[gentoo-user] Re: HIJACKING THREADS
Hal Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Stroller wrote: On 10 Jun 2008, at 21:55, Thomas Pedersen wrote: Was thinking of buying the Western Digital' My Book® Home Edition™, specially because of the eSATA connection... I heard they have an internal USB-hub for making the capacity gauge working. I'm sorry, but I fail to see why the above example mentioned qualifies as Thread Hijacking. Allright. Then just check the headers. :) He started a new thread to pose his question, and, No, he did not. Check the headers of his mail/post. You'll find: In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please don't hijack threads like this. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thread_hijacking http://groups.google.com/group/linux.gentoo.user/msg/8a540add45e7e9b8? It is irritating for people using thread-aware e-mail clients... In case you didn't know, it happens when you use reply for sending a new question instead of composing a new message. Exactly. He *did* compose a new message, Yes. In a reply to some other message. That's what people usually call Thread Hijacking. there is no Re: in the header True. That's not enough, though. and no other content in the message. Doesn't matter. Michael -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo + Asus Eee
On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 01:19:14 -0400, Walter Dnes wrote: I'm thinking of doing something similar soon. Another reason for not building on the EEE is to save wear-and-tear on the flash drive. I suppose one should also use a filesystem without journalling to save the flash drive. Another option is to mount an external hard drive at /var/tmp/portage when building large packages. -- Neil Bothwick There's an old proverb that says just about whatever you want it to signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo + Asus Eee
On Thursday 12 June 2008, Walter Dnes wrote: While we're at it, can Gentoo run without a swap partition or swap file? Any Linux can run just fine without swap. -- Alan McKinnon alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo + Asus Eee
On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 15:53:52 -0700, Grant wrote: Yeah how is the thing to use? How long does a firefox compile take? [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ 0]% genlop -i mozilla-firefox * www-client/mozilla-firefox Total builds: 1 Global build time: 1 hour, 24 minutes and 2 seconds. Info about currently installed ebuild: * www-client/mozilla-firefox-2.0.0.14 Install date: Sun May 18 22:22:48 2008 USE=java -mozdevelop -bindist -xforms -restrict-javascript -filepicker -iceweasel CFLAGS=-march=pentium-m -pipe -Wno-return-type -w How is xfce on there? No idea, I use KDE, Xandros uses IceWM with KDE apps. Is the screen and keyboard too small? They are small, whether they are too small depends on the size of your fingers and the age of your eyes :) The PC 900's screen is a definite improvement. I wouldn't want to work on mine all day, but that's what desktop computers are for. It's a compromise, but a pretty good one, especially as you get used to the smaller keyboard. -- Neil Bothwick Do hungry crows have ravenous appetites? signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] python-2.5
There is a reopened python2.5 stabilisation request on http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=178800 with some interesting comments... There you can find some other bugs about it in the comments... Thanks for the link. As far as I see only a qterm depend bug is blocking. I switched to 2.5 without problems till now. As I use alot of python based programms for work I will soon notice if this was a good Idea or not. Thanks for suggestions. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] HIJACKING THREADS
Chris Walters wrote: Everyone makes mistakes, and it is can be good to point them out, though I do think this thread is a bit of overkill - a private message to the person who made the mistake is usually enough. I agree the thread is overkill, the first message was not. Stroller's message was polite and included links to educate people. I don't think a private message is the way to go in these cases because: 1: Most people learn about proper threading from these kind of messages. Few ever see full headers or have even heard of In-Reply-To:. 2: Private-only messages can actually make the situation worse, as anyone looking over archives sees repeated instances of a bad habit from different people, but no feedback that it's frowned upon. Just my $0.021 ^ / \ | Pentium fdiv bug? | Regards, Chris PaulNM -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Cleaning up installation / two glibc versions
Am Dienstag 10 Juni 2008 schrieb Enrico Weigelt:
IMHO, you've removed exactly that libc (or at least it's dynamic
linker) your binaries are built against, so they can't be executed
anymore - you'r system is unbootable.
ldd output on these binaries should give your more enlightenment.
That´s the situation (again):
eix sys-libs/glibc
[D] sys-libs/glibc
Available versions: (2.2) [P]2.2.5-r10 [P]2.3.2-r12 2.3.5-r3 2.3.6-r4
2.3.6-r5 2.4-r4 2.5-r2 2.5-r3 2.5-r4 **2.5.1 ~2.6 2.6.1 ~2.7 ~2.7-r1 ~2.7-r2
{build debug erandom gd glibc-compat20 glibc-omitfp hardened
linuxthreads-tls multilib nls nptl nptlonly pic profile selinux userlocales
vanilla}
Installed versions: 2.3.4.20040808-r1(i686-pc-linux-gnu-2.2)(08:48:34
08.11.2007)(nls
userlocales -build -debug -erandom -hardened -multilib -nptl -pic)
2.6.1(2.2)(09:55:15 12.06.2008)
(nls -debug -gd -glibc-omitfp -hardened -multilib -profile -selinux -vanilla)
Let´s see if i´ve got what you mean:
Because my system didn`t work anymore after removing glibc-2.3.4, with the
help of ldd i should find some dependencies.
ldd `which bash`
linux-gate.so.1 = (0xb7fda000)
libncurses.so.5 = /lib/libncurses.so.5 (0xb7f77000)
libdl.so.2 = /lib/libdl.so.2 (0xb7f73000)
libc.so.6 = /lib/libc.so.6 (0xb7e43000)
/lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0xb7fdb000)
l /lib/libc.so.6
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 13 12. Jun 09:55 /lib/libc.so.6 - libc-2.6.1.so
Within the few commands i´ve checked i was unable to find any dependency to
glibc-2.3.4 :-(
thanks
If you're sure you've rebuilt all of them and they're still built
against the old glibc, it's might be a toolchain problem. Try to
rebuild gcc and binutils first.
