Re: [gentoo-user] How to set udev rule?

[Jesús Guerrero]

On Sun, August 30, 2009 23:26, Alex Schuster wrote:
> Jesús Guerrero writes:
>
>
>> Then they wonder why the heck
>> the file is not where it should be. I guess they never heard of cached
>> writes.
>>
>> The correct thing to do is of course to umount it before,
>> and then unplug it or whatever.
>
> I do so, it makes me feel better, but I wonder whether it is _really_
> necessary.

It is. Nothing can guarantee that the data has been dumped to the disk
unless you umount it first. You can reduce the chances of losing
information by waiting before removing it. But if the system is loaded
the writes can be deferred to a later time, when the system is idle.
This can be partially mitigated by using the "sync" mount option, as
you say below. :)

Of course then the performance will drop, and the i/o scheduler will
not have a chance to work as usual either because i/o ops will not be
queued, which is the bad part of the deal.


> I see Windows users do this all the time, without any problem
> yet. Of course, the wait a little after writing to it, but a few seconds
> after the blinking stops seem to be enough.

Lucky guys. That, or when the file is not on the drive they come back
and copy it again without you noticing it. This happens lots of times.
I've seen it and I'll continue to see it as long as users don't
understand what's going under the hood. That's what the safe removal
feature in Windows is about, it's not there just to decorate your
try, it exists for a reason.

> And people are lazy,

Yes, I am as well. But when integrity matters you really want to umount
or at least sync before unplugging. I am a lazy guy, lazy like hell, but
I always fasten my seat belt when I am going to drive. ;)

> The
> udev mouting rule is nice, but it leaves a lot of mounts when plugging in
> and out repeatedly.

Mmmm, I am not sure I follow you. If you use a rule as described above
you can remove the mount and even the mount point when the device is
detached. Is not that what you mean?

> When the system is mostly idle, I guess the writing to the stick would
> not be delayed for a long time, so this should be quite safe. At least if
> the data is not that important. And if there are no writes, I see no
> problem at all.

If you don't have a problem with the chance to lose files that's ok. I
just thought I'd point it out just in case, because the chance is there.
A write operation can be deferred for a number of reasons. That's why
"sync" (both as a command and as a mount option) was invented in first
place.

> There also is the sync option to mount, it should not be used on media
> with limited number of write cycles, but I also guess that for my purposes
> this would not matter.

Nowadays this shouldn't matter too much. The life cycle of ssd devices
has been greatly expanded, and they also do some kind of balancing so
all the blocks get the same usage. Even journal fs's shouldn't be much
of a problem with any recent flash device.

-- 
Jesús Guerrero

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Cannot start net.eth0

[Manuel Fiorelli]

According to this bug report

http://bugs.gentoo.org/148090

there was a problem with my hardware, which was addressed patching the
module r8169.

Manuel Fiorelli

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Cannot start net.eth0

[Manuel Fiorelli]

2009/8/31 Neal Hogan :
> rc-update?

My "/etc/conf.d/net" is

config_eth0=("dhcp")


and the output of `rc-update show default` is

   local | default
  net.eth0 | default
netmount | default


I can execute "ifconfig eth0 up" with success, but nothing seems to wok :-(

Manuel Fiorelli

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Cannot start net.eth0

[Neal Hogan]

On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 6:11 PM, Manuel
Fiorelli wrote:
> 2009/8/31 Manuel Fiorelli :
>> I installed Gentoo from a minimal CD on a HP Pavillion dv6. I chose to
>> use genkernel to automatically configure the kernel.
>
> I forgot to say that I have installed the kernel 2.6.30-gentoo-r4.

rc-update?

http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?part=1&chap=8#doc_chap2
[+]

> Manuel Fiorelli
>
>

[gentoo-user] Re: Cannot start net.eth0

[Manuel Fiorelli]

2009/8/31 Manuel Fiorelli :
> I installed Gentoo from a minimal CD on a HP Pavillion dv6. I chose to
> use genkernel to automatically configure the kernel.

