Re: [gentoo-dev] amd64 and x32 systemd stages should be ready

[Nathan Zachary]

On 09/05/16 19:12, M. J. Everitt wrote:
> On 10/05/16 00:08, Rich Freeman wrote:
>> On Mon, May 9, 2016 at 6:34 PM, Anthony G. Basile
>>  wrote:
>>> oh okay.  sorry if i misunderstood.  nonetheless, doesn't the fedora
>>> installation cd double as a rescue cd?  i think that uses systemd.
>>>
>> It might - no idea.  I'm not sure if it is as loaded with useful
>> utilities, X11, a package manager, and so on.  Ugh - and it would use
>> rpm I guess...
>>
>>
> Did a quick google .. https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Archboot ..
> looks like a potentially safer bet ?
>
+1.  Arch would probably be the best choice for a systemd-based rescue disc.

Cheers,
Nathan Zachary

Re: [gentoo-dev] amd64 and x32 systemd stages should be ready

[M. J. Everitt]

On 10/05/16 00:08, Rich Freeman wrote:
> On Mon, May 9, 2016 at 6:34 PM, Anthony G. Basile
>  wrote:
>> oh okay.  sorry if i misunderstood.  nonetheless, doesn't the fedora
>> installation cd double as a rescue cd?  i think that uses systemd.
>>
> It might - no idea.  I'm not sure if it is as loaded with useful
> utilities, X11, a package manager, and so on.  Ugh - and it would use
> rpm I guess...
>
>
Did a quick google .. https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Archboot ..
looks like a potentially safer bet ?



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Re: [gentoo-dev] amd64 and x32 systemd stages should be ready

[Rich Freeman]

On Mon, May 9, 2016 at 6:34 PM, Anthony G. Basile
 wrote:
>
> oh okay.  sorry if i misunderstood.  nonetheless, doesn't the fedora
> installation cd double as a rescue cd?  i think that uses systemd.
>

It might - no idea.  I'm not sure if it is as loaded with useful
utilities, X11, a package manager, and so on.  Ugh - and it would use
rpm I guess...


-- 
Rich

Re: [gentoo-dev] amd64 and x32 systemd stages should be ready

[Anthony G. Basile]

On 5/9/16 4:20 PM, M. J. Everitt wrote:
> On 09/05/16 21:08, Anthony G. Basile wrote:
>>
>>> Is there actually a decent systemd-based rescue CD out there?
>>>
>> while i can see some merits to this, eg. running systemd-nspawn from a
>> live cd, this is a lower priority.  i don't have any desire to maintain
>> this.
>>
> I rather thought this question was meant as "is it out there (in the
> wilderness)" rather than "shall Gentoo generate one" along the lines,
> perhaps of the SystemRescueCD .. but with systemd instead of openRC. I
> would err that, at this stage (pun excused!) that Gentoo doesn't worry
> about a 'System_D_rescueCd' and leaves it to another 'project' although
> if any dev wishes to contribute, I'm sure that would be welcomed to it.
> 

oh okay.  sorry if i misunderstood.  nonetheless, doesn't the fedora
installation cd double as a rescue cd?  i think that uses systemd.

-- 
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Chair of Information Technology
D'Youville College
Buffalo, NY 14201
(716) 829-8197

Re: [gentoo-dev] amd64 and x32 systemd stages should be ready

[M. J. Everitt]

On 09/05/16 21:08, Anthony G. Basile wrote:
>
>> Is there actually a decent systemd-based rescue CD out there?
>>
> while i can see some merits to this, eg. running systemd-nspawn from a
> live cd, this is a lower priority.  i don't have any desire to maintain
> this.
>
I rather thought this question was meant as "is it out there (in the
wilderness)" rather than "shall Gentoo generate one" along the lines,
perhaps of the SystemRescueCD .. but with systemd instead of openRC. I
would err that, at this stage (pun excused!) that Gentoo doesn't worry
about a 'System_D_rescueCd' and leaves it to another 'project' although
if any dev wishes to contribute, I'm sure that would be welcomed to it.



