[gentoo-dev] Gentoo metastructure reform poll is open
Please keep future information regarding this poll public on gentoo-dev or similar. [publicising on gentoo-dev with permission from Grant Goodyear] Dear all, Polls are open for the metastructure reform vote. All Gentoo developers are eligible to vote. The proposals up for vote: - The FOSDEM proposal http://dev.gentoo.org/~plate/fosdem-proposal.xml - Koon's Alternative proposal http://dev.gentoo.org/~koon/metastructure.xml - G2boojum's Oldschool-small proposal http://dev.gentoo.org/~g2boojum/proposal.html with a small council (7-13 members) - G2boojum's Oldschool-large proposal http://dev.gentoo.org/~g2boojum/proposal.html with a large council (such as 0.1*Ndevs + (Ndevs+1)%2 members) - Ciaranm's Oldschool-small-with-slacker-boot http://dev.gentoo.org/~g2boojum/proposal.html with a small council (7-13 members), and with : http://dev.gentoo.org/~spb/ciaranm-slacker-boot-proposal.txt - Ciaranm's Oldschool-large-with-slacker-boot http://dev.gentoo.org/~g2boojum/proposal.html with a large council (such as 0.1*Ndevs + (Ndevs+1)%2 members) and with : http://dev.gentoo.org/~spb/ciaranm-slacker-boot-proposal.txt - Keep the current system (Keep-current) http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/index.xml http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/devrel/handbook/handbook.xml?part=1chap=5 - Reopen nominations (Reopen-nominations) - Form a task force for additional study (Task-Force) -core mail (7 June 2005) from jstubbs, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (will be available on gentoo-dev as a response to this message) [adapted from Thierry Carrez' mail] Fellow Gentoo developers: The metastructure poll is now open. Here you will find the details of the election procedure. This is adapted from Aron Griffis' thorough explanation on how to vote. Poll subject You have to choose your preferred metastructure model(s) for Gentoo. The metastructure is how projects/teams are organized and about the existence and nature of an upper decision body. The candidate proposals (and the shortnames we use in the election) have been presented in Grant's opening email. Election method --- We are using the Condorcet method to tabulate votes and choose the winners. The Condorcet method is widely viewed as superior to the traditional plurality method since it allows voters more power to express preferences, and encourages voting truthfully instead of siding with an apparently strong candidate. Here is the nutshell explanation of the Condorcet method. If you just want the general concept of how winners are chosen, this might be enough (quoted from electionmethods.org): In the Condorcet election method, voters rank the candidates in order of preference. The vote counting procedure then takes into account each preference of each voter for one candidate over another. It does so by conceptually breaking the election down into a series of separate races between each possible pairing of candidates, hence it is sometimes referred to as a pairwise method. If one of the candidates beats each of the other candidates in their one-on-one race, then that candidate wins. Otherwise, the result is ambiguous and a standard procedure is used to resolve the ambiguity. Unlike conventional plurality voting, Condorcet voting gives voters little incentive to falsify their true preferences. There exist a number of algorithms to implement a Condorcet election. For our election, we will use Cloneproof Schwartz Sequential Dropping to resolve ambiguities. This algorithm is in use by a number of other free software projects, including Debian, Software in the Public Interest, and UserLinux. If you'd like more explanation than is provided by the quote above, please take a look at the following links: http://electionmethods.org/CondorcetEx.htm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Condorcet_method http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloneproof_Schwartz_Sequential_Dropping Election Period --- The election has started on Tue June 7 00:00 UTC and runs for a week, closing on Mon June 13 23:59 UTC. Please vote as early as you feel comfortable so that any unanticipated technical difficulties can be resolved before the end of the election. Election Corpus --- All current Gentoo developers (active during the election period) are allowed to vote. How to vote --- We are using dev.gentoo.org to collect ballots this year. The procedure is as follows: $ votify --new metastructure2005 This will generate a ballot for you, ~/.ballot-metastructure2005 The order of the candidates is randomized in each ballot. The next step is to edit the ballot with your favorite editor. You will find the following instructions at the top of the ballot: # This is a ballot for the metastructure2005 election. # Please rank your choices in order; first choice at the top and last choice at # the bottom. You can put choices on the same line to indicate no preference #
Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo metastructure reform poll is open
Daniel Drake wrote: - Form a task force for additional study (Task-Force) -core mail (7 June 2005) from jstubbs, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (will be available on gentoo-dev as a response to this message) Jason Stubbs' proposal: I'm past this deadline, but I'd like to propose a modified keeping it the way it works (fails) now. My motivation is that I don't feel any of these proposals will solve the issues at hand in the long run. You may call it `Jstubbs' Task Force proposal`. ;) At the outset I will explicitly state what seems to be implicit in the other proposals. If this proposal is allowed to be entered into the ballot and ends up being ranked highest, a ballot on the positions of top-level managers would ensue. The number of positions and the projects would remain the same in the short term. The Task Force part of the proposal is that a new top level project be created to specifically deal with how the organization functions. Its role would be to document and improve all structure, policies and procedures. However, it would have no power to enforce them. All policies and procedures must be signed off on by the top-level managers for them to become enforcable. For this reason, the task force would not be represented within the top-level managers. Think of it as the organizational ombudsman. In the short term, the goals would be to get policies and procedures documented and approved that prevent stagnation within the top-level managers. The main aim here being the ability to transition to one of the proposals above or to some entirely different structure should documentation prove it to be appropriate. Medium term goals would be to step in and help other projects get their procedures documented where need be. And in the long term, the aim would be to have policies and procedures documented for everything. Just to quickly preempt the main negative to this proposal, policies and procedures don't mean you have to behave like a robot. Policies are only ever a recommendation that serve to create a common direction. Procedures are only ever a list of steps that are known to work. They are more of a safety net than anything else. In either case, if you follow it and stuff up - even badly - it is a fault of the policy or procedure. And no, I don't have a name for the project yet although, looking back at the projects page, I think I've just describe what the existing metastructure project *should* be doing. So... worth putting on the ballot? Regards, Jason Stubbs -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo metastructure reform poll is open
On Wed, 2005-06-08 at 16:22 +0100, Paul Waring wrote: On 6/8/05, Daniel Drake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Polls are open for the metastructure reform vote. All Gentoo developers are eligible to vote. Any particular reason why Gentoo users are not allowed to have a say? Because, if everything goes well, they won't even notice? hth, Patrick -- Stand still, and let the rest of the universe move signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo metastructure reform poll is open
Paul Waring wrote: On 6/8/05, Daniel Drake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Polls are open for the metastructure reform vote. All Gentoo developers are eligible to vote. Any particular reason why Gentoo users are not allowed to have a say? This is about how we organize the work between Gentoo developers, I think it's quite normal that those who vote on it are those directly affected by it. That said, feel free to influence the developers vote by telling us what you would have chosen... -- Koon -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo metastructure reform poll is open
Paul Waring wrote: [Wed Jun 08 2005, 10:22:12AM CDT] On 6/8/05, Daniel Drake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Polls are open for the metastructure reform vote. All Gentoo developers are eligible to vote. Any particular reason why Gentoo users are not allowed to have a say? Feel free, that's why dsd posted a notice on -dev. Reply here, or on the forums, or wherever, and people will probably notice. -g2boojum- -- Grant Goodyear Gentoo Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.gentoo.org/~g2boojum GPG Fingerprint: D706 9802 1663 DEF5 81B0 9573 A6DC 7152 E0F6 5B76 pgpN1SzcWOR55.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo metastructure reform poll is open