I forgot to say that I have installed the kernel 2.6.30-gentoo-r4.

Manuel Fiorelli

[gentoo-user] Cannot start net.eth0

[Manuel Fiorelli]

I installed Gentoo from a minimal CD on a HP Pavillion dv6. I chose to
use genkernel to automatically configure the kernel. Unfortunately,
during the boot, it seems that the dhcp client isn't able to contact
the DHCP server.

Running lspci, I can detect the network adapter:

03:00.0 Ethernet Controller: Realtek Semiconductor CO., Ltd.
RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller (rev 02)


It seems that the system has loaded the module r8169, even if it
doesn't match exactly my model.

If I start /etc/init.d/net.eth0 manually, I can see


* starting eth0
*   bringing ip eth0
* dhcp
* Running dhclient 
PING 192.168.0.1 (192.168.0.1) 56(84) bytes of data.

--- 192.168.0.1 ping statistics ---
1 packets transmitted, 0 received, +1 errors, 100% packet loss, time 0ms


Thanks in advance,
Manuel Fiorelli

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How to play quicktime (*.mov) videos with firefox

[Stroller]

On 30 Aug 2009, at 17:40, Alan McKinnon wrote:

...
mplayer support for realplayer was a right royal cockup. The only  
thing it
could ever have meant was that mplayer could play Real videos. But  
the way it
was documented, users couldn't figure out if this would install the  
binary
realplayer, provide support for real from some other party, or do an  
entirely

different third action.


I _believe_ that at one time the "real" USE flag installed  
RealPlayer's binary codecs, but that with USE="-real" mplayer would  
still play most Real streams, anyway.


This is - as you say - confusing and non-intuitive.

When the the "real" USE flag was masked there was, therefore, uproar  
because it was assumed by the unwashed masses (including myself) that  
"OMG! mplayer won't play the BBC Radio 1 Real stream anymore", and  
this assumption was incorrect.


IIRC the RealPlayer's binary codecs were pretty much used only for  
streams of an obsolete format depreciated by Real themselves. Newer  
Real streams used codecs like MP3 that mplayer would quite happily  
decode on its own (providing USE="mp3").


I gather, however, that the "real" USE flag may now have been  
reinstated with a different meaning - the intuitive one.  :/


Stroller.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How to play quicktime (*.mov) videos with firefox

[Stroller]

On 30 Aug 2009, at 18:23, Harry Putnam wrote:

...

"USE=" is supposed to add *support* for , not
necessarily *install* something called . Whatever 
means in the context of a specific ebuild depends on what the ebuild
is for, and different ebuilds with the same USE flag may have
entirely different DEPEND stanzas, depending on how the package is
written and what it needs to build/run.


But wouldn't having the gnome use flag active cause updates to pull in
stuff that may not be necessary for the one or two gnome based tools
$user wants?



The way I tend to perceive USE flags is that they generally "add  
compatibility" or add "extra options".


So if you emerge mplayer the "dvd" USE flag adds DVD compatibility &  
support to mplayer. At one time I used a wifi driver which had an "X"  
USE flag - adding that installed a GUI utility for configuring the  
driver, if it was omitted then one would simply edit text files "in  
the normal way".


If you add these USE flags and install packages that use them, then,  
yes, the USE flag may add dependencies and cause additional packages  
to be installed. But simply adding a USE flag won't _on its own_  
install additional packages - you have to run emerge before they're  
drawn in, and you get to review the dependencies at that time.


You might find that if YOU added "USE=gnome" to your make.conf and  
reinstalled world that a whole load of extra gnome packages would be  
installed. But probably not as much as installing the whole gnome-base/ 
gnome. The thing is that people who WANT gnome will probably already  
have installed gnome-base/gnome and games-mud/gnome-mud and gnome- 
extra/gnome-web-photo and gnome-foo/bar - for them adding the gnome  
USE flag and emerging mplayer may not install any additional packages  
(because they already have so many gnomish packages installed that the  
dependencies are already satisfied) but simply add a simple GUI for  
mplayer and an entry in the Gnome start menu.


