Re: [gentoo-dev] Make sound a global USE flag?
On Wed, 23 Feb 2011, Ulrich Mueller wrote: On Tue, 22 Feb 2011, Rich Freeman wrote: Do we really need two different use flags for code-based sound support vs file-based sound inclusion? Maybe it's similar enough. So, unify both audio and sounds with the global sound flag? Bug 357661 now. Ulrich
Re: [gentoo-dev] Make sound a global USE flag?
On 8 February 2011 01:18, Petteri Räty betelge...@gentoo.org wrote: On 02/07/2011 08:08 PM, Samuli Suominen wrote: [...] The means are commonly used as USE flag names with result in USE flag description. Think of gstreamer, or xine for example. Both of these are reasonably well-known, libcanberra is not. Moreover, when these are available, they might represent a choice of backends, with maintainers ideally picking one that is preferable, leaving the picking an alternative choice to users. But I'm open to suggestions... How about event-sounds? libcanberra is an implementation of the XDG Sound Theme and Name Specifications, for generating event sounds on free desktops, such as GNOME. http://0pointer.de/lennart/projects/libcanberra/#overview This sounds reasonable. Did I miss some conversation somewhere, because it appears that libcanberra got finalised [1] on (even though I believe it's a horribly unintuitive name to foist on users). [1] https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=354585 Cheers, -- Arun Raghavan http://arunraghavan.net/ (Ford_Prefect | Gentoo) (arunsr | GNOME)
Re: [gentoo-dev] Make sound a global USE flag?
On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 3:23 PM, Gilles Dartiguelongue e...@gentoo.org wrote: Le lundi 07 février 2011 à 08:36 +0100, Ulrich Mueller a écrit : It's used by several packages as a local flag, and its meaning seems to be similar enough. [snip] gnome-extra/gnome-games:sound - Enable sound using media-libs/libcanberra [snip] any gnome packages listed here is a bug if the only pulled dependency is libcanberra. The herd has a policy to always depend on libcanberra. It is a lightweight library that can be build with no sound output for those who don't like it and it saves needless USE flags. Just another datapoint: the GNOME 3 version of gnome-games won't have USE=sound anymore, I've made it a hard-dependency since almost all the games use it now. -- ~Nirbheek Chauhan Gentoo GNOME+Mozilla Team
Re: [gentoo-dev] Make sound a global USE flag?
Le mercredi 23 février 2011 à 21:04 +0530, Nirbheek Chauhan a écrit : Just another datapoint: the GNOME 3 version of gnome-games won't have USE=sound anymore, I've made it a hard-dependency since almost all the games use it now. It's ok, I already dropped it in gentoo-x86 ebuilds :) -- Gilles Dartiguelongue e...@gentoo.org Gentoo
Re: [gentoo-dev] Make sound a global USE flag?
Coming back to this. It has been suggested by ssuominen that the audio flag should be united with sound. It's used by the following packages: games-rpg/drascula:audio - Install optional audio files media-libs/libsdl:audio - Control audio support (disable at your own risk) net-libs/opal:audio - Enable audio support net-libs/ptlib:audio - Enable audio support Not sure if sound or audio is the better name. There's also a sounds local flag which generally means install optional sound data. Maybe games-rpg/drascula should use this one instead? Ulrich
Re: [gentoo-dev] Make sound a global USE flag?
On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 12:10 PM, Ulrich Mueller u...@gentoo.org wrote: There's also a sounds local flag which generally means install optional sound data. Maybe games-rpg/drascula should use this one instead? I can vouch that eternal-lands-data uses the sound use flag in the same way - the only difference it makes is whether it fetches and installs a bunch of files. Do we really need two different use flags for code-based sound support vs file-based sound inclusion?
Re: [gentoo-dev] Make sound a global USE flag?
On Tue, 22 Feb 2011, Rich Freeman wrote: There's also a sounds local flag which generally means install optional sound data. Maybe games-rpg/drascula should use this one instead? I can vouch that eternal-lands-data uses the sound use flag in the same way - the only difference it makes is whether it fetches and installs a bunch of files. Do we really need two different use flags for code-based sound support vs file-based sound inclusion? Maybe it's similar enough. So, unify both audio and sounds with the global sound flag? Ulrich
Re: [gentoo-dev] Make sound a global USE flag?
On Mon, 07 Feb 2011, Samuli Suominen wrote: +1 with exception that those using USE=sound for libcanberra should be split into it's own USE flag called USE=libcanberra That would be the following packages, as far as I can see: gnome-extra/gnome-games:sound - Enable sound using media-libs/libcanberra net-irc/xchat-gnome:sound - Enable sound event support with media-libs/libcanberra net-p2p/transmission:sound - Enable sound event support with media-libs/libcanberra xfce-base/xfce4-settings:sound - Enable sound event support with media-libs/libcanberra I've opened bug 354585 for them. Ulrich
Re: [gentoo-dev] Make sound a global USE flag?
