Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites: dev-python/* leaf packages
On Wed, 2019-12-04 at 19:15 -0500, Aaron Bauman wrote: > * Removal in 30 days > IMHO masking with unfixed, or much later, removal date will better help achieve your goal: You are making your point by having them masked so that it will make enough noise for interested people to understand py2 only is not a thing anymore. We already see a lot of "false positives", there are probably packages that just work but are lacking attention. If after a longer time those packages are still not fixed, you can probably safely remove them with the "meh, nobody cares anyway" reason and not even bother having to check hundreds (?) of packages yourself. The 30 days is usually a guideline for packages that have known issues but seems a bit short for checking if someone cares about a package using a deprecated but working python. Also, your list is missing dev-ros/* which is py2 only. I hope I'll be able to update them soon, last time I tried I failed miserably though since the whole stack is really python-single style so that one broken package with py3 causes the whole stack to be py2... Alexis.
Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites: dev-python/* leaf packages
Am Donnerstag, 5. Dezember 2019, 01:15:48 CET schrieb Aaron Bauman: > dev-python/pycdio Has Python 3 support since 2.1 (released in August this year). Developed by libcdio itself. > app-text/pdfshuffler Was last rited a few day ago. As I said, pdfarranger (https://github.com/jeromerobert/pdfarranger) seems to be the modern follow up project. Gerion signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites: dev-python/* leaf packages
Hi!
On Wed, 04 Dec 2019, Aaron Bauman wrote:
> dev-python/eyeD3
> media-sound/abcde
> media-sound/gpodder
FWIW, eyeD3 has a Py3 (only!) version available. Since abcde is a
shell script that just calls the eyeD3 binary, the API changes
don't matter. And gpodder is Py3 only itself, so it can't have
used eyeD3 as a library. Also, this comment in
gpodder-3.10.5.ebuild:
# As in Fedora: re-enable
# >=dev-python/eyeD3-0.7[${PYTHON_USEDEP}] and
# ipod? ( media-libs/libgpod[python,${PYTHON_USEDEP}] ) once they
# support python3
I don't have an iPod, so I can't really test gpodder. But as it
is, it doesn't *actually* need eyeD3, and thus can be unmasked.
I'll see if I can bump eyeD3 to Py3 on the weekend, and clean it
up as well (it now has different deps etc). It do it now, but
properly testing abcde requires access to a CD drive and I don't
have that 'til the weekend.
Best,
Tobias
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites: dev-python/* leaf packages
On Thu, 2019-12-05 at 03:56 +0100, Thomas Deutschmann wrote: > Hi, > > On 2019-12-05 01:15, Aaron Bauman wrote: > > * Removal in 30 days > > Why? I understand that Py2 will reach EOL upstream status but we all > know that Py2 will *not* disappear and stop working in 26 days... > > There's no reason to mask/remove currently known working software. > Yes, there is. Not saying about any particular package out there but the Python team is *overwhelmed*. We can't reasonably be expected to maintain 1200+ packages, many of them requiring a lot of work. It's easy to claim everything is all right without actually working on it. Many of those packages may not pose problems in the next weeks. Some of them probably already take part in the big 'target mishap' when their dependencies dropped py2 support, and more will in the coming weeks, months. Now imagine that 500+ packages are depending on pytest that doesn't support py2 anymore. And that number is probably far smaller than reality because a lot of packages are bad quality and don't run tests at all. You people need to start thinking of terms of real benefit to users. Keeping old, unmaintained, semi-broken packages has little benefit to users. Quadruplicating maintenance burden effectively harms *active* packages, and that is much more painful to users. Do you think we'd be stuck with unmaintained Python 3.6 in stable if people actively kicked stuff we can't maintain? Do you think we'd be stuck with Python 3.7 packages being *unkeyworded* on almost all arches? -- Best regards, Michał Górny signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites: dev-python/* leaf packages
