Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Changes to some profiles
On Sat, 02 Feb 2008 09:50:21 +0100
Rémi Cardona <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Vlastimil Babka a écrit :
> > How about just some elog "If you use make install, emerge
> > --noreplace debianutils" in the kernel's postinst or something.
>
> Bellow is my contribution to this thread :)
>
> Cheers,
>
> Rémi
>
>
> --- kernel-2.eclass 2007-12-17 17:06:02.0 +0100
> +++ kernel-2.eclass 2008-02-02 09:48:25.0 +0100
> @@ -659,6 +659,11 @@ postinst_sources() {
> ewarn "For specific information on why this kernel
> is unsupported, please read:"
> ewarn
> "http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/security/kernel.xml"; fi
> +
> + # display debianutils message
> + echo
> + einfo "If you use \"make install\" to install your kernel
> to /boot,"
> + einfo "you will need to emerge \"sys-apps/debianutils\""
> }
>
> postinst_headers() {
s/einfo/elog/ and people might even read it ;)
Marius
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[gentoo-dev] Re: Changes to some profiles
Chris Gianelloni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted [EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted below, on Sat, 02 Feb 2008 04:45:53 -0800: > Well, we can hold off adding it to the actual tree until after the next > GMN, so that's not really an issue. > > My main question was if there was any opposition, and it appears that > there is none, so long as information is provided to our users. [] > If I don't hear any complaints, I'd like to go ahead and get a GMN > article together. > > Do we really need a front-page news item for this? [] I think > adding the info to GMN/gentoo-dev-announce/gentoo-user should suffice. ++ from here, to everything. Thanks for your care. =8^) -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman -- gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Changes to some profiles
On Sat, 2008-02-02 at 14:21 +0100, Vlastimil Babka wrote: > Chris Gianelloni wrote: > > Do we really need a front-page news item for this? I don't think the > > impact would be terribly great, as I suspect this affects a very small > > number of people whom are likely to be more advanced users. I think > > adding the info to GMN/gentoo-dev-announce/gentoo-user should suffice. > > If someone thinks we need to do a front-page article, we can do that, > > too. > > IIRC it will affect only 2008 profiles, and not older, so people have to > switch profiles first? Which already involves knowing what you're doing? > So what about putting up a GMN/front page article announcing all such > changes in new profiles, and not just for debianutils removal. I don't > recall there was this kind of article/documentation before, but might be > wrong. Ehh, I didn't say I was only doing it for 2008.0's profiles. I *could* but there's not really much point. The package isn't needed in "system" for anything to compile/run, so why should we force it onto everyone's machines? -- Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering Strategic Lead Games Developer signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Changes to some profiles
Chris Gianelloni wrote: Do we really need a front-page news item for this? I don't think the impact would be terribly great, as I suspect this affects a very small number of people whom are likely to be more advanced users. I think adding the info to GMN/gentoo-dev-announce/gentoo-user should suffice. If someone thinks we need to do a front-page article, we can do that, too. IIRC it will affect only 2008 profiles, and not older, so people have to switch profiles first? Which already involves knowing what you're doing? So what about putting up a GMN/front page article announcing all such changes in new profiles, and not just for debianutils removal. I don't recall there was this kind of article/documentation before, but might be wrong. Vlastimil signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
[gentoo-dev] Re: Changes to some profiles
Hi, Chris Gianelloni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > If I don't hear any complaints, I'd like to go ahead and get a GMN > article together. Good to go in my eyes... > Do we really need a front-page news item for this? I don't think the > impact would be terribly great, as I suspect this affects a very small > number of people whom are likely to be more advanced users. I think > adding the info to GMN/gentoo-dev-announce/gentoo-user should suffice. > If someone thinks we need to do a front-page article, we can do that, > too. And I agree here, too. V-Li P.S.: Wow, I made an AOL. -- Christian Faulhammer, Gentoo Lisp project http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/lisp/>, #gentoo-lisp on FreeNode http://www.faulhammer.org/> signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Changes to some profiles
