Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Root-kitted (was: DSL and ATT. About time.)

2009-08-10 Thread pk
Grant Edwards wrote:

 It was a very sobering experience...

I'm sure it was. I hope I never experience anything like that. Well, I
guess I could be already without knowing... :-/

Thanks for the info!

Best regards

Peter K



Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Root-kitted (was: DSL and ATT. About time.)

2009-08-10 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Monday 10 August 2009 05:36:00 Grant Edwards wrote:
 On 2009-08-08, pk pete...@coolmail.se wrote:
  Grant Edwards wrote:
  That's what I thought back when I was using dialup on a Linux
  box that didn't have any servers running.  Then one day I got
  root-kitted.
 
  This may be off-topic but I'm curious about the details. Can you please
  elaborate?

 Well, it was probably about 9 years ago, but here's the way I
 remember it:

 It started when I noticed the modem's RX/TX lights were
 flashing when there was no reason for them to be doing so (I
 was in the habit of keeping an eye on them to make sure the
 connection was working OK).  When I did a netstat, it showed
 active network connections that shouldn't have been there, but
 ps didn't show the processes that netstat said had connections
 open.  The ps binary had been replaced with a hacked version.
 IIRC, so had the lsof binary because it didn't show the
 processes that had the connections open either.

 I was running an RPM-based installation at the time (RH 6 or 7
 I believe), and and an rpm verify command failed for a
 handful of system related binaries (among them ps and lsof):
 they weren't the same files that rpm had installed.

There was a Red Hat *.0 release of that era that shipped with every possible 
service installed and running, accepting connections from anywhere. IIRC, 
average time to be rooted was measured in minutes...

Red Hat were quite clear at the time that the release was not actually for 
real use, more for testing. I think the switch to glibc-2 was the underlying 
reason. Anyway, lots of folks got bitten because they installed and used it 
anyway.

Perhaps you got caught up in that?

-- 
alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com



[gentoo-user] Re: Root-kitted (was: DSL and ATT. About time.)

2009-08-10 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2009-08-10, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Monday 10 August 2009 05:36:00 Grant Edwards wrote:
 On 2009-08-08, pk pete...@coolmail.se wrote:
  Grant Edwards wrote:
  That's what I thought back when I was using dialup on a Linux
  box that didn't have any servers running.  Then one day I got
  root-kitted.
 
  This may be off-topic but I'm curious about the details. Can you please
  elaborate?

 Well, it was probably about 9 years ago, but here's the way I
 remember it:

 It started when I noticed the modem's RX/TX lights were
 flashing when there was no reason for them to be doing so (I
 was in the habit of keeping an eye on them to make sure the
 connection was working OK).  When I did a netstat, it showed
 active network connections that shouldn't have been there, but
 ps didn't show the processes that netstat said had connections
 open.  The ps binary had been replaced with a hacked version.
 IIRC, so had the lsof binary because it didn't show the
 processes that had the connections open either.

 I was running an RPM-based installation at the time (RH 6 or 7
 I believe), and and an rpm verify command failed for a
 handful of system related binaries (among them ps and lsof):
 they weren't the same files that rpm had installed.

 There was a Red Hat *.0 release of that era that shipped with
 every possible service installed and running, accepting
 connections from anywhere. IIRC, average time to be rooted was
 measured in minutes...

Unless RH had somehow hidden the servers, I'm pretty sure I
wasn't running any except for ssh and ntp.  I always did manual
installs where I went through and reviewed all of the packages
being installed.

 Red Hat were quite clear at the time that the release was not
 actually for real use, more for testing. I think the switch to
 glibc-2 was the underlying reason. Anyway, lots of folks got
 bitten because they installed and used it anyway.

 Perhaps you got caught up in that?

It could be there were services running that I didn't know
about. If so, they would have had to have been installed on the
sly by Anaconda without having a checkmark next to them. They
also would have had to start up without any notification on the
boot-up screen.

-- 
Grant Edwards   grante Yow! Is this sexual
  at   intercourse yet??  Is it,
   visi.comhuh, is it??




