Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] In search of a "good" windowmanager
On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 02:55:34AM +0200, meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: > forgottenwizard [09-09-13 02:12]: > > On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 01:37:45PM -0500, Paul Hartman wrote: > > > On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 8:40 AM, wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > for a long time I used IceWM as my windowmanager since I dont > > > > want to mimicry other OSses (...) or want session management. > > > > One thing, which is a must-have of windowmanagers I want to use > > > > is the possibility to control the windowmanager nearly completly > > > > with the keyboard (hotkeys configurable) which does *not* > > > > imply "uncontrollable by mouse" ;) > > > > Furthermore I should not be a hana-bi or anything else eye-candy > > > > like (nothing against hana-bi as hana-bi!) -- most of the time > > > > I will use the windowmanager instead of only looking at it -- which > > > > does not imply: "black anmd white ugly ascii thingy". > > > > > > > > Since IceWM seems to be gone into hibernation phase I am looking for > > > > a replacement which should > > > > -- be widely configurable via ascii files > > > > -- be as far as possible controllable by keyboard > > > > -- be also useable with the mouse > > > > -- no eye-candy > > > > -- not ugly > > > > -- NOT tiling > > > > -- FAST! > > > > > > > > I would like to hear from others what experiences they made with > > > > what windowmanagers. > > > > > > > > Thank you very much in advance for any help! > > > > Best regards and have a nice weekend! > > > > Meino Cramer > > > > > > try Openbox, tiny but modern > > > > > > > Another vote for Openbox. Good little wm. If you want a panel for it, > > I'd suggest fbpanel. > > > > Hi, > > Currently I am playing aroung with fluxbox. The previously missing > feature of a keyboard useable applikation menu is nearly "fixed" :) > > I also installed fbpanel -- what I miss are the two mini-graphs of > the IceWM-Taskbar, which shows CPU load and net traffic throughput. > Can I get this anywhere in a way that it is incorparated into > fbpanel? > > mcc > It may be possible, but I don't know how. I used fbpanel as just a panel, though if you scale it down in width you could run conky and get the info you want in the exposed area.
[gentoo-user] Duplicate Flash drive
Hello, Background: I've been building firewall for friends out of old pentiums and amd machines for some time now. I have successfully switch to compact Flash 4 G drive, using a CF to ide converter. Now I need to be able to store a generic install on a machine, plug in a new CF module to a CF reader/writer and copy over the default install. >From there I can change IP, hostname etc etc. I have several CF reader/writers one should do the trick. I have a few questions; and I'm seeking advice on how to scale this up, so new installs and replacing firewalls hard drives is quick and easy. All will use an identical hard drive setup and file systems. I guess I should use 'dd' to copy the entire contents of one CF drive to another? Any example syntax with dd is welcome. Should I keep a machine around to run fdisk on a new CF module, or is there a way, I can just plug the CF module into a reader/writer and burn the image onto the CF module directly, and not have to use fdisk to format first? What about grub and the mbr. Will dd copy over all of that information, or do I have to run grub (grub install) manually to ensure the MBR is set properly. Any other comments, caveats or ideas are most welcome. The setup I'm using is as generic as possible so all old 586/pentium/k(amd) arch boxes work ideas and comments are welcome. James
Re: [gentoo-user] How would I disable Flash (oand other things) for a single account?
ACLS maybe? I've read about it but never had a need to do so. On Sat, 2009-09-12 at 21:32 +0200, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > On Samstag 12 September 2009, Mark Knecht wrote: > > On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 11:41 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann > > > > wrote: > > > On Samstag 12 September 2009, Mark Knecht wrote: > > >> Is it possible to shut off all multimedia stuff for a single account? > > >> It's doesn't have to be securely off, just off, so if it cannot be > > >> done by meddling with group membership then doing something in a root > > >> owned bash file that executes when the user logs in even that's fine > > >> with me. (Uh - even I don't know much about what Linux/Gnome does when > > >> a user logs in so I'll get to learn a bit also!) > > >> > > >> I've removed the user account from the audio, video and games groups. > > >> When playing YouTube stuff sound is gone but the Flash video is still > > >> there. Can I stop that from working. maybe by changing paths if > > >> there's not an easier way to do it? > > >> > > >> Thanks, > > >> Mark > > > > > > put all users except the one into one group. > > > > > > change ownership of flash and multimedia stuff to that group. > > > change permissions, make flash and multimedia stuff only owner and group > > > readable/executable. > > > > > > Everybody can use flash and multimediastuff except that user > > > > Makes sense. thanks. > > > > What happens after an emerge that updates the files? I have to go back > > in and change owner:group on the files again? > > > > I'm sure you're right and this is probably the right way to do it. > > > > Thanks, > > Mark > > > > you could either add it to a cron job or run a little script that you run > after every emerge. >
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] In search of a "good" windowmanager
