Re: [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo healthy?
On Mon, 18 Dec 2006 20:27:20 +0300, Hemmann, Volker Armin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 18 December 2006 15:47, Grant wrote: I've caught a whiff or two lately that Gentoo is declining in popularity amongst users and developers. Is it all in my head? I personally still love Gentoo. there are always several phases in the life of a distri. Beginning, when it becomes 'cool' and a sudden surge in users, some time of high popularity, a decline, and at the end, only the users who are really 'the right ones' for that kind of distri are left. Not only 'the right ones'. There will always be some number of users who are evaluating the distro. So the 'always using the cool thing' users are gone and the 'we are using what the cool guys were using' crowd is leaving now. So what? Are they important? No. At some point ubuntu will suffer the same. And then the next cool distro de jour. Some decline in user interest is normal - and a healthy process. Because it removes the 'I use it because it is cool' and 'I use it because everybody else uses it' type of users. Where can I get data on the number of Gentoo users and how it changes with time? Are the sync servers reporting the number of portage trees? Are the numbers of subscribers to Gentoo mailing lists available? Can the number of Gentoo developers and the number of developers per package be made known (there is a report somewhere in the thread that the number of developers increased from 60 to 300 in 3 days, but a finer time scale is of interest)? As far as I understand, software developers normally provide tarballs and distro developers create packages. Do some developers provide packages themselves? If yes, what distros do they choose and how often do they choose Gentoo? It may be interesting to compare these numbers with the number of users. -- Andrei Gerasimenko -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo healthy?
On Mon, 18 Dec 2006 23:18:19 +, Jeff Rollin wrote: On 18/12/06, John J. Foster [EMAIL PROTECTED] It may, but you are confusing cause and effect. A distro with more developers should be a better distro, and should have more users. Well, Microsoft has proven that theory wrong ;- Windows is not a distro. The development model is completely different. On the other hand, Windows has more developers and users than any Linux distro, so by the original argument, it must be much better... Indeed. In fact Fred Brooks, (In The Mythical Man Month, specifically cited MS-DOS as one of the computing projects that people don't get excited about - for the very reason you and he cites, that throwing more developers at a project will not only fail to improve it, and improve it faster, but will slow it down and make it buggier. Eric Raymond explained why this doesn't apply to open source development in The Cathedral and the Bazaar. -- Neil Bothwick ALZHEIMER.COM found . . . Out of . . . something . . signature.asc Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-user] How do you make a gentoo system confirm to a release?
If you have a Gentoo system with a specific release point for e.g. 2006.0and you would like to live upgrade it so it confirms to a 2006.1 profile is that possible? To be specific I would like if possible to have a live upgrade to stage3 but with using i586 compile instead of i686. I could rm -rf /var/db and then reemerge world, is there a better way of doing it? I did get a block when doing an emerge world and the system is not a production one so some violence can be used. Though I prefer to do it in the correcter way if there is a such? Thanks, Chris
Re: [gentoo-user] How do you make a gentoo system confirm to a release?
On Tuesday 19 December 2006 11:38, Christian Nygaard wrote: If you have a Gentoo system with a specific release point for e.g. 2006.0and you would like to live upgrade it so it confirms to a 2006.1 profile is that possible? You just change the profile. The differences in the profiles between releases or very minor. http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/gentoo-upgrading.xml To be specific I would like if possible to have a live upgrade to stage3 but with using i586 compile instead of i686. I could rm -rf /var/db and then reemerge world, is there a better way of doing it? It's quite unclear to be what you think you would achieve by removing the vdb (/var/db/pkg - database of installed packages with information about which files belongs to which package...). What you would achieve though is a system where portage thinks nothing is installed and hence you would have to be quite lucky to avoid orphans after the reinstalling everything in the world file (which happens to be outside the vdb). Seems pretty pointless to me.. Did you just want an upgraded system? In that case all you needed was: # emerge -uvDa world Or if you wanted to recompile everything you would just need emerge --emptytree... The vdb is the single most important part of any Gentoo system meaning that if it gets removed you have to reinstall (at least to avoid orphans). The portage database (the tree), distfiles and pkgdir on the other hand can be easily regenerated. Even the world file can be regenerated if emerge.log is intact... I did get a block when doing an emerge world and the system is not a production one so some violence can be used. [SNIP] Mostly blockers are instated because you need to remove a package (namely the blocker) before an upgrade can take place. Tell us what the blocker is if you're unsure about what to unmerge... -- Bo Andresen pgpvf2hOHuw4m.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] How do you make a gentoo system confirm to a release?
On Tuesday 19 December 2006 12:38, Christian Nygaard wrote: If you have a Gentoo system with a specific release point for e.g. 2006.0and you would like to live upgrade it so it confirms to a 2006.1 profile is that possible? You appear to misunderstand what a profile is. It's nothing more than a point from which to start, including a bunch of defaults. Profiles don't specify specific versions of ebuilds to use, although they might define the minimum version number of a package if earlier versions are known to not work with other stuff. My desktop machine at home is still on 2005.0 profile and yet, it is a fully up to date x86 system. If I were to make it a 2006.1 profile, it's very unlikely that anything would change at all. To be specific I would like if possible to have a live upgrade to stage3 but with using i586 compile instead of i686. I could rm -rf /var/db and then reemerge world, is there a better way of doing it? I did get a block when doing an emerge world and the system is not a production one so some violence can be used. Though I prefer to do it in the correcter way if there is a such? First, why do you want to downgrade from i686 to i586? Do you have an original pentium chip and you specified i686 by mistake? There's no other valid reason I can think of for such a downgrade. But, if you insist, you can do this: 1. Change your CHOST in /etc/make.conf 2. Change the /etc/make.profile symplink to point to the profile of your choice in /usr/portage/profiles 3. emerge -e system ; emerge -e world Step 3 might fail at one or more points. You will have to fix those yourself each time it happens. It might be blockers, good old compile errors or something else, so just cope with whatever comes up when it comes up. Also, check the current and destined version numbers of problematic packages like glibc, gcc and Xorg - see if the various upgrade howtos on www.gentoo.org apply to your specific case, and if so, follow the howto carefully. Finally, you really really don't want to rm -rf /var/db - portage will keep it's own stuff up to date and current, you don't need to fiddle with it. alan -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] How do you make a gentoo system confirm to a release?