I hope this clarifies, but I apologise if I'm explaining in a way that  
makes sense only to me.


I tend to add USE flags to make.conf for stuff I'm likely to use all  
the time - support for tiff and jpeg, for instance. Then I consider  
other USE flags on a package-by-package basis (`emerge -pv package`).  
I may add -truetype to package.use if it indicates that loads of X11  
type dependencies will be installed on my headless server, but  
generally I don't worry too much about one or three additional small  
packages being installed as dependencies - I like Gentoo because it's  
small & lean & fast, but it's generally that way, anyway, and most  
packages in the tree add little overhead.


Stroller.

Re: [gentoo-user] How to set udev rule?

[Alex Schuster]

Jesús Guerrero writes:

> On Sun, August 30, 2009 21:38, Dirk Heinrichs wrote:
> > Am Sonntag 30 August 2009 19:29:39 schrieb Alex Schuster:
> >> I have to change the bus from usb to scsi, then it works. But what
> >> about unmounting? Is is possible to have it unmounted after I pull the
> >> memory stick?
> >
> > How do want to umount something that's not there anymore? You have to
> > umount _before_ you pull it.
>
> You can force the umount using -l (no, it's not documented in the man
> page). You can use this to umount a volume *after* it has been physically
> removed.

The -l is not necessary here, a simple umount is enough.

> And some people use this crap on udev rules to remove the
> volume when they unplug the pendrive. 

Yes, this very rule would be nice to have :)

> Then they wonder why the heck
> the file is not where it should be. I guess they never heard of cached
> writes.
>
> The correct thing to do is of course to umount it before,
> and then unplug it or whatever.

I do so, it makes me feel better, but I wonder whether it is _really_ 
necessary. I see Windows users do this all the time, without any problem 
yet. Of course, the wait a little after writing to it, but a few seconds 
after the blinking stops seem to be enough. And people are lazy, I know my 
Linux users _will_ just plug the stick. Using the KDE4 automounter, the 
device will be unmounted automatically in this case, but I am looking for a 
solution without KDE4, and as few user interaction as possible. The udev 
mouting rule is nice, but it leaves a lot of mounts when plugging in and out 
repeatedly.

When the system is mostly idle, I guess the writing to the stick would not 
be delayed for a long time, so this should be quite safe. At least if the 
data is not that important. And if there are no writes, I see no problem at 
all.

There also is the sync option to mount, it should not be used on media with 
limited number of write cycles, but I also guess that for my purposes this 
would not matter.

Wonko

Re: [gentoo-user] How to set udev rule?

[Dale]

Jesús Guerrero wrote:
> On Sun, August 30, 2009 21:38, Dirk Heinrichs wrote:
>   
>> Am Sonntag 30 August 2009 19:29:39 schrieb Alex Schuster:
>>
>>
>> 
>>> I have to change the bus from usb to scsi, then it works. But what
>>> about unmounting? Is is possible to have it unmounted after I pull the
>>> memory stick?
>>>   
>> How do want to umount something that's not there anymore? You have to
>> umount _before_ you pull it.
>> 
>
> You can force the umount using -l (no, it's not documented in the man
> page). You can use this to umount a volume *after* it has been physically
> removed. And some people use this crap on udev rules to remove the
> volume when they unplug the pendrive. Then they wonder why the heck
> the file is not where it should be. I guess they never heard of cached
> writes.
>
> The correct thing to do is of course to umount it before,
> and then unplug it or whatever.
>
> If you truly want to umount after, you should at least do a sync before
> removing the device. In any case, if you don't follow the logical
> order of the things don't complain if then you find that the files that
> should be there are not there when you need them.
>
> If you truly love risk, just use umount -l, but you have to promise not
> to cry if the fs breaks or your files are not writen when you sudenly
> unplug the device.
>
>   

Basically, if he is going to do this the way he is thinking of doing it,
use cp NOT mv.  o_O  If he uses mv and then unpkugs it without
unmounting or syncing, the file is gone for good.  At least with cp you
still have the original file.

Just thinking this through a little here.

