Re: [gentoo-dev] versionator.eclass: convert to eshopts_{push,pop}

2010-07-18 Thread Alec Warner
Can we do away with all the extra foo && return bullshit and just set a trap?

trap "eshopts pop" RETURN

 ?

On Sun, Jul 18, 2010 at 2:29 PM, Mike Frysinger  wrote:
> now that eutils.eclass contains a common version of safely handling shopts
> settings, we can drop the local versionator.eclass code that was handling this
> and convert it to eutils.  seems to work for me, but i rarely use this eclass.
> -mike
>
> --- versionator.eclass  18 Jul 2010 21:24:33 -      1.16
> +++ versionator.eclass  18 Jul 2010 21:29:21 -
> @@ -25,27 +25,7 @@
>  #     version_is_at_least             want      have
>  #  which may be buggy, so use with caution.
>
> -# Quick function to toggle the shopts required for some functions on and off
> -# Used because we can't set extglob in global scope anymore (QA Violation)
> -__versionator_shopt_toggle() {
> -       VERSIONATOR_RECURSION=${VERSIONATOR_RECURSION:-0}
> -       case "$1" in
> -               "on")
> -                       if [[ $VERSIONATOR_RECURSION -lt 1 ]] ;  then
> -                               VERSIONATOR_OLD_EXTGLOB=$(shopt -p extglob)
> -                               shopt -s extglob
> -                       fi
> -                       VERSIONATOR_RECURSION=$(( $VERSIONATOR_RECURSION + 1 
> ))
> -                       ;;
> -               "off")
> -                       VERSIONATOR_RECURSION=$(( $VERSIONATOR_RECURSION - 1 
> ))
> -                       if [[ $VERSIONATOR_RECURSION -lt 1 ]] ; then
> -                               eval $VERSIONATOR_OLD_EXTGLOB
> -                       fi
> -                       ;;
> -       esac
> -       return 0
> -}
> +inherit eutils
>
>  # @FUNCTION: get_all_version_components
>  # @USAGE: [version]
> @@ -58,7 +38,7 @@ __versionator_shopt_toggle() {
>  #     20040905    ->  20040905
>  #     3.0c-r1     ->  3 . 0 c - r1
>  get_all_version_components() {
> -       __versionator_shopt_toggle on
> +       eshopts_push -s extglob
>        local ver_str=${1:-${PV}} result result_idx=0
>        result=( )
>
> @@ -66,7 +46,7 @@ get_all_version_components() {
>        # times.
>        if [[ "${VERSIONATOR_CACHE_VER_STR}" == "${ver_str}" ]] ; then
>                echo ${VERSIONATOR_CACHE_RESULT}
> -               __versionator_shopt_toggle off
> +               eshopts_pop
>                return
>        fi
>        export VERSIONATOR_CACHE_VER_STR="${ver_str}"
> @@ -106,7 +86,7 @@ get_all_version_components() {
>
>        export VERSIONATOR_CACHE_RESULT="${resu...@]}"
>        echo ${resu...@]}
> -       __versionator_shopt_toggle off
> +       eshopts_pop
>  }
>
>  # @FUNCTION: get_version_components
> @@ -120,11 +100,11 @@ get_all_version_components() {
>  #     20040905    ->  20040905
>  #     3.0c-r1     ->  3 0 c r1
>  get_version_components() {
> -       __versionator_shopt_toggle on
> +       eshopts_push -s extglob
>        local c="$(get_all_version_components "${1:-${PV}}")"
>        c=( $...@]//[-._]/ } )
>        echo $...@]}
> -       __versionator_shopt_toggle off
> +       eshopts_pop
>  }
>
>  # @FUNCTION: get_major_version
> @@ -137,11 +117,11 @@ get_version_components() {
>  #     20040905    ->  20040905
>  #     3.0c-r1     ->  3
>  get_major_version() {
> -       __versionator_shopt_toggle on
> +       eshopts_push -s extglob
>        local c
>        c=( $(get_all_version_components "${1:-${PV}}" ) )
>        echo ${c[0]}
> -       __versionator_shopt_toggle off
> +       eshopts_pop
>  }
>
>  # @FUNCTION: get_version_component_range
> @@ -153,7 +133,7 @@ get_major_version() {
>  #    1-2    1.2.3       -> 1.2
>  #    2-     1.2.3       -> 2.3
>  get_version_component_range() {
> -       __versionator_shopt_toggle on
> +       eshopts_push -s extglob
>        local c v="${2:-${PV}}" range="${1}" range_start range_end i=-1 j=0
>        c=( $(get_all_version_components ${v} ) )
>        range_start="${range%-*}" ; range_start="${range_start:-1}"
> @@ -161,17 +141,17 @@ get_version_component_range() {
>
>        while (( j < ${range_start} )) ; do
>                i=$(($i + 1))
> -               [[ $i -gt ${...@]} ]] && __versionator_shopt_toggle off && 
> return
> +               [[ $i -gt ${...@]} ]] && eshopts_pop && return
>                [[ -n "${c[${i}]//[-._]}" ]] && j=$(($j + 1))
>        done
>
>        while (( j <= ${range_end} )) ; do
>                echo -n ${c[$i]}
> -               [[ $i -gt ${...@]} ]] && __versionator_shopt_toggle off && 
> return
> +               [[ $i -gt ${...@]} ]] && eshopts_pop && return
>                [[ -n "${c[${i}]//[-._]}" ]] && j=$(($j + 1))
>                i=$(($i + 1))
>        done
> -       __versionator_shopt_toggle off
> +       eshopts_pop
>  }
>
>  # @FUNCTION: get_after_major_version
> @@ -185,9 +165,9 @@ get_version_component_range() {
>  #     20040905    ->  (empty string)
>  #     3.0c-r1     ->  0c-r1
>  get_after_major_version() {
> -       __versionator_shopt_toggle on
> +       eshopts_push -s extglob
>        echo $(get_ver

