Re: [gentoo-dev] Keeping profiles/ tidy

2009-08-03 Thread Michael Hammer
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I really appreciate your work on that!

g, mueli

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Keeping profiles/ tidy

2009-08-03 Thread Thomas Anderson
On Sat, Aug 01, 2009 at 11:09:16PM +0300, Samuli Suominen wrote:
 Nirbheek Chauhan wrote:
  On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 7:32 PM, Petteri R??tybetelge...@gentoo.org wrote:
  Nirbheek Chauhan wrote:
  This seems like something that should be added to the ebuild/end quiz.
 
  Ebuild quiz:
 
  19. What is the procedure for removing packages from the tree?
 
  
  Looking back, my answer to that question was insufficient, so the
  answer needs to be fixed ;)
  
  
 
 19. What is the procedure for removing packages from the tree? Do you
 need to do something in profiles/ after removing? If yes, what would it be?
 
 -Samuli
 

In general, the quiz is supposed to test and educate recruits about Gentoo
development practices. But if all parts of a question are asked in questions
like that(where it's obvious that 'no' isn't a valid answer) it's just going to
result in more googling rather than thinking hard and having knowledge about how
and why it's done. I think the original wording is fine because the recruit will
have to think hard about what else is needed and consult documentation without
knowing exactly what he is looking for. If needed the mentor can help out with
points like that, but if at all possible it should be initially answered by the
recruit.

So please, let's not make the quiz into a set of yes/no questions(an
exaggeration I know, but still the same effect).

Regards,
Thomas
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Keeping profiles/ tidy

2009-08-03 Thread Ilya A. Volynets-Evenbakh
Thomas Anderson wrote:
 In general, the quiz is supposed to test and educate recruits about Gentoo
 development practices. But if all parts of a question are asked in questions
 like that(where it's obvious that 'no' isn't a valid answer) it's just going 
 to
 result in more googling rather than thinking hard and having knowledge about 
 how
 and why it's done. I think the original wording is fine because the recruit 
 will
 have to think hard about what else is needed and consult documentation without
 knowing exactly what he is looking for. If needed the mentor can help out with
 points like that, but if at all possible it should be initially answered by 
 the
 recruit.

 So please, let's not make the quiz into a set of yes/no questions(an
 exaggeration I know, but still the same effect).
   
While I agree with the sentiment, I think the original wording is too
far away from
the expected answer. How about:

What placed should be cleaned, when removing an ebuild from the tree?
 Regards,
 Thomas
   




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Re: [gentoo-dev] Keeping profiles/ tidy

2009-08-02 Thread Thilo Bangert
Samuli Suominen ssuomi...@gentoo.org said:
 Nirbheek Chauhan wrote:
  On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 7:32 PM, Petteri Rätybetelge...@gentoo.org 
wrote:
  Nirbheek Chauhan wrote:
  This seems like something that should be added to the ebuild/end
  quiz.
 
  Ebuild quiz:
 
  19. What is the procedure for removing packages from the tree?
 
  Looking back, my answer to that question was insufficient, so the
  answer needs to be fixed ;)

 19. What is the procedure for removing packages from the tree? Do you
 need to do something in profiles/ after removing? If yes, what would it
 be?


and where is the answer documented?
http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=164130

 -Samuli





Re: [gentoo-dev] Keeping profiles/ tidy

2009-08-01 Thread Nirbheek Chauhan
On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 9:11 PM, Samuli Suominenssuomi...@gentoo.org wrote:
 I've just closed http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=105016. But bugs
 like these shouldn't be around in the first place. When you remove a
 package from tree, please grep the profiles/ directory for matching
 entries and remove them too.


This seems like something that should be added to the ebuild/end quiz.

-- 
~Nirbheek Chauhan

GNOME Team, Gentoo



Re: [gentoo-dev] Keeping profiles/ tidy

2009-08-01 Thread Petteri Räty
Nirbheek Chauhan wrote:
 On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 9:11 PM, Samuli Suominenssuomi...@gentoo.org wrote:
 I've just closed http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=105016. But bugs
 like these shouldn't be around in the first place. When you remove a
 package from tree, please grep the profiles/ directory for matching
 entries and remove them too.

 
 This seems like something that should be added to the ebuild/end quiz.
 

Ebuild quiz:

19. What is the procedure for removing packages from the tree?

Regards,
Petteri



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Re: [gentoo-dev] Keeping profiles/ tidy

2009-08-01 Thread Nirbheek Chauhan
On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 7:32 PM, Petteri Rätybetelge...@gentoo.org wrote:
 Nirbheek Chauhan wrote:
 This seems like something that should be added to the ebuild/end quiz.


 Ebuild quiz:

 19. What is the procedure for removing packages from the tree?


Looking back, my answer to that question was insufficient, so the
answer needs to be fixed ;)


-- 
~Nirbheek Chauhan

GNOME Team, Gentoo



Re: [gentoo-dev] Keeping profiles/ tidy

2009-08-01 Thread Samuli Suominen
Nirbheek Chauhan wrote:
 On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 7:32 PM, Petteri Rätybetelge...@gentoo.org wrote:
 Nirbheek Chauhan wrote:
 This seems like something that should be added to the ebuild/end quiz.

 Ebuild quiz:

 19. What is the procedure for removing packages from the tree?

 
 Looking back, my answer to that question was insufficient, so the
 answer needs to be fixed ;)
 
 

19. What is the procedure for removing packages from the tree? Do you
need to do something in profiles/ after removing? If yes, what would it be?

-Samuli



[gentoo-dev] Keeping profiles/ tidy

2009-07-31 Thread Samuli Suominen
I've just closed http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=105016. But bugs
like these shouldn't be around in the first place. When you remove a
package from tree, please grep the profiles/ directory for matching
entries and remove them too.

Anyhow, package.mask's and package.use.mask's should all be cleaned now,
unless I missed something ofc. Thanks to idl0r for this scripts!

Main package.mask has still some ancient cruft left that aren't so
obvious why they are masked to everyone, except the person who masked
them in the first place and unfortunately not all of them are around
anymore.. :-/

If you have some.. please audit it.

Thanks, Samuli



Re: [gentoo-dev] Keeping profiles/ tidy

2009-07-31 Thread Jeremy Olexa

Samuli Suominen wrote:

I've just closed http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=105016. But bugs
like these shouldn't be around in the first place. When you remove a
package from tree, please grep the profiles/ directory for matching
entries and remove them too.

Anyhow, package.mask's and package.use.mask's should all be cleaned now,
unless I missed something ofc. Thanks to idl0r for this scripts!

Main package.mask has still some ancient cruft left that aren't so
obvious why they are masked to everyone, except the person who masked
them in the first place and unfortunately not all of them are around
anymore.. :-/

If you have some.. please audit it.

Thanks, Samuli



Thank you for doing that. What.. 1000 lines removed from profiles/ ?? :)

-Jeremy