Re: [gentoo-dev] Draft news item: preserve-libs default for portage-2.1.12
El lun, 03-06-2013 a las 17:24 -0700, Zac Medico escribió: [...] Yeah. The news item now advises the user that it's a good practice to run revdep-rebuild anyway, just to be safe. I would also suggest people to report bugs when they find cases not catched by preserve-libs as they can be a real bug (like bug #460826)
Re: [gentoo-dev] Draft news item: preserve-libs default for portage-2.1.12
On 06/03/2013 11:49 PM, Pacho Ramos wrote: El lun, 03-06-2013 a las 17:24 -0700, Zac Medico escribió: [...] Yeah. The news item now advises the user that it's a good practice to run revdep-rebuild anyway, just to be safe. I would also suggest people to report bugs when they find cases not catched by preserve-libs as they can be a real bug (like bug #460826) Well, I already gave them an example bug report, so hopefully they'll take that as a clue. I don't feel like nagging them to file bugs. -- Thanks, Zac
Re: [gentoo-dev] Draft news item: preserve-libs default for portage-2.1.12
On 04/06/13 03:24, Zac Medico wrote: Yeah. The news item now advises the user that it's a good practice to run revdep-rebuild anyway, just to be safe. And `revdep-rebuild --library libfoobar.so.0` is still useful, unless Portage can replace targeted --library calls too? Just saying I'm not seeing the command going away anytime soon ;-) - Samuli
Re: [gentoo-dev] Draft news item: preserve-libs default for portage-2.1.12
On 06/04/2013 09:20 AM, Samuli Suominen wrote: On 04/06/13 03:24, Zac Medico wrote: Yeah. The news item now advises the user that it's a good practice to run revdep-rebuild anyway, just to be safe. And `revdep-rebuild --library libfoobar.so.0` is still useful, This is for a ABI change without bumping the soname? It's possible to trigger rebuilds for that case by using sub-slots and slot-operators. unless Portage can replace targeted --library calls too? No, portage doesn't have that, except when it's implied via sub-slots and slot-operators. Just saying I'm not seeing the command going away anytime soon ;-) Yes, it could certainly be useful in some situations. -- Thanks, Zac
Re: [gentoo-dev] Draft news item: preserve-libs default for portage-2.1.12
On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 4:51 PM, Zac Medico zmed...@gentoo.org wrote: This is for a ABI change without bumping the soname? It's possible to trigger rebuilds for that case by using sub-slots and slot-operators. Or you could choose a longer-term solution like firebombing the upstream maintainers... Rich
Re: [gentoo-dev] Draft news item: preserve-libs default for portage-2.1.12
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/04/2013 04:56 PM, Rich Freeman wrote: On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 4:51 PM, Zac Medico zmed...@gentoo.org wrote: This is for a ABI change without bumping the soname? It's possible to trigger rebuilds for that case by using sub-slots and slot-operators. Or you could choose a longer-term solution like firebombing the upstream maintainers... HA! ++ - -Zero -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJRrpXZAAoJEKXdFCfdEflK1EsQAIDpfQe9HGAl7g62hd9qBh7K Kc7tKpRRtYal7WTI5KnhzTkofGfd8eOnuG8DYQpZ8r6Ush3dseDTTOvUD12I6E63 De3x7HjCLLzVo6EtsVcynLb2TG52hgM+EWW4cFR1y7T3/InriuiG5CFOKy37VXE9 Yw+FmaGh4OtPhqzsElVi8HmxeSSOhye856ueHNjBYO8RhalVEOalEkUJ25vo2RSL 25TkDjKVbSlDYKkzY3KkkZa9HcdSFAufrcdywtVIteiDNzjK694QQTVsU4xqxu4V TEQTT7/tg9Y6TEV1dwzFZVtb3NIncTvwN1Pkf8LOHW7KWxJiv7r8aEM0UoDHqjvy mgDdtdWrNek9YQghsCboGl4w3ZB4S/rIkLkCaarosUyfH99bAqgflvg5hAAkr6xi iumIJFcBBxXiQIFAIzKzoa9MJU40Q9fM1MmvCtfpu8x0eoiKzRN/EPNAhU/HZP1t 2ublDGRe5iAtHvd2sF1TXCeB2UXIj5iQS+/L5Tm3mZ0quQ44TnRv04toy5bT2Juz GkoS0tY3m3YXiMCWHZgVRiopY6fkYMgzFhGIS2vgkvNDwMWwjOOy4ljC3g3KcMyt wawAkaVI2TnMvt3wjm5phzyNJVT3M+rRUR79daASRgLUEdUtKjnssHcQgDxk/XOF HVUMlwFoHUbS0ny6qj76 =8bCV -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [gentoo-dev] Draft news item: preserve-libs default for portage-2.1.12