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Upcoming Council meeting on July 26th, 1900 UTC

2010-07-18 Thread Dale

Duncan wrote:

Dale posted on Sun, 18 Jul 2010 12:43:43 -0500 as excerpted:

   

It always seemed to me that people want to send threads to -project for
them to just go away.  Once a thread goes to -project, it just whithers
on the vine and nothing much happens.  There may be a need for -project
but if almost no one is going to be there, there is no point sending
threads to it.  Maybe developers should be required to subscribe to
-project so that even if a thread is sent there, they still get to see
the postings and deal with the issues that are being raised.
 

I think that was the point.  Having the list and telling people the topic
belongs there is the polite way of telling them their output's better
directed to /dev/null (which is of course the the geeky *ix way of saying
"shutup already!"), without actually restricting someone's right to make
their point... just that they might as well be posting to their private
diary for the number of others that'll actually read it.

   


Yep, I'm waiting to hear that this needs to be moved to -project any 
time now.


Dale

:-)  :-)



Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Upcoming Council meeting on July 26th, 1900 UTC

2010-07-18 Thread Dale

Piotr Jaroszyński wrote:

On 19 July 2010 01:27, Duncan<1i5t5.dun...@cox.net>  wrote:
   

Dale posted on Sun, 18 Jul 2010 12:43:43 -0500 as excerpted:

 

It always seemed to me that people want to send threads to -project for
them to just go away.  Once a thread goes to -project, it just whithers
on the vine and nothing much happens.  There may be a need for -project
but if almost no one is going to be there, there is no point sending
threads to it.  Maybe developers should be required to subscribe to
-project so that even if a thread is sent there, they still get to see
the postings and deal with the issues that are being raised.
   

I think that was the point.  Having the list and telling people the topic
belongs there is the polite way of telling them their output's better
directed to /dev/null (which is of course the the geeky *ix way of saying
"shutup already!"), without actually restricting someone's right to make
their point... just that they might as well be posting to their private
diary for the number of others that'll actually read it.
 

Yeah, that's exactly a thread that belongs to -project and not -dev.

   


I think you may be missing the point of Duncan's reply.  My point is, 
when someone doesn't want someone with a different way of looking at 
things to post on this list, they tell them to go to -project.  They 
seem to think that some people are stupid and won't realize that what 
they are really saying is to "go away" and/or "shut up".  Thing is, some 
people are actually smart enough to see what is going on and what that 
means.   They sometimes go away, far away.