BTW: if you don't want to risk an unbootable system, you could have
a try in chroot first.
cu
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Re: [gentoo-user] Cleaning up installation / two glibc versions
Hi, I guess the best way to finally solve this would be to quickpkg glibc-2.3.4 (just in case...) emerge -C glib-2.3.4 emerge -e world (or at least system if world is too much) HTH... Dirk -- Dirk Heinrichs | Tel: +49 (0)162 234 3408 Configuration Manager | Fax: +49 (0)211 47068 111 Capgemini Deutschland | Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wanheimerstraße 68 | Web: http://www.capgemini.com D-40468 Düsseldorf | ICQ#: 110037733 GPG Public Key C2E467BB | Keyserver: wwwkeys.pgp.net signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] vmware problem
On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 01:42:50 -0400 Andrey Falko wrote: ...[snip]... Attempted to upgrade vmware-modules from 1.0.0.15-r1 to 1.0.0.17-r1 and found it blocked by vmware-server-1.0.5.80187: emerge --oneshot vmware-modules Calculating dependencies... done! [ebuild U ] app-emulation/vmware-modules-1.0.0.17-r1 [1.0.0.15-r1] [blocks B ] =app-emulation/vmware-modules-1.0.0.16 (is blocking app-emulation/vmware-server-1.0.5.80187) You need to emerge -C =app-emulation/vmware-modules-1.0.0.16 first...I think. Sorry, I meant vmware-modules-1.0.0.15-r1. It seems that the vmware-server ebuild only permits modules-1.0.0.15 ... Is any of this ringing any bells??? Also, reading the google translation of the German posting, it seems to say there was a conflict with dual core and vmmon and (perhaps) disabling SMP, then building vmmon, then enabling SMP gave a working module. This is a guess and I've not yet tried it. OK. I've removed all vmware builds. emerge -C vmware-modules reports --- Couldn't find 'vmware-modules' to unmerge. and 'find /var/db/pkg/ -name *vmware*' doesn't find anything. Doing a new emerge -aDtqv vmware-server brings in: [ebuild N] app-emulation/vmware-server-1.0.5.80187 [ebuild N] app-emulation/vmware-modules-1.0.0.15-r1 Then modprobe vmmon reports (as before): FATAL: Error inserting vmmon (/lib/modules/2.6.25-gentoo-r4/misc/vmmon.ko): Invalid module format with /var/log/messages saying: Jun 12 07:26:15 osage vmmon: disagrees about version of symbol struct_module I've googled the above message and found this thread (from last night) and another thread in which the running kernel version didn't match the installed version of linux-headers. I've running the 2.6.25-gentoo-r4 kernel and have the same versions of linux-headers and gentoo-sources installed. Looking for more ideas as to what's wrong :- Regards, David -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Cleaning up installation / two glibc versions
Am Donnerstag 12 Juni 2008 schrieb Dirk Heinrichs: Hi, I guess the best way to finally solve this would be to quickpkg glibc-2.3.4 (just in case...) emerge -C glib-2.3.4 you mean to unmerge glibc-2.3.4? When I do this my system is no longer useable. emerge wouldn´t work. Marvelously i´ve repaired it via reemerging glibc-2.6.1 via a live cd and chroot... emerge -e world (or at least system if world is too much) HTH... Dirk thanks -- mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.nico-beuermann.de gnupg fingerprint: 56DA 4E32 3A4A 52AC B769 DFC2 BF3E 9805 09BB 4259 -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] vmware problem
On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 7:41 AM, David Relson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 01:42:50 -0400 Andrey Falko wrote: ...[snip]... Attempted to upgrade vmware-modules from 1.0.0.15-r1 to 1.0.0.17-r1 and found it blocked by vmware-server-1.0.5.80187: emerge --oneshot vmware-modules Calculating dependencies... done! [ebuild U ] app-emulation/vmware-modules-1.0.0.17-r1 [1.0.0.15-r1] [blocks B ] =app-emulation/vmware-modules-1.0.0.16 (is blocking app-emulation/vmware-server-1.0.5.80187) You need to emerge -C =app-emulation/vmware-modules-1.0.0.16 first...I think. Sorry, I meant vmware-modules-1.0.0.15-r1. It seems that the vmware-server ebuild only permits modules-1.0.0.15 ... Is any of this ringing any bells??? Also, reading the google translation of the German posting, it seems to say there was a conflict with dual core and vmmon and (perhaps) disabling SMP, then building vmmon, then enabling SMP gave a working module. This is a guess and I've not yet tried it. OK. I've removed all vmware builds. emerge -C vmware-modules reports --- Couldn't find 'vmware-modules' to unmerge. and 'find /var/db/pkg/ -name *vmware*' doesn't find anything. Doing a new emerge -aDtqv vmware-server brings in: [ebuild N] app-emulation/vmware-server-1.0.5.80187 [ebuild N] app-emulation/vmware-modules-1.0.0.15-r1 Then modprobe vmmon reports (as before): FATAL: Error inserting vmmon (/lib/modules/2.6.25-gentoo-r4/misc/vmmon.ko): Invalid module format with /var/log/messages saying: Jun 12 07:26:15 osage vmmon: disagrees about version of symbol struct_module I've googled the above message and found this thread (from last night) and another thread in which the running kernel version didn't match the installed version of linux-headers. I've running the 2.6.25-gentoo-r4 kernel and have the same versions of linux-headers and gentoo-sources installed. Looking for more ideas as to what's wrong :- Regards, David -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list Opps, it was my mistake. I have 1.0.0.17 installed with ~x86 workstation, server. According to vmware-server ebuild, only 1.0.0.15 will work with the latest vmware-server. I'd file a bug in bugs.gentoo.org that vmware-server does not work for you with 2.6.25. As a work around, try to use 2.6.24 kernel or earlier. Sorry for my blunder. -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Cleaning up installation / two glibc versions