On 3 June 2013 01:41, Zac Medico zmed...@gentoo.org wrote: Please review the attached news item which announces the preserve-libs default for portage-2.1.12. Note that our council has discussed this change in their 2013-05-14 meeting [1], and they were in favor of allowing it. [1] http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.project/2448/focus=2452 -- Thanks, Zac Looks good to me. -- Regards, Markos Chandras - Gentoo Linux Developer http://dev.gentoo.org/~hwoarang
Re: [gentoo-dev] Draft news item: preserve-libs default for portage-2.1.12
On Sun, Jun 02, 2013 at 05:41:21PM -0700, Zac Medico wrote: Please review the attached news item which announces the preserve-libs default for portage-2.1.12. Note that our council has discussed this change in their 2013-05-14 meeting [1], and they were in favor of allowing it. [1] http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.project/2448/focus=2452 -- Thanks, Zac Title: Portage preserve-libs default Author: Zac Medico zmed...@gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain Posted: 2012-06-07 Revision: 1 News-Item-Format: 1.0 Display-If-Installed: =sys-apps/portage-2.1.12 Beginning with sys-apps/portage-2.1.12, FEATURES=preserve-libs is enabled by default. This feature will preserve libraries when the sonames change during upgrade or downgrade. Libraries are preserved only if consumers of those libraries are detected. Preserved libraries are automatically removed when there are no remaining consumers. Run `emerge @preserved-rebuild` in order to rebuild all consumers of preserved libraries. If you would like to disable this behavior by default, then set FEATURES=-preserve-libs in make.conf. See the make.conf(5) man page for more information about this feature. Looks good. Perhaps you'd like to add that this replaces revdep-rebuild in case it's not obvious to some users. By the way: Wh h xD I almost believed this would never happen. -- Alex Alexander | wired + Gentoo Linux Developer ++ www.linuxized.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Draft news item: preserve-libs default for portage-2.1.12
On Sun, 02 Jun 2013 17:41:21 -0700 Zac Medico zmed...@gentoo.org wrote: I'll answer to some parts with what I think the user might think; I know the answer to most of those, but the user might not. Beginning with sys-apps/portage-2.1.12, FEATURES=preserve-libs is enabled by default. This feature will preserve libraries when the sonames change during upgrade or downgrade. Why are libraries being preserved? Libraries are preserved only if consumers of those libraries are detected. When exactly are those consumers detected? Preserved libraries are automatically removed when there are no remaining consumers. When exactly does this happen? At the end of any emerge action? Run `emerge @preserved-rebuild` in order to rebuild all consumers of preserved libraries. When and why? Do I run this once? Do I need to run this often? Besides these questions, the transition from revdep-rebuild to @preserved-rebuild may be worth a note as well; if I remember correctly you have to do one last revdep-rebuild when you enable this feature, or in other words preserve-libs won't detect present inconsistencies. I feel like this should probably be documented as well, as part of mentioning that this is intended to replace revdep-rebuild... -- With kind regards, Tom Wijsman (TomWij) Gentoo Developer E-mail address : tom...@gentoo.org GPG Public Key : 6D34E57D GPG Fingerprint : C165 AF18 AB4C 400B C3D2 ABF0 95B2 1FCD 6D34 E57D signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Draft news item: preserve-libs default for portage-2.1.12
