.net) !
 
 If you have something you'd wish for us to chat about, maybe even vote
 on, let us know! Simply reply to this e-mail for the whole Gentoo dev
 list to see.
 
 For more info on the Gentoo Council, feel free to browse our homepage:
 http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/council/
 
 
 Attached is the preliminary meeting agenda.
 
 
 

I think we agreed that we would send comments about the agenda before
the meeting. The agenda presented seems fine to me. I don't see a need
for doing any major votes in the last meeting.

Regards,
Petteri



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Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo Council Reminder for June 25

2009-06-22 Thread Tobias Scherbaum
Petteri Räty wrote:
 I think we agreed that we would send comments about the agenda before
 the meeting. The agenda presented seems fine to me. I don't see a need
 for doing any major votes in the last meeting.

ACKing the agenda, too.

I didn't started to get the deployment part of the eapi-development
and deployment discussion alive, mainly because Ciaranm has made a true
point (we do need testing, of course) and i'm not really sure how to
find a balanced way of clean eapi-deployment while also having extensive
testing in-tree. Plus it seems i'm the only one interested in that
discussion.

  - Tobias

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http://www.mitp.de/5941
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo Council Reminder for June 25

2009-06-22 Thread Ulrich Mueller
 On Mon, 22 Jun 2009, Thomas Anderson wrote:

 Attached is the preliminary meeting agenda.

Agenda is fine with me.


 Define EAPI development/deployment cycles
 -

 Last meeting several members expressed support for Ciaran McCreesh's
 suggestions[1].

I think we should try the outlined procedure for the next EAPI, with
one exception:

| [...] give them all an arbitrary codename that in no way describes
| the feature

To keep it simple we should choose names that roughly describe what
the features are about.

| (so that certain people can't vote and discuss things based upon
| what they think the feature is without bothering to find out if it's
| anything to do with what they assume).

Of course that's not desirable. But can you give a concrete example
where such a thing happened?

Ulrich

 [1]: 
 http://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-dev/msg_d3a4758c455fded00608e891f525d3cc.xml



Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo Council Reminder for June 25

2009-06-22 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 22:13:31 +0200
Ulrich Mueller u...@gentoo.org wrote:
 | (so that certain people can't vote and discuss things based upon
 | what they think the feature is without bothering to find out if it's
 | anything to do with what they assume).
 
 Of course that's not desirable. But can you give a concrete example
 where such a thing happened?

Yup. Some of leio's huge drawn out objections to EAPI 3 that wasted
huge amounts of my time were based upon him only having read the short
name we chose for things.

-- 
Ciaran McCreesh


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[gentoo-dev] USE_EXPAND instead of SANE_BACKENDS for media-gfx/sane-backends

2009-06-22 Thread Patrick Kursawe
Hi all,

I would like to introduce a new USE_EXPAND variable for the about 80
different SANE backends to make it a bit easier than looking into the
source if you want to find possible backends and a bit harder to pick
invalid backend names. Any objections or questions?

Thanks for your feedback,

Patrick



Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo Council Reminder for June 25

2009-06-22 Thread Mart Raudsepp
On E, 2009-06-22 at 21:23 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
 On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 22:13:31 +0200
 Ulrich Mueller u...@gentoo.org wrote:
  | (so that certain people can't vote and discuss things based upon
  | what they think the feature is without bothering to find out if it's
  | anything to do with what they assume).
  
  Of course that's not desirable. But can you give a concrete example
  where such a thing happened?
 
 Yup. Some of leio's huge drawn out objections to EAPI 3 that wasted
 huge amounts of my time were based upon him only having read the short
 name we chose for things.

Thanks for your very detailed concrete examples where such a thing
happened.
And I'm sorry to have wasted your precious time by doing the opposite of
what you claim here and still objecting to things that don't make sense.

Now lets get back to useful things, like giving code names that make
sense and don't need to be looked up with what is actually meant when
they are being referred to in short names.


-- 
Mart Raudsepp
Gentoo Developer
Mail: l...@gentoo.org
Weblog: http://planet.gentoo.org/developers/leio


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