On Tuesday 19 December 2006 12:06, Alan McKinnon wrote: But, if you insist, you can do this: 1. Change your CHOST in /etc/make.conf 2. Change the /etc/make.profile symplink to point to the profile of your choice in /usr/portage/profiles 3. emerge -e system ; emerge -e world Whoa! Your instructions for changing CHOST are incomplete! There's a guide for that. Refer to it! Make sure to read the warnings in it. http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/change-chost.xml -- Bo Andresen pgpisHOeBEZEq.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] nvidia-legacy-drivers problems/questions
Mark, just a note I am quite happy with x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers-1.0.8776 working perfectly on oldy MX 440, because legacy drivers too much legacy and are no good with both X session switching and GL while 1.0.9631 just crash and 1.0.9742 do not support the card anymore. Since it is probably the last version which will ever work on MX440 at all I suggest to make a backup of the ebuild just in case it will fade from portage in he future. (Sorry for top posting, but original is too long and epic for me to snap details) Petr On Tuesday 19 December 2006 02:39, Mark Knecht wrote: Hi, I'm doing updates to my dad's Gentoo machine 350 miles away. It pretty much hasn't been touched in about a year as per his request. However we agreed it was time to move forward so I've done the gcc-4.1.1 upgrade and rebuilt the machine completely. At the command line from here things look like they are running with the new kernel. ivtv is up for MythTV recording. I don't know how to tell what state his screen is in since he isn't home to look at it. However I seem to be having problems with the NVidia drivers so I'm looking for some help. When I first built the machine I installed nvidia-drivers. After rebooting with the new 2.6.18-gentoo-r4 kernel nvidia was loaded but got a message in dmesg telling me that the card is supported by nvidia-legacy-drivers: SNIP NVRM: The NVIDIA GeForce4 MX 440 with AGP8X GPU installed in this system is NVRM: supported through the NVIDIA Legacy drivers. Please NVRM: visit http://www.nvidia.com/object/unix.html for more NVRM: information. The 1.0-9742 NVIDIA driver will ignore NVRM: this GPU. Continuing probe... NVRM: No NVIDIA graphics adapter found! SNIP I then removed that NVidia package and emerged nvidia-drivers-legacy. It seemed to emerge but I saw this message when building it: SNIP test -e include/linux/autoconf.h -a -e include/config/auto.conf || ( \ echo; \ echo ERROR: Kernel configuration is invalid.; \ echo include/linux/autoconf.h or include/config/auto.conf are missing.;\ echo Run 'make oldconfig make prepare' on kernel src to fix it.; \ echo; \ /bin/false) SNIP However I think the driver does load as I see this at the end of dmesg: SNIP Adding 1172264k swap on /dev/sda5. Priority:-1 extents:1 across:1172264k eth0: setting full-duplex. ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNK4] enabled at IRQ 5 ACPI: PCI Interrupt :03:00.0[A] - Link [LNK4] - GSI 5 (level, low) - IRQ 5 NVRM: loading NVIDIA Linux x86 Kernel Module 1.0-7184 Tue Aug 1 18:38:58 PDT 2006 gandalf ~ # SNIP The problem I seem to be having right now is with xdm. It stops OK, but when I try to start it I get these messages: SNIP gandalf ~ # /etc/init.d/xdm stop * Stopping xdm ... [ ok ] gandalf ~ # /etc/init.d/xdm status * status: stopped gandalf ~ # /etc/init.d/xdm start * Setting up xdm ... /sbin/start-stop-daemon: stat /usr/bin/xdm: No such file or directory (No such file or directory) * ERROR: could not start the Display Manager... xdm: no process killed [ ok ] gandalf ~ # /etc/init.d/xdm status * status: started gandalf ~ # SNIP So it seems, from 350 miles away, that xdm is stopping and starting, but I get error messages. What's up with that? What I'm really wondering right now is what is being displayed on his screen? Is there a login window? Seems like maybe it's working: gandalf ~ # ps aux | grep xdm root 11983 0.0 0.1 1604 524 pts/0R+ 17:38 0:00 grep --colour=auto xdm gandalf ~ # but what is that error message above telling me? What else can I do from here to investigate the state of this remote machine? Thanks in advance! Cheers, Mark -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo healthy?
On Tue, 19 Dec 2006 03:22:24 +0100, Bo Ørsted Andresen wrote: emerge gentoo-bugger bugger --keyword mod_perl bugger --show 157239 I prefer www-client/pybugz. # emerge pybugz # bugz search mod_perl # bugz get 157239 Nice :) -- Neil Bothwick Unix is user-friendly. It's just very selective with who it's friends are. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Hotel WiFi does not like my Gentoo
On Monday 18 December 2006 23:19, Norberto Bensa wrote: Mick wrote: # iwlist wlan0 scan wlan0 Scan completed : Cell 01 - Address: 00:0C:20:03:3B:C5 ESSID:The Cairngorm Hotel Mode:Master Frequency:2.437 GHz Encryption key:off Extra:tsf=0004ed7ab5fa Have you tried: # iwconfig wlan0 essid The Cairngorm Hotel # dhcpcd wlan0 I did not try specifying the essid manually, given that it is the only essid in the vicinity and iwconfig shows that my machine has already associated with it. However, I've tried the dhcpcd wlan0 but it eventually times out. :( Do you have Windows installed? Do you get an IP address on Windows? No I don't. This is a Gentoo-only laptop. But other WinXP machines appear to get an IP address and connect happily to the Internet at both hotels. What else should I try? Would perhaps dhcpcd -S be needed to get the router to assign an IP address? I do not have much experience with wirelless connections because up until now I've been lucky enough to always connect to public (and private) WiFi routers effortlessly. -- Regards, Mick pgp9FCxKmXBQl.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] How do you make a gentoo system confirm to a release?
On Tue, 19 Dec 2006 13:06:05 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: My desktop machine at home is still on 2005.0 profile and yet, it is a fully up to date x86 system. If I were to make it a 2006.1 profile, it's very unlikely that anything would change at all. In this case, I expect there would be changes. 2006.1 introduced desktop and server sub-profiles, so 2006.1 itself contains a minimal set of USE flags, only those used by both server ans desktop. Thus it is possible that many of your packages would be rebuilt with an emerge -uavDN world. On the other hand, if you switched to a 2006.1/desktop profile, it is likely that very little would change, except maybe a few default USE flags that you hardly use. -- Neil Bothwick Software: (n.) That which hardware manufacturers can blame for physical failures. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] How do you make a gentoo system confirm to a release?
On Tuesday 19 December 2006 13:12, Bo Ørsted Andresen wrote: On Tuesday 19 December 2006 12:06, Alan McKinnon wrote: But, if you insist, you can do this: 1. Change your CHOST in /etc/make.conf 2. Change the /etc/make.profile symplink to point to the profile of your choice in /usr/portage/profiles 3. emerge -e system ; emerge -e world Whoa! Your instructions for changing CHOST are incomplete! There's a guide for that. Refer to it! Make sure to read the warnings in it. http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/change-chost.xml You are quite correct. In my defense it's something I only ever do once per machine and then forget all about it, so it's easy to forget about the issues involved alan -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] How do you make a gentoo system confirm to a release?
El Tue, 19 Dec 2006 13:06:05 +0200 Alan McKinnon [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: First, why do you want to downgrade from i686 to i586? Do you have an original pentium chip and you specified i686 by mistake? There's no other valid reason I can think of for such a downgrade. Unless there is a good reason, I agreen on this, but But, if you insist, you can do this: 1. Change your CHOST in /etc/make.conf 2. Change the /etc/make.profile symplink to point to the profile of your choice in /usr/portage/profiles 3. emerge -e system ; emerge -e world This is just the way to go if you want to take some fun fixing your installation later. The way to breakage. Changing chost can be a dangerous thing if there if your config files are not fully healthy, so, better use the guide: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/change-chost.xml Never ever remove the database, it just does not make any sense. The profile will mark new minimal versions that maybe will push some updates into the system, and some of them maybe for critical stuff like glibc, gcc or xorg. There are upgrade guides for those around. Just be vigilant and use --pretend --verbose after doing a thing to see what is new in the profile. Jesús Guerrero. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] How do you make a gentoo system confirm to a release?
On Tuesday 19 December 2006 13:31, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Tue, 19 Dec 2006 13:06:05 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: My desktop machine at home is still on 2005.0 profile and yet, it is a fully up to date x86 system. If I were to make it a 2006.1 profile, it's very unlikely that anything would change at all. In this case, I expect there would be changes. 2006.1 introduced desktop and server sub-profiles, so 2006.1 itself contains a minimal set of USE flags, only those used by both server ans desktop. Thus it is possible that many of your packages would be rebuilt with an emerge -uavDN world. On the other hand, if you switched to a 2006.1/desktop profile, it is likely that very little would change, except maybe a few default USE flags that you hardly use. Interestingly enough, I looked into this a month back when I had to create a glibc 2.3 chroot for a proprietary database (much like a 32 bit chroot on an AMD64). I extended default_linux/x86 to create a new minimal profile, but before that had to figure out how the new desktop/server profiles were set up. It turns out that I had explicit USE flags for everything in desktop, so the net change to switching main profiles for me would be 0. Of course, all of this is terribly interesting and has absolutely nothing to do with the OPs question :-) alan -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Googleearth: Filesize does not match recorded size
Hi
Has anybody else ran into this?