This is not a real solution, a problem has to be solved with tools that gentoo offers, is the livecd solution? In my mind no, because the installed system must be ready to help itself! Στις 12-06-2008, ημέρα Πεμ, και ώρα 14:50 +0200, ο/η Nicolai Beuermann έγραψε: Am Donnerstag 12 Juni 2008 schrieb Dirk Heinrichs: Hi, I guess the best way to finally solve this would be to quickpkg glibc-2.3.4 (just in case...) emerge -C glib-2.3.4 you mean to unmerge glibc-2.3.4? When I do this my system is no longer useable. emerge wouldn´t work. Marvelously i´ve repaired it via reemerging glibc-2.6.1 via a live cd and chroot... emerge -e world (or at least system if world is too much) HTH... Dirk thanks -- mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.nico-beuermann.de gnupg fingerprint: 56DA 4E32 3A4A 52AC B769 DFC2 BF3E 9805 09BB 4259 -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] vmware problem
On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 5:51 AM, Andrey Falko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 7:41 AM, David Relson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 01:42:50 -0400 Andrey Falko wrote: ...[snip]... Attempted to upgrade vmware-modules from 1.0.0.15-r1 to 1.0.0.17-r1 and found it blocked by vmware-server-1.0.5.80187: emerge --oneshot vmware-modules Calculating dependencies... done! [ebuild U ] app-emulation/vmware-modules-1.0.0.17-r1 [1.0.0.15-r1] [blocks B ] =app-emulation/vmware-modules-1.0.0.16 (is blocking app-emulation/vmware-server-1.0.5.80187) You need to emerge -C =app-emulation/vmware-modules-1.0.0.16 first...I think. Sorry, I meant vmware-modules-1.0.0.15-r1. It seems that the vmware-server ebuild only permits modules-1.0.0.15 ... Is any of this ringing any bells??? Also, reading the google translation of the German posting, it seems to say there was a conflict with dual core and vmmon and (perhaps) disabling SMP, then building vmmon, then enabling SMP gave a working module. This is a guess and I've not yet tried it. OK. I've removed all vmware builds. emerge -C vmware-modules reports --- Couldn't find 'vmware-modules' to unmerge. and 'find /var/db/pkg/ -name *vmware*' doesn't find anything. Doing a new emerge -aDtqv vmware-server brings in: [ebuild N] app-emulation/vmware-server-1.0.5.80187 [ebuild N] app-emulation/vmware-modules-1.0.0.15-r1 Then modprobe vmmon reports (as before): FATAL: Error inserting vmmon (/lib/modules/2.6.25-gentoo-r4/misc/vmmon.ko): Invalid module format with /var/log/messages saying: Jun 12 07:26:15 osage vmmon: disagrees about version of symbol struct_module I've googled the above message and found this thread (from last night) and another thread in which the running kernel version didn't match the installed version of linux-headers. I've running the 2.6.25-gentoo-r4 kernel and have the same versions of linux-headers and gentoo-sources installed. Looking for more ideas as to what's wrong :- Regards, David -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list Opps, it was my mistake. I have 1.0.0.17 installed with ~x86 workstation, server. According to vmware-server ebuild, only 1.0.0.15 will work with the latest vmware-server. I'd file a bug in bugs.gentoo.org that vmware-server does not work for you with 2.6.25. As a work around, try to use 2.6.24 kernel or earlier. Sorry for my blunder. -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list I have been watching this thread and wondering why my vmware keeps working. Then I noticed that all the 2.6.25 kernels are ~x86. If I were you I'd check if they're ~arch for you too, and if so it might be best to go back to stable versions of both vmware and the kernel. -- Kevin O'Gorman, PhD
Re: [gentoo-user] Cleaning up installation / two glibc versions
You are right it´s not a real solution. Only a solution to get back the old (and working) system with two installed versions of glibc in package database. thanks Am Donnerstag 12 Juni 2008 schrieb Dimitrios Ropokis: This is not a real solution, a problem has to be solved with tools that gentoo offers, is the livecd solution? In my mind no, because the installed system must be ready to help itself! Στις 12-06-2008, ημέρα Πεμ, και ώρα 14:50 +0200, ο/η Nicolai Beuermann έγραψε: Am Donnerstag 12 Juni 2008 schrieb Dirk Heinrichs: Hi, I guess the best way to finally solve this would be to quickpkg glibc-2.3.4 (just in case...) emerge -C glib-2.3.4 you mean to unmerge glibc-2.3.4? When I do this my system is no longer useable. emerge wouldn´t work. Marvelously i´ve repaired it via reemerging glibc-2.6.1 via a live cd and chroot... emerge -e world (or at least system if world is too much) HTH... Dirk thanks -- mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.nico-beuermann.de gnupg fingerprint: 56DA 4E32 3A4A 52AC B769 DFC2 BF3E 9805 09BB 4259 -- mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.nico-beuermann.de gnupg fingerprint: 56DA 4E32 3A4A 52AC B769 DFC2 BF3E 9805 09BB 4259 -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Huh? Can't find a KDE volume control
Okay, it's early and I'm feeling stupid. But with all the KDE packages, I can't find one that actually controls the sound volume. Usually, I like to have the sound on but when I'm playing games it's sometimes just too much noise. I've looked in the KDE control center, and can't find anything that does the job. Presumably I haven't emerged the crucial thing. I do have arts emerged, and in my USE flags, or my KDE games would be mute. What do you all like to use? -- Kevin O'Gorman, PhD
Re: [gentoo-user] Huh? Can't find a KDE volume control