[gentoo-user] {OT} Printer recommendation

2009-08-10 Thread Marco
Hi,

I intend to buy a new printer and would like to get some
recommendations/experiences from you (to be sure to get it working
with Linux). Here is what I'd like:
- B/W and Color printing
- Network attached (LAN)
- Mostly used for office documents / rare graphics printing
- Reasonably priced refill cartridges
- Price up to ~ 180 US$

I am especially interested in your experience to get it working under Linux.

Thanks for your tips!

--
Best regards,
 Marco



Re: [gentoo-user] Anybody tried shake defragmenter?

2009-08-10 Thread Paul Hartman
On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 12:40 AM, meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote:
 Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com [09-08-03 23:09]:
 On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 3:22 PM, Grantemailgr...@gmail.com wrote:
  I know Linux systems aren't supposed to become fragmented, but I've
  also read that it can happen eventually.  I'm on ext3.  I've read that
  ext4 will have a defragmenter but that it doesn't have one yet.

 It's not that they aren't supposed to become fragmented, it is that
 they try to avoid it. There is a big difference, and things like
 streaming writes (downloads, bittorrents, etc) can cause extreme
 fragmentation.

 The time-honored way of fixing this is backup, delete, restore. In
 my case my simple defragmenter is to move a file to tmpfs and then
 move it back to the hard drive. I always do this to files I'm about to
 burn to a CD/DVD to ensure the read speed is optimal.

  Has anyone tried the shake defragmenter?

 Yes, nothing has blown up yet. :)

 Hi,

 does anyone know a source of information -- except reading the C-source
 of shake itsself -- what the meaning of the different columns of

shake -pvv dir

 are ?

No. :) There's no documentation really. The source cide is funny,
everything is named after law, investigations, accused, trials and
judgments. :)  There best I can do is reproduce the part of the source
that shows this info and hope you can infer from the names what they
are showing:

/* Show statistics about an accused */
void
show_reg (struct accused *a, struct law *l)
{
  /* Show file status */
  printf (%lli\t%lli\t%lli\t%i\t%i\t%i\t%i\t%s,
  a-ideal, a-start / 1024, a-end / 1024, a-fragc, a-crumbc,
  (int) (a-age / 3600 / 24), a-guilty, a-name);
  /* And, eventualy, list of frags and crumbs */
  if (l-verbosity  2  a-poslog  a-poslog[0] != -1)
{
  uint n;
  putchar ('\t');
  for (n = 0; a-sizelog[n + 1] != -1; n++)
printf (%lli:%lli,, a-poslog[n] / 1024, a-sizelog[n] / 1024);
  printf (%lli:%lli\n, a-poslog[n] / 1024, a-sizelog[n] / 1024);
}
  else
putchar ('\n');
}



Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} zflashpoint for Linux? (SSD performance accelerator)

2009-08-10 Thread Paul Hartman
Josh Saddler had a couple blog posts recently about his adventures
with SSD and Gentoo:

http://blogs.gentoo.org/nightmorph/2009/08/02/ssds-and-filesystems
http://blogs.gentoo.org/nightmorph/2009/08/09/ssds-and-filesystems-part-2



Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} Printer recommendation

2009-08-10 Thread Dale
Marco wrote:
 Hi,

 I intend to buy a new printer and would like to get some
 recommendations/experiences from you (to be sure to get it working
 with Linux). Here is what I'd like:
 - B/W and Color printing
 - Network attached (LAN)
 - Mostly used for office documents / rare graphics printing
 - Reasonably priced refill cartridges
 - Price up to ~ 180 US$

 I am especially interested in your experience to get it working under Linux.

 Thanks for your tips!

 --
 Best regards,
  Marco


   

I have always bought HP printers and they work very well.  There are a
couple other brands that works well, maybe Epson or something, but HP is
really good in my opinion.

Stay away from Lexmark.  I have yet to get one to work under Linux. 
Unless you can find one that someone tells you works, stay away from
Lexmark.

That's not a lot of info but it may help a little at least.

Dale

:-)  :-) 



Re: [gentoo-user] Anybody tried shake defragmenter?