Emerging (488 of 792) x11-misc/googleearth-4_beta to /
Resuming download...
Downloading 'http://dl.google.com/earth/GE4/GoogleEarthLinux.bin'
--04:47:57-- http://dl.google.com/earth/GE4/GoogleEarthLinux.bin
= `/usr/portage/distfiles/GoogleEarthLinux.bin'
Resolving dl.google.com... 216.239.63.93, 216.239.63.91
Connecting to dl.google.com|216.239.63.93|:80... connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 206 Partial Content
Length: 21,618,415 (21M), 2,644,298 (2.5M) remaining
[application/octet-stream]
100%[+++==]
21,618,415 2.73K/sETA 00:00
05:04:25 (2.62 KB/s) - `/usr/portage/distfiles/GoogleEarthLinux.bin'
saved [21618415/21618415]
('Filesize does not match recorded size', 21618415L, 21466938)
!!! Fetched file: GoogleEarthLinux.bin VERIFY FAILED!
!!! Reason: Filesize does not match recorded size
!!! Got: 21618415
!!! Expected: 21466938
Removing corrupt distfile...
!!! Couldn't download 'GoogleEarthLinux.bin'. Aborting.
!!! Fetch for
/usr/portage/x11-misc/googleearth/googleearth-4_beta.ebuild failed,
continuing...
It seems to be thinking it is getting a bad download. Is this a bug or
is it just me? It does the same thing each time, downloads it then
pukes it out. Since I am on this slow dial-up and it takes about 2
hours for this download, I would rather it either like it or stop
trying. :-/ I do have it installed though and it is pretty cool. ;-)
If it is a bug, I'll file it. I just want to make sure it is not just me.
Dale
:-) :-)
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Re: [gentoo-user] nvidia-legacy-drivers problems/questions
On 12/18/06, Randy Barlow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 18 December 2006 21:52, Mark Knecht wrote: The commands are unclear to me in the sense that I may need to rebuild the kernel, or not, after running them. I cannot tell. Any idea? Well, before running make oldconfig, you should copy the .config file from the kernel you used just before this one (2.6.16-gentoo-r12 possibly?) to /usr/src/linux. make oldconfig will then create a new .config based on your previous settings for the new kernel. I don't know what make prepare does... someone else want to pick that one up? R Randy, I ran the commands, rebuilt the kernel, rebooted, etc., then attempted to emerge nvidia-legacy-drivers again. I got the same message. None the less I found the problem. Somehow in the gcc-4.1.1, emerge -e world gdm was removed from the system. Don't ask me why. I re-emerged gdm and everything is working now. Thanks, Mark -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Googleearth: Filesize does not match recorded size
On Tuesday, 19 December 2006 22:40, Dale wrote: Hi Has anybody else ran into this? [snip] It seems to be thinking it is getting a bad download. Is this a bug or is it just me? It does the same thing each time, downloads it then pukes it out. Since I am on this slow dial-up and it takes about 2 hours for this download, I would rather it either like it or stop trying. :-/ I do have it installed though and it is pretty cool. ;-) If it is a bug, I'll file it. I just want to make sure it is not just me. Upstream does not version their downloads or allow distros to mirror the files so whenever google updates the application the manifest won't match. Either your portage tree is too old or google earth has been updated recently. -- Raymond Lewis Rebbeck -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Googleearth: Filesize does not match recorded size
On 12/19/06, Raymond Lewis Rebbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday, 19 December 2006 22:40, Dale wrote: Hi Has anybody else ran into this? [snip] It seems to be thinking it is getting a bad download. Is this a bug or is it just me? It does the same thing each time, downloads it then pukes it out. Since I am on this slow dial-up and it takes about 2 hours for this download, I would rather it either like it or stop trying. :-/ I do have it installed though and it is pretty cool. ;-) If it is a bug, I'll file it. I just want to make sure it is not just me. Upstream does not version their downloads or allow distros to mirror the files so whenever google updates the application the manifest won't match. Either your portage tree is too old or google earth has been updated recently. -- Raymond Lewis Rebbeck I tried emerging itr and I'm seeing it also so it's not only you. Probably wait a day or two and it will get fixed on the servers. Cheers, Mark -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] OT DirectPush email and Windows Mobile 5...
I apologise in advance for this question being tenuously related to Gentoo... My justification is only that I really like my Gentoo-based Postfix /dovecot mail-server... but I also want to push emails to a connected Windows Mobile 5 PDA/phone. Historically mobile devices have polled for email - which kind-of worked... but was far from ideal as it introduced unnecessary delays if the poll-interval was too long - and killed battery life if the poll interval is too short (as well as running up bandwidth bills). Windows Mobile 5 touts a new Direct Push technology - which, as far as I can tell, is an Internet-based protocol which alerts the mobile device to establish a tcp connection and then listen on it waiting for a new message. I understand that push-email in the past was synchronised using SMS messages to force a poll - but that (expensive) option is now considered deprecated. The problem I have with Direct Push is that documentation is extremely scarce; frequently contradictory - and, it seems, always Microsoft centric and assuming closed-shop IT. The sales pitch from phone/network providers seems usually to be We envision all of our potential customers already have Microsoft Exchange, and can apply the 'Direct Push' option pack. - which is bizarre and infuriating... Is there a way to do Direct Push with Gentoo? While I'm aware of the standard techniques to interact from traditional email client hosts, email access from PDAs introduces the additional complexity of managing battery life on the mobile device. I'd like to use the supplied Windows Mobile 5 software on the mobile device is there an open source alternative to avoid me having to switch to Exchange for my mailserver? Do other Gentooists use push-email to a mobile device? Is the best option to plumb for more proprietary client-side software such as ChatterMail [ http://www.chatteremail.com/ ] ? -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Googleearth: Filesize does not match recorded size
On Tuesday 19 December 2006 14:10, Dale wrote: It seems to be thinking it is getting a bad download. Is this a bug or is it just me? It does the same thing each time, downloads it then pukes it out. Since I am on this slow dial-up and it takes about 2 hours for this download, I would rather it either like it or stop trying. :-/ I do have it installed though and it is pretty cool. ;-) If it is a bug, I'll file it. I just want to make sure it is not just me. Dale I also get this every now and then, often with proprietary packages. If google were to patch and recompile without changing version numbers. then this would happen as the binary size and MD5 no longer match. Or, it could be wrong data in portage. Try resync and try again. If that doesn't work, you could always check that the download is correct by comparing with google's published md5 and fixing your local portage tree: ebuild /path/to/googleearth/ebuild digest ebuild /path/to/googleearth/ebuild manifest alan -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Hotel WiFi does not like my Gentoo
Mick wrote: # iwlist wlan0 scan wlan0 Scan completed : Cell 01 - Address: 00:0C:20:03:3B:C5 ESSID:The Cairngorm Hotel Mode:Master Frequency:2.437 GHz Encryption key:off Extra:tsf=3D0004ed7ab5fa Have you tried: # iwconfig wlan0 essid The Cairngorm Hotel # dhcpcd wlan0 I did not try specifying the essid manually, given that it is the only essid in the vicinity and iwconfig shows that my machine has already associated with it. This is a stupid thing to write, and it may not help, but: Are you running wpa_supplicant? If so, have you tried stopping it? ^E -- Ed Santiago Toolsmith [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Googleearth: Filesize does not match recorded size
Mark Knecht wrote: On 12/19/06, Raymond Lewis Rebbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday, 19 December 2006 22:40, Dale wrote: Hi Has anybody else ran into this? [snip] It seems to be thinking it is getting a bad download. Is this a bug or is it just me? It does the same thing each time, downloads it then pukes it out. Since I am on this slow dial-up and it takes about 2 hours for this download, I would rather it either like it or stop trying. :-/ I do have it installed though and it is pretty cool. ;-) If it is a bug, I'll file it. I just want to make sure it is not just me. Upstream does not version their downloads or allow distros to mirror the files so whenever google updates the application the manifest won't match. Either your portage tree is too old or google earth has been updated recently. -- Raymond Lewis Rebbeck I tried emerging itr and I'm seeing it also so it's not only you. Probably wait a day or two and it will get fixed on the servers. Cheers, Mark I just installed it the other day so it would be just my luck that I would install it, then they would update it. :-\ I may just unmerge it then do it as a one shot and just update on occasion. At least that way it would not try to re-download it each time. At least they are updating it though. It could be worse. It could be like Yahoo messenger. :-( Thanks :D :D :D :D -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo healthy?