Then some people wonder why, just why, Gentoo has the reputation that it 
does.  I don't wonder myself.  I figured that out a good long while ago.


Dale

:-)  :-)



Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Upcoming Council meeting on July 26th, 1900 UTC

2010-07-18 Thread Piotr Jaroszyński
On 19 July 2010 01:27, Duncan <1i5t5.dun...@cox.net> wrote:
> Dale posted on Sun, 18 Jul 2010 12:43:43 -0500 as excerpted:
>
>> It always seemed to me that people want to send threads to -project for
>> them to just go away.  Once a thread goes to -project, it just whithers
>> on the vine and nothing much happens.  There may be a need for -project
>> but if almost no one is going to be there, there is no point sending
>> threads to it.  Maybe developers should be required to subscribe to
>> -project so that even if a thread is sent there, they still get to see
>> the postings and deal with the issues that are being raised.
>
> I think that was the point.  Having the list and telling people the topic
> belongs there is the polite way of telling them their output's better
> directed to /dev/null (which is of course the the geeky *ix way of saying
> "shutup already!"), without actually restricting someone's right to make
> their point... just that they might as well be posting to their private
> diary for the number of others that'll actually read it.

Yeah, that's exactly a thread that belongs to -project and not -dev.

-- 
Best Regards
Piotr Jaroszyński



[gentoo-dev] Automated Package Removal and Addition Tracker, for the week ending 2010-07-18 23h59 UTC

2010-07-18 Thread Robin H. Johnson
The attached list notes all of the packages that were added or removed
from the tree, for the week ending 2010-07-18 23h59 UTC.

Removals:
dev-php5/jargon 2010-07-13 11:43:47 mabi
dev-php5/creole 2010-07-13 11:45:30 mabi
net-wireless/bluez-libs 2010-07-13 12:14:36 pacho
net-wireless/bluez-utils2010-07-13 12:14:37 pacho
gnome-extra/gnome-vfs-obexftp   2010-07-13 12:46:52 ssuominen
net-wireless/blueproxy  2010-07-13 12:48:36 ssuominen
media-sound/radiotray   2010-07-14 09:06:26 hwoarang

Additions:
dev-libs/luaevent-prosody   2010-07-12 07:50:53 djc
sys-libs/suacomp2010-07-13 08:33:06 mduft
app-portage/prefix-chain-setup  2010-07-13 09:39:41 mduft
sys-apps/prefix-chain-utils 2010-07-13 09:51:24 mduft
sys-devel/ct-ng 2010-07-13 11:52:08 blueness
media-radio/gpredict2010-07-13 18:26:41 tomjbe
sci-astronomy/kapteyn   2010-07-13 19:25:50 xarthisius
media-radio/radiotray   2010-07-14 09:10:17 hwoarang
app-benchmarks/ramspeed 2010-07-14 14:43:34 hwoarang
sci-chemistry/suitename 2010-07-14 20:15:22 jlec
dev-perl/Text-Aligner   2010-07-15 08:00:59 dev-zero
dev-perl/Text-Table 2010-07-15 08:01:42 dev-zero
dev-perl/Mail-Builder   2010-07-15 08:02:20 dev-zero
dev-perl/Mail-Builder-Simple2010-07-15 08:03:06 dev-zero
dev-perl/PPIx-Utilities 2010-07-15 13:28:59 tove
net-im/qwit 2010-07-15 13:40:54 hwoarang
dev-php/PEAR-Console_Color  2010-07-15 15:55:48 beandog
sys-apps/daemonize  2010-07-15 17:11:12 hwoarang
dev-python/flask-sqlalchemy 2010-07-15 17:43:36 robbat2
media-video/qx11grab2010-07-15 17:47:35 hwoarang
media-gfx/fotoxx2010-07-16 04:47:16 grozin
net-libs/pjsip  2010-07-16 09:47:34 elvanor
app-emulation/virt-what 2010-07-16 21:58:40 cardoe
media-libs/libbluray2010-07-17 02:55:14 beandog
net-zope/zexceptions2010-07-17 16:12:11 arfrever
net-zope/accesscontrol  2010-07-17 16:49:11 arfrever
dev-tcltk/expect-lite   2010-07-17 19:44:49 vapier
net-zope/documenttemplate   2010-07-17 21:36:29 arfrever
sci-chemistry/cluster   2010-07-18 08:27:49 jlec
sci-chemistry/prekin2010-07-18 08:57:09 jlec
sci-chemistry/procheck  2010-07-18 18:16:27 jlec
sci-chemistry/aqua  2010-07-18 19:13:37 jlec