2008/6/12 Kevin O'Gorman [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Okay, it's early and I'm feeling stupid. But with all the KDE packages, I can't find one that actually controls the sound volume. Usually, I like to have the sound on but when I'm playing games it's sometimes just too much noise. I've looked in the KDE control center, and can't find anything that does the job. Presumably I haven't emerged the crucial thing. I do have arts emerged, and in my USE flags, or my KDE games would be mute. What do you all like to use? I think kde-base/kmix is the package you are looking for. -- Espen -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Huh? Can't find a KDE volume control
On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 4:37 PM, Kevin O'Gorman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Okay, it's early and I'm feeling stupid. But with all the KDE packages, I can't find one that actually controls the sound volume. Usually, I like to have the sound on but when I'm playing games it's sometimes just too much noise. I've looked in the KDE control center, and can't find anything that does the job. Presumably I haven't emerged the crucial thing. I do have arts emerged, and in my USE flags, or my KDE games would be mute. What do you all like to use? -- Kevin O'Gorman, PhD Try kmix. You emerge it separately. Then just lunch it and you're set. Regards Dirk -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Huh? Can't find a KDE volume control
On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 7:42 AM, Dirk Uys [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 4:37 PM, Kevin O'Gorman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Okay, it's early and I'm feeling stupid. But with all the KDE packages, I can't find one that actually controls the sound volume. Usually, I like to have the sound on but when I'm playing games it's sometimes just too much noise. I've looked in the KDE control center, and can't find anything that does the job. Presumably I haven't emerged the crucial thing. I do have arts emerged, and in my USE flags, or my KDE games would be mute. What do you all like to use? -- Kevin O'Gorman, PhD Try kmix. You emerge it separately. Then just lunch it and you're set. Regards Dirk Okay, thanks . But I just did that and it has no discernable effect on the game sounds from, for instance, konquest or kmahjongg. For that matter, neither does setting the Master control to zero on alsamixer. There must be something else I don't understand. (there's always something!) ++ kevin -- Kevin O'Gorman, PhD
Re: [gentoo-user] Huh? Can't find a KDE volume control
On Thursday 12 June 2008, Kevin O'Gorman wrote: Okay, it's early and I'm feeling stupid. But with all the KDE packages, I can't find one that actually controls the sound volume. Usually, I like to have the sound on but when I'm playing games it's sometimes just too much noise. I've looked in the KDE control center, and can't find anything that does the job. Presumably I haven't emerged the crucial thing. I do have arts emerged, and in my USE flags, or my KDE games would be mute. What do you all like to use? alsamixer for the more involved stuff :-) A gkrellm module is my day2day control and if I really want a KDE control, there's kmix -- Alan McKinnon alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] HIJACKING THREADS
On 12 Jun 2008, at 02:41, Chris Walters wrote: ... Everyone makes mistakes, and it is can be good to point them out, though I do think this thread is a bit of overkill - a private message to the person who made the mistake is usually enough. The problem with pointing it out privately is that that doesn't educate anyone else - thus it's more work to point it out privately to the next person, and the next, and one has to continue suffering hijacked threads in the meantime. I think this thread appears overkill because I used ALL-CAPS in the subject, which has propagated to the replies. I won't do that again in the future, and apologise if this has led some of you to believe I was having a go at the original hjacker. I was perhaps terse in my request, but did not intend to be rude. Stroller. -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Huh? Can't find a KDE volume control
On Thursday 12 June 2008, Kevin O'Gorman wrote: Okay, thanks . But I just did that and it has no discernable effect on the game sounds from, for instance, konquest or kmahjongg. For that matter, neither does setting the Master control to zero on alsamixer. There must be something else I don't understand. (there's always something!) Did you run alsaconf to set things up, and is the correct module for your sound card loaded? -- Alan McKinnon alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] HIJACKING THREADS
Stroller skrev: On 12 Jun 2008, at 02:41, Chris Walters wrote: ... Everyone makes mistakes, and it is can be good to point them out, though I do think this thread is a bit of overkill - a private message to the person who made the mistake is usually enough. The problem with pointing it out privately is that that doesn't educate anyone else - thus it's more work to point it out privately to the next person, and the next, and one has to continue suffering hijacked threads in the meantime. I think this thread appears overkill because I used ALL-CAPS in the subject, which has propagated to the replies. I won't do that again in the future, and apologise if this has led some of you to believe I was having a go at the original hjacker. I was perhaps terse in my request, but did not intend to be rude. Stroller. To be honest I never had a look at if I was the orignal hjacker or not ... think I was, or at least have done it in the past But anyways, never thought anyone has a go on me, just glad I know a bit more about how to compose new messages, to make everyone happy :-) (Just to take this further; you good argue that the mail clients is using a wrong method of detecting these threads, cause it depends on the users' habits. I guess most of us choose the reply-button, cause it' easier than having to look-up the email address. But yeah things are like they are, and I'll use the compose button from now on, so everyone is happy :), hope others is following my lead...) Thomas -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Huh? Can't find a KDE volume control