On Tue, Dec 19, 2006 at 11:27:04AM +0300, Andrey Gerasimenko wrote: Where can I get data on the number of Gentoo users and how it changes with time? Are the sync servers reporting the number of portage trees? Are the numbers of subscribers to Gentoo mailing lists available? Can the number of Gentoo developers and the number of developers per package be made known (there is a report somewhere in the thread that the number of developers increased from 60 to 300 in 3 days, but a finer time scale is of interest)? Getting rsync statistics is tricky (if not impossible) as Gentoo only controls a few rsync mirrors themselves. Also, many people, universities and companies are likely running private rsync mirrors further skewing statistics. You can get the number of subscribers to all our mailing lists at http://lists.gentoo.org/ml_stats.txt and some statistics on our forums is available at https://forums.gentoo.org/statistics.php. Don't take those statistics as any more than saying we have lots of users - the statistics aren't meant to answer how many users we have and they're probably completely wrong for answering that question. Regards, Bryan Østergaard -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Googleearth: Filesize does not match recorded size
Alan McKinnon wrote: On Tuesday 19 December 2006 14:10, Dale wrote: It seems to be thinking it is getting a bad download. Is this a bug or is it just me? It does the same thing each time, downloads it then pukes it out. Since I am on this slow dial-up and it takes about 2 hours for this download, I would rather it either like it or stop trying. :-/ I do have it installed though and it is pretty cool. ;-) If it is a bug, I'll file it. I just want to make sure it is not just me. Dale I also get this every now and then, often with proprietary packages. If google were to patch and recompile without changing version numbers. then this would happen as the binary size and MD5 no longer match. Or, it could be wrong data in portage. Try resync and try again. If that doesn't work, you could always check that the download is correct by comparing with google's published md5 and fixing your local portage tree: ebuild /path/to/googleearth/ebuild digest ebuild /path/to/googleearth/ebuild manifest alan Looks like Google would let distros mirror the thing so that versions and security measures can be used without causing trouble like this. I mean after all, I have went through this download about three or four times now. Since it is getting it from Google's site, I'm sure it is a good copy, not to mention it works well. Then again, Google has such a massive number of servers they likely don't even notice I am downloading again and again, well, they may see someone with a really slow connection connected for a couple hours. I also did a emerge --digest googleearth but it seems to only work once. Not sure what the deal is there. I'm also glad I didn't file a bug now too. Dale :-) :-) :-)
[gentoo-user] Changing system from single to dual CPU ?
I have an Opteron 242 system, to which I recently added a second processor and some more memory. I figured that to take advantage of that processor, all I needed to do was recompile to kernel, reboot, and set -j3 in the make.conf file. However, there must be something else, since when I try to compile the kernel with smp, I get a whole bunch of errors like this when I run make: dandelion linux # make CHK include/linux/version.h CHK include/linux/compile.h CHK usr/initramfs_list CC arch/i386/kernel/process.o In file included from include/asm/mpspec.h:5, from include/asm/smp.h:18, from include/linux/smp.h:19, from include/linux/sched.h:26, from arch/i386/kernel/process.c:18: include/asm/mpspec_def.h:78: warning: 'packed' attribute ignored for field of type 'unsigned char[5u]' CC arch/i386/kernel/semaphore.o CC arch/i386/kernel/signal.o In file included from include/asm/mpspec.h:5, from include/asm/smp.h:18, from include/linux/smp.h:19, from include/linux/sched.h:26, from arch/i386/kernel/signal.c:10: include/asm/mpspec_def.h:78: warning: 'packed' attribute ignored for field of type 'unsigned char[5u]' AS arch/i386/kernel/entry.o CC arch/i386/kernel/traps.o In file included from include/asm/mpspec.h:5, from include/asm/smp.h:18, from include/linux/smp.h:19, from include/linux/sched.h:26, from arch/i386/kernel/traps.c:15: include/asm/mpspec_def.h:78: warning: 'packed' attribute ignored for field of type 'unsigned char[5u]' snip for brevity, the last one is: In file included from include/asm/mpspec.h:5, from include/asm/smp.h:18, from include/linux/smp.h:19, from include/linux/sched.h:26, from include/linux/module.h:10, from fs/smbfs/smbfs.mod.c:1: include/asm/mpspec_def.h:78: warning: 'packed' attribute ignored for field of type 'unsigned char[5u]' LD [M] fs/smbfs/smbfs.ko -- So no normal end to the compile. This is with gentoo-sources 2.6.14-r5. I can't upgrade that right now for other reasons. The system is compiled as an x86 system, not amd64, and the only change in kernel config is related to smp: dandelion linux # grep -i smp .config # CONFIG_X86_BIGSMP is not set CONFIG_SMP=y CONFIG_X86_FIND_SMP_CONFIG=y CONFIG_X86_SMP=y Any ideas? Joel T. Osburn -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: Dual Layer burn program
On 2006-12-17, Luigi Pinna [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How can I burn a 8.5 GByte iso? I tried with k3b and I receive an error and growisofs failed at 99.9% with input/output error. Growisofs works fine on dual-layer DVDs for me. I did have some failures when using a drive that was in an external PATA/USB box, but once I moved the drive into the computer and attached it to an IDE controller, it's worked fine. -- Grant Edwards grante Yow! It's hard being at an ARTIST!! visi.com -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: Is Gentoo healthy?
On 2006-12-18, Grant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've caught a whiff or two lately that Gentoo is declining in popularity amongst users and developers. Is it all in my head? I personally still love Gentoo. AFAICT, it's still a favorite of Grants everywhere -- Grant Edwards grante Yow! Hello. Just walk at along and try NOT to think visi.comabout your INTESTINES being almost FORTY YARDS LONG!! -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Changing system from single to dual CPU ?
On 12/19/06, Joel Osburn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have an Opteron 242 system, to which I recently added a second processor and some more memory. I figured that to take advantage of that processor, all I needed to do was recompile to kernel, reboot, and set -j3 in the make.conf file. However, there must be something else, since when I try to compile the kernel with smp, I get a whole bunch of errors like this when I run make: snip Everything you posted is just a warning, and should not cause the kernel build to fail. So no normal end to the compile. If the compile really is failing, it probably isn't due to the warnings you posted above. Try posting the last dozen or so messages you get from the build. -Richard -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is Gentoo healthy?
