Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Suggestion: Portage should not mask packages globally, but only for some arches
On 02/02/2011 11:42 PM, Theo Chatzimichos wrote: For the record, Kacper told me today that every developer is allowed to touch ppc/ppc64 profiles. Archies that don't want others to touch their profiles should mention it in the devmanual. I was not aware of that, I thought that !arch member is not allowed to touch arch-specific profiles. Anyway, KDE 4.6 will be unmasked tomorrow. The general rule I have been using is that if the profile change only has an effect on the package you maintain then it's ok to do it yourself. This is probably something that should be nailed down somewhere. I think I will propose it for the next council meeting. Regards, Petteri signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
[gentoo-dev] Re: Suggestion: Portage should not mask packages globally, but only for some arches
On 02/02/2011 10:30 AM, Kacper Kowalik wrote: W dniu 02.02.2011 08:59, Nikos Chantziaras pisze: It seems that KDE 4.6 is still hard-masked for x86 and amd64 because it's waiting for ppc and ppc64 keywords. I believe it would be beneficial for people if they wouldn't have to wait for arches that don't affect them at all. [...] I don't know what gave you the idea that ppc* has anything to do with masking/unmasking of KDE-4.6. Just 2 facts: 1) you can unmask anything by using /etc/portage/package.unmask, therefore nothing can ever hold *you* back This is about all users in general. Not just me :-) If putting stuff in /etc/portage/package.unmask should be considered the recommended solution for this, then we wouldn't need a masking system in the first place. When something is hard-masked, it tells the user we're not considering it safe or working yet. 2) arches already have independent package.mask files, see ${PORTDIR}/profiles/arch/powerpc/package.mask for an example. It seems they aren't used though. I mainly posted this because of the discussion on this page: http://blog.tampakrap.gr/kde-sc-4-6-0-in-gentoo It seems devs have can't modify arch/powerpc/package.mask on their own? If not, this looks like a problem, delaying packages for all arches.
[gentoo-dev] Re: Suggestion: Portage should not mask packages globally, but only for some arches
Hi, Nikos Chantziaras rea...@arcor.de: On 02/02/2011 10:30 AM, Kacper Kowalik wrote: W dniu 02.02.2011 08:59, Nikos Chantziaras pisze: It seems that KDE 4.6 is still hard-masked for x86 and amd64 because it's waiting for ppc and ppc64 keywords. I believe it would be beneficial for people if they wouldn't have to wait for arches that don't affect them at all. [...] I don't know what gave you the idea that ppc* has anything to do with masking/unmasking of KDE-4.6. Just 2 facts: 1) you can unmask anything by using /etc/portage/package.unmask, therefore nothing can ever hold *you* back This is about all users in general. Not just me :-) If putting stuff in /etc/portage/package.unmask should be considered the recommended solution for this, then we wouldn't need a masking system in the first place. When something is hard-masked, it tells the user we're not considering it safe or working yet. 2) arches already have independent package.mask files, see ${PORTDIR}/profiles/arch/powerpc/package.mask for an example. It seems they aren't used though. I mainly posted this because of the discussion on this page: http://blog.tampakrap.gr/kde-sc-4-6-0-in-gentoo It seems devs have can't modify arch/powerpc/package.mask on their own? If not, this looks like a problem, delaying packages for all arches. Don't be so impatient...Debian users wait two years for a new major version of KDE. This is also a general hard mask for wider testing, it usually gets moved further down the line to individual profiles. V-Li -- Christian Faulhammer, Gentoo Lisp project URL:http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/lisp/, #gentoo-lisp on FreeNode URL:http://gentoo.faulhammer.org/ signature.asc Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-dev] Re: Suggestion: Portage should not mask packages globally, but only for some arches
On 02/02/2011 11:01 PM, Christian Faulhammer wrote: Hi, Nikos Chantziarasrea...@arcor.de: On 02/02/2011 10:30 AM, Kacper Kowalik wrote: W dniu 02.02.2011 08:59, Nikos Chantziaras pisze: It seems that KDE 4.6 is still hard-masked for x86 and amd64 because it's waiting for ppc and ppc64 keywords. I believe it would be beneficial for people if they wouldn't have to wait for arches that don't affect them at all. [...] Don't be so impatient...Debian users wait two years for a new major version of KDE. I know. Though Debian is not a rolling-release distro, like Gentoo is. Don't get me wrong though; it's not that I'm impatient. I already unmasked it here. I brought this up simply because it seemed like a needless inefficiency that the popular arches get stalled by the less popular ones. That's all really, so hopefully no one will read more into it than there is.
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Suggestion: Portage should not mask packages globally, but only for some arches
On Wednesday 02 February 2011 23:34:07 Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 02/02/2011 11:01 PM, Christian Faulhammer wrote: Hi, Nikos Chantziarasrea...@arcor.de: On 02/02/2011 10:30 AM, Kacper Kowalik wrote: W dniu 02.02.2011 08:59, Nikos Chantziaras pisze: It seems that KDE 4.6 is still hard-masked for x86 and amd64 because it's waiting for ppc and ppc64 keywords. I believe it would be beneficial for people if they wouldn't have to wait for arches that don't affect them at all. [...] Don't be so impatient...Debian users wait two years for a new major version of KDE. I know. Though Debian is not a rolling-release distro, like Gentoo is. Don't get me wrong though; it's not that I'm impatient. I already unmasked it here. I brought this up simply because it seemed like a needless inefficiency that the popular arches get stalled by the less popular ones. That's all really, so hopefully no one will read more into it than there is. For the record, Kacper told me today that every developer is allowed to touch ppc/ppc64 profiles. Archies that don't want others to touch their profiles should mention it in the devmanual. I was not aware of that, I thought that !arch member is not allowed to touch arch-specific profiles. Anyway, KDE 4.6 will be unmasked tomorrow. -- Theo Chatzimichos (tampakrap) Gentoo KDE/Qt, Planet, Overlays signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.