2009-08-10 Thread Dale
Paul Hartman wrote:

 No. :) There's no documentation really. The source cide is funny,
 everything is named after law, investigations, accused, trials and
 judgments. :)  There best I can do is reproduce the part of the source
 that shows this info and hope you can infer from the names what they
 are showing:

 /* Show statistics about an accused */
 void
 show_reg (struct accused *a, struct law *l)
 {
   /* Show file status */
   printf (%lli\t%lli\t%lli\t%i\t%i\t%i\t%i\t%s,
   a-ideal, a-start / 1024, a-end / 1024, a-fragc, a-crumbc,
   (int) (a-age / 3600 / 24), a-guilty, a-name);
   /* And, eventualy, list of frags and crumbs */
   if (l-verbosity  2  a-poslog  a-poslog[0] != -1)
 {
   uint n;
   putchar ('\t');
   for (n = 0; a-sizelog[n + 1] != -1; n++)
 printf (%lli:%lli,, a-poslog[n] / 1024, a-sizelog[n] / 1024);
   printf (%lli:%lli\n, a-poslog[n] / 1024, a-sizelog[n] / 1024);
 }
   else
 putchar ('\n');
 }


   

Does this make sense to anyone?  It looks like it got worse instead of
better.

r...@smoker / # /root/fragck.pl /home/
9.8476210220794% non contiguous files, 1.989530423966 average fragments.
r...@smoker / # shake --old=0 -X /home/
r...@smoker / # /root/fragck.pl /home/
14.6129132552596% non contiguous files, 1.65074100943103 average fragments.
r...@smoker / # /root/fragck.pl /usr/portage/distfiles/
24.3989314336598% non contiguous files, 9.93054318788958 average fragments.
r...@smoker / # shake --old=0 -X /usr/portage/distfiles/
r...@smoker / # /root/fragck.pl /usr/portage/distfiles/
38.646482635797% non contiguous files, 10.9777382012467 average fragments.
r...@smoker / #

Am I reading this wrong or something?

Dale

:-)  :-) 



Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} Printer recommendation

2009-08-10 Thread Alejandro
  HP have good supports. Take a look here

http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/index.html

Cheers

2009/8/10 Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com

 Marco wrote:
  Hi,
 
  I intend to buy a new printer and would like to get some
  recommendations/experiences from you (to be sure to get it working
  with Linux). Here is what I'd like:
  - B/W and Color printing
  - Network attached (LAN)
  - Mostly used for office documents / rare graphics printing
  - Reasonably priced refill cartridges
  - Price up to ~ 180 US$
 
  I am especially interested in your experience to get it working under
 Linux.
 
  Thanks for your tips!
 
  --
  Best regards,
   Marco
 
 
 

 I have always bought HP printers and they work very well.  There are a
 couple other brands that works well, maybe Epson or something, but HP is
 really good in my opinion.

 Stay away from Lexmark.  I have yet to get one to work under Linux.
 Unless you can find one that someone tells you works, stay away from
 Lexmark.

 That's not a lot of info but it may help a little at least.

 Dale

 :-)  :-)




Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} Printer recommendation

2009-08-10 Thread Joseph

On 08/10/09 16:57, Marco wrote:

Have a look at brother-HL-5250DN - duplex printing, network, usb and below 
100.00 and quiet.

HP is getting more of an evil with incorporating all these chip technology into 
their cartridges.
I bought HP2550N and it very noisy and those toners with chip are more 
expensive.

--
Joseph



Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} Printer recommendation

2009-08-10 Thread Paul Hartman
On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 9:57 AM, Marcolistwo...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi,

 I intend to buy a new printer and would like to get some
 recommendations/experiences from you (to be sure to get it working
 with Linux). Here is what I'd like:
 - B/W and Color printing
 - Network attached (LAN)
 - Mostly used for office documents / rare graphics printing
 - Reasonably priced refill cartridges
 - Price up to ~ 180 US$

 I am especially interested in your experience to get it working under Linux.

 Thanks for your tips!