On AD 2006 December 19 Tuesday 05:23:10 PM +, Grant Edwards wrote: AFAICT, it's still a favorite of Grants everywhere I'll grant you that. Justin -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] fbiterm
What is it? eix says Framebuffer internationalized terminal emulator and the homepage is supposed to be http://www-124.ibm.com/linux/projects/iterm/; It seems this is a IBM decoy, since it gets mercilessly redirected to http://www.ibm.com/us/ (I really really hate this kind of behaviour!) Anyone using this? I'm just curious about how far one can go without X... -- Jorge Almeida -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] WHAT IS Gentoo architecture for Pentium4 Prescott-2M
On Mon, 2006-12-18 at 22:35 -0600, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: x86_64 is the generic name for amd64, emt64, and x64 (see below) so that is correct for the CHOST setting for that architecture. Chips using that architecture are also generally happy running as a x86 CHOST. For Itanium, the correct CHOST is (IIRC) ia64, and I'm not sure how well Gentoo supports it. Ah yes. It's been a while. Trying to piece most of this together from memory :) -- Statux [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
[gentoo-user] CFLAGS Core2Duo
Hi all,
I have a Core2Duo T5600 1,83 MHz in my notebook. Today I read on the
GentooWeeklyNewsletter to use -march=nocona (and an amd64 profile) for Core
2 Solo/Duo
Currently I'm using:
CFLAGS=-O2 -march=pentium-m -pipe
CHOST=i686-pc-linux-gnu
CXXFLAGS=${CFLAGS}
MAKEOPTS=-j3
and
/usr/portage/profiles/default-linux/x86/2006.1/desktop/
as profile and gcc -v told me I'm using 4.1.1-r1
Now my questions:
1. What wold be the benefits of chanching the CFLAGS?
2. After chanching do I have to emerge everithing again? or what should I
do?
3. They mentiont to use a amd64 profile, does this mean to use 64bit?
because I would like to stay with 32bit.
4. I used gcc -v to check the gcc verison I'm using, is this the rigth
command?
Thanks for any help
Jakob
Re: [gentoo-user] CFLAGS Core2Duo
On Tuesday 19 December 2006 13:18, Jakob [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about '[gentoo-user] CFLAGS Core2Duo': I have a Core2Duo T5600 1,83 MHz in my notebook. Today I read on the GentooWeeklyNewsletter to use -march=nocona (and an amd64 profile) for Core 2 Solo/Duo 3. They mentiont to use a amd64 profile, does this mean to use 64bit? because I would like to stay with 32bit. Yes. If you want to stick with 32-bit, your settings seem fine, although there may be a better -march setting available to you. -- If there's one thing we've established over the years, it's that the vast majority of our users don't have the slightest clue what's best for them in terms of package stability. -- Gentoo Developer Ciaran McCreesh pgpK1ngdnIO89.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Nvidia + glxgears slower than before
On 12/19/06, Raymond Lewis Rebbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday, 19 December 2006 9:42, Jakob wrote: Hi all, I have a strage problem, some month ago I bougth a new laptop (Core2duo 1,83 Ghz + Geforce 7600). The first thing I did was installing gentoo, and after X was finished I installed the nvidia-driver an run glxgears to see the difference between my old desktop and my new laptop. I got about 1.000 FPS and was happy. I continued installing the system and built some new kernels to get all the things working like wlan etc. some days later I run glxgears again and was shocked of the glxgears output: 31189 frames in 5.0 seconds = 6237.635 FPS 31163 frames in 5.0 seconds = 6232.600 FPS 31178 frames in 5.0 seconds = 6235.511 FPS since this time I never got more than 6400.000 FPS, I `ve tried to install newer versions of nvidia-driver and the nvidia-driver from the nvidia page but its not going over 6400.000 FPS. After some time I thougth maybe it didnt run faster the first time and I was remembering wrong but than I saw a forum entry from someone with the same notebook running fedoracore and he postet his putput of glxgears and got about 1.000 FPS. Has anyone any ideas what the problem could be??? I dont want to install gentoo again because everything else works fine. Thanks and Regards Jakob The problem is that glxgears is not a benchmark. Run some real programs and if you have performance problems with those, then you have something to worry about. -- Raymond Lewis Rebbeck -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list Hmm ok, I still think its very strange that I didnt get that much FPS than the first time an someone with the same notebook still does. does someone know a benchmak tool for opengl? I searched in portage but I didnt find one. Regard Jakob
RE: [gentoo-user] Changing system from single to dual CPU ?
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 12/19/06, Joel Osburn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have an Opteron 242 system, to which I recently added a second processor and some more memory. I figured that to take advantage of that processor, all I needed to do was recompile to kernel, reboot, and set -j3 in the make.conf file. However, there must be something else, since when I try to compile the kernel with smp, I get a whole bunch of errors like this when I run make: snip Everything you posted is just a warning, and should not cause the kernel build to fail. So no normal end to the compile. If the compile really is failing, it probably isn't due to the warnings you posted above. Try posting the last dozen or so messages you get from the build. -Richard -- I'm accustomed to a kernel build ending with information regarding kernel image size. This build ends with: In file included from include/asm/mpspec.h:5, from include/asm/smp.h:18, from include/linux/smp.h:19, from include/linux/sched.h:26, from include/linux/module.h:10, from drivers/message/i2o/i2o_bus.mod.c:1: include/asm/mpspec_def.h:78: warning: 'packed' attribute ignored for field of type 'unsigned char[5u]' LD [M] drivers/message/i2o/i2o_bus.ko CC drivers/message/i2o/i2o_config.mod.o In file included from include/asm/mpspec.h:5, from include/asm/smp.h:18, from include/linux/smp.h:19, from include/linux/sched.h:26, from include/linux/module.h:10, from drivers/message/i2o/i2o_config.mod.c:1: include/asm/mpspec_def.h:78: warning: 'packed' attribute ignored for field of type 'unsigned char[5u]' LD [M] drivers/message/i2o/i2o_config.ko CC drivers/message/i2o/i2o_core.mod.o In file included from include/asm/mpspec.h:5, from include/asm/smp.h:18, from include/linux/smp.h:19, from include/linux/sched.h:26, from include/linux/module.h:10, from drivers/message/i2o/i2o_core.mod.c:1: include/asm/mpspec_def.h:78: warning: 'packed' attribute ignored for field of type 'unsigned char[5u]' LD [M] drivers/message/i2o/i2o_core.ko CC drivers/message/i2o/i2o_proc.mod.o In file included from include/asm/mpspec.h:5, from include/asm/smp.h:18, from include/linux/smp.h:19, from include/linux/sched.h:26, from include/linux/module.h:10, from drivers/message/i2o/i2o_proc.mod.c:1: include/asm/mpspec_def.h:78: warning: 'packed' attribute ignored for field of type 'unsigned char[5u]' LD [M] drivers/message/i2o/i2o_proc.ko CC drivers/message/i2o/i2o_scsi.mod.o In file included from include/asm/mpspec.h:5, from include/asm/smp.h:18, from include/linux/smp.h:19, from include/linux/sched.h:26, from include/linux/module.h:10, from drivers/message/i2o/i2o_scsi.mod.c:1: include/asm/mpspec_def.h:78: warning: 'packed' attribute ignored for field of type 'unsigned char[5u]' LD [M] drivers/message/i2o/i2o_scsi.ko CC drivers/net/dummy.mod.o In file included from include/asm/mpspec.h:5, from include/asm/smp.h:18, from include/linux/smp.h:19, from include/linux/sched.h:26, from include/linux/module.h:10, from drivers/net/dummy.mod.c:1: include/asm/mpspec_def.h:78: warning: 'packed' attribute ignored for field of type 'unsigned char[5u]' LD [M] drivers/net/dummy.ko CC fs/binfmt_misc.mod.o In file included from include/asm/mpspec.h:5, from include/asm/smp.h:18, from include/linux/smp.h:19, from include/linux/sched.h:26, from include/linux/module.h:10, from fs/binfmt_misc.mod.c:1: include/asm/mpspec_def.h:78: warning: 'packed' attribute ignored for field of type 'unsigned char[5u]' LD [M] fs/binfmt_misc.ko CC fs/cifs/cifs.mod.o In file included from include/asm/mpspec.h:5, from include/asm/smp.h:18, from include/linux/smp.h:19, from include/linux/sched.h:26, from include/linux/module.h:10, from fs/cifs/cifs.mod.c:1: include/asm/mpspec_def.h:78: warning: 'packed' attribute ignored for field of type 'unsigned char[5u]' LD [M] fs/cifs/cifs.ko CC fs/ntfs/ntfs.mod.o In file included from include/asm/mpspec.h:5, from include/asm/smp.h:18, from include/linux/smp.h:19, from include/linux/sched.h:26, from include/linux/module.h:10, from fs/ntfs/ntfs.mod.c:1: include/asm/mpspec_def.h:78: warning: 'packed' attribute ignored for field