--
Robin Hugh Johnson
Gentoo Linux Developer
E-Mail : robb...@gentoo.org
GnuPG FP   : 11AC BA4F 4778 E3F6 E4ED  F38E B27B 944E 3488 4E85
Removed Packages:
dev-php5/jargon,removed,mabi,2010-07-13 11:43:47
dev-php5/creole,removed,mabi,2010-07-13 11:45:30
net-wireless/bluez-libs,removed,pacho,2010-07-13 12:14:36
net-wireless/bluez-utils,removed,pacho,2010-07-13 12:14:37
gnome-extra/gnome-vfs-obexftp,removed,ssuominen,2010-07-13 12:46:52
net-wireless/blueproxy,removed,ssuominen,2010-07-13 12:48:36
media-sound/radiotray,removed,hwoarang,2010-07-14 09:06:26
Added Packages:
dev-libs/luaevent-prosody,added,djc,2010-07-12 07:50:53
sys-libs/suacomp,added,mduft,2010-07-13 08:33:06
app-portage/prefix-chain-setup,added,mduft,2010-07-13 09:39:41
sys-apps/prefix-chain-utils,added,mduft,2010-07-13 09:51:24
sys-devel/ct-ng,added,blueness,2010-07-13 11:52:08
media-radio/gpredict,added,tomjbe,2010-07-13 18:26:41
sci-astronomy/kapteyn,added,xarthisius,2010-07-13 19:25:50
media-radio/radiotray,added,hwoarang,2010-07-14 09:10:17
app-benchmarks/ramspeed,added,hwoarang,2010-07-14 14:43:34
sci-chemistry/suitename,added,jlec,2010-07-14 20:15:22
dev-perl/Text-Aligner,added,dev-zero,2010-07-15 08:00:59
dev-perl/Text-Table,added,dev-zero,2010-07-15 08:01:42
dev-perl/Mail-Builder,added,dev-zero,2010-07-15 08:02:20
dev-perl/Mail-Builder-Simple,added,dev-zero,2010-07-15 08:03:06
dev-perl/PPIx-Utilities,added,tove,2010-07-15 13:28:59
net-im/qwit,added,hwoarang,2010-07-15 13:40:54
dev-php/PEAR-Console_Color,added,beandog,2010-07-15 15:55:48
sys-apps/daemonize,added,hwoarang,2010-07-15 17:11:12
dev-python/flask-sqlalchemy,added,robbat2,2010-07-15 17:43:36
media-video/qx11grab,added,hwoarang,2010-07-15 17:47:35
media-gfx/fotoxx,added,grozin,2010-07-16 04:47:16
net-libs/pjsip,added,elvanor,2010-07-16 09:47:34
app-emulation/virt-what,added,cardoe,2010-07-16 21:58:40
media-libs/libbluray,added,beandog,2010-07-17 02:55:14
net-zope/zexceptions,added,arfrever,2010-07-17 16:12:11
net-zope/accesscontrol,added,arfrever,2010-07-17 16:49:11
dev-tcltk/expect-lite,added,vapier,2010-07-17 19:44:49
net-zope/documenttemplate,added,arfrever,2010-07-17 21:36:29
sci-chemistry/cluster,added,jlec,2010-07-18 08:27:49
sci-chemistry/prekin,added,jlec,2010-07-18 08:57:09
sci-chemistry/procheck,added,jlec,2010-07-18 18:16:27
sci-chemistry/aqua,added,jlec,2010-07-18 19:13:37

Done.

