Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Gentoo calendar for tracking Gentoo events
On Thursday 11 March 2010 00:10:00 Jeroen Roovers wrote: On Wed, 10 Mar 2010 21:42:43 + (UTC) Duncan wrote: So a gmail account is now considered mandatory for Gentoo devs, at least if they want calendar access? What about those who might think that Google knows enough about them with search and the web crawling and database correlation Google does, and whatever ad serving might leak thru, and object to having a gmail account on principle? That's OK. I'm a Gentoo dev and I won't be subscribing. Fair enough? you dont need an account to subscribe (read/track updates). anyone can do that anonymously. -mike signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Gentoo calendar for tracking Gentoo events
On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 8:32 AM, Mike Frysinger vap...@gentoo.org wrote: On Thursday 11 March 2010 00:10:00 Jeroen Roovers wrote: On Wed, 10 Mar 2010 21:42:43 + (UTC) Duncan wrote: So a gmail account is now considered mandatory for Gentoo devs, at least if they want calendar access? What about those who might think that Google knows enough about them with search and the web crawling and database correlation Google does, and whatever ad serving might leak thru, and object to having a gmail account on principle? That's OK. I'm a Gentoo dev and I won't be subscribing. Fair enough? you dont need an account to subscribe (read/track updates). anyone can do that anonymously. -mike I think Duncan's point is that in the Social Contract it talks about how Gentoo should only rely on open source software. The question is does this apply to our 'product' or does it apply to everything. Certainly users can continue to use Gentoo without using this calendar at all; however if it becomes some kind of integral part of Gentoo (which I doubt it will) we will have to look at switching to something else (which is easy given the many export formats of Google Calendar :)) I am all about trying out new things and working out the details after the fact;so +1 to the calendar as well. -A
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Gentoo calendar for tracking Gentoo events
On 03/11/2010 03:53 PM, Alec Warner wrote: however if it becomes some kind of integral part of Gentoo (which I doubt it will) we will have to look at switching to something else (which is easy given the many export formats of Google Calendar :)) I think you hit the nail on the head. Right now it isn't really getting used at all, and as you pointed out we can always transition it later. Before we build out an uber-calendaring-application maybe we should just let the current calendar get some use, and then we can see how it goes. Plus, our experiences with Google Calendar may come in handy when defining requirements for a pure-FOSS solution. Of course, if somebody wants to setup something that is FOSS anyway, nobody is going to stop them. Rich
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Gentoo calendar for tracking Gentoo events
Duncan 1i5t5.dun...@cox.net said: So a gmail account is now considered mandatory for Gentoo devs, at least if they want calendar access? What about those who might think that Google knows enough about them with search and the web crawling and database correlation Google does, and whatever ad serving might leak thru, and object to having a gmail account on principle? Then they don't get to see the calendar Seriously though, who cares. If it becomes a problem, we can deal with it then. Until that point, use what we have or implement something that's better. -- Mark Loeser email - halcy0n AT gentoo DOT org email - mark AT halcy0n DOT com web - http://www.halcy0n.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Gentoo calendar for tracking Gentoo events
On 03/10/2010 04:42 PM, Duncan wrote: So a gmail account is now considered mandatory for Gentoo devs, at least if they want calendar access? What about those who might think that Google knows enough about them with search and the web crawling and database correlation Google does, and whatever ad serving might leak thru, and object to having a gmail account on principle? Honestly, Google calendar works well enough that I'm not sure that I like the idea of re-inventing the wheel. Maybe if somebody designed some kind of open calendar access protocol that was comparable. If you don't like Google tracking all that you do, create a gmail account and don't use it for ANYTHING but Google Calendar. That will greatly limit the amount of database correlation they can do. If somebody has a suggestion for a reasonable multi-user calendaring infrastructure that has reasonably close feature parity and isn't a bear to maintain I'm sure it would be considered. Rich
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Gentoo calendar for tracking Gentoo events
On Wednesday 10 March 2010 16:42:43 Duncan wrote: Mike Frysinger posted on Wed, 10 Mar 2010 07:45:21 -0500 as excerpted: the front page of http://gentoo.org/ now links to a Google Calendar (see side bar). this has been around for a while, but it seems it's been more of an underground thing, so it's time to raise its awareness. like other aspects of Gentoo, all Gentoo developers have access to it to add their own events. anything Gentoo related may be added of course ! meetings, events, scheduled package events, etc... the access step requires a bit of help though -- simply e-mail me off list your gmail account and we can get you set up. once you have access, you may easily pass it on to other Gentoo peeps. So a gmail account is now considered mandatory for Gentoo devs, at least if they want calendar access? What about those who might think that Google knows enough about them with search and the web crawling and database correlation Google does, and whatever ad serving might leak thru, and object to having a gmail account on principle? then you dont get write access. anyone can read it anonymously. if you want an entry added, go ask someone who does have write access. -mike signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Gentoo calendar for tracking Gentoo events