On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 9:14 AM, Alan McKinnon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday 12 June 2008, Kevin O'Gorman wrote: Okay, thanks . But I just did that and it has no discernable effect on the game sounds from, for instance, konquest or kmahjongg. For that matter, neither does setting the Master control to zero on alsamixer. There must be something else I don't understand. (there's always something!) Did you run alsaconf to set things up, and is the correct module for your sound card loaded? I'm a bit vague about setup (it was years ago), but I just ran alsaconf to see the startup window, and it looked familiar. But even running that much shut down the whole sound system, so I ran the whole thing. Now I'm having trouble getting any sound at all... The modules loaded seem right: a slew of EMU10K1 things. I guess I'll reboot and see what happens. ++ kevin -- Kevin O'Gorman, PhD
Re: [gentoo-user] Huh? Can't find a KDE volume control
On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 10:18 AM, Kevin O'Gorman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 9:14 AM, Alan McKinnon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday 12 June 2008, Kevin O'Gorman wrote: Okay, thanks . But I just did that and it has no discernable effect on the game sounds from, for instance, konquest or kmahjongg. For that matter, neither does setting the Master control to zero on alsamixer. There must be something else I don't understand. (there's always something!) Did you run alsaconf to set things up, and is the correct module for your sound card loaded? I'm a bit vague about setup (it was years ago), but I just ran alsaconf to see the startup window, and it looked familiar. But even running that much shut down the whole sound system, so I ran the whole thing. Now I'm having trouble getting any sound at all... The modules loaded seem right: a slew of EMU10K1 things. I guess I'll reboot and see what happens. ++ kevin Well, it wasn't quite that bad. Just restarting X got back my sounds. All of them. Including the game sounds, whether or not I mute output in kmix. Hmph. -- Kevin O'Gorman, PhD
[gentoo-user] Detecting printers at a remote site
Hi, My 80 year old dad has been running Gentoo for 6 years now and done fine. I administer the machine remotely as he lives 400 miles away. Cups is up and running fine on his machine. Now my mom is switching over to Gentoo and I've added started cups on her computer. I've added a client.conf file pointing at my dad's machine. I'm now trying to figure out if I've configured cupsd correctly on my dad's machine to allow my mom's machine to see it. What commands can I run from the command line to see whether a printer is available? My parents are not terribly computer literate (who is in their 80's) so I need to ensure this is really working before I tell them to use it. Also, if a client points itself at a cups server and finds a printer there, does the client need to install the printer 'locally' telling its own cups that the printer is out there or does the printer just start showing up in applications and cups running on both machines takes care of the printe formatting issues? Essentially, how much does Open Office on the client need to know about the printer on the server? Thanks, Mark -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Huh? Can't find a KDE volume control
On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 10:24 AM, Kevin O'Gorman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 10:18 AM, Kevin O'Gorman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 9:14 AM, Alan McKinnon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday 12 June 2008, Kevin O'Gorman wrote: Okay, thanks . But I just did that and it has no discernable effect on the game sounds from, for instance, konquest or kmahjongg. For that matter, neither does setting the Master control to zero on alsamixer. There must be something else I don't understand. (there's always something!) Did you run alsaconf to set things up, and is the correct module for your sound card loaded? I'm a bit vague about setup (it was years ago), but I just ran alsaconf to see the startup window, and it looked familiar. But even running that much shut down the whole sound system, so I ran the whole thing. Now I'm having trouble getting any sound at all... The modules loaded seem right: a slew of EMU10K1 things. I guess I'll reboot and see what happens. ++ kevin Well, it wasn't quite that bad. Just restarting X got back my sounds. All of them. Including the game sounds, whether or not I mute output in kmix. Hmph. Okay, so I got mad and just shut down all the kmix sliders. That finally shut it up. What's really unexpected is that I get normal (to my low-functioning ears) sound just by turning on wave surround. With everything else muted and all other sliders at the bottom. It appears only one control actually does anything. Double Hmph. ++ kevin -- Kevin O'Gorman, PhD
[gentoo-user] Installing themes, and all the cool things I see on gnome-look.org etc
Hi, I guess it's not exactly a gentoo question, but I don't figure out how to setup all does themes/applets/eye-candies I see in gnome-look.org and similar sites. I can't find a decent documentation and I'm sure I'm missing something which is right under my nose. So, where should I look?