On Thursday 09 June 2005 00:00, Daniel Drake wrote: - Form a task force for additional study (Task-Force) -core mail (7 June 2005) from jstubbs, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (will be available on gentoo-dev as a response to this message) Not very patient, were we? ;) http://dev.gentoo.org/~jstubbs/taskforce_proposal.txt Regards, Jason Stubbs pgpJBy4fPlWVH.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo metastructure reform poll is open
On Wed, Jun 08, 2005 at 08:59:34AM -0700, Jim Northrup wrote: might I suggest not kicking #gentoo-dev visitors who ask for voice to speak to the devs without a 'rtfm go get a gentoo job' smokescreen ? Sorry, I've missed how that's relevant to Gentoo metastructure..? -- rob holland - [ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ] - Gentoo Audit Team [ 5251 4FAC D684 8845 5604 E44F D65C 392F D91B 4729 ] -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo metastructure reform poll is open
On Wed, 08 Jun 2005 18:12:59 +0200 Sebastian Bergmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Where do I get votify from? wopr-mobile ~ # votify zsh: command not found: votify wopr-mobile ~ # emerge -s votify Searching... [ Results for search key : votify ] [ Applications found : 0 ] [EMAIL PROTECTED] spb $ which votify /usr/local/bin/votify -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo metastructure reform poll is open
Jim Northrup wrote: might I suggest not kicking #gentoo-dev visitors who ask for voice to speak to the devs without a 'rtfm go get a gentoo job' smokescreen ? Sorry? Usually if the request for voice is polite enough won't be a problem. Voiced/avoiced people usually are known by developers for their outside contribution. Feel free to ask me for the voice next time, beware that you must have a reason to get a voice. lu -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo metastructure reform poll is open
On Wed, 2005-06-08 at 08:59 -0700, Jim Northrup wrote: might I suggest not kicking #gentoo-dev visitors who ask for voice to speak to the devs without a 'rtfm go get a gentoo job' smokescreen ? I hope this was only a misunderstanding / miscommunication. #g-dev is already quite crowded and not a support channel like #gentoo. So voice is only given when you can convince a dev that you have a serious problem that can't be fixed by some RTFM'ing or the other support channels (#gentoo, #gentoo-bugs, ...) If your problem is easy, #gentoo or RTFM works much better. btw, hijacking a thread is also not nice. Please start a new thread when you wish to discuss a different problem and don't hijack another thread for that ... hth, Patrick (bonsaikitten) -- Stand still, and let the rest of the universe move signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo metastructure reform poll is open
Daniel Drake wrote: We are using dev.gentoo.org to collect ballots this year. The procedure is as follows: $ votify --new metastructure2005 Where do I get votify from? wopr-mobile ~ # votify zsh: command not found: votify wopr-mobile ~ # emerge -s votify Searching... [ Results for search key : votify ] [ Applications found : 0 ] -- Sebastian Bergmann http://www.sebastian-bergmann.de/ GnuPG Key: 0xB85B5D69 / 27A7 2B14 09E4 98CD 6277 0E5B 6867 C514 B85B 5D69 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo metastructure reform poll is open
On Wed, Jun 08, 2005 at 06:12:59PM +0200, Sebastian Bergmann wrote: Where do I get votify from? wopr-mobile ~ # votify zsh: command not found: votify wopr-mobile ~ # emerge -s votify Searching... [ Results for search key : votify ] [ Applications found : 0 ] It's actually installed on toucan. You have to ssh into dev.gentoo.org to be able to vote. -- Jan Brinkmann : Gentoo Developer (Amd64, Java, PPC, Sound, Video) Email: luckyduck (at) gentoo.org Web:http://the-luckyduck.de GPG:gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-key 0xE38C3BBF pgpyDBMjLL8G5.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo metastructure reform poll is open
Jan Brinkmann wrote: It's actually installed on toucan. You have to ssh into dev.gentoo.org to be able to vote. Ah, makes sense. Sorry for bothering, Sebastian -- Sebastian Bergmann http://www.sebastian-bergmann.de/ GnuPG Key: 0xB85B5D69 / 27A7 2B14 09E4 98CD 6277 0E5B 6867 C514 B85B 5D69 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