On Sat, 2008-02-02 at 09:45 +, Duncan wrote: > > How about just some elog "If you use make install, emerge --noreplace > > debianutils" in the kernel's postinst or something. > > Well, that doesn't help those who get their kernels elsewhere, which IMO > are the ones most likely to have their own scripted solutions using make > install and thus debianutils in the first place, thus the general > announcement suggestion, but a kernel-2.eclass einfo as proposed is a > start and certainly won't hurt. =8^) (Also, as I've said, folks with > such site-customized scripts are precisely the ones advanced enough they > /should/ catch it and be well able to make the necessary changes > themselves, regardless of warning, but should != will, and a GMN/GWN/ > upgrade-guide warning is a nice touch in any case.) Well, we can hold off adding it to the actual tree until after the next GMN, so that's not really an issue. My main question was if there was any opposition, and it appears that there is none, so long as information is provided to our users. I'm in total agreement. If I don't hear any complaints, I'd like to go ahead and get a GMN article together. Do we really need a front-page news item for this? I don't think the impact would be terribly great, as I suspect this affects a very small number of people whom are likely to be more advanced users. I think adding the info to GMN/gentoo-dev-announce/gentoo-user should suffice. If someone thinks we need to do a front-page article, we can do that, too. -- Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering Strategic Lead Games Developer signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
[gentoo-dev] Re: Changes to some profiles
Vlastimil Babka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted [EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted below, on Sat, 02 Feb 2008 02:55:12 +0100: > How about just some elog "If you use make install, emerge --noreplace > debianutils" in the kernel's postinst or something. Well, that doesn't help those who get their kernels elsewhere, which IMO are the ones most likely to have their own scripted solutions using make install and thus debianutils in the first place, thus the general announcement suggestion, but a kernel-2.eclass einfo as proposed is a start and certainly won't hurt. =8^) (Also, as I've said, folks with such site-customized scripts are precisely the ones advanced enough they /should/ catch it and be well able to make the necessary changes themselves, regardless of warning, but should != will, and a GMN/GWN/ upgrade-guide warning is a nice touch in any case.) -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman -- gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Changes to some profiles
Vlastimil Babka a écrit :
How about just some elog "If you use make install, emerge --noreplace
debianutils" in the kernel's postinst or something.
Bellow is my contribution to this thread :)
Cheers,
Rémi
--- kernel-2.eclass 2007-12-17 17:06:02.0 +0100
+++ kernel-2.eclass 2008-02-02 09:48:25.0 +0100
@@ -659,6 +659,11 @@ postinst_sources() {
ewarn "For specific information on why this kernel is unsupported,
please read:"
ewarn "http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/security/kernel.xml";
fi
+
+ # display debianutils message
+ echo
+ einfo "If you use \"make install\" to install your kernel to /boot,"
+ einfo "you will need to emerge \"sys-apps/debianutils\""
}
postinst_headers() {
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Changes to some profiles
Duncan wrote: A GWN or similar announcement before it moves beyond the dev profiles would be nice, but if the affected devs (incl. bugwranglers) are willing to deal with the complaints and they seem to be, the leaner system and image is IMO a good thing, and announcement or not, people really /should/ be checking their depcleans. =8^) How about just some elog "If you use make install, emerge --noreplace debianutils" in the kernel's postinst or something. Though I wonder why kernel depends on stuff like $distroutils :) VB signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
[gentoo-dev] Re: Changes to some profiles
Mike Frysinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted [EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted below, on Fri, 01 Feb 2008 17:05:18 -0500: > On Friday 01 February 2008, Petteri Räty wrote: >> Chris Gianelloni kirjoitti: >> > base/packages: >> > removed debianutils >> >> I don't think we reached a decision on whether debianutils should go to >> kernel-2.eclass before this is done. > > i think the answer is no Not that I have a vote, but as I raised that possible objection earlier, agreed. Folks who have it already merged will be fine unless they --depclean without first checking what it'll do, and those that don't have it merged can merge it if they need it -- it's not as if it's leaving the tree, and the kernel doesn't hard-depend on it. A GWN or similar announcement before it moves beyond the dev profiles would be nice, but if the affected devs (incl. bugwranglers) are willing to deal with the complaints and they seem to be, the leaner system and image is IMO a good thing, and announcement or not, people really /should/ be checking their depcleans. =8^) -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman -- gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