Re: [gentoo-user] CFLAGS Core2Duo
On 12/19/06, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 19 December 2006 13:18, Jakob [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about '[gentoo-user] CFLAGS Core2Duo': I have a Core2Duo T5600 1,83 MHz in my notebook. Today I read on the GentooWeeklyNewsletter to use -march=nocona (and an amd64 profile) for Core 2 Solo/Duo 3. They mentiont to use a amd64 profile, does this mean to use 64bit? because I would like to stay with 32bit. Yes. If you want to stick with 32-bit, your settings seem fine, although there may be a better -march setting available to you. -- If there's one thing we've established over the years, it's that the vast majority of our users don't have the slightest clue what's best for them in terms of package stability. -- Gentoo Developer Ciaran McCreesh Thaks for the quick reply. On http://gentoo-wiki.com/Safe_Cflags they say for 32bit use: CFLAGS=-march=prescott -O2 -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer Is this wat you meant for better -march settings? I was confused by the GWN because they didnt say its for 64bit only. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] CFLAGS Core2Duo
On Tuesday 19 December 2006 13:48, Jakob [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about 'Re: [gentoo-user] CFLAGS Core2Duo': Thaks for the quick reply. On http://gentoo-wiki.com/Safe_Cflags they say for 32bit use: CFLAGS=-march=prescott -O2 -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer Is this wat you meant for better -march settings? Specifically, I meant that -march=prescott is probably better than -march=pentium-m. If you use Konqueror, hit URL: info:/gcc/i386 and x86-64 Options ; or just use your favorite infotext reader to look at the x86(_64) machine specific options, so you are generating code tuned particularly to your processor. I was confused by the GWN because they didnt say its for 64bit only. Well, a lot of people assume that buying a 64-bit processor means you actually want to use the extra bits (and registers). Of course, it's getting harder and harder to buy a non-64 bit chip. -- If there's one thing we've established over the years, it's that the vast majority of our users don't have the slightest clue what's best for them in terms of package stability. -- Gentoo Developer Ciaran McCreesh pgpJh1cDx1zdo.pgp Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-user] Overlay moved
My portage overlay has moved from git.jhcloos.org to freedesktop.org. If you have a clone, please edit .git/remotes/origin and replace the old URL with either of: git://people.freedesktop.org/~cloos/overlay.git http://people.freedesktop.org/~cloos/overlay.git (http is there for those who have a firewall blocking the native git protocol; using git:// urls is faster, in my experience.) -JimC -- James Cloos [EMAIL PROTECTED] OpenPGP: 1024D/ED7DAEA6 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT DirectPush email and Windows Mobile 5...
On 12:53 Tue 19 Dec , Steve [Gentoo] wrote: I apologise in advance for this question being tenuously related to Gentoo... My justification is only that I really like my Gentoo-based Postfix /dovecot mail-server... but I also want to push emails to a connected Windows Mobile 5 PDA/phone. Historically mobile devices have polled for email - which kind-of worked... but was far from ideal as it introduced unnecessary delays if the poll-interval was too long - and killed battery life if the poll interval is too short (as well as running up bandwidth bills). Windows Mobile 5 touts a new Direct Push technology - which, as far as I can tell, is an Internet-based protocol which alerts the mobile device to establish a tcp connection and then listen on it waiting for a new message. I understand that push-email in the past was synchronised using SMS messages to force a poll - but that (expensive) option is now considered deprecated. The problem I have with Direct Push is that documentation is extremely scarce; frequently contradictory - and, it seems, always Microsoft centric and assuming closed-shop IT. The sales pitch from phone/network providers seems usually to be We envision all of our potential customers already have Microsoft Exchange, and can apply the 'Direct Push' option pack. - which is bizarre and infuriating... Is there a way to do Direct Push with Gentoo? While I'm aware of the standard techniques to interact from traditional email client hosts, email access from PDAs introduces the additional complexity of managing battery life on the mobile device. I'd like to use the supplied Windows Mobile 5 software on the mobile device is there an open source alternative to avoid me having to switch to Exchange for my mailserver? Do other Gentooists use push-email to a mobile device? Is the best option to plumb for more proprietary client-side software such as ChatterMail [ http://www.chatteremail.com/ ] ? Hi there, This is something I'd love for Gentoo or any OSS alternative to do - I've got a Windows Mobile 5 device, and currently have an old machine just running Windows 2000 and Exchange at home for my push e-mail which frequently breaks (like today when Windows rebooted automatically for a hotfix and the machine didn't come up again) As far as I know, DirectPush uses a GPRS connection only (it won't use the built-in WiFi on the phone if available) and basically sends a small ping request every minute to the server over IP, which the server replies to telling the device that there are no new messages or new messages in which case it opens a connection to the server to sync. I had to load a service pack onto my Exchange Server, as well as onto my Windows Mobile device to get DirectPush as an option, I'd just love for this to be an option for any IMAP enabled server (as far as I can make out it uses the Exchange Outlook Web Access functionality for DirectPush to work) Maybe this will be something Microsoft will open up as part of the EU investigation which means they must publish interoperability specs for their API's? -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] CFLAGS Core2Duo
What is your strategical vision to this (use C2D as 32-bit or 64-bit) alternatives? Is it smart to hope Gentoo AMD64 FAQ will be thiner and thiner during upcoming months? :-) === On Tuesday 19 December 2006 23:13, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: === ... Of course, it's getting harder and harder to buy a non-64 bit chip. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] CFLAGS Core2Duo
On 12/19/06, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 19 December 2006 13:48, Jakob [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about 'Re: [gentoo-user] CFLAGS Core2Duo': Thaks for the quick reply. On http://gentoo-wiki.com/Safe_Cflags they say for 32bit use: CFLAGS=-march=prescott -O2 -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer Is this wat you meant for better -march settings? Specifically, I meant that -march=prescott is probably better than -march=pentium-m. If you use Konqueror, hit URL: info:/gcc/i386 and x86-64 Options ; or just use your favorite infotext reader to look at the x86(_64) machine specific options, so you are generating code tuned particularly to your processor. I was confused by the GWN because they didnt say its for 64bit only. Well, a lot of people assume that buying a 64-bit processor means you actually want to use the extra bits (and registers). Of course, it's getting harder and harder to buy a non-64 bit chip. -- If there's one thing we've established over the years, it's that the vast majority of our users don't have the slightest clue what's best for them in terms of package stability. -- Gentoo Developer Ciaran McCreesh Its funny till yesterday I didnt even know It supports 64bit ;-) I think I will change to -march=prescott and stick with 32bit. do I have to run emerge -avuD world after changing to -march=prescott? -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] CFLAGS Core2Duo