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Re: [gentoo-dev] amd64 and x32 systemd stages should be ready

[Anthony G. Basile]

On 5/9/16 8:43 AM, Rich Freeman wrote:
> On Mon, May 9, 2016 at 1:21 AM, Matthew Marchese  
> wrote:
>> Looks good. Nice work, fellas.
> 
> ++
> 
>>
>> I'll do some testing of my own on those stage tarballs so that I can write
>> some docs, unless you'd like to write them, blueness. This should ease the
>> path on the systemd "Handbook extension" idea I've been throwing around.
>>
> 
> While there is no question that having systemd stage3s is a major
> improvement, it actually is likely to make the handbook more
> complicated.
> 

i don't like writing docs because when i do, i go all out and then get
criticized for doing too good a job :P

> 
> Is there actually a decent systemd-based rescue CD out there?
> 

while i can see some merits to this, eg. running systemd-nspawn from a
live cd, this is a lower priority.  i don't have any desire to maintain
this.

-- 
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Gentoo Linux Developer [Hardened]
E-Mail: bluen...@gentoo.org
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Re: [gentoo-dev] amd64 and x32 systemd stages should be ready

[Rich Freeman]

On Mon, May 9, 2016 at 1:21 AM, Matthew Marchese  wrote:
> Looks good. Nice work, fellas.

++

>
> I'll do some testing of my own on those stage tarballs so that I can write
> some docs, unless you'd like to write them, blueness. This should ease the
> path on the systemd "Handbook extension" idea I've been throwing around.
>

While there is no question that having systemd stage3s is a major
improvement, it actually is likely to make the handbook more
complicated.

I've been too lazy to make the changes, but in my testing it is
actually very simple to use the openrc handbook to install systemd.
You just pick a systemd profile, configure the entire system using
openrc per the handbook, and then emerge -u @world.  That will install
systemd and the Gentoo systemd ebuilds port-over the openrc
configuration.

If you start out with systemd then you need to use the systemd
configuration tools.  So, instead of using the existing procedure for
eselect locale or setting the timezone you're going to use localectl
and timedatectl.  That means a lot more openrc and systemd-specific
steps in the guide.  Likewise, if you have a systemd-based install CD
then you're going to want to use nspawn to mount the "chroot."  I
don't know if there is a good systemd-based rescue CD out there
though, and ironically having systemd on the installer makes the most
sense for both systemd and openrc installations simply because nspawn
is so handy.  Also, if you don't boot into systemd then you'll either
need to do the configuration after rebooting, or you'll need to follow
the steps to get dbus/etc running so that the systemd configuration
tools work.

The overall workflow will be identical.  You just need to change the
commands at many of the steps, unless they're all turned into eselect
modules that are smart enough to call the right tool.

Is there actually a decent systemd-based rescue CD out there?

-- 
Rich

Re: [gentoo-dev] amd64 and x32 systemd stages should be ready

[Matthew Marchese]

On 5/7/2016 11:52 AM, Andreas K. Huettel wrote:

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Am Samstag, 7. Mai 2016, 19:47:55 schrieb Andreas K. Huettel:

Am Samstag, 7. Mai 2016, 17:09:50 schrieb Anthony G. Basile:

Hi everyone,

I've been pushing out systemd stage3s for amd64 and x86 and putting them
under our official releases at [1] and [2].  I think all the bugs are
out and those stages are pretty tight.  The next step is for me to
advertise them at [3].

Great- thank you !!!

And for whoever wants to advertise:


On request (what it "just works" without systemd???), here's the more
symmetric selection of posters:

http://dev.gentoo.org/~dilfridge/poster/gentoo-abducted_A0_choice_2.pdf
http://dev.gentoo.org/~dilfridge/poster/gentoo-abducted_A0_choice_3.pdf

:)

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Andreas K. Huettel
Gentoo Linux developer
dilfri...@gentoo.org
http://www.akhuettel.de/

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Looks good. Nice work, fellas.

I'll do some testing of my own on those stage tarballs so that I can 
write some docs, unless you'd like to write them, blueness. This should 
ease the path on the systemd "Handbook extension" idea I've been 
throwing around.

