Re: Fw: [gentoo-dev] mysql commercial

2006-01-16 Thread Paul de Vrieze
On Tuesday 03 January 2006 21:35, Steve Rodgers wrote:
 thanks for the feedback.
 I agree - the gentoo build is excellent. It's only to meet with our
 legal obligations. That legal obligation arises from our non-GPL C app
 which links against libmysqlclient. Do you know if it would be enough
 to deploy and use the gentoo build of mysql but with our software
 linked against the commercial mysql libs?

 That would allow us to deploy the mysql side of things purely as an
 alternative lib.

You're probably better out talking with either a lawyer, or with mysql 
themselves. And talking with mysql, get at least a written statement.

Paul

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RE: Fw: [gentoo-dev] mysql commercial

2006-01-03 Thread Matthew Marlowe
Steve,

 
 so unless it's of real use to others I might just continue to support it 
 myself.
 I'm already packaging up other internal apps using a portage overlay.
 

I had several clients deploying mysql server clusters in large webfarms at the
start of this year and investigated the options for commercial support of mysql
under gentoo at that time.   This investigation included attending the mysql 
2004 user conference and talking to several decision makers within mysql
along with conversations with other gentoo developers and some discussion
on the gentoo-dev ml.

To summarize:
a) Mysql would not support gentoo unless the tree was somehow stable.  This
meant either GLEP19 would have to become a reality or I would need to maintain
a generic commercial mysql profile/overlay for the indefinite future.  If I 
could 
provide either of these options, mysql would perform their own testing and 
eventually
add gentoo to the list of supported platforms.
b) Waiting or assisting GLEP19 seemed to be unlikely to reach maturity in any 
reasonable
time so I dropped that approach.
c) I started setting up the overlay/profile and commited some initial revisions 
to cvs, but
after talks with wolf10k2 and the rest of the releng team was convinced that I 
was getting 
myself into more work than I could handle on my own.

At the same time that I was working on the above, mysql was announcing 
partnerships with
Dell and Redhat, such that if a commercially supported server running those 
platforms ever
went down, mysql would take over complete responsibility for bringing the 
system back 
online (even if that meant bringing in dell and redhat techs to form a combined 
force).
Eventually my clients decided that the cost/benefit ratio of maintaining a 100% 
gentoo
server farm vs a hybrid redhat on db servers, gentoo on everything else farm 
was such
that the hybrid approach was the only realistic course to take.

As a systems administrator and developer, the result was a real frustration for 
me - but
sometimes you have to live with such compromises.

I thought I had removed the commercial-mysql profile from CVS.  If I havent, I 
sincerely 
apologize and will clean it up asap.

 FYI - if you deploy an app which is non-gpl which links against mysql libs 
 then
 you need to deploy against a commercial version of mysql.
 this is built and maintained in binary format by mysql - and requires
 username/password to download.
 

OK.  It sounds like you really dont care about their supporting the binaries, 
you are
just trying to fulfill your legal responsibilities.  In that case, perhaps it 
does make
sense to add some kind of new ebuild or profile.

However, I dont think it would have broad appeal.  The source built standard 
gentoo
mysql ebuilds are quite good.  In fact, I prefer them over having to maintain 
the commercial
ones.  Probably 99% of the interest in commercial binaries is for support, 
especially with
mysql 5 and database clusters.  I dont see your ebuilds or profiles really 
addressing that.

Sincerely,
Matt
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RE: Fw: [gentoo-dev] mysql commercial

2006-01-03 Thread Matthew Marlowe

 start of this year and investigated the options for commercial support of 
 mysql
 under gentoo at that time.   This investigation included attending the mysql
 2004 user conference and talking to several decision makers within mysql

Oops.  Should be last year, and 2005 user conference.

Matt
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Re: Fw: [gentoo-dev] mysql commercial

2006-01-03 Thread Steve Rodgers
thanks for the feedback.
I agree - the gentoo build is excellent. It's only to meet with our legal 
obligations.
That legal obligation arises from our non-GPL C app which links against 
libmysqlclient.
Do you know if it would be enough to deploy and use the gentoo build of mysql 
but with
our software linked against the commercial mysql libs?

That would allow us to deploy the mysql side of things purely as an alternative 
lib.

Steve

On Tuesday 03 Jan 2006 20:04, Matthew Marlowe wrote:
MM  start of this year and investigated the options for commercial support 
of mysql
MM  under gentoo at that time.   This investigation included attending the 
mysql
MM  2004 user conference and talking to several decision makers within mysql
MM 
MM Oops.  Should be last year, and 2005 user conference.
MM 
MM Matt
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