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] How to set udev rule?

[Jesús Guerrero]

On Sun, August 30, 2009 21:38, Dirk Heinrichs wrote:
> Am Sonntag 30 August 2009 19:29:39 schrieb Alex Schuster:
>
>
>> I have to change the bus from usb to scsi, then it works. But what
>> about unmounting? Is is possible to have it unmounted after I pull the
>> memory stick?
>
> How do want to umount something that's not there anymore? You have to
> umount _before_ you pull it.

You can force the umount using -l (no, it's not documented in the man
page). You can use this to umount a volume *after* it has been physically
removed. And some people use this crap on udev rules to remove the
volume when they unplug the pendrive. Then they wonder why the heck
the file is not where it should be. I guess they never heard of cached
writes.

The correct thing to do is of course to umount it before,
and then unplug it or whatever.

If you truly want to umount after, you should at least do a sync before
removing the device. In any case, if you don't follow the logical
order of the things don't complain if then you find that the files that
should be there are not there when you need them.

If you truly love risk, just use umount -l, but you have to promise not
to cry if the fs breaks or your files are not writen when you sudenly
unplug the device.

-- 
Jesús Guerrero

[gentoo-user] Re: How to play quicktime (*.mov) videos with firefox

[Nikos Chantziaras]

On 08/30/2009 10:59 PM, 7v5w7go9ub0o wrote:

64bit Linux, AFAICT, does not yet play .mov files


They play fine here.

[gentoo-user] Re: How to play quicktime (*.mov) videos with firefox

[7v5w7go9ub0o]

Harry Putnam wrote:
I'm having a heck of a time getting firefox setup so it can handle 
quicktime videos.


FWIW, out of security considerations I run FF in a chroot jail with as
little "other stuff" in the jail as possible

So using an extension called "unplug"
 I can locate
embedded media and download the link or the file itself. I then play the
download on 32bit using mplayer (in its own jail).

64bit Linux, AFAICT, does not yet play .mov files, so I'm presently
using QTalternative in wine 'til mplayer, xine, or vlc works on 64bit.

HTH

Re: [gentoo-user] How to set udev rule?

[Dirk Heinrichs]

Am Sonntag 30 August 2009 19:29:39 schrieb Alex Schuster:

> I have to change the bus from usb to scsi, then it works. But what about
> unmounting? Is is possible to have it unmounted after I pull the memory
> stick?

How do want to umount something that's not there anymore? You have to umount 
_before_ you pull it.

Bye...

Dirk


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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: keyboard copy paste

[Jesús Guerrero]

> It has to be something done with javascript to intercept the event of
> pressing  and disabling or redirecting it.
>
> There are dozens of routines in javascript and AJAX that intercept
> keyboard and mouse events... and use them to display something helpful like
> a preview of the page the hyperlink leads to or that sort of thing.
>
> So I'm guessing its either being done purposely for some reason or is
> a side effect of some other javascript code.

That would make sense. Firefox has no easy way to handle that, other
than disabling javascript of course, which would pretty much kill the
site if it relies too heavily on javascript.

> Thanks for the time and help.

You are welcome.
-- 
Jesús Guerrero

[gentoo-user] Re: keyboard copy paste

[Harry Putnam]

Jesús Guerrero  writes:

> On Sun, August 30, 2009 19:52, Harry Putnam wrote:
>> Jesús Guerrero  writes:
>>
>>
>> [...]
>>
>>
  will navigate to next and  to previous link and I
 see they are selected... but I find no keyboard action that does
 whatever a mouse click does to hyperlinks...[/quote]
>>>
>>> That entirely depends on the browser you use. But usually it's enter
>>> once you have the link selected. At least, that works on firefox and
>>> seamonkey. I seem to remember the same holds true for konqueror, not
>>> sure.
>>>