Re: [gentoo-dev] amd64 and x32 systemd stages should be ready

[Andreas K. Huettel]

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Am Samstag, 7. Mai 2016, 19:47:55 schrieb Andreas K. Huettel:
> Am Samstag, 7. Mai 2016, 17:09:50 schrieb Anthony G. Basile:
> > Hi everyone,
> > 
> > I've been pushing out systemd stage3s for amd64 and x86 and putting them
> > under our official releases at [1] and [2].  I think all the bugs are
> > out and those stages are pretty tight.  The next step is for me to
> > advertise them at [3].
> 
> Great- thank you !!!
> 
> And for whoever wants to advertise:
> 

On request (what it "just works" without systemd???), here's the more 
symmetric selection of posters:

http://dev.gentoo.org/~dilfridge/poster/gentoo-abducted_A0_choice_2.pdf
http://dev.gentoo.org/~dilfridge/poster/gentoo-abducted_A0_choice_3.pdf

:)

- -- 

Andreas K. Huettel
Gentoo Linux developer 
dilfri...@gentoo.org
http://www.akhuettel.de/

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Re: [gentoo-dev] amd64 and x32 systemd stages should be ready

[Anthony G. Basile]

On 5/7/16 1:47 PM, Andreas K. Huettel wrote:
> Am Samstag, 7. Mai 2016, 17:09:50 schrieb Anthony G. Basile:
>> Hi everyone,
> 
>> I've been pushing out systemd stage3s for amd64 and x86 and putting them
>> under our official releases at [1] and [2].  I think all the bugs are
>> out and those stages are pretty tight.  The next step is for me to
>> advertise them at [3].
> 
> 
> Great- thank you !!!
> 
> And for whoever wants to advertise:
> 
> http://dev.gentoo.org/~dilfridge/poster/gentoo-abducted_A0_choice_2.pdf
> http://dev.gentoo.org/~dilfridge/poster/gentoo-abducted_A0_choice.pdf
> 
> :o)
> 

Not sure where my brain was, but that should be x86 not x32 in the subject.

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Gentoo Linux Developer [Hardened]
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Re: [gentoo-dev] amd64 and x32 systemd stages should be ready

[Andreas K. Huettel]

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Am Samstag, 7. Mai 2016, 17:09:50 schrieb Anthony G. Basile:
> Hi everyone,
> 
> I've been pushing out systemd stage3s for amd64 and x86 and putting them
> under our official releases at [1] and [2].  I think all the bugs are
> out and those stages are pretty tight.  The next step is for me to
> advertise them at [3].
> 

Great- thank you !!!

And for whoever wants to advertise:

http://dev.gentoo.org/~dilfridge/poster/gentoo-abducted_A0_choice_2.pdf
http://dev.gentoo.org/~dilfridge/poster/gentoo-abducted_A0_choice.pdf

:o)

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Andreas K. Huettel
Gentoo Linux developer 
dilfri...@gentoo.org
http://www.akhuettel.de/

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Re: [gentoo-dev] amd64 and x32 systemd stages should be ready

[M. J. Everitt]

On 07/05/16 16:09, Anthony G. Basile wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> I've been pushing out systemd stage3s for amd64 and x86 and putting them
> under our official releases at [1] and [2].  I think all the bugs are
> out and those stages are pretty tight.  The next step is for me to
> advertise them at [3].
>
> So this is just a heads up.  Let me know if I overlooked anything.
> Otherwise in a week or so, I'll add the links at [3].
>
>
>
> Ref.
>
> [1]
> http://distfiles.gentoo.org/releases/amd64/autobuilds/current-stage3-amd64-systemd/
>
> [2]
> http://distfiles.gentoo.org/releases/x86/autobuilds/current-stage3-i686-systemd/
>
> [3] https://www.gentoo.org/downloads/
>
*gasp* you turned to The Dark Side .. ?! jk .. good work! :]

[gentoo-dev] amd64 and x32 systemd stages should be ready

[Anthony G. Basile]

Hi everyone,

I've been pushing out systemd stage3s for amd64 and x86 and putting them
under our official releases at [1] and [2].  I think all the bugs are
out and those stages are pretty tight.  The next step is for me to
advertise them at [3].

So this is just a heads up.  Let me know if I overlooked anything.
Otherwise in a week or so, I'll add the links at [3].



Ref.

[1]
http://distfiles.gentoo.org/releases/amd64/autobuilds/current-stage3-amd64-systemd/

[2]
http://distfiles.gentoo.org/releases/x86/autobuilds/current-stage3-i686-systemd/

[3] https://www.gentoo.org/downloads/

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Gentoo Linux Developer [Hardened]
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