Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposal: New irc data field in layman's repositories.xml file format
On Mon, 2012-03-12 at 08:49 +, Robin H. Johnson wrote: On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 08:52:20PM +1300, Kent Fredric wrote: On 11 March 2012 22:09, Brian Dolbec dol...@gentoo.org wrote: eg: ircChannel #gentoo-guis on the freenode network/irc or irc#gentoo-guis on the freenode IRC network, irc://irc.gentoo.org/gentoo-guis/irc Though a freeform text field is probably better for humans, I'd suggest having more explicit data available as an option, ie: irc network=irc.freenode.org channel=#gentoo-guisChannel #gentoo-guis on the freenode network/irc +1 on this. ... and just when I was beginning to think no one actually cared :) ... The proper form of an irc url is in my example irc://irc.gentoo.org/gentoo-guis and I took it from gentoo's irc channel page at http://www.gentoo.org/main/en/irc.xml . That would mean limiting a single irc/irc field to just valid url's just like the homepage/homepage field. ircirc://irc.gentoo.org/gentoo-guis/irc The other thing I find with your example is that layman no longer uses that old style of xml. It still supports it, if you have that format for some overlay definitions. But does not fit the current repositories.xml format. Personally I would find it quite simple to use a reg expression to extract a valid irc url from a mixture of written text and url. irc#gentoo-guis on the freenode IRC network, irc://irc.gentoo.org/gentoo-guis/irc So far there is not a gui for working with layman, so is all command line, including the output of layman -i some-overlay. Don't get me wrong, I have nothing aginst a layman gui. I actually ended up taking over layman's development because of it's lack of a good api for other apps to use. Namely porthole. Plus I fully intend to create a standalone gui for layman. Would it be better that I create 2 irc sub data types then? irc description#gentoo-guis on the freenode IRC network/description urlirc://irc.gentoo.org/gentoo-guis/url /irc So far it seems many/most systems do not come setup to recognize and take proper action for irc:// mime types like they do for http:// -- Brian Dolbec dol...@gentoo.org signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposal: New irc data field in layman's repositories.xml file format
On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 01:33:28 -0700 Brian Dolbec dol...@gentoo.org wrote: The proper form of an irc url is in my example irc://irc.gentoo.org/gentoo-guis and I took it from gentoo's irc channel page at http://www.gentoo.org/main/en/irc.xml . Exactly. Most web browsers would know what to do with that, too. That would mean limiting a single irc/irc field to just valid url's just like the homepage/homepage field. ircirc://irc.gentoo.org/gentoo-guis/irc Why not go with a slight variant of the venerable a href format? irc uri=irc://irc.example.com/gentoo-guisYour support channel is here/irc Either that or use two tags, uri and description nested in an irc tag? jer
Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposal: New irc data field in layman's repositories.xml file format
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 01:33:28AM -0700, Brian Dolbec wrote: ... and just when I was beginning to think no one actually cared :) ... I specifically wanted to avoid any special regex to pull data out of the XML. Merging fields is acceptable, splitting them based on regex isn't. The proper form of an irc url is in my example irc://irc.gentoo.org/gentoo-guis and I took it from gentoo's irc channel page at http://www.gentoo.org/main/en/irc.xml . The '#' is debated in the URL scheme specs. The last RFC draft I saw for it was: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-butcher-irc-url-04 Earlier drafts did explicitly call for dropping the '#', but that lead to trouble distinguishing between a user with the same name as a channel. That would mean limiting a single irc/irc field to just valid url's just like the homepage/homepage field. We can allow 0 or more irc fields in the DTD... Personally I would find it quite simple to use a reg expression to extract a valid irc url from a mixture of written text and url. irc#gentoo-guis on the freenode IRC network, irc://irc.gentoo.org/gentoo-guis/irc Don't use a regex on XML. Actually connect it properly. Would it be better that I create 2 irc sub data types then? irc description#gentoo-guis