 I thought either  or  but neither of those activate the
 links. Also tried quite a few other keyboard combos, but never did
 find one that activates a hyperlink like a mouse click does.
>>>
>>> If that doesn't work, then let us know which browser do you use.
>>>
>>
>> Yes sorry.  I use firefox-3.5.1 and I also thought  should
>> activate a hperlink.
>
> I don't know what your problem might be then.
>
> If you select a link with tab, just pressing enter should be enough
> to open it.
>
> An alternate method is to directly type part of the link, firefox
> will select matches (you don't have to press any key combo to open
> the search box or anything, it's automatic as you start typing). Once
> you have typed enough characters and the selection is -hopefully-
> over the link, just press enter. This method can be a bit tricky
> sometimes. You might need to click the background on the area containing
> the links or tab somewhere near the link to be able to use it.
>
> Yet a third method would be to use the search feature. Control+f, then
> type part of the name, once the link is -partly- selected, press ESC
> (important, to close the search bar) then enter to activate the selected
> link.
>
>> If your enter key activates hyperlinks, please try some of the links
>> here:
>> http://www.lynda.com/home/ViewCourses.aspx?lpk0=391
>
> As far as I can tell, they work fine in both firefox and seamonkey.

This is beginning to seem very strange... My firefox browser follows
all the things you laid out above on any other site.

It has to be something to do with me being logged into that account.

Logging out doesn't change it either... what happens is the first
keystroke I do after arriving at the home page, causes me to be logged
in again and then the links will not activate with 

It has to be something done with javascript to intercept the event of
pressing  and disabling or redirecting it.

There are dozens of routines in javascript and AJAX that intercept
keyboard and mouse events... and use them to display something helpful
like a preview of the page the hyperlink leads to or that sort of
thing.

So I'm guessing its either being done purposely for some reason or is
a side effect of some other javascript code.

Thanks for the time and help.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: keyboard copy paste

[Jesús Guerrero]

On Sun, August 30, 2009 19:52, Harry Putnam wrote:
> Jesús Guerrero  writes:
>
>
> [...]
>
>
>>>  will navigate to next and  to previous link and I
>>> see they are selected... but I find no keyboard action that does
>>> whatever a mouse click does to hyperlinks...[/quote]
>>
>> That entirely depends on the browser you use. But usually it's enter
>> once you have the link selected. At least, that works on firefox and
>> seamonkey. I seem to remember the same holds true for konqueror, not
>> sure.
>>
>>>
>>> I thought either  or  but neither of those activate the
>>> links. Also tried quite a few other keyboard combos, but never did
>>> find one that activates a hyperlink like a mouse click does.
>>
>> If that doesn't work, then let us know which browser do you use.
>>
>
> Yes sorry.  I use firefox-3.5.1 and I also thought  should
> activate a hperlink.

I don't know what your problem might be then.

If you select a link with tab, just pressing enter should be enough
to open it.

An alternate method is to directly type part of the link, firefox
will select matches (you don't have to press any key combo to open
the search box or anything, it's automatic as you start typing). Once
you have typed enough characters and the selection is -hopefully-
over the link, just press enter. This method can be a bit tricky
sometimes. You might need to click the background on the area containing
the links or tab somewhere near the link to be able to use it.

Yet a third method would be to use the search feature. Control+f, then
type part of the name, once the link is -partly- selected, press ESC
(important, to close the search bar) then enter to activate the selected
link.

> If your enter key activates hyperlinks, please try some of the links
> here:
> http://www.lynda.com/home/ViewCourses.aspx?lpk0=391

As far as I can tell, they work fine in both firefox and seamonkey.


-- 
Jesús Guerrero

[gentoo-user] Re: keyboard copy paste

[Harry Putnam]

Jesús Guerrero  writes:

[...]

>>  will navigate to next and  to previous link and I see
>> they are selected... but I find no keyboard action that does whatever a
>> mouse click does to hyperlinks...[/quote]
>
> That entirely depends on the browser you use. But usually it's enter
> once you have the link selected. At least, that works on firefox
> and seamonkey. I seem to remember the same holds true for konqueror,
> not sure.
>
>>
>> I thought either  or  but neither of those activate the
>> links. Also tried quite a few other keyboard combos, but never did find one
>> that activates a hyperlink like a mouse click does.
>
> If that doesn't work, then let us know which browser do you use.