[gentoo-dev] Re: Upcoming Council meeting on July 26th, 1900 UTC

2010-07-18 Thread Duncan
Dale posted on Sun, 18 Jul 2010 12:43:43 -0500 as excerpted:

> It always seemed to me that people want to send threads to -project for
> them to just go away.  Once a thread goes to -project, it just whithers
> on the vine and nothing much happens.  There may be a need for -project
> but if almost no one is going to be there, there is no point sending
> threads to it.  Maybe developers should be required to subscribe to
> -project so that even if a thread is sent there, they still get to see
> the postings and deal with the issues that are being raised.

I think that was the point.  Having the list and telling people the topic 
belongs there is the polite way of telling them their output's better 
directed to /dev/null (which is of course the the geeky *ix way of saying 
"shutup already!"), without actually restricting someone's right to make 
their point... just that they might as well be posting to their private 
diary for the number of others that'll actually read it.


-- 
Duncan - List replies preferred.   No HTML msgs.
"Every nonfree program has a lord, a master --
and if you use the program, he is your master."  Richard Stallman




[gentoo-dev] versionator.eclass: convert to eshopts_{push,pop}

2010-07-18 Thread Mike Frysinger
now that eutils.eclass contains a common version of safely handling shopts
settings, we can drop the local versionator.eclass code that was handling this
and convert it to eutils.  seems to work for me, but i rarely use this eclass.
-mike

--- versionator.eclass  18 Jul 2010 21:24:33 -  1.16
+++ versionator.eclass  18 Jul 2010 21:29:21 -
@@ -25,27 +25,7 @@
 # version_is_at_least want  have
 #  which may be buggy, so use with caution.
 
-# Quick function to toggle the shopts required for some functions on and off
-# Used because we can't set extglob in global scope anymore (QA Violation)
-__versionator_shopt_toggle() {
-   VERSIONATOR_RECURSION=${VERSIONATOR_RECURSION:-0}
-   case "$1" in
-   "on")
-   if [[ $VERSIONATOR_RECURSION -lt 1 ]] ;  then
-   VERSIONATOR_OLD_EXTGLOB=$(shopt -p extglob)
-   shopt -s extglob
-   fi
-   VERSIONATOR_RECURSION=$(( $VERSIONATOR_RECURSION + 1 ))
-   ;;
-   "off")
-   VERSIONATOR_RECURSION=$(( $VERSIONATOR_RECURSION - 1 ))
-   if [[ $VERSIONATOR_RECURSION -lt 1 ]] ; then
-   eval $VERSIONATOR_OLD_EXTGLOB
-   fi
-   ;;
-   esac
-   return 0
-}
+inherit eutils
 
 # @FUNCTION: get_all_version_components
 # @USAGE: [version]
@@ -58,7 +38,7 @@ __versionator_shopt_toggle() {
 # 20040905->  20040905
 # 3.0c-r1 ->  3 . 0 c - r1
 get_all_version_components() {
-   __versionator_shopt_toggle on
+   eshopts_push -s extglob
local ver_str=${1:-${PV}} result result_idx=0
result=( )
 
@@ -66,7 +46,7 @@ get_all_version_components() {
# times.
if [[ "${VERSIONATOR_CACHE_VER_STR}" == "${ver_str}" ]] ; then
echo ${VERSIONATOR_CACHE_RESULT}
-   __versionator_shopt_toggle off
+   eshopts_pop
return
fi
export VERSIONATOR_CACHE_VER_STR="${ver_str}"
@@ -106,7 +86,7 @@ get_all_version_components() {
 
export VERSIONATOR_CACHE_RESULT="${resu...@]}"
echo ${resu...@]}
-   __versionator_shopt_toggle off
+   eshopts_pop
 }
 
 # @FUNCTION: get_version_components
@@ -120,11 +100,11 @@ get_all_version_components() {
 # 20040905->  20040905
 # 3.0c-r1 ->  3 0 c r1
 get_version_components() {
-   __versionator_shopt_toggle on
+   eshopts_push -s extglob
local c="$(get_all_version_components "${1:-${PV}}")"
c=( $...@]//[-._]/ } )
echo $...@]}
-   __versionator_shopt_toggle off
+   eshopts_pop
 }
 