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/03/2013 06:32 AM, Tom Wijsman wrote: On Sun, 02 Jun 2013 17:41:21 -0700 Zac Medico zmed...@gentoo.org wrote: The news item is good, but I agree with Tom there could be more questions. Maybe adding a link to some page which explains the functionality in detail? - -Zero I'll answer to some parts with what I think the user might think; I know the answer to most of those, but the user might not. Beginning with sys-apps/portage-2.1.12, FEATURES=preserve-libs is enabled by default. This feature will preserve libraries when the sonames change during upgrade or downgrade. Why are libraries being preserved? Libraries are preserved only if consumers of those libraries are detected. When exactly are those consumers detected? Preserved libraries are automatically removed when there are no remaining consumers. When exactly does this happen? At the end of any emerge action? Run `emerge @preserved-rebuild` in order to rebuild all consumers of preserved libraries. When and why? Do I run this once? Do I need to run this often? Besides these questions, the transition from revdep-rebuild to @preserved-rebuild may be worth a note as well; if I remember correctly you have to do one last revdep-rebuild when you enable this feature, or in other words preserve-libs won't detect present inconsistencies. I feel like this should probably be documented as well, as part of mentioning that this is intended to replace revdep-rebuild... -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJRrJXnAAoJEKXdFCfdEflKKtIQAJMYNQcG20jqwwxxVY9+OOCs Mr+VpcZY+1pCWigCA5AaTpgnU0yr+tvg9wtHvkpMh7lZMjpx4Ot5YQe5BsCfF2w+ bOZztEXbb5d2O5QIjaYG30/UERSxy0tDIGLPbJRO20Qcbw4JEuVpHeW9cXOBciD+ uJ/ISSKmSncrPfuDkJAt/eHx3RaxWhyaYCW+GJJdnzXfSPbkGOVtn/x7+jHex/2o hZ37mqhpu5hCmWHDC3ycFSpB6/+M8ghY0mTo6OYKbqEvPs7u50uBVD/CqYbleFr2 BLSDkEVJo3nyPiuQaP/NGyHIidlW1ejfrqUT811I23DL7OuRc5usIRxINA3VzaVi HtbEMhrDXTKgY56Tq/sxRqHB5VI6kin6z7q347l1OVjf3uYLEcXQsOxeowDW5rZ8 5cUfIXDsadvAnactLS9axIcBjya2O+siBchAlQ6BYckDJlEaMCoM3tWCQ5cGoDO6 tYEz3VRLJDpFmtDoCGQI4KweG5zdXLMvtupg4MN8omhoP4l6oswEQ0Htvba1HNPn HCha+8BABXpRsn81BrOg9Re2EozInykVCMQ6ze+oZBkSeOW+Os6pIe9hkISqjENc IZ4weFBYWz+KSiAX2mFh1KgPf6mVMxoPbRdQyoZgJwscQSysxm+eOej/dsuVCZZ1 gujVTWb3m2HfdxSZWiSq =wrBb -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [gentoo-dev] Draft news item: preserve-libs default for portage-2.1.12
On 06/03/2013 03:32 AM, Tom Wijsman wrote: On Sun, 02 Jun 2013 17:41:21 -0700 Zac Medico zmed...@gentoo.org wrote: I'll answer to some parts with what I think the user might think; I know the answer to most of those, but the user might not. The news item now includes a link to this wiki page which we can use to answer all of the questions that may arise: http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Preserve-libs Besides these questions, the transition from revdep-rebuild to @preserved-rebuild may be worth a note as well; if I remember correctly you have to do one last revdep-rebuild when you enable this feature, or in other words preserve-libs won't detect present inconsistencies. I feel like this should probably be documented as well, as part of mentioning that this is intended to replace revdep-rebuild... Yeah. The news item now advises the user that it's a good practice to run revdep-rebuild anyway, just to be safe. -- Thanks, Zac
[gentoo-dev] Draft news item: preserve-libs default for portage-2.1.12
Please review the attached news item which announces the preserve-libs default for portage-2.1.12. Note that our council has discussed this change in their 2013-05-14 meeting [1], and they were in favor of allowing it. [1] http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.project/2448/focus=2452 -- Thanks, Zac Title: Portage preserve-libs default Author: Zac Medico zmed...@gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain Posted: 2012-06-07 Revision: 1 News-Item-Format: 1.0 Display-If-Installed: =sys-apps/portage-2.1.12 Beginning with sys-apps/portage-2.1.12, FEATURES=preserve-libs is enabled by default. This feature will preserve libraries when the sonames change during upgrade or downgrade. Libraries are preserved only if consumers of those libraries are detected. Preserved libraries are automatically removed when there are no remaining consumers. Run `emerge @preserved-rebuild` in order to rebuild all consumers of preserved libraries. If you would like to disable this behavior by default, then set FEATURES=-preserve-libs in make.conf. See the make.conf(5) man page for more information about this feature.