Yes sorry.  I use firefox-3.5.1 and I also thought  should
activate a hperlink.

I use Xfce4 desktop and and the default/linux/x86/2008.0 profile

I did look at the keyboard shortcuts listed in firefox help file but
none of them appears to be for activating a hyperlink.

If your enter key activates hyperlinks, please try some of the links
here:
  http://www.lynda.com/home/ViewCourses.aspx?lpk0=391

And let me know if it works there for you.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How to play quicktime (*.mov) videos with firefox

[Jesús Guerrero]

On Sun, August 30, 2009 19:23, Harry Putnam wrote:
> Alan McKinnon  writes:
>
>
>> You have it wrong.
>>
>
> A not unusual state of affairs for me, I'll admit.
>
>
> After several yrs on gentoo... I still don't understand fully the use
> of the USE flags.
>
>> "USE=" is supposed to add *support* for , not
>> necessarily *install* something called . Whatever  means in
>> the context of a specific ebuild depends on what the ebuild is for, and
>> different ebuilds with the same USE flag may have entirely different
>> DEPEND stanzas, depending on how the package is
>> written and what it needs to build/run.
>
> But wouldn't having the gnome use flag active cause updates to pull in
> stuff that may not be necessary for the one or two gnome based tools $user
> wants?

USE flags don't pull into your system things that are not required.
If you enable a given feature and extra stuff is required, then it
is required. Otherwise, just disable the feature and that way you
will remove the dependencies.

You don't have to enable it globally either. If you only require the
feature for a given program use package.use instead of putting the
USE in your make.conf, that way you will limit the scope of the use
flag to a given package.

-- 
Jesús Guerrero

Re: [gentoo-user] How to set udev rule?

[Alex Schuster]

David Relson writes:

> Don't know if the following will help, but it's a rule that I
> successfully use to mount a USB memory stick:
>
>  BUS=="usb", SYSFS{manufacturer}=="STECH", SYMLINK+="STECH",
> run+="/bin/mount -a"

I have to change the bus from usb to scsi, then it works. But what about 
unmounting? Is is possible to have it unmounted after I pull the memory 
stick?

Wonko

[gentoo-user] Re: How to play quicktime (*.mov) videos with firefox

[Harry Putnam]

Alan McKinnon  writes:

> You have it wrong.

A not unusual state of affairs for me, I'll admit.

After several yrs on gentoo... I still don't understand fully the use
of the USE flags.

> "USE=" is supposed to add *support* for , not
> necessarily *install* something called . Whatever 
> means in the context of a specific ebuild depends on what the ebuild
> is for, and different ebuilds with the same USE flag may have
> entirely different DEPEND stanzas, depending on how the package is
> written and what it needs to build/run.

But wouldn't having the gnome use flag active cause updates to pull in
stuff that may not be necessary for the one or two gnome based tools
$user wants?

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: keyboard copy paste

[Jesús Guerrero]

On Sun, August 30, 2009 19:20, Harry Putnam wrote:
> Frank Steinmetzger  writes:
>
>
>> Am Sonntag, 30. August 2009 schrieb Harry Putnam:
>>
>>
>>> Now I want to paste whats on the clipboard into an Xterm cmd line,
>>> without going to the mouse.
>>>
>>> I'm running recent Xfce4 desktop... but not finding a way to do this.
>>>
>>>
>>> Can I just steal whatever events happen when middle click on three
>>> button mouse and put them into a keyboard shortcut?
>>>
>>> How might I do that?
>>>
>>
>> Pasting into an xterm or one of its clones can be done by Shift+Ins.
>>
>
> Haa... yes nice...
>
>
> How about a way to activate a hyperlink from keyboard?
>
>
> I have a list of videos that are displayed as hyperlinks on a web
> page.
>
>  will navigate to next and  to previous link and I see
> they are selected... but I find no keyboard action that does whatever a
> mouse click does to hyperlinks...[/quote]

That entirely depends on the browser you use. But usually it's enter
once you have the link selected. At least, that works on firefox
and seamonkey. I seem to remember the same holds true for konqueror,
not sure.