on the freenode IRC network/description urlirc://irc.gentoo.org/gentoo-guis/url /irc No, that's really bloated. So far it seems many/most systems do not come setup to recognize and take proper action for irc:// mime types like they do for http:// It's not a mime type. It's URL scheme. Docbook/GuideXML style: Option 1a) irc link=irc://irc.gentoo.org/#gentoo-guis / Option 1b) irc link=irc://irc.gentoo.org/#gentoo-guis For GUI issues in Gentoo /irc HTML style: Option 2a) a rel=irc href=irc://irc.gentoo.org/#gentoo-guis / Option 2b) a rel=irc href=irc://irc.gentoo.org/#gentoo-guis For GUI issues in Gentoo /a -- Robin Hugh Johnson Gentoo Linux: Developer, Trustee Infrastructure Lead E-Mail : robb...@gentoo.org GnuPG FP : 11ACBA4F 4778E3F6 E4EDF38E B27B944E 34884E85
Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposal: New irc data field in layman's repositories.xml file format
On 11 March 2012 22:09, Brian Dolbec dol...@gentoo.org wrote: eg: ircChannel #gentoo-guis on the freenode network/irc or irc#gentoo-guis on the freenode IRC network, irc://irc.gentoo.org/gentoo-guis/irc Though a freeform text field is probably better for humans, I'd suggest having more explicit data available as an option, ie: irc network=irc.freenode.org channel=#gentoo-guisChannel #gentoo-guis on the freenode network/irc This way you can put more behaviour on the display side in whatever UA is processing the XML, for example, you could easily add support for some GUI portage tool to add an IRC button on relevant packages being displayed, that opens the IRC channel listed in the users chosen IRC client ( as configured in the GUI's preferences ). -- Kent perl -e print substr( \edrgmaM SPA NOcomil.ic\\@tfrken\, \$_ * 3, 3 ) for ( 9,8,0,7,1,6,5,4,3,2 );
Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposal: New irc data field in layman's repositories.xml file format
On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 08:52:20PM +1300, Kent Fredric wrote: On 11 March 2012 22:09, Brian Dolbec dol...@gentoo.org wrote: eg: ?? ??ircChannel #gentoo-guis on the freenode network/irc or ?? ??irc#gentoo-guis on the freenode IRC network, irc://irc.gentoo.org/gentoo-guis/irc Though a freeform text field is probably better for humans, I'd suggest having more explicit data available as an option, ie: irc network=irc.freenode.org channel=#gentoo-guisChannel #gentoo-guis on the freenode network/irc +1 on this. -- Robin Hugh Johnson Gentoo Linux: Developer, Trustee Infrastructure Lead E-Mail : robb...@gentoo.org GnuPG FP : 11ACBA4F 4778E3F6 E4EDF38E B27B944E 34884E85
[gentoo-dev] Proposal: New irc data field in layman's repositories.xml file format
As times have changed and IRC is used more an more. I propose adding an optional irc/irc data field to layman's repositories.xml file format. This information would be listed along with the other information when running: # layman -i some-overlay This added information would then be available and listed in =layman-2.0* for any overlays that choose to add that information to their listing. Yes, that functionality is present in layman-2.0.0_rc3 which is currently in the tree. For layman 1.* versions this additional information would simply be ignored and not printed since there is no code to detect and print it. So there would be no backwards compatible problems caused by running the older layman versions. I also do not intend to add that functionality to the 1.* versions as the 2.0.0_rc3 release is quite stable and I am near to releasing a 2.0.0 final. The irc field would be a simple string that can contain irc:// urls or plain text channel listings. Same as the homepage field. eg: ircChannel #gentoo-guis on the freenode network/irc or irc#gentoo-guis on the freenode IRC network, irc://irc.gentoo.org/gentoo-guis/irc For those that might not like the repositories.xml file grow slightly larger with the additional data (if added). The layman-2.0 api has made changes to reduce the bandwidth usage on the gentoo servers. I will create a more detailed blog post about those results later. But for those wanting to see the data that Alec Warner antarus graciously compiled from the infrastructure logs. See bug 398465 [1]. The layman-2.0 api will reduce overall bandwidth far more than the additional irc data will add to it. [1] https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=398465 -- Brian Dolbec dol...@gentoo.org signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