Le mercredi 10 mars 2010 à 18:04 -0500, Richard Freeman a écrit : On 03/10/2010 04:42 PM, Duncan wrote: So a gmail account is now considered mandatory for Gentoo devs, at least if they want calendar access? What about those who might think that Google knows enough about them with search and the web crawling and database correlation Google does, and whatever ad serving might leak thru, and object to having a gmail account on principle? Honestly, Google calendar works well enough that I'm not sure that I like the idea of re-inventing the wheel. Maybe if somebody designed some kind of open calendar access protocol that was comparable. If you don't like Google tracking all that you do, create a gmail account and don't use it for ANYTHING but Google Calendar. That will greatly limit the amount of database correlation they can do. If somebody has a suggestion for a reasonable multi-user calendaring infrastructure that has reasonably close feature parity and isn't a bear to maintain I'm sure it would be considered. that's called caldav. There's at least one opensource server that is working decently well with evolution although it's in php. -- Gilles Dartiguelongue e...@gentoo.org Gentoo signature.asc Description: Ceci est une partie de message numériquement signée
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Gentoo calendar for tracking Gentoo events
On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 3:12 AM, Duncan 1i5t5.dun...@cox.net wrote: So a gmail account is now considered mandatory for Gentoo devs, at least if they want calendar access? Write access. What about those who might think that Google knows enough about them with search and the web crawling and database correlation Google does, and whatever ad serving might leak thru, and object to having a gmail account on principle? If some gentoo dev actually has this problem, they should speak up and we'll discuss it then. -- ~Nirbheek Chauhan Gentoo GNOME+Mozilla Team
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Gentoo calendar for tracking Gentoo events
Le jeudi 11 mars 2010 à 05:28 +0530, Nirbheek Chauhan a écrit : On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 3:12 AM, Duncan 1i5t5.dun...@cox.net wrote: So a gmail account is now considered mandatory for Gentoo devs, at least if they want calendar access? Write access. What about those who might think that Google knows enough about them with search and the web crawling and database correlation Google does, and whatever ad serving might leak thru, and object to having a gmail account on principle? If some gentoo dev actually has this problem, they should speak up and we'll discuss it then. I have a problem with using google resources out of lazyness (nothing from what I read indicates the opposite) to setup and/or ask infra what can be done to solve this need. -- Gilles Dartiguelongue e...@gentoo.org Gentoo signature.asc Description: Ceci est une partie de message numériquement signée
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Gentoo calendar for tracking Gentoo events
On Wednesday 10 March 2010 19:02:19 Gilles Dartiguelongue wrote: Le jeudi 11 mars 2010 à 05:28 +0530, Nirbheek Chauhan a écrit : On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 3:12 AM, Duncan 1i5t5.dun...@cox.net wrote: So a gmail account is now considered mandatory for Gentoo devs, at least if they want calendar access? Write access. What about those who might think that Google knows enough about them with search and the web crawling and database correlation Google does, and whatever ad serving might leak thru, and object to having a gmail account on principle? If some gentoo dev actually has this problem, they should speak up and we'll discuss it then. I have a problem with using google resources out of lazyness (nothing from what I read indicates the opposite) to setup and/or ask infra what can be done to solve this need. infra is already tasked enough without having to tackle such a trivial resource need. google calendar is working today and exports all of its stuff via a variety of formats for people to important into their own calendaring system. there are plenty of devs who dont have a problem signing in to use google calendar which means it should be trivial for you to find someone to add an event if you so desire. or to use a standard invite format and e-mail it to someone who simply adds it to the calendar via the gmail interface. -mike signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Gentoo calendar for tracking Gentoo events
On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 09:42:43PM +, Duncan wrote: So a gmail account is now considered mandatory for Gentoo devs, at least if they want calendar access? A Google account != Gmail account. I use Google calendars extensively myself, but it's NOT linked to a Gmail account. So the above really should have said Google account. That said, simply emailing vcard events to an organizer should work fine. -- Robin Hugh Johnson Gentoo Linux: Developer, Trustee Infrastructure Lead E-Mail : robb...@gentoo.org GnuPG FP : 11AC BA4F 4778 E3F6 E4ED F38E B27B 944E 3488 4E85
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Gentoo calendar for tracking Gentoo events
On Wed, 10 Mar 2010 21:42:43 + (UTC) Duncan 1i5t5.dun...@cox.net wrote: So a gmail account is now considered mandatory for Gentoo devs, at least if they want calendar access? What about those who might think that Google knows enough about them with search and the web crawling and database correlation Google does, and whatever ad serving might leak thru, and object to having a gmail account on principle? That's OK. I'm a Gentoo dev and I won't be subscribing. Fair enough? jer