 # @FUNCTION: get_major_version
@@ -137,11 +117,11 @@ get_version_components() {
 # 20040905->  20040905
 # 3.0c-r1 ->  3
 get_major_version() {
-   __versionator_shopt_toggle on
+   eshopts_push -s extglob
local c
c=( $(get_all_version_components "${1:-${PV}}" ) )
echo ${c[0]}
-   __versionator_shopt_toggle off
+   eshopts_pop
 }
 
 # @FUNCTION: get_version_component_range
@@ -153,7 +133,7 @@ get_major_version() {
 #1-21.2.3   -> 1.2
 #2- 1.2.3   -> 2.3
 get_version_component_range() {
-   __versionator_shopt_toggle on
+   eshopts_push -s extglob
local c v="${2:-${PV}}" range="${1}" range_start range_end i=-1 j=0
c=( $(get_all_version_components ${v} ) )
range_start="${range%-*}" ; range_start="${range_start:-1}"
@@ -161,17 +141,17 @@ get_version_component_range() {
 
while (( j < ${range_start} )) ; do
i=$(($i + 1))
-   [[ $i -gt ${...@]} ]] && __versionator_shopt_toggle off && 
return
+   [[ $i -gt ${...@]} ]] && eshopts_pop && return
[[ -n "${c[${i}]//[-._]}" ]] && j=$(($j + 1))
done
 
while (( j <= ${range_end} )) ; do
echo -n ${c[$i]}
-   [[ $i -gt ${...@]} ]] && __versionator_shopt_toggle off && 
return
+   [[ $i -gt ${...@]} ]] && eshopts_pop && return
[[ -n "${c[${i}]//[-._]}" ]] && j=$(($j + 1))
i=$(($i + 1))
done
-   __versionator_shopt_toggle off
+   eshopts_pop
 }
 
 # @FUNCTION: get_after_major_version
@@ -185,9 +165,9 @@ get_version_component_range() {
 # 20040905->  (empty string)
 # 3.0c-r1 ->  0c-r1
 get_after_major_version() {
-   __versionator_shopt_toggle on
+   eshopts_push -s extglob
echo $(get_version_component_range 2- "${1:-${PV}}" )
-   __versionator_shopt_toggle off
+   eshopts_pop
 }
 
 # @FUNCTION: replace_version_separator
@@ -201,7 +181,7 @@ get_after_major_version() {
 # Rather than being a number, $1 can be a separator character such as '-', '.'
 # or '_'. In this case, the first separator of this kind is selected.
 replace_version_separator() {
-   

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Last rites: eclass/php5_1.eclass

2010-07-18 Thread Doug Goldstein
On Sat, Jul 17, 2010 at 6:28 PM, Ryan Hill  wrote:
> On Sat, 17 Jul 2010 22:23:03 +0200
> Matti Bickel  wrote:
>
>> On 07/17/2010 09:58 PM, Matti Bickel wrote:
>> > since there's no dev-lang/php-5.1* version in the tree anymore, this
>> > eclass is useless. It will be removed on 17th August 2010.
>>
>> I've just been told by scarabeus that eclass removal is a two years
>> minimum process. So it'll be removed 17th August 2012 and marked #...@dead
>> (deprived of functionality) in the next days.
>
> /me shakes his fist once again at the inanity of this policy.
>
>

Just remove it! If the council can not be bothered to help developers
develop but instead hinder developers from developing, then they are
no longer relevant and should be treated as such. Other course of
action could always be that they should all be kicked out and replaced
with a suitable organization to ensure Gentoo's technical and
developmental success.

-- 
Doug Goldstein



[gentoo-dev] ipv6 documentation: net-dns/totd substitutes

2010-07-18 Thread Joshua Saddler
Hey folks, thought I'd ask here, since I can't find answers on what's 
maintained in our ipv6 packages.

http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=326771 asks for updates to our sadly 
neglected ipv6 guide (http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/ipv6.xml). I removed the 
note that said to keyword net-dns/totd, now that it's been stabilized. totd is 
a DNS proxy used for 6to4 conversion.