Le lundi 07 février 2011 à 08:36 +0100, Ulrich Mueller a écrit : It's used by several packages as a local flag, and its meaning seems to be similar enough. app-editors/emacs:sound - Enable sound app-editors/emacs-vcs:sound - Enable sound app-misc/anki:sound - Enable support for adding sound to cards games-arcade/tuxanci:sound - Enable sound games-board/pysolfc:sound - Enable sound support usingdev-python/pygame games-roguelike/angband:sound - Enable and install sounds games-rpg/eternal-lands-data:sound - Adds in-game sound effects. games-strategy/freeciv:sound - Add support for sound provided by media-libs/sdl-mixer gnome-extra/gnome-games:sound - Enable sound using media-libs/libcanberra media-libs/libcanberra:sound - Install x11-themes/sound-theme-freedesktop to get sounds on Gnome and Xfce. net-irc/xchat-gnome:sound - Enable sound event support with media-libs/libcanberra net-p2p/transmission:sound - Enable sound event support with media-libs/libcanberra xfce-base/xfce4-settings:sound - Enable sound event support with media-libs/libcanberra any gnome packages listed here is a bug if the only pulled dependency is libcanberra. The herd has a policy to always depend on libcanberra. It is a lightweight library that can be build with no sound output for those who don't like it and it saves needless USE flags. -- Gilles Dartiguelongue e...@gentoo.org Gentoo
Re: [gentoo-dev] Make sound a global USE flag?
On 02/07/2011 09:36 AM, Ulrich Mueller wrote: It's used by several packages as a local flag, and its meaning seems to be similar enough. app-editors/emacs:sound - Enable sound app-editors/emacs-vcs:sound - Enable sound app-misc/anki:sound - Enable support for adding sound to cards games-arcade/tuxanci:sound - Enable sound games-board/pysolfc:sound - Enable sound support usingdev-python/pygame games-roguelike/angband:sound - Enable and install sounds games-rpg/eternal-lands-data:sound - Adds in-game sound effects. games-strategy/freeciv:sound - Add support for sound provided by media-libs/sdl-mixer gnome-extra/gnome-games:sound - Enable sound using media-libs/libcanberra media-libs/libcanberra:sound - Install x11-themes/sound-theme-freedesktop to get sounds on Gnome and Xfce. net-irc/xchat-gnome:sound - Enable sound event support with media-libs/libcanberra net-p2p/transmission:sound - Enable sound event support with media-libs/libcanberra xfce-base/xfce4-settings:sound - Enable sound event support with media-libs/libcanberra +1 with exception that those using USE=sound for libcanberra should be split into it's own USE flag called USE=libcanberra and USE=sound should be kept for the generic ones I just added USE=sound to xfce4-settings only because other ebuilds (gnome ones) already did, wanted to use USE=libcanberra ...
Re: [gentoo-dev] Make sound a global USE flag?
On 02/07/2011 03:15 PM, Samuli Suominen wrote: +1 with exception that those using USE=sound for libcanberra should be split into it's own USE flag called USE=libcanberra and USE=sound should be kept for the generic ones libcanberra describes the means and not the results so we should try to come up with something else. Regards, Petteri signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Make sound a global USE flag?
On 02/07/2011 07:55 PM, Petteri Räty wrote: On 02/07/2011 03:15 PM, Samuli Suominen wrote: +1 with exception that those using USE=sound for libcanberra should be split into it's own USE flag called USE=libcanberra and USE=sound should be kept for the generic ones libcanberra describes the means and not the results so we should try to come up with something else. Regards, Petteri The means are commonly used as USE flag names with result in USE flag description. Think of gstreamer, or xine for example. But I'm open to suggestions... Unlike GNOME we have no plans in making libcanberra mandatory for xfce4-settings as it pulls in too much bloat (like gconfd which Xfce doesn't use).
Re: [gentoo-dev] Make sound a global USE flag?
On 02/07/2011 08:08 PM, Samuli Suominen wrote: On 02/07/2011 07:55 PM, Petteri Räty wrote: On 02/07/2011 03:15 PM, Samuli Suominen wrote: +1 with exception that those using USE=sound for libcanberra should be split into it's own USE flag called USE=libcanberra and USE=sound should be kept for the generic ones libcanberra describes the means and not the results so we should try to come up with something else. Regards, Petteri The means are commonly used as USE flag names with result in USE flag description. Think of gstreamer, or xine for example. But I'm open to suggestions... How about event-sounds? libcanberra is an implementation of the XDG Sound Theme and Name Specifications, for generating event sounds on free desktops, such as GNOME. http://0pointer.de/lennart/projects/libcanberra/#overview Regards, Petteri signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
[gentoo-dev] Make sound a global USE flag?
It's used by several packages as a local flag, and its meaning seems to be similar enough. app-editors/emacs:sound - Enable sound app-editors/emacs-vcs:sound - Enable sound app-misc/anki:sound - Enable support for adding sound to cards games-arcade/tuxanci:sound - Enable sound games-board/pysolfc:sound - Enable sound support usingdev-python/pygame games-roguelike/angband:sound - Enable and install sounds games-rpg/eternal-lands-data:sound - Adds in-game sound effects. games-strategy/freeciv:sound - Add support for sound provided by media-libs/sdl-mixer gnome-extra/gnome-games:sound - Enable sound using media-libs/libcanberra media-libs/libcanberra:sound - Install x11-themes/sound-theme-freedesktop to get sounds on Gnome and Xfce. net-irc/xchat-gnome:sound - Enable sound event support with media-libs/libcanberra net-p2p/transmission:sound - Enable sound event support with media-libs/libcanberra xfce-base/xfce4-settings:sound - Enable sound event support with media-libs/libcanberra