>
> I thought either  or  but neither of those activate the
> links. Also tried quite a few other keyboard combos, but never did find one
> that activates a hyperlink like a mouse click does.

If that doesn't work, then let us know which browser do you use.

-- 
Jesús Guerrero

[gentoo-user] Re: keyboard copy paste

[Harry Putnam]

Frank Steinmetzger  writes:

> Am Sonntag, 30. August 2009 schrieb Harry Putnam:
>
>> Now I want to paste whats on the clipboard into an Xterm cmd line,
>> without going to the mouse.
>>
>> I'm running recent Xfce4 desktop... but not finding a way to do this.
>>
>> Can I just steal whatever events happen when middle click on three
>> button mouse and put them into a keyboard shortcut?
>>
>> How might I do that?
>
> Pasting into an xterm or one of its clones can be done by Shift+Ins.

Haa... yes nice...

How about a way to activate a hyperlink from keyboard?

I have a list of videos that are displayed as hyperlinks on a web
page.

 will navigate to next and  to previous link and I see
they are selected... but I find no keyboard action that does whatever
a mouse click does to hyperlinks... 

I thought either  or  but neither of those activate the
links. Also tried quite a few other keyboard combos, but never did
find one that activates a hyperlink like a mouse click does.

Thanks for the paste combo!

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How to play quicktime (*.mov) videos with firefox

[Alan McKinnon]

On Sunday 30 August 2009 18:09:08 Harry Putnam wrote:
> Stroller  writes:
> > Actually, I think there used to be an mplayer USE flag that behaved in
> > exactly this way - it was associated with RealPlayer &/or their
> > codecs.
> >
> > However I would assume this to be the exception rather than the rule,
> > and one would generally assume that USE="x y z" adds support for x, y,
> > z.
>
> Maybe not all that exceptional... consider the case of users who don't
> run gnome desktop but want certain gnome tools... would they not leave
> gnome at `-gnome'?

You have it wrong.

"USE=" is supposed to add *support* for , not necessarily 
*install* something called . Whatever  means in the context of a 
specific ebuild depends on what the ebuild is for, and different ebuilds with 
the same USE flag may have entirely different DEPEND stanzas, depending on how 
the package is written and what it needs to build/run.

mplayer support for realplayer was a right royal cockup. The only thing it 
could ever have meant was that mplayer could play Real videos. But the way it 
was documented, users couldn't figure out if this would install the binary 
realplayer, provide support for real from some other party, or do an entirely 
different third action.

USE=gnome does not necessarily install all of gnome. That would depend on what 
specific packages using that flag you have installed. They have their own 
DEPENDS, and the sum total of those is what you get if you set the flag. if 
you want certain gnome tools but not the gnome desktop, then you would leave 
USE at -gnome and emerge the gnome tools. Which means that everything else you 
have that could support gnome, will be built without gnome support (with the 
exception of packages written by folk who don't know how to do compile-time 
configuration).

What's so exceptional about that?

-- 
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Re: [gentoo-user] keyboard copy paste

[Frank Steinmetzger]

Am Sonntag, 30. August 2009 schrieb Harry Putnam:

> Now I want to paste whats on the clipboard into an Xterm cmd line,
> without going to the mouse.
>
> I'm running recent Xfce4 desktop... but not finding a way to do this.
>
> Can I just steal whatever events happen when middle click on three
> button mouse and put them into a keyboard shortcut?
>
> How might I do that?

Pasting into an xterm or one of its clones can be done by Shift+Ins.
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[gentoo-user] keyboard copy paste

[Harry Putnam]

How can I copy and paste with the keybard between application windows.
I think I remember knowing how to do this at some time in the past but
now just coming up blank as to how.

I want to copy something in Emacs... ok .. no problem.. there are many
ways with keyboard inside emacs.

Now I want to paste whats on the clipboard into an Xterm cmd line,
without going to the mouse.