forgottenwizard [09-09-13 02:12]: > On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 01:37:45PM -0500, Paul Hartman wrote: > > On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 8:40 AM, wrote: > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > for a long time I used IceWM as my windowmanager since I dont > > > want to mimicry other OSses (...) or want session management. > > > One thing, which is a must-have of windowmanagers I want to use > > > is the possibility to control the windowmanager nearly completly > > > with the keyboard (hotkeys configurable) which does *not* > > > imply "uncontrollable by mouse" ;) > > > Furthermore I should not be a hana-bi or anything else eye-candy > > > like (nothing against hana-bi as hana-bi!) -- most of the time > > > I will use the windowmanager instead of only looking at it -- which > > > does not imply: "black anmd white ugly ascii thingy". > > > > > > Since IceWM seems to be gone into hibernation phase I am looking for > > > a replacement which should > > > -- be widely configurable via ascii files > > > -- be as far as possible controllable by keyboard > > > -- be also useable with the mouse > > > -- no eye-candy > > > -- not ugly > > > -- NOT tiling > > > -- FAST! > > > > > > I would like to hear from others what experiences they made with > > > what windowmanagers. > > > > > > Thank you very much in advance for any help! > > > Best regards and have a nice weekend! > > > Meino Cramer > > > > try Openbox, tiny but modern > > > > Another vote for Openbox. Good little wm. If you want a panel for it, > I'd suggest fbpanel. > Hi, Currently I am playing aroung with fluxbox. The previously missing feature of a keyboard useable applikation menu is nearly "fixed" :) I also installed fbpanel -- what I miss are the two mini-graphs of the IceWM-Taskbar, which shows CPU load and net traffic throughput. Can I get this anywhere in a way that it is incorparated into fbpanel? mcc -- Please don't send me any Word- or Powerpoint-Attachments unless it's absolutely neccessary. - Send simply Text. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html In a world without fences and walls nobody needs gates and windows.
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] In search of a "good" windowmanager
On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 09:30:49AM +1000, John H. Moe wrote: > > > > > > > > Lars Gustäbel wrote: > > On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 03:40:56PM +0200, class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" > href="mailto:meino.cra...@gmx.de";>meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: > > > I would like to hear from others what experiences they made > with > what windowmanagers. > > > > Hi! > > I've been using fvwm2 ( href="http://fvwm.org";>http://fvwm.org) for years now and am quite happy > with > it. Although it may look old and strange at first (the default settings are > rather horrible IIRC), it is possible to configure every tiny detail of it > using config files. I am still sometimes amazed of what you can do with it. > The fvwm manpage has everything you need to know. > The complexity is also its main drawback: it took me several weeks to have > it the way I wanted it. fvwm is indeed rather complicated at first but that's > why it's so powerful. It is really flexible and you can still use all the > little gui tools out there from other window managers. One cool feature of > fvwm > is that you can assign different window styles based on the application, e.g. > I > have a graphical system monitor on my third desktop, that is started when I > log > in via .xinitrc and always stays on bottom, never gets the focus and does not > appear in the window list or on the task bar, so it does not interfere with > the > rest of the system at all. > Before using fvwm2 I used KDE which had too much stuff I didn't really need. > (However, I am still using the KDE kicker panel with fvwm, which I think is > quite funny.) When I looked for a new window manager I tried fluxbox for a > few > days, but it did not convince me. Then I tried fvwm and stayed with it. > > Regards, > > > > Vote #2 for FVWM. > > It does nothing (or at least, an absolute minimum) by default > you can configure it to be just about whatever you want > man pages explicitly say it can be used mouse-less, and I'm like > you: I grew up with old, command-line systems and am still more > comfortable with that :-P so I've configured most mouse bindings > to > keys as well > Support for extras via FVWM Modules, so that the core system > itself stays small. If you want to add a desktop pager, add the > FVWMPager module. If you want a taskbar, add the FVWMTaskBar > module. > Even a popup banner at startup with FVWMBanner, if you're in to that > sort of thing.. :-P > However, as previous poster pointed out, all this configurability > is also a bit of a drawback, in that there are a LOT of configuration > items to trawl through to find what you want. But most things I've > wanted to do I've been able to find an example of on the FVWM forums, > which are quite helpful. > > From what I've read, you can also use FVWM-Themes to try and get > a jump start with some possible configs, but I've never used them, so I > can't comment on their worth or helpfulness > > > HTH > > John Moe > > > Please don't send html mail to the list. It looks the above quote. -- Jake Todd // If it isn't broke, tweak it! pgpaAB5II54Bx.pgp Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-user] Re: port bandwidth discovery
Daniel Troeder admin-box.com> writes: > Some NICs work with mii-tool, others with ethtool. The latter is > generally the more modern one. thanks for the info James
[gentoo-user] Re: port bandwidth discovery
Ricardo Saffi Marques las.ic.unicamp.br> writes: > Have you tried mii-tool? thanks for the suggestion. James
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] In search of a "good" windowmanager