Hi Marco,

I don't use color printers so I can't give you a specific
recommendation, but suggest browsing the list at
http://www.linuxprinting.org/printer_list.cgi and of course consult
the internet before making a purchase. :)



Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} Printer recommendation

2009-08-10 Thread Florian Philipp
Marco schrieb:
 Hi,
 
 I intend to buy a new printer and would like to get some
 recommendations/experiences from you (to be sure to get it working
 with Linux). Here is what I'd like:
 - B/W and Color printing
 - Network attached (LAN)
 - Mostly used for office documents / rare graphics printing
 - Reasonably priced refill cartridges
 - Price up to ~ 180 US$
 
 I am especially interested in your experience to get it working under Linux.
 

HP works mostly out-of-the-box (printing. Scanning ... not so much).
There's a reason that some companies have an HP-only policy.

I've also got a pretty old Kyocera. It comes with a cups-compatible
ppd-file. Works pretty well, too.



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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Root-kitted (was: DSL and ATT. About time.)

2009-08-10 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Monday 10 August 2009 16:10:53 Grant Edwards wrote:
  Red Hat were quite clear at the time that the release was not
  actually for real use, more for testing. I think the switch to
  glibc-2 was the underlying reason. Anyway, lots of folks got
  bitten because they installed and used it anyway.
 
  Perhaps you got caught up in that?

 It could be there were services running that I didn't know
 about. If so, they would have had to have been installed on the
 sly by Anaconda without having a checkmark next to them. They
 also would have had to start up without any notification on the
 boot-up screen.

Sounds like it was more like simple bad luck. Exploits have always been a part 
of a sys admin's life.

The RH version in question never did anything funny behind the scenes - it 
just set everything to on by default and presented a yes/no dialogue; which 
most users simply clicked yes on. 

-- 
alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com



Re: [gentoo-user] vdpau-able ?

2009-08-10 Thread Nich
On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 03:40, Manuel Fiorelli
manuel.fiore...@gmail.comwrote snip:

 Assuming that you want to playback a H.264 video, then right command should
 be

 mplayer -vo vdpau -vc ffh264vdpau file

 to force the selection of the HW accelerated codec from FFMPEG. Can
 anyone confirm that?


This is correct.

To use VDPAU hardware acceleration you need to specify a hardware codec also
- As I use VDPAU all the time i have this configured in my mplayer config
(~/.mplayer/config) as so:

vo=vdpau
vc=ffmpeg12vdpau,ffwmv3vdpau,ffvc1vdpau,ffh264vdpau,

Which lists all of the VDPAU codecs, and allows for fallback to the other
codecs if a matching codec cant be found (thats what the trailing , is for).
I have never had an issue with video in this setup.
If you wish to run that from the command line I beleve the command would be:
`mplayer -vo vdpau -vc ffmpeg12vdpau,ffwmv3vdpau,ffvc1vdpau,ffh264vdpau,
file`

My understanding is the VDPAU works on all GeForce 8 series or better cards
(8*** 9*** 2**), I'm not sure what driver version you need to use VDPAU,
however its working for me with 180.60. However I have only tested this with
a 9600GT and a 8600GT.

As for it working with Xinerama, I can't comment - however it seams to work
_mostly_ using NVidia's TwinView which seams to provides all of the Xinerama
information to the desktop (ie. windows don't maximize over all my monitors,
just one). (As for the 'mostly' I only realy have an issue with subtitles,
particulay if I pass -ass to mplayer)

Nich


Re: [gentoo-user] vdpau-able ?

2009-08-10 Thread Manuel Fiorelli
2009/8/10 Nich narthol...@gmail.com:
 To use VDPAU hardware acceleration you need to specify a hardware codec also
 - As I use VDPAU all the time i have this configured in my mplayer config
 (~/.mplayer/config) as so:

 vo=vdpau
 vc=ffmpeg12vdpau,ffwmv3vdpau,ffvc1vdpau,ffh264vdpau,

 Which lists all of the VDPAU codecs, and allows for fallback to the other
 codecs if a matching codec cant be found (thats what the trailing , is for).
 I have never had an issue with video in this setup.
 If you wish to run that from the command line I beleve the command would be:
 `mplayer -vo vdpau -vc ffmpeg12vdpau,ffwmv3vdpau,ffvc1vdpau,ffh264vdpau,
 file`

Interesting... I found on the web a similar command-line, but I didn't
understand the meaining
of the traling comma.