I'm running recent Xfce4 desktop... but not finding a way to do this.

Can I just steal whatever events happen when middle click on three
button mouse and put them into a keyboard shortcut?

How might I do that?

[gentoo-user] Re: How to play quicktime (*.mov) videos with firefox

[Harry Putnam]

Stroller  writes:

> Actually, I think there used to be an mplayer USE flag that behaved in
> exactly this way - it was associated with RealPlayer &/or their
> codecs.
>
> However I would assume this to be the exception rather than the rule,
> and one would generally assume that USE="x y z" adds support for x, y,
> z.

Maybe not all that exceptional... consider the case of users who don't
run gnome desktop but want certain gnome tools... would they not leave
gnome at `-gnome'?

[gentoo-user] libXfont 1.4.0 fails to emerge

[Simon Hunt]

I need libXfont-1.4.0 because xf86-video-intel-2.7.99.902-r1 depends on
xorg-server-1.6.3 which depends on libXfont-1.4.0. But libXfont fails to
emerge. Here is the end of the libXfont build.log:


libtool: link: i686-pc-linux-gnu-gcc -shared  .libs/dummy.o  
-Wl,--whole-archive fontfile/.libs/libfontfile.a FreeType/.libs/libft.a 
bitmap/.libs/libbitmap.a builtins/.libs/libbuiltins.a fc/.libs/libfc.a 
util/.libs/libutil.a stubs/.libs/libstubs.a -Wl,--no-whole-archive  
/usr/lib/libfreetype.so -lbz2 -lm /usr/lib/libfontenc.so -lz  -march=i686 
-Wl,-O1   -Wl,-soname -Wl,libXfont.so.1 -o .libs/libXfont.so.1.4.1
bitmap/.libs/libbitmap.a: member bitmap/.libs/libbitmap.a(bitscale.o) in 
archive is not an object
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
make[3]: *** [libXfont.la] Error 1
make[3]: Leaving directory 
`/var/tmp/portage/x11-libs/libXfont-1.4.0/work/libXfont-1.4.0/src'
make[2]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[2]: Leaving directory 
`/var/tmp/portage/x11-libs/libXfont-1.4.0/work/libXfont-1.4.0/src'
make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory 
`/var/tmp/portage/x11-libs/libXfont-1.4.0/work/libXfont-1.4.0'
make: *** [all] Error 2
 * 
 * ERROR: x11-libs/libXfont-1.4.0 failed.
 * Call stack:
 *   ebuild.sh, line   49:  Called src_compile
 * environment, line 3109:  Called x-modular_src_compile
 * environment, line 3894:  Called x-modular_src_make
 * environment, line 3934:  Called die
 * The specific snippet of code:
 *   emake || die "emake failed"
 *  The die message:
 *   emake failed
 * 
 * If you need support, post the topmost build error, and the call 
stack if relevant.
 * A complete build log is located at 
'/var/tmp/portage/x11-libs/libXfont-1.4.0/temp/build.log'.
 * The ebuild environment file is located at 
'/var/tmp/portage/x11-libs/libXfont-1.4.0/temp/environment'.
 * 

[gentoo-user] Re: [solved] DOSEMU 1.4.0.0 won't run as ordinary user anymore

[Nikos Chantziaras]

On 08/30/2009 06:47 AM, Walter Dnes wrote:

   After spending some more time in Google, and trying various search
terms, I finally stumbled over the following...
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dosemu/+bug/216398

Summary...

   * temporary workaround; as root, issue the command...
 sysctl vm.mmap_min_addr

   * the sysctl command has to be re-issued after every reboot.  Add
 vm.mmap_min_addr=0
 to /etc/sysctl.conf for it to be set properly every reboot

   That should be safe until the next sys-apps/baselayout update.


This has to be fixed in dosemu, not baselayout :P

Re: [gentoo-user] [solved] DOSEMU 1.4.0.0 won't run as ordinary user anymore

[Drew]

The changes to vm.mmap_min_addr were put in place to protect against a
number of null pointer deference attacks.


-- 
Drew

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