The problem, as I outlined in comment #6, is that we should not continue 
referencing totd in the guide. It's maintainer-wanted, no-herd, only available 
for two arches (x86 & amd64), and only stable on x86.

Do we have a more cross-platform alternative that's actually maintained? Who 
does ipv6 commits these days? Given the much-hyped death of ipv4 addresses 
sometime in the next several months, it's important that we find a suitable 
alternative and get it properly documented, with help from its maintainers, in 
the guide.

Thanks for your help.


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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Upcoming Council meeting on July 26th, 1900 UTC

2010-07-18 Thread Dale

Petteri Räty wrote:

On 07/18/2010 05:21 PM, Christian Faulhammer wrote:
   

Hi,

Theo Chatzimichos:

 

On Sun, Jul 18, 2010 at 9:06 AM, Christian Faulhammer
  wrote:
   

  What about getting rid of -project?

V-Li
 

WHAT? Why??
   

  Because it is useless in my eyes.  All discussion could also take
place here and most people mix it up anyway.  The distinction is too
blurry.

V-Li

 

The "tone in gentoo" etc threads recently belonged to gentoo-project.
Those threads are usually the ones that grow the longest. If people want
those on gentoo-dev then gentoo-project is not needed. Granted most of
the time the list is not that active but so are many other mailing lists
we have. I don't think this is something we should have on the council
agenda without the issues having had it's own thread (on gentoo-project
according to current rules).

Regards,
Petteri

   


It always seemed to me that people want to send threads to -project for 
them to just go away.  Once a thread goes to -project, it just whithers 
on the vine and nothing much happens.  There may be a need for -project 
but if almost no one is going to be there, there is no point sending 
threads to it.  Maybe developers should be required to subscribe to 
-project so that even if a thread is sent there, they still get to see 
the postings and deal with the issues that are being raised.


Dale

:-)  :-)



Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Upcoming Council meeting on July 26th, 1900 UTC

2010-07-18 Thread Petteri Räty
On 07/18/2010 05:21 PM, Christian Faulhammer wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Theo Chatzimichos :
> 
>> On Sun, Jul 18, 2010 at 9:06 AM, Christian Faulhammer
>>  wrote:
>>>  What about getting rid of -project?
>>>
>>> V-Li
>>
>> WHAT? Why??
> 
>  Because it is useless in my eyes.  All discussion could also take
> place here and most people mix it up anyway.  The distinction is too
> blurry.
> 
> V-Li
> 

The "tone in gentoo" etc threads recently belonged to gentoo-project.
Those threads are usually the ones that grow the longest. If people want
those on gentoo-dev then gentoo-project is not needed. Granted most of
the time the list is not that active but so are many other mailing lists
we have. I don't think this is something we should have on the council
agenda without the issues having had it's own thread (on gentoo-project
according to current rules).

Regards,
Petteri



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[gentoo-dev] Re: Upcoming Council meeting on July 26th, 1900 UTC

2010-07-18 Thread Christian Faulhammer
Hi,

Theo Chatzimichos :

> On Sun, Jul 18, 2010 at 9:06 AM, Christian Faulhammer
>  wrote:
> >  What about getting rid of -project?
> >
> > V-Li
> 
> WHAT? Why??

 Because it is useless in my eyes.  All discussion could also take
place here and most people mix it up anyway.  The distinction is too
blurry.

V-Li

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http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/lisp/>, #gentoo-lisp on FreeNode

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Upcoming Council meeting on July 26th, 1900 UTC

2010-07-18 Thread Theo Chatzimichos
On Sun, Jul 18, 2010 at 9:06 AM, Christian Faulhammer  wrote:
>  What about getting rid of -project?
>
> V-Li

WHAT? Why??



Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Upcoming Council meeting on July 26th, 1900 UTC

2010-07-18 Thread Christian Faulhammer
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Hi,

"Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto" :
> I cross-posted this email to both gentoo-dev and gentoo-council mls as
> Brian used the former and Alex started this thread in the latter.
> Which ML do we want to use?

 What about getting rid of -project?

V-Li

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