I think that I will modifiy my ~/.mplayer/config too.

Manuel Fiorelli



[gentoo-user] portpeek and relative vs absolute path

2009-08-10 Thread Gene Hannan
I'm seeing a quirk in portpeek on one of two machines with similar
installations.  Portpeek responds with, for example,

package.keywords:
Could not find file etc/portage/package.keywords

Note the absence of an initial slash.  The program executes correctly
from / as a working directory.

The system is up to date, x86 with ~x86 as required for KDE-4.2 and a
handful of others.  Python 2.5.4 is the only version installed, and the
behavior is the same with eselect-python-20090801 or -20090804.

I've tried simply re-emerging portage, portpeek, eselect, and
python-eselect with no effect, and seen the same behavior with
gentoo-sources-2.6.28-r5 and 2.6/30-r4.

My other machine with the same versions of the packages that are likely
to be related executes portpeek from any working directory, as did the
machine in question until a few weeks ago.  Any tips on where to look next?



[gentoo-user] Re: portpeek and relative vs absolute path

2009-08-10 Thread ABCD
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 I'm seeing a quirk in portpeek on one of two machines with similar
 installations.  Portpeek responds with, for example,
 
 package.keywords:
 Could not find file etc/portage/package.keywords
 
 Note the absence of an initial slash.  The program executes correctly
 from / as a working directory.
 
 The system is up to date, x86 with ~x86 as required for KDE-4.2 and a
 handful of others.  Python 2.5.4 is the only version installed, and the
 behavior is the same with eselect-python-20090801 or -20090804.
 
 I've tried simply re-emerging portage, portpeek, eselect, and
 python-eselect with no effect, and seen the same behavior with
 gentoo-sources-2.6.28-r5 and 2.6/30-r4.
 
 My other machine with the same versions of the packages that are likely
 to be related executes portpeek from any working directory, as did the
 machine in question until a few weeks ago.  Any tips on where to look
 next?

That looks like it may be a bug in portpeek that only is appearing now 
because portage changed some of its internals to simplify things in portage, 
but packages using portage's internal APIs incorrectly stopped working.

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Re: [gentoo-user] deep emerge and masked Xorg

2009-08-10 Thread Skippy
On Fri, 7 Aug 2009 21:40:44 +0200
Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote the words:
 
 Did I mention that you should rather just work at getting X to work
 on your kit?
 

Yea - that's what I was expecting, and afraid of, but I had to ask.
Thanks!

Skippy



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Re: [gentoo-user] deep emerge and masked Xorg

2009-08-10 Thread Skippy
On Fri, 07 Aug 2009 15:00:43 -0500
Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote the words:  
 
 Well, I had trouble with the new xorg-server too.  I added
 x11-base/xorg-server  -hal to /etc/portage/package.use and
 everything worked fine here.  That disables hal which is what causes
 all the problems.  My KDE still works fine and as far as I can tell,
 made no difference whatsoever.

I think I'll have to try the -hal as well.  But not gonna try this
until I've backed up  *ha*

Skippy



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Re: [gentoo-user] deep emerge and masked Xorg

2009-08-10 Thread Dale
Skippy wrote:
 On Fri, 07 Aug 2009 15:00:43 -0500
 Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote the words:  
   
 Well, I had trouble with the new xorg-server too.  I added
 x11-base/xorg-server  -hal to /etc/portage/package.use and
 everything worked fine here.  That disables hal which is what causes
 all the problems.  My KDE still works fine and as far as I can tell,
 made no difference whatsoever.
 

 I think I'll have to try the -hal as well.  But not gonna try this
 until I've backed up  *ha*

 Skippy



   

If you go with -hal, it shouldn't be a problem.  It just works the old
way. I am afraid that we will both face the music one day tho.  I think
there is a new thing in the pipe line but not sure when it will be
here.  Most likely a couple months after we have to get hal working.