Re: [gentoo-user] Installing themes, and all the cool things I see on gnome-look.org etc
Hi Yoav, I guess it's not exactly a gentoo question, but I don't figure out how to setup all does themes/applets/eye-candies I see in gnome-look.org and similar sites. I can't find a decent documentation and I'm sure I'm missing something which is right under my nose. So, where should I look? From Gnome menu? System Preferences Appearance (or similar). -- Amadeusz P. Żołnowski OpenPGP key: 1024D/06126219 @ hkp://subkeys.pgp.net signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] HIJACKING THREADS
On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 18:26:29 +0100, Stroller wrote: I guess most of us choose the reply-button, cause it' easier than having to look-up the email address. My email client allows me to right-click on a recipient of an existing message and choose new message, creating an empty message that does not hijack the thread. Claws Mail also allows you to reply in the hijacky way, then select Remove references from the Compose window's menu, turning it into a new mail. Actually, the name of the Reply button is a dead giveaway, using it for anything other than a reply is clearly abuse of its function :) -- Neil Bothwick DANGER! DANGER! Computer store ahead...hide wallet. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] vmware problem
David - at this point I'd try a couple of things. Since you've upgraded your linux-headers, it's a good idea to recompile your system libc, as per the elog message. Also, since you're getting version error messages, recompile your kernel and reboot into it. Just to make sure, as you've just done headers and libc (may be a long shot, but may as well rule it out). Then unload all vm* modules and recompile them also. (Say no to all vmware-config questions first, then second time around say yes!). If it doesn't work, downgrade to a previous version of modules and try them. I use vmware-modules-1.0.0.11-r1 because that's the only version that works with workstation 4, which I have a license for. Finally, if this all still fails, try with an earlier kernel and see if it magically works. Then you know it's probably a new kernal feature thats bugging you! I hope you have a few spare clock cycles for all this compiling :) HTH, -- Iain Buchanan iaindb at netspace dot net dot au The state law of Pennsylvania prohibits singing in the bathtub. -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] HIJACKING THREADS
On Thu, 2008-06-12 at 21:11 +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 18:26:29 +0100, Stroller wrote: I guess most of us choose the reply-button, cause it' easier than having to look-up the email address. My email client allows me to right-click on a recipient of an existing message and choose new message, creating an empty message that does not hijack the thread. Claws Mail also allows you to reply in the hijacky way, then select Remove references from the Compose window's menu, turning it into a new mail. Actually, the name of the Reply button is a dead giveaway, using it for anything other than a reply is clearly abuse of its function :) And for a third way, I've done a comparison between reply-to, and new: 1. find email from list 2. click reply button 3. delete text 4. change subject 5. write email 6. send or 1. find email from list 2. click email address in to field (new email to that recipient is created) 3. write subject 4. write email 5. send woohoo! one step shorter and closer to: 6. ??? 7. Profit! -- Iain Buchanan iaindb at netspace dot net dot au Life is a garment we continuously alter, but which never seems to fit. -- David McCord -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] vmware problem
On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 09:23:51 +0930 Iain Buchanan wrote: David - at this point I'd try a couple of things. Since you've upgraded your linux-headers, it's a good idea to recompile your system libc, as per the elog message. Also, since you're getting version error messages, recompile your kernel and reboot into it. Just to make sure, as you've just done headers and libc (may be a long shot, but may as well rule it out). Then unload all vm* modules and recompile them also. (Say no to all vmware-config questions first, then second time around say yes!). If it doesn't work, downgrade to a previous version of modules and try them. I use vmware-modules-1.0.0.11-r1 because that's the only version that works with workstation 4, which I have a license for. Finally, if this all still fails, try with an earlier kernel and see if it magically works. Then you know it's probably a new kernal feature thats bugging you! I hope you have a few spare clock cycles for all this compiling :) Hi Iain, I've been using 'uname -r' and its reporting '2.6.25-gentoo-r4' matches the module path, i.e. /lib/modules/2.6.25-gentoo-r4/misc/vmnet.ko, in the invalid module message. I'm as certain as can be that there's no mismatch here. Also, I've removed all vm* packages and reinstalled vmware-server (and whatever it pulls in, i.e. vmware-modules). This was done after removing all vmware entries from /etc/portage/package*, so the vm* packages are all stable versions -- no ~amd64 versions. Haven't tried rebuilding glibc ... Instead I've installed the latest stable amd64 versions of 2.6.24 sources and headers. The kernel is now being built. I should know before too long whether this helps. Another possibility not yet tried is to disable CONFIG_MODVERSIONS. That's it for now... Regards, David -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] vmware problem