On 12/19/06, Jakob [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 12/19/06, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 19 December 2006 13:48, Jakob [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about 'Re: [gentoo-user] CFLAGS Core2Duo': Thaks for the quick reply. On http://gentoo-wiki.com/Safe_Cflags they say for 32bit use: CFLAGS=-march=prescott -O2 -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer Is this wat you meant for better -march settings? Specifically, I meant that -march=prescott is probably better than -march=pentium-m. If you use Konqueror, hit URL: info:/gcc/i386 and x86-64 Options ; or just use your favorite infotext reader to look at the x86(_64) machine specific options, so you are generating code tuned particularly to your processor. I was confused by the GWN because they didnt say its for 64bit only. Well, a lot of people assume that buying a 64-bit processor means you actually want to use the extra bits (and registers). Of course, it's getting harder and harder to buy a non-64 bit chip. -- If there's one thing we've established over the years, it's that the vast majority of our users don't have the slightest clue what's best for them in terms of package stability. -- Gentoo Developer Ciaran McCreesh Its funny till yesterday I didnt even know It supports 64bit ;-) I think I will change to -march=prescott and stick with 32bit. do I have to run emerge -avuD world after changing to -march=prescott? for now I will stick with 32bit, I think I will Install 64bit to another partition in some weeks -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] CFLAGS Core2Duo
On Tuesday 19 December 2006 14:56, Jakob [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about 'Re: [gentoo-user] CFLAGS Core2Duo': do I have to run emerge -avuD world after changing to -march=prescott? No, that's not required. -- If there's one thing we've established over the years, it's that the vast majority of our users don't have the slightest clue what's best for them in terms of package stability. -- Gentoo Developer Ciaran McCreesh pgpb36BoKzAwH.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] CFLAGS Core2Duo
On Tuesday 19 December 2006 14:46, Andrew Gaydenko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about 'Re: [gentoo-user] CFLAGS Core2Duo': What is your strategical vision to this (use C2D as 32-bit or 64-bit) alternatives? All (well, very nearly all) the software I need is available in 64-bit versions, partially because I disdain proprietary software, so running 64-bit gives better performance with little cost. Is it smart to hope Gentoo AMD64 FAQ will be thiner and thiner during upcoming months? :-) Yes, it will. There will be fewer and fewer issues as 64-bit operation becomes the norm. My current advice is to read the FAQ and if anything mentioned is an issue for you, go with 32-bit. You lose some, but also gain some ease of use. -- If there's one thing we've established over the years, it's that the vast majority of our users don't have the slightest clue what's best for them in terms of package stability. -- Gentoo Developer Ciaran McCreesh pgpCCdpLNBp5J.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] [O.T] photomosaic
Have you tried hugin http://hugin.sourceforge.net/ I think its in portage Kumar On 12/14/06, Arnau Bria [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 14 Dec 2006 14:30:17 + Redouane Boumghar wrote: Hello Arnau Hi, I'm sorry I didn't understand what you were looking for. It's ok, I must improve my English! I proposed Image Magick and it sure can do it but with a little head-scratch. So if i may resume u need : - A parent picture - A list of other pictures to fill the mosaic that's it! With Image Magick you can extract a portion (according to you discretization parameters) from the parent picture and then compare it with the list of pictures you have by comparing metrics like RMSE and then compose your mosaic with most revelant pictures at each portion of the parent one. I'll post a shell script for this if I have time. This could be fun, That would be nice! Have a good day and tell me if you find a program that does it, at this point I have only found metapixel :-( it's nice, but i'm looking for something better. Red. Thanks! -- Arnau Bria http://blog.emergetux.net Wiggum: Dispara a las ruedas Lou. Lou: eee, es un tanque jefe. Wiggum: Me tienes hartito con todas tus excusas. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Changing system from single to dual CPU ?
Might I suggest trying the following prior to your normal (I assume genkernel) build process. cd to /usr/src/linuxyour version as root type make mrproper This will ensure that your build tree is pristene. Now you should be able to run genkernel without problems. ---BeginMessage--- I have an Opteron 242 system, to which I recently added a second processor and some more memory. I figured that to take advantage of that processor, all I needed to do was recompile to kernel, reboot, and set -j3 in the make.conf file. However, there must be something else, since when I try to compile the kernel with smp, I get a whole bunch of errors like this when I run make: dandelion linux # make CHK include/linux/version.h CHK include/linux/compile.h CHK usr/initramfs_list CC arch/i386/kernel/process.o In file included from include/asm/mpspec.h:5, from include/asm/smp.h:18, from include/linux/smp.h:19, from include/linux/sched.h:26, from arch/i386/kernel/process.c:18: include/asm/mpspec_def.h:78: warning: 'packed' attribute ignored for field of type 'unsigned char[5u]' CC arch/i386/kernel/semaphore.o CC arch/i386/kernel/signal.o In file included from include/asm/mpspec.h:5, from include/asm/smp.h:18, from include/linux/smp.h:19, from include/linux/sched.h:26, from arch/i386/kernel/signal.c:10: include/asm/mpspec_def.h:78: warning: 'packed' attribute ignored for field of type 'unsigned char[5u]' AS arch/i386/kernel/entry.o CC arch/i386/kernel/traps.o In file included from include/asm/mpspec.h:5, from include/asm/smp.h:18, from include/linux/smp.h:19, from include/linux/sched.h:26, from arch/i386/kernel/traps.c:15: include/asm/mpspec_def.h:78: warning: 'packed' attribute ignored for field of type 'unsigned char[5u]' snip for brevity, the last one is: In file included from include/asm/mpspec.h:5, from include/asm/smp.h:18, from include/linux/smp.h:19, from include/linux/sched.h:26, from include/linux/module.h:10, from fs/smbfs/smbfs.mod.c:1: include/asm/mpspec_def.h:78: warning: 'packed' attribute ignored for field of type 'unsigned char[5u]' LD [M] fs/smbfs/smbfs.ko -- So no normal end to the compile. This is with gentoo-sources 2.6.14-r5. I can't upgrade that right now for other reasons. The system is compiled as an x86 system, not amd64, and the only change in kernel config is related to smp: dandelion linux # grep -i smp .config # CONFIG_X86_BIGSMP is not set CONFIG_SMP=y CONFIG_X86_FIND_SMP_CONFIG=y CONFIG_X86_SMP=y Any ideas? Joel T. Osburn -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list---End Message---
RE: [gentoo-user] Changing system from single to dual CPU ?
From: Maurice E Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 3:03 PM Might I suggest trying the following prior to your normal (I assume genkernel) build process. I don't use genkernel, never have. I did try the following: copy the .config to another directory, make clean make mrproper copy the .config back make oldconfig Make Same end result, though. The only change in the config from my working single cpu kernel is to answer yes to SMP, as outlined in my original mail. cd to /usr/src/linuxyour version as root type make mrproper This will ensure that your build tree is pristene. Now you should be able to run genkernel without problems. I wish. Thanks for the suggestion, though! Joel -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] [O.T] photomosaic
Picasa does awesome mosaics. Alan On 12/20/06, Kumar Golap [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have you tried hugin http://hugin.sourceforge.net/ I think its in portage Kumar On 12/14/06, Arnau Bria [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 14 Dec 2006 14:30:17 + Redouane Boumghar wrote: Hello Arnau Hi, I'm sorry I didn't understand what you were looking for. It's ok, I must improve my English! I proposed Image Magick and it sure can do it but with a little head-scratch. So if i may resume u need : - A parent picture - A list of other pictures to fill the mosaic that's it! With Image Magick you can extract a portion (according to you discretization parameters) from the parent picture and then compare it with the list of pictures you have by comparing metrics like RMSE and then compose your mosaic with most revelant pictures at each portion of the parent one. I'll post a shell script for this if I have time. This could be fun, That would be nice! Have a good day and tell me if you find a program that does it, at this point I have only found metapixel :-( it's nice, but i'm looking for something better. Red. Thanks! -- Arnau Bria http://blog.emergetux.net Wiggum: Dispara a las ruedas Lou. Lou: eee, es un tanque jefe. Wiggum: Me tienes hartito con todas tus excusas. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- Alan Davis, Kagman High School, Saipan [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1-670-256-2043 I consider that the golden rule requires that if I like a program I must share it with other people who like it. Richard Stallman -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo healthy?