Dale

:-)  :-) 



Re: [gentoo-user] deep emerge and masked Xorg

2009-08-10 Thread Skippy
On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 20:21:48 -0500
Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote the words:


 If you go with -hal, it shouldn't be a problem.  It just works the old
 way. I am afraid that we will both face the music one day tho.  I
 think there is a new thing in the pipe line but not sure when it will
 be here.  Most likely a couple months after we have to get hal
 working.
 
 Dale


Yea, great.  *ha*  I anticipate the day when one is forced to use hal,
or something worse.  What is so terrible about the way Xorg use to work?

Part of the problem, I think, is that this computer
is over 5 years old, on the motherboard graphics.  Tomorrow - if UPS
comes thru - my new computer parts arrive and I start to assemble a new
system.  In theory I could just stop upgrading this system as it will
soon become my secondary desktop.


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Re: [gentoo-user] deep emerge and masked Xorg

2009-08-10 Thread Dale
Skippy wrote:
 On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 20:21:48 -0500
 Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote the words:


   
 If you go with -hal, it shouldn't be a problem.  It just works the old
 way. I am afraid that we will both face the music one day tho.  I
 think there is a new thing in the pipe line but not sure when it will
 be here.  Most likely a couple months after we have to get hal
 working.

 Dale
 


 Yea, great.  *ha*  I anticipate the day when one is forced to use hal,
 or something worse.  What is so terrible about the way Xorg use to work?

 Part of the problem, I think, is that this computer
 is over 5 years old, on the motherboard graphics.  Tomorrow - if UPS
 comes thru - my new computer parts arrive and I start to assemble a new
 system.  In theory I could just stop upgrading this system as it will
 soon become my secondary desktop.


   

Mine is about that age too.  Abit NF7 Ver 2.0 mobo, AMD 2500+ CPU with a
Nvidia FX-5200 video card. 

I used to like hal but it has really left a bad taste in my mouth this
time around.

Dale

:-)  :-) 



[gentoo-user] Cloning movie DVDs with dd - only works after accessing disk with another command?

2009-08-10 Thread Stroller

Hi there,

Now I've got this new machine with all this space on it (or rather:  
now I seem to be more interested in doing stuff with this machine I  
built a while ago), I'm starting on the process of ripping all my DVDs.


In the past I tried media-video/undvd for DVD ripping, but its .mp4  
support now is broken, and probably won't be fixed.


This week I've been trying HandBrakeCLI, and it seems to work pretty  
darn lovely.


But the difference is that undvd has a simple --clone option which  
copies the DVD to disk first, and HandBrakeCLI doesn't.


To save wear  tear on my optical drive I have been cloning the DVD to  
disk before ripping, and I've noticed that it doesn't seem to work if  
I just do `dd if=/dev/cdrom of=disc.iso`. It seems like I have to  
access the disk using some other command first, then dd works just  
fine (in exactly the way I tried a moment before).


Can anyone explain this, please?

I'm guessing it has something to do with DeCSS encryption, but firstly  
I don't understand how that applies to dd, because I'd have assumed  
that treats the drive as a block device. Secondly, if this is related  
to DeCSS, I don't understand why accessing the disk with one command  
leaves it unlocked for another command to access the disk a minute  
later.


Anyone got any thoughts, please?

I haven't looked into this deeply myself, yet, so I'm not able to give  
a full analysis of how exactly the behaviour is manifesting itself. I  
tried dd'ing one disk and it didn't work, so I started undvd working  
with the --clone option and cancelled when the cloning had finished  
(and the rip began). I basically wanted to see if it worked or failed,  
and it worked just fine, so I looked through undvd's source and it  
_seems_ (I say seems lest I'm reading undvd's perl code wrongly)  
just to use dd itself. So next I tried `dd if=/dev/cdrom  
of=disc_manual_dd.iso` myself and not only did it work just fine, but  
the md5sums of the two images (the one produced by undvd  the one  
produced by my manual dd) were identical.