On Thu, 2008-06-12 at 21:16 -0400, David Relson wrote: On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 09:23:51 +0930 Iain Buchanan wrote: David - at this point I'd try a couple of things. Since you've upgraded your linux-headers, it's a good idea to recompile your system libc, as per the elog message. Also, since you're getting version error messages, recompile your kernel and reboot into it. Just to make sure, as you've just done headers and libc (may be a long shot, but may as well rule it out). Then unload all vm* modules and recompile them also. (Say no to all vmware-config questions first, then second time around say yes!). If it doesn't work, downgrade to a previous version of modules and try them. I use vmware-modules-1.0.0.11-r1 because that's the only version that works with workstation 4, which I have a license for. Finally, if this all still fails, try with an earlier kernel and see if it magically works. Then you know it's probably a new kernal feature thats bugging you! I hope you have a few spare clock cycles for all this compiling :) Hi Iain, I've been using 'uname -r' and its reporting '2.6.25-gentoo-r4' matches the module path, i.e. /lib/modules/2.6.25-gentoo-r4/misc/vmnet.ko, in the invalid module message. I'm as certain as can be that there's no mismatch here. don't be so sure! Do you know that you won't get the same message if, for example, you used different compilers for the kernel and the module? In my experience, this message can appear when the actual kernel number is ok, but it's been compiled differently... Also, I've removed all vm* packages and reinstalled vmware-server (and whatever it pulls in, i.e. vmware-modules). This was done after removing all vmware entries from /etc/portage/package*, so the vm* packages are all stable versions -- no ~amd64 versions. Haven't tried rebuilding glibc ... Instead I've installed the latest stable amd64 versions of 2.6.24 sources and headers. The kernel is now being built. I should know before too long whether this helps. good! Let's see what happens... Another possibility not yet tried is to disable CONFIG_MODVERSIONS. That's it for now... Regards, David -- Iain Buchanan iaindb at netspace dot net dot au Let me assure you that to us here at First National, you're not just a number. Youre two numbers, a dash, three more numbers, another dash and another number. -- James Estes -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] HIJACKING THREADS
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 PaulNM wrote: | Chris Walters wrote: | | | Everyone makes mistakes, and it is can be good to point them out, | though I do | think this thread is a bit of overkill - a private message to the | person who | made the mistake is usually enough. | | I agree the thread is overkill, the first message was not. | Stroller's message was polite and included links to educate people. I | don't think a private message is the way to go in these cases because: | | 1: Most people learn about proper threading from these kind of messages. | Few ever see full headers or have even heard of In-Reply-To:. | | 2: Private-only messages can actually make the situation worse, as | anyone looking over archives sees repeated instances of a bad habit | from different people, but no feedback that it's frowned upon. Actually, I agree with you - the messages about breaches of the list etiquette should be posted to the list. I don't know what I was thinking when I composed that reply... I had actually been thinking that a mailing list FAQ sent to new members and posted every so often, outlining the etiquette of the list would be a good idea. I do somewhat object to the idea that only certain mail clients should be used on this list (not saying you did, but I have seen it), as the hijacking of threads may be accomplished with *any* email client - and so can private email, reply to list, and compose new message. | Just my $0.021 | |^ | / \ || | Pentium fdiv bug? | LOL! You caught me. Someone from another list shared something with me, and in the spirit of GNU, I will share it here, and add to it... We are Pentium of Borg. You will be approximated. Resistance may or may not be futile, except on every other Tuesday when it is a definite maybe. [snip] | | PaulNM Since this is normally where my reply would go, I think I must say something. What happens when a thread about how bad hijacking threads is gets hijacked... Regards, Chris -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQIbBAEBCgAGBQJIUdwzAAoJEIAhA8M9p9DAO8kP+NVV5dYyqoiajs7TS9xQNot5 4i/m9nJ5KoNDesdbBkWo5VUJniZ1VtN13Ik1yzHybFQgehWdI2e0u1M6cd9gtfyc yIlOh9P4z43/JDwwG+wndc9FGh9O2M7z9Ux7BYD8+SEkbnmQRADGcjxw3Wp68lEt 1u8JBoydjkvZ2fXSfB9ebxsy446aBRtqsaWkmoCaJhw36CF5XTS/pwwJs4dvJ3Zt azOQnUxtvZuGAXyqw1uREnvxEvF7IAPliymuJnxVfRRYzts1uYf8mwv5v9CvMIGe Tbw4RGlKLcAI43iu/6pixNCRczpVu/xNfTBQCEMiSBlVJiqQNJwKk2sX/Xy60ZQG GkeT75u/v8ozSW9bklFCnUiUXGMCEQI6DpM7AYS1uXW53kMVAnCCxDqqeAxJi0FS pUDon14CIQCHJHBOzqSk+OLg5vI14IALaX/rNr/1BoOVcDDrHprUpn5IN0ByMk1i hX+FuV01LDHK9j7o/FZ6HNA5j/ZaEZ3IbUKKE3I6UqMfvBNYVimG2LAawVI+zo2R JJaXIlR9pGrvBB9xD2zEycIID0zhSGsp+aFTbTjyDwsSqHtQ/RglofMum4hxe2EZ GcJ6eIcllN2bPELehVAZD6C0LchOzKpFEmhpKAA3Ahd3Df0h40ESUCR3RIXMdPVB FDJAXYi/kyg7bmQqEMw= =HRt9 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] HIJACKING THREADS
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Stroller wrote: | | On 12 Jun 2008, at 02:41, Chris Walters wrote: [snip my mumbo jumbo] | | The problem with pointing it out privately is that that doesn't educate | anyone else - thus it's more work to point it out privately to the next | person, and the next, and one has to continue suffering hijacked threads | in the meantime. | | I think this thread appears overkill because I used ALL-CAPS in the | subject, which has propagated to the replies. I won't do that again in | the future, and apologise if this has led some of you to believe I was | having a go at the original hjacker. I was perhaps terse in my request, | but did not intend to be rude. | | Stroller. Actually, I agree with you - my original reply must have been the result of an approximation. I don't believe you were rude at all, or that you were having a go at the original hijacker. I apologize if I gave that impression. As I said in my reply to PaulNM, I feel that this list should have an FAQ that elucidates the etiquette of this mailing list, sent to new subscribers, and posted periodically to the list. It could cover a large number of things - not just thread hijacking, and would help to prevent such things, in the future. Regards, Chris -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJIUd8qAAoJEIAhA8M9p9DAXKYP/iJMIEpkNuss0yE3ceeSvqzl 0+Jc7KDq9/QxBTNTDYl5vIRsVfQfCcA/S3FBJ9hmF5OR0PzVvy5HDYrbEpOr5mgX KW+Dp08KB47muhvLjuMsoFqc6swqdL7M2rXeHZYdHaOU/v9eRJYh0cZs+E47nGdm JCz66UKOaPLi4AYQkRY661UG+rz9IoAv2P8nvtmkWcPTX6mkh8ug2gKqtlHcx8hs 4ECqEr294792GjCprLX1W/z1reyt+RyhsKkfx+HCZyr2NROyaFPsZ/WScNsViv6C jrZLigCxPDMWzD7odrta0vPNuwdiwh1t8isoI/ADZPZRBLx2vRp2GzxDixmNnTRH 6JwGFC0f3xHxztIkQjlGRrRGNPrZMhXcnnRwmBxkx5ox3VMkvmLBwxhn5bbj8p1V cETpaSfFHyDFnhGnw/a0Dgj3Q+dt1Nzrl1xxrVZaAQfi3g8O8vYIb7Gb2McWycyv p5J5/nBroxyNjqBcV2SwnQ1KI9f99NN4lndRz1wVX9g+e/EGkXgt0lmYgtPESJpa ZkQHUcQlTjsDHjBMeX0jADhonTdGXv6rmCZeQNIMjRbyC4BEGoEf/apTSunfK0ox thmLtn37sBY4b9cyA4zO3n8Dejus6LOxUMSSRRX3RrR0Q5ZrfS8oXIGXpMtHhsT9 FDUzydzJwPGznLAZguF2 =S0Z1 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Gentoo on and Xen HP DL 385
Hello: Just wondering if there are any users on this list running Gentoo + Xen on this type of hardware. I am curious about the performance of Gentoo as domainU and/or guest OS. Thanks in advance, / Ronald Vincent Vazquez Senior Unix Systems Administrator Senior Network Manager Christ Tabernacle Church Ministries http://www.ctcministries.org/ (301) 414-0010 Home (240) 566-2827 Cell (614) 386-3575 Fax For web hosting solutions, VPS, and dedicated servers, visit: http://www.spherenix.com/ For clarinetists, A Book for the Clarinet Reed-Maker http://www.clarinetreedmaker.com/ -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Detecting printers at a remote site
It is hard to pin point the problem as you did not even post cupsd.conf; however, here is a good article: http://articles.techrepublic.com.com/5100-10878_11-5055067.html I even printed myself a hard copy; go through it. -- #Joseph GPG KeyID: ED0E1FB7 On 06/12/08 10:26, Mark Knecht wrote: Hi, My 80 year old dad has been running Gentoo for 6 years now and done fine. I administer the machine remotely as he lives 400 miles away. Cups is up and running fine on his machine. Now my mom is switching over to Gentoo and I've added started cups on her computer. I've added a client.conf file pointing at my dad's machine. I'm now trying to figure out if I've configured cupsd correctly on my dad's machine to allow my mom's machine to see it. What commands can I run from the command line to see whether a printer is available? My parents are not terribly computer literate (who is in their 80's) so I need to ensure this is really working before I tell them to use it. Also, if a client points itself at a cups server and finds a printer there, does the client need to install the printer 'locally' telling its own cups that the printer is out there or does the printer just start showing up in applications and cups running on both machines takes care of the printe formatting issues? Essentially, how much does Open Office on the client need to know about the printer on the server? Thanks, Mark -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