On Tue, 2006-12-19 at 11:27 +0300, Andrey Gerasimenko wrote: On Mon, 18 Dec 2006 20:27:20 +0300, Hemmann, Volker Armin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (there is a report somewhere in the thread that the number of developers increased from 60 to 300 in 3 days, but a finer time scale is of interest)? 3 years actually. 60 to 300 in 3 days would be... interesting! On Mon, 2006-12-18 at 23:23 +0100, Bryan Østergaard wrote: In the last 3 years that I've been a Gentoo developer we've grown from ~80 developers to 330+ developers. That's a yearly growth of 60% or more. cya, -- Iain Buchanan iaindb at netspace dot net dot au A motion to adjourn is always in order. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Changing system from single to dual CPU ?
On Wednesday 20 December 2006 00:09, Joel Osburn wrote: From: Maurice E Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 3:03 PM Might I suggest trying the following prior to your normal (I assume genkernel) build process. I don't use genkernel, never have. I did try the following: copy the .config to another directory, make clean make mrproper copy the .config back make oldconfig Make make menuconfig before make (make all modules_install install) and kick out smbfs. It is deprecated and broken. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Gnome-Panel's Network Monitor gives an error
Thanks, I'll give it a try. Gabriel Adam Carter wrote: I had a similar issue with the gnome clock, I tried a number of things to get it working but I think revdep-rebuild -X was the winner. Emerge gentoolkit if you don't have it. HTH, Adam -Original Message- From: Gabriel Rossetti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 7:44 PM To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: [gentoo-user] Gnome-Panel's Network Monitor gives an error Hello, I just went from stable to ~x86 and now gnome gives me this error when it tries to load the gnome-panel's network-monitor : The panel encountered a problem while loading OAFIID:GNOME_NetstatusApplet. Do you want to delete the applet from your configuration? -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] CFLAGS Core2Duo
On 12/19/06, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 19 December 2006 14:46, Andrew Gaydenko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about 'Re: [gentoo-user] CFLAGS Core2Duo': What is your strategical vision to this (use C2D as 32-bit or 64-bit) alternatives? All (well, very nearly all) the software I need is available in 64-bit versions, partially because I disdain proprietary software, so running 64-bit gives better performance with little cost. Is it smart to hope Gentoo AMD64 FAQ will be thiner and thiner during upcoming months? :-) Yes, it will. There will be fewer and fewer issues as 64-bit operation becomes the norm. My current advice is to read the FAQ and if anything mentioned is an issue for you, go with 32-bit. You lose some, but also gain some ease of use. -- If there's one thing we've established over the years, it's that the vast majority of our users don't have the slightest clue what's best for them in terms of package stability. -- Gentoo Developer Ciaran McCreesh Thanks for your help, I´ll change it tomorrow when I´m back home. Jakob -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] CFLAGS Core2Duo
On Tue, 2006-12-19 at 21:58 +0100, Jakob wrote: On 12/19/06, Jakob [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 12/19/06, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 19 December 2006 13:48, Jakob [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote ... for now I will stick with 32bit, I think I will Install 64bit to another partition in some weeks Is it still the case thats its impossible to upgrade a 32bit gentoo on athlon64 to 64 bit - requires a full reinstall? Billk -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo healthy?
I personally still love Gentoo. What's the problem then? :) Can we agree that active developers are good for Gentoo, and the more the better? I think other posters to this thread may be trying to compile a similar set of statistics, but I'll just come out and say it. Can we compare historical data on the number of Gentoo users and the rate of Gentoo maintenance and growth? Conceptually, I would think a 2-axis chart along with three plot-lines would be appropriate. Which data points should be plotted? We need something to represent users, maintenance, and growth. - Grant -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is Gentoo healthy?
I've caught a whiff or two lately that Gentoo is declining in
popularity amongst users and developers. Is it all in my head? I
personally still love Gentoo.
AFAICT, it's still a favorite of Grants everywhere
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Have you noticed that Grants love other Grants? I know I do.
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Re: [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo healthy?
Grant wrote: I personally still love Gentoo. Well, I don't know anything ... I'm just a lowly user, not a tech I'd never compiled a kernel before using Gentoo or wrote a configuration file. However, I have to say that, for me, Gentoo is hands down the easiest distro to maintain. It has the best documentation, this list is the most helpful of any that I've been on. So, my hat goes off to the developers, documentation writers and the people that support Gentoo may they live long, happy and health lives. I, for one, would be devastated without Gentoo! Seasons Greetings, to all! Colleen Beamer -- Registered Linux User #411143 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] kernel woes..
Can you help with this please? http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-3793329.html#3793329 thanks LN -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Apple keyboards with Gentoo
Anyone using an Apple USB keyboard with Gentoo Linux? Specifically, Im running XFCE4 and want to figure out how to map some keys and get some missing functionality. How can I set these up with X11/XFCE? Also, I can't seem to switch between X11 and the console (I think I can't even switch consoles outside of X11) Anyone have any pointers / FAQs? (I already Googled and an archive search proved fruitless). -- A -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo healthy?
Colleen Beamer wrote: Grant wrote: I personally still love Gentoo. Well, I don't know anything ... I'm just a lowly user, not a tech I'd never compiled a kernel before using Gentoo or wrote a configuration file. However, I have to say that, for me, Gentoo is hands down the easiest distro to maintain. It has the best documentation, this list is the most helpful of any that I've been on. So, my hat goes off to the developers, documentation writers and the people that support Gentoo may they live long, happy and health lives. I, for one, would be devastated without Gentoo! Seasons Greetings, to all! Colleen Beamer Here here, ditto and all that stuff. You my twin maybe? Dale :-) :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo healthy?
On 20 December 2006 03:58, Grant wrote: I think other posters to this thread may be trying to compile a similar set of statistics, but I'll just come out and say it. Can we compare historical data on the number of Gentoo users and the rate of Gentoo maintenance and growth? Conceptually, I would think a 2-axis chart along with three plot-lines would be appropriate. Which data points should be plotted? We need something to represent users, maintenance, and growth. As others have said, it is next to impossible to determine the number of users to any degree of accuracy. Commercial distros can at least tell how many sets of CDs/DVDs they sell, although that doesn't give them the exact number of users either. It is even more difficult for distros like Gentoo where everyone can download the stuff. The Polytechnic of Namibia maintains an unofficial Gentoo mirror. So everyone around here that can access their network uses their mirror. Those downloads are invisible for Gentoo. I maintain one portage tree and install all my customers' boxes from it. These installations are even less visible to Gentoo. I can't think of any method to get real numbers. Uwe -- A fast and easy generator of fractals for KDE: http://www.SysEx.com.na/iwy-1.0.tar.bz2 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] CFLAGS Core2Duo
Is there a tool to query a portage to get a list of all packages which have 'testing' or 'stable' status for x86 and have 'not available' or 'hard masked' status for amd64? === On Wednesday 20 December 2006 01:38, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: === ... Is it smart to hope Gentoo AMD64 FAQ will be thiner and thiner during upcoming months? :-) Yes, it will. There will be fewer and fewer issues as 64-bit operation becomes the norm. ... -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