On 05.12.19 01:15, Aaron Bauman wrote: > Fellow devs, [...] > net-misc/trackma > dev-python/inotifyx > dev-python/disqus-python > dev-python/figleaf > dev-python/pysvg a python-3 version is available at: https://github.com/alorence/pysvg-py3 https://pypi.org/project/pysvg-py3/ > dev-python/sphinxcontrib-ditaa > dev-python/pyrax > dev-python/tgmochikit [...] Best regards, Poncho
Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites: dev-python/* leaf packages
On 2019-12-05 04:06, William Hubbs wrote: > On Thu, Dec 05, 2019 at 03:56:05AM +0100, Thomas Deutschmann wrote: >> On 2019-12-05 01:15, Aaron Bauman wrote: >>> * Removal in 30 days >> >> Why? I understand that Py2 will reach EOL upstream status but we all >> know that Py2 will *not* disappear and stop working in 26 days... >> >> There's no reason to mask/remove currently known working software. >> >> net-nntp/sabnzbd is a perfect example. Up to date in repository and working. First, this was just an example. For sabnzbd I know that upstream is working on Py3 support. It will happen somewhere in 2020... I expect this for most software still in use. My point was a general note: I don't understand why we should rush and kick out software without Py3 support *yet* when Py2 is still a thing. Sure, we will reach the point when Py2 is only needed by 1-2 packages and at this point we can start discussing to drop them including entire Py2 support. But this will take 1-2 years... I mean: OpenSSL-1.0.2x will go EOL on 2019-12-31... I don't see us masking Are you volunteering to maintain it or open an upstream bug and askthem > to move to py3? ...and sometimes I am also just a user. I cannot maintain all software I use :-) -- Regards, Thomas Deutschmann / Gentoo Linux Developer C4DD 695F A713 8F24 2AA1 5638 5849 7EE5 1D5D 74A5 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
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On Thu, Dec 05, 2019 at 03:56:05AM +0100, Thomas Deutschmann wrote: > Hi, > > On 2019-12-05 01:15, Aaron Bauman wrote: > > * Removal in 30 days > > Why? I understand that Py2 will reach EOL upstream status but we all > know that Py2 will *not* disappear and stop working in 26 days... > > There's no reason to mask/remove currently known working software. > > net-nntp/sabnzbd is a perfect example. Up to date in repository and working. Are you volunteering to maintain it or open an upstream bug and askthem to move to py3? I tend to think that we should either get py2 only software to move to py3 or remove it. William signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites: dev-python/* leaf packages
Hi, On 2019-12-05 01:15, Aaron Bauman wrote: > * Removal in 30 days Why? I understand that Py2 will reach EOL upstream status but we all know that Py2 will *not* disappear and stop working in 26 days... There's no reason to mask/remove currently known working software. net-nntp/sabnzbd is a perfect example. Up to date in repository and working. -- Regards, Thomas Deutschmann / Gentoo Linux Developer C4DD 695F A713 8F24 2AA1 5638 5849 7EE5 1D5D 74A5 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
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On 05.12.2019 01:15, Aaron Bauman wrote: dev-python/nototools media-fonts/noto-emoji ^ these two recent-ish gained python3 support upstream in a new released version
Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites: dev-python/* leaf packages
On Thu, Dec 05, 2019 at 12:28:04AM +, Michael 'veremitz' Everitt wrote: > On 05/12/19 00:15, Aaron Bauman wrote: > > Fellow devs, > > > dev-python/sqlitecachec > > dev-python/supervisor-quick > > dev-python/python-cdb > > dev-python/fabric > ^ https://github.com/mathiasertl/fabric/ is a fork of fabric for py3.4+ > FYI. Also on PyPi at https://pypi.org/project/Fabric3/. > > dev-python/foolscap > > net-fs/tahoe-lafs > > dev-python/pyvtk > > > HTH, > veremitz/Michael. > Ah, you found a false positive as well. Fixing it up now. -- Cheers, Aaron signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites: dev-python/* leaf packages
On 05/12/19 00:15, Aaron Bauman wrote: > Fellow devs, > dev-python/sqlitecachec > dev-python/supervisor-quick > dev-python/python-cdb > dev-python/fabric ^ https://github.com/mathiasertl/fabric/ is a fork of fabric for py3.4+ FYI. Also on PyPi at https://pypi.org/project/Fabric3/. > dev-python/foolscap > net-fs/tahoe-lafs > dev-python/pyvtk HTH, veremitz/Michael. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
