Re: [gentoo-dev] Election for the Gentoo Council empty seat
On 12/24/09 23:50, Roy Bamford wrote: On 2009.12.16 00:36, Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto wrote: Hello. As announced by Denis (Calchan)[1], we need to have an election for the Gentoo Council's empty seat. We'll be putting up a page with all the information for the Council election, including the election officials, asap. I'll send another email later with the link and the missing information, but for now, let me just share the dates for nomination and voting: nomination: December 17th to 30th [snip] Regards, Jorge Vicetto (jmbsvicetto) - jmbsvicetto at gentoo dot org Gentoo- forums / Userrel / Devrel / KDE / Elections I nominate bonsaikitten (Patrick) Thanks Roy. I accept the nomination. wkr, Patrick
[gentoo-dev] QA last rites for sys-apps/sdd
# Diego E. Pettenò flamee...@gentoo.org (27 Dec 2009) # on behalf of QA team # # Package fails to build (second time in a row), bug #298522. # Unneeded, unmaintained, just use the dd from coreutils or # from FreeBSD userland packages. # # Removal on 2010-02-25 sys-apps/sdd
Re: [gentoo-dev] QA last rites for media-gfx/viewer
Samuli == Samuli Suominen ssuomi...@gentoo.org writes: The QA team should generate more patches and fewer kills. Samuli Manpower. Feel free to join up and help. A handful of people Samuli can't fix everything. It would have taken him less effort to fix the bug and commit a new ebuild when he first saw it than it must have taken to file a bug report and then, months later, kill the package. And if he doesn't want to be the one to fix it, it is better to just leave it alone. Samuli If it's broken, it shouldn't be in tree, simple as that. As a user, I can only say bullshit to that. Packages should not go away over trivial issues. That is harmful, not helpful. -JimC -- James Cloos cl...@jhcloos.com OpenPGP: 1024D/ED7DAEA6
Re: [gentoo-dev] QA last rites for media-gfx/viewer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dne 27.12.2009 19:32, James Cloos napsal(a): As a user, I can only say bullshit to that. Packages should not go away over trivial issues. That is harmful, not helpful. That is big false, we can fix it for one time but when it is broken for long period and we fix it there is 99 certainity that package will end up on QA list again because noone else would care about it, so if noone maintains it and it is broken for a quite while its preffered to remove it and maybe readd it back when someone again became interested in it Also we are all volunteers and you are acting like you feel we don't provide what you want. In that case easiest solution is to stop whining and join some gentoo project to help up with maintaining stuff. We have dozens of weak areas so it is quite possible some of them might attract you. If you feel like you don't have time for doing so, we don't have it neither we are already maintaining quite lot stuff ourselves and trying to make whole tree compilable is addition to it. - Tomáš Chvátal Gentoo Linux Developer [KDE/Overlays/QA/X11] E-Mail : scarab...@gentoo.org GnuPG FP: 94A4 5CCD 85D3 DE24 FE99 F924 1C1E 9CDE 0341 4587 GnuPG ID: 03414587 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.13 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAks33U0ACgkQHB6c3gNBRYdwFwCgyzAJYCSIcR6u1z2p3dNOA4WG v3AAni2AZW9swVRpMVJAknQo+cF2/rDn =XkWy -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] Election for the Gentoo Council empty seat
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dne 20.12.2009 15:43, Fabian Groffen napsal(a): I nominate (in no particular order): lu_zero patrick scarabeus Thanks, I will try it :] Maybe someone will vote for me after all :P Anyway, i wont write huge manifesto but these things i would like spent my time: QA propagation (motivating people, explaining why we are doing stuff and so on) Propagating the way If we are not sure, lets ask QA guys, instead of the current approach when there is no-one officially bothering to ask (yep we can reply to the topics regulary but i really want everyone to be one way or another involved in QA) Ricing vs. stabling balance: Currently we have some areas nicely shaped (namely kde or x11 where i can be sure what it does) on the other hand we have large areas of the tree undermaintained (lisp as example from what i can see what is hitting QA bugs). So we need to find a way how to distribute power and motivate people for the weak areas. We also should visualize the output to have it simple to spot (some tool for grumpy probably should do this). So basically my work would be forward good upgrade path and more mature tree as whole not only some parts. Cheers - Tomáš Chvátal Gentoo Linux Developer [KDE/Overlays/QA/X11] E-Mail : scarab...@gentoo.org GnuPG FP: 94A4 5CCD 85D3 DE24 FE99 F924 1C1E 9CDE 0341 4587 GnuPG ID: 03414587 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.13 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAks36rgACgkQHB6c3gNBRYdqagCdFV1MVfkIDGrRs75YOCYvMudg 9roAn2GjY98c5jZnYsn179xR53DbhCsb =/m1B -END PGP SIGNATURE-
[gentoo-dev] Automated Package Removal and Addition Tracker, for the week ending 2009-12-27 23h59 UTC
The attached list notes all of the packages that were added or removed from the tree, for the week ending 2009-12-27 23h59 UTC. Removals: dev-java/jessie 2009-12-23 00:33:20 caster dev-java/blackdown-jre 2009-12-23 00:53:54 caster dev-java/blackdown-jdk 2009-12-23 01:26:54 caster x11-plugins/compiz-fusion-plugins-extra 2009-12-23 02:57:28 jmbsvicetto x11-plugins/compiz-fusion-plugins-main 2009-12-23 02:58:22 jmbsvicetto net-p2p/museek+ 2009-12-23 16:57:49 scarabeus games-arcade/blinkensisters 2009-12-23 17:00:29 scarabeus sys-apps/initng 2009-12-23 17:04:01 scarabeus sys-apps/initng-ifiles 2009-12-23 17:04:02 scarabeus games-rpg/mangos2009-12-23 17:05:42 scarabeus net-misc/tkusr 2009-12-23 17:29:46 scarabeus app-emulation/cedega2009-12-23 17:31:31 scarabeus app-emulation/transgaming-fontinstaller 2009-12-23 17:31:31 scarabeus app-emulation/transgaming-mozctlinstaller 2009-12-23 17:31:31 scarabeus app-text/ghostscript-gnu2009-12-23 17:33:10 scarabeus app-admin/eselect-oracle2009-12-23 17:35:08 scarabeus sys-cluster/mpiexec 2009-12-23 17:43:56 scarabeus net-mail/vimap 2009-12-23 17:45:28 scarabeus net-dialup/kdsl 2009-12-23 20:45:26 ssuominen net-dialup/kmasqdialer 2009-12-23 20:45:27 ssuominen net-dialup/komport 2009-12-23 20:45:27 ssuominen net-dialup/roek 2009-12-23 20:45:28 ssuominen net-dialup/serlook 2009-12-23 20:45:28 ssuominen media-sound/kzenexplorer2009-12-23 20:46:43 ssuominen media-sound/scret 2009-12-23 20:46:43 ssuominen media-sound/transkode 2009-12-23 20:46:44 ssuominen net-misc/x2gokdebindings2009-12-23 20:48:00 ssuominen net-misc/x2gosessionadministration 2009-12-23 20:48:00 ssuominen net-firewall/guarddog 2009-12-23 20:48:54 ssuominen net-firewall/kmyfirewall2009-12-23 20:48:55 ssuominen app-text/kbibtex2009-12-23 20:51:43 ssuominen media-video/kavi2svcd 2009-12-23 20:53:31 ssuominen sci-calculators/abakus 2009-12-23 20:55:10 ssuominen sci-calculators/kconvert2009-12-23 20:55:10 ssuominen sci-calculators/pgcalc2 2009-12-23 20:55:11 ssuominen app-text/knowit 2009-12-23 20:58:04 ssuominen app-mobilephone/ksms2009-12-23 20:59:05 ssuominen dev-db/hk_classes 2009-12-24 12:35:39 ssuominen dev-db/knoda2009-12-24 12:35:40 ssuominen dev-db/kpogre 2009-12-24 12:35:40 ssuominen dev-util/kdbg 2009-12-24 12:37:54 ssuominen dev-util/kprof 2009-12-24 12:37:55 ssuominen app-office/kletterwizard2009-12-25 14:53:12 ssuominen sci-electronics/klogic 2009-12-25 14:54:00 ssuominen sci-visualization/kpl 2009-12-25 14:56:23 ssuominen sci-visualization/labplot 2009-12-25 14:56:23 ssuominen app-editors/kxmleditor 2009-12-25 14:57:04 ssuominen app-editors/emacs-cvs 2009-12-27 19:08:42 ulm Additions: dev-python/timelib 2009-12-21 00:47:00 arfrever dev-python/lockfile 2009-12-21 02:33:23 arfrever kde-misc/kprayertime2009-12-21 13:05:41 ssuominen dev-ruby/rack-test 2009-12-21 14:27:38 flameeyes dev-perl/Panotools-Script 2009-12-21 15:24:11 tove dev-ruby/rake-compiler 2009-12-21 18:40:31 flameeyes app-text/mathtex2009-12-21 20:34:57 pva x11-plugins/pidgintex 2009-12-21 20:39:14 pva dev-ruby/echoe 2009-12-21 22:17:41 flameeyes media-libs/libpgf 2009-12-22 17:53:48 ssuominen x11-plugins/pidgin-knotify 2009-12-22 20:21:06
[gentoo-dev] QA last rites for sys-apps/sdd
# Diego E. Pettenò flamee...@gentoo.org (28 Dec 2009) # on behalf of QA team # # Package fails to build (second time in a row), bug #298522. # Unneeded, unmaintained, just use the dd from coreutils or # from FreeBSD userland packages. # # Removal on 2010-02-26 sys-apps/sdd
[gentoo-dev] QA Documentation
Started new subject since this is only tangentially related to the election. On 12/27/2009 06:16 PM, Tomáš Chvátal wrote: Anyway, i wont write huge manifesto but these things i would like spent my time: QA propagation (motivating people, explaining why we are doing stuff and so on) Could this include documenting QA policies a bit better? Some are documented in scattered docs, some are in the ebuild quiz answers (which of course no two developers have the exact same answers to, and they aren't anywhere you can point to for reference), and many are learned when QA files a bug on a package one maintains. It would be really nice to just have a list somewhere that we could periodically look at and refresh our memories against. Plus, some policies aren't always obvious or can be misinterpreted. Don't get me wrong - the QA team is doing a great job and I love Diego's work on the tinderbox. I've had a bug or two filed by them, and I've found that they've only been helpful when somebody actually bothers to try to resolve them.
[gentoo-dev] Non-free software in Gentoo
Hi, I recently emailed the Gentoo PR team, voicing my concerns about the amount of non-free software within Gentoo. I got an interesting response from Sebastian Pipping, who said that while Gentoo is all about choice, including the choice to install non-free software, the project is interested in making it easy for people to run a 100% free system, should they choose that path. I found out about the license filtering feature in the dev version of portage, and used it to remove all the non-free software from my system. However, it wasn't a perfect experience. Based on what Sebastian had to say, and my own experience using it, I have a few suggestions. 1) Not all of the licenses are completely accurate. For example, the Linux kernels are listed as soley GPL-2, yet they contain blobs of non-free firmware. Perhaps a general-purpose not-free license could be appended to such packages. This would only affect people who choose to use the feature. It could be minused from the FSF-APPROVED group for example. Also relating to this, what is freedist? The package app-text/dos2unix lists 'freedist' as its license, and /usr/portage/licenses/freedist says only Freely Distributable. Several other packages do this, and I'm sure it's not correct. I'm not entirely sure, but I think the dos2unix package is from http://www.thefreecountry.com/tofrodos/, which clearly says its GPLv2. Packages like this could be looked into and fixed. 2) There are no free versions of the kernel in the main tree. The Latin American FSF maintains blob-free kernels at http://www.linux-libre.fsfla.org/pub/linux-libre/releases/. They could be added alongside the official vanilla ebuilds. 3) Some free software packages bring in non-free optional dependencies by default. For example, media-gfx/imagemagick brings in media-fonts/corefonts. As suggested by Sebastian, a free profile could be created, that changes these defaults, to reduce the hassle of maintaining a free system. Again, this would only affect users who choose to use that profile. 4) Using something like ACCEPT_LICENSES=-* @FSF-APPROVED is a good start, but its quite a hassle to keep checking all the licenses. One annoyance is packages like sys-devel/gcc. gcc has the libgcc license, which is just GPLv2+, with some extra permissions granted. Although it's important to make such a distinction, these extra freedoms are irrelevant to license filtering. I suppose the only feasible way to fix this would be to expand the license groups in /usr/portage/profiles/license_groups. Would it cause any problems if they were quite large? Another option might be to introduce an optional IS_FREE=yes/no option to the ebuild files, which could override the other license settings. 5) Documentation on how to set up and maintain a fully free system could be added. To summarize, my general idea is to fix some licensing issues, introduce the libre kernels and have a 100% free profile that would create the least possible amount of hassle for anyone using it. This in turn would make Gentoo more accessible to the free software community, without affecting people that don't use the profile. This is my first post here, so I apologize if it's misdirected. I'm not sure if I'd really be able to help much on the technical side, but if this garners any cooperation, I'll gladly help out with anything I can. If someone could point me in the right direction, I'd be very grateful. Kind Regards, Vincent Launchbury.