So I tried with a different disk - take a look at the attached  
cloning.txt - and dd fails repeatedly at 770kB. Then I run scandvd on  
the disk and after that dd works perfectly, 8027521024 bytes (8.0 GB)  
copied. scandvd is a tool which is packaged with undvd and it runs  
mplayer (I'm sure) on the disk, then shows the number of tracks on the  
disk in a pretty format.


This is no kind of a show-stopper for me, because I've described the  
workaround above, it's just a curiosity. I guess I'm not alone on here  
in wanting to know how these computer things work.


I'd be really interested if anyone else's DVD drives show the same  
behaviour. Does dd fail for you when you try it on a new movie? If you  
don't have undvd installed, just run `mplayer dvd://`, cancel it and  
then try dd again.


Sorry if I've been a little verbose with my explanation, BTW. It's a  
little late here, I'm a little tired, and with these weird things that  
I almost don't believe myself I always like to explain  
comprehensively, and it prolly reads like I'm blabbering.


Thanks for any thoughts,

Stroller.




Re: [gentoo-user] Cloning movie DVDs with dd - only works after accessing disk with another command?

2009-08-10 Thread Stroller


On 11 Aug 2009, at 05:43, Stroller wrote:

...
So I tried with a different disk - take a look at the attached  
cloning.txt - and dd fails repeatedly at 770kB. Then I run scandvd  
on the disk and after that dd works perfectly, 8027521024 bytes  
(8.0 GB) copied. scandvd is a tool which is packaged with undvd and  
it runs mplayer (I'm sure) on the disk, then shows the number of  
tracks on the disk in a pretty format.



Sorry, here's the promised attachment.

~ $ cd /mnt/space/DVDrip/
/mnt/space/DVDrip $ ls
Day Of The Triffids  Heat
/mnt/space/DVDrip $ mkdir Narc
/mnt/space/DVDrip $ cd Narc/
/mnt/space/DVDrip/Narc $ dd if=/dev/cdrom of=disc.iso
dd: reading `/dev/cdrom': Input/output error
1504+0 records in
1504+0 records out
770048 bytes (770 kB) copied, 4.35681 s, 177 kB/s
/mnt/space/DVDrip/Narc $ dd if=/dev/cdrom of=disc.iso
dd: reading `/dev/cdrom': Input/output error
1504+0 records in
1504+0 records out
770048 bytes (770 kB) copied, 0.469213 s, 1.6 MB/s
/mnt/space/DVDrip/Narc $ dd if=/dev/cdrom of=disc.iso
dd: reading `/dev/cdrom': Input/output error
1504+0 records in
1504+0 records out
770048 bytes (770 kB) copied, 0.440263 s, 1.7 MB/s
/mnt/space/DVDrip/Narc $ dd if=/dev/cdrom of=disc.iso
dd: reading `/dev/cdrom': Input/output error
1504+0 records in
1504+0 records out
770048 bytes (770 kB) copied, 0.46938 s, 1.6 MB/s
/mnt/space/DVDrip/Narc $ dd if=/dev/cdrom of=disc.iso
dd: reading `/dev/cdrom': Input/output error
1504+0 records in
1504+0 records out
770048 bytes (770 kB) copied, 0.457693 s, 1.7 MB/s
/mnt/space/DVDrip/Narc $ dd if=/dev/cdrom of=disc.iso
dd: reading `/dev/cdrom': Input/output error
1504+0 records in
1504+0 records out
770048 bytes (770 kB) copied, 0.450244 s, 1.7 MB/s
/mnt/space/DVDrip/Narc $ dd if=/dev/cdrom of=disc.iso
dd: reading `/dev/cdrom': Input/output error
1504+0 records in
1504+0 records out
770048 bytes (770 kB) copied, 0.455701 s, 1.7 MB/s
/mnt/space/DVDrip/Narc $ scandvd
{( --- scandvd 0.7.5 --- )}
 * Scanning DVD for titles with lsdvd...
01  length: 00:00:00  audio: en en en en en en en en  subs: xx xx xx xx xx xx xx
 xx xx xx xx xx xx xx xx xx xx xx xx xx xx xx xx xx xx xx xx xx xx xx xx xx
02  length: 00:13:20  audio: en  subs: en
03  length: 00:09:51  audio: en  subs: en
04  length: 01:40:56  audio: en en  subs: en en
05  length: 00:19:26  audio: en  subs: en
06  length: 00:12:57  audio: en  subs: en
07  length: 00:02:26  audio: en