Lars Gustäbel wrote: On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 03:40:56PM +0200, meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: I would like to hear from others what experiences they made with what windowmanagers. Hi! I've been using fvwm2 (http://fvwm.org) for years now and am quite happy with it. Although it may look old and strange at first (the default settings are rather horrible IIRC), it is possible to configure every tiny detail of it using config files. I am still sometimes amazed of what you can do with it. The fvwm manpage has everything you need to know. The complexity is also its main drawback: it took me several weeks to have it the way I wanted it. fvwm is indeed rather complicated at first but that's why it's so powerful. It is really flexible and you can still use all the little gui tools out there from other window managers. One cool feature of fvwm is that you can assign different window styles based on the application, e.g. I have a graphical system monitor on my third desktop, that is started when I log in via .xinitrc and always stays on bottom, never gets the focus and does not appear in the window list or on the task bar, so it does not interfere with the rest of the system at all. Before using fvwm2 I used KDE which had too much stuff I didn't really need. (However, I am still using the KDE kicker panel with fvwm, which I think is quite funny.) When I looked for a new window manager I tried fluxbox for a few days, but it did not convince me. Then I tried fvwm and stayed with it. Regards, Vote #2 for FVWM. It does nothing (or at least, an absolute minimum) by default you can configure it to be just about whatever you want man pages explicitly say it can be used mouse-less, and I'm like you: I grew up with old, command-line systems and am still more comfortable with that :-P so I've configured most mouse bindings to keys as well Support for extras via FVWM Modules, so that the core system itself stays small. If you want to add a desktop pager, add the FVWMPager module. If you want a taskbar, add the FVWMTaskBar module. Even a popup banner at startup with FVWMBanner, if you're in to that sort of thing.. :-P However, as previous poster pointed out, all this configurability is also a bit of a drawback, in that there are a LOT of configuration items to trawl through to find what you want. But most things I've wanted to do I've been able to find an example of on the FVWM forums, which are quite helpful. From what I've read, you can also use FVWM-Themes to try and get a jump start with some possible configs, but I've never used them, so I can't comment on their worth or helpfulness HTH John Moe
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] In search of a "good" windowmanager
On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 01:37:45PM -0500, Paul Hartman wrote: > On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 8:40 AM, wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > for a long time I used IceWM as my windowmanager since I dont > > want to mimicry other OSses (...) or want session management. > > One thing, which is a must-have of windowmanagers I want to use > > is the possibility to control the windowmanager nearly completly > > with the keyboard (hotkeys configurable) which does *not* > > imply "uncontrollable by mouse" ;) > > Furthermore I should not be a hana-bi or anything else eye-candy > > like (nothing against hana-bi as hana-bi!) -- most of the time > > I will use the windowmanager instead of only looking at it -- which > > does not imply: "black anmd white ugly ascii thingy". > > > > Since IceWM seems to be gone into hibernation phase I am looking for > > a replacement which should > > -- be widely configurable via ascii files > > -- be as far as possible controllable by keyboard > > -- be also useable with the mouse > > -- no eye-candy > > -- not ugly > > -- NOT tiling > > -- FAST! > > > > I would like to hear from others what experiences they made with > > what windowmanagers. > > > > Thank you very much in advance for any help! > > Best regards and have a nice weekend! > > Meino Cramer > > try Openbox, tiny but modern > Another vote for Openbox. Good little wm. If you want a panel for it, I'd suggest fbpanel.
Re: [gentoo-user] How would I disable Flash (oand other things) for a single account?
On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 12:32 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > On Samstag 12 September 2009, Mark Knecht wrote: >> On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 11:41 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann >> >> wrote: >> > On Samstag 12 September 2009, Mark Knecht wrote: >> >> Is it possible to shut off all multimedia stuff for a single account? >> >> It's doesn't have to be securely off, just off, so if it cannot be >> >> done by meddling with group membership then doing something in a root >> >> owned bash file that executes when the user logs in even that's fine >> >> with me. (Uh - even I don't know much about what Linux/Gnome does when >> >> a user logs in so I'll get to learn a bit also!) >> >> >> >> I've removed the user account from the audio, video and games groups. >> >> When playing YouTube stuff sound is gone but the Flash video is still >> >> there. Can I stop that from working. maybe by changing paths if >> >> there's not an easier way to do it? >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> Mark >> > >> > put all users except the one into one group. >> > >> > change ownership of flash and multimedia stuff to that group. >> > change permissions, make flash and multimedia stuff only owner and group >> > readable/executable. >> > >> > Everybody can use flash and multimediastuff except that user >> >> Makes sense. thanks. >> >> What happens after an emerge that updates the files? I have to go back >> in and change owner:group on the files again? >> >> I'm sure you're right and this is probably the right way to do it. >> >> Thanks, >> Mark >> > > you could either add it to a cron job or run a little script that you run > after every emerge. > > Certainly. Thanks.
Re: [gentoo-user] How would I disable Flash (oand other things) for a single account?
On Samstag 12 September 2009, Mark Knecht wrote: > On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 11:41 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann > > wrote: > > On Samstag 12 September 2009, Mark Knecht wrote: > >> Is it possible to shut off all multimedia stuff for a single account? > >> It's doesn't have to