To watch a title:
 mplayer   dvd://01 -alang en  -slang en/off
To rip titles:
 undvd -t 01,02,03  -a en  -s en/off
/mnt/space/DVDrip/Narc $ dd if=/dev/cdrom of=disc.iso
15678752+0 records in
15678752+0 records out
8027521024 bytes (8.0 GB) copied, 1352.31 s, 5.9 MB/s
/mnt/space/DVDrip/Narc $
/mnt/space/DVDrip/Narc $ mplayer dvd://4 -dvd-device disc.iso -ao null -vo png 
-ss 600 -frames 1
MPlayer SVN-r29463-4.1.2 (C) 2000-2009 MPlayer Team

Playing dvd://4.
libdvdread: Using libdvdcss version 1.2.10 for DVD access
There are 7 titles on this DVD.
There are 1 angles in this DVD title.

libdvdread: Attempting to retrieve all CSS keys
libdvdread: This can take a _long_ time, please be patient

libdvdread: Get key for /VIDEO_TS/VIDEO_TS.VOB at 0x0147
libdvdread: Elapsed time 0
libdvdread: Get key for /VIDEO_TS/VTS_01_0.VOB at 0x01b3
libdvdread: Elapsed time 0
libdvdread: Get key for /VIDEO_TS/VTS_01_1.VOB at 0x00013507
libdvdread: Elapsed time 0
libdvdread: Get key for /VIDEO_TS/VTS_02_0.VOB at 0x000135e2
libdvdread: Elapsed time 0
libdvdread: Get key for /VIDEO_TS/VTS_02_1.VOB at 0x0001362f
libdvdread: Elapsed time 0
libdvdread: Get key for /VIDEO_TS/VTS_03_0.VOB at 0x0005e0b0
libdvdread: Elapsed time 0
libdvdread: Get key for /VIDEO_TS/VTS_03_1.VOB at 0x0005e0fd
libdvdread: Elapsed time 0
libdvdread: Get key for /VIDEO_TS/VTS_04_0.VOB at 0x0009551b
libdvdread: Elapsed time 0
libdvdread: Get key for /VIDEO_TS/VTS_04_1.VOB at 0x00095568
libdvdread: Elapsed time 0
libdvdread: Get key for /VIDEO_TS/VTS_05_0.VOB at 0x002f2cc9
libdvdread: Elapsed time 0
libdvdread: Get key for /VIDEO_TS/VTS_05_1.VOB at 0x002f2d16
libdvdread: Elapsed time 0
libdvdread: Get key for /VIDEO_TS/VTS_06_0.VOB at 0x0035f7d4
libdvdread: Elapsed time 0
libdvdread: Get key for /VIDEO_TS/VTS_06_1.VOB at 0x0035f821
libdvdread: Elapsed time 0
libdvdread: Get key for /VIDEO_TS/VTS_07_0.VOB at 0x003a8051
libdvdread: Elapsed time 0
libdvdread: Get key for /VIDEO_TS/VTS_07_1.VOB at 0x003a809e
libdvdread: Elapsed time 0
libdvdread: Found 7 VTS's
libdvdread: Elapsed time 0
audio stream: 0 format: ac3 (5.1) language: en aid: 128.
audio stream: 1 format: ac3 (stereo) language: en aid: 129.
number of audio channels on disk: 2.
subtitle ( sid ): 0 language: en
subtitle ( sid ): 1 language: en
number of subtitles on disk: 2
MPEG-PS file format detected.
VIDEO:  MPEG2  720x576  (aspect 3)  25.000 fps  9000.0 kbps (1125.0 kbyte/s)
==
Opening video decoder: [mpegpes] MPEG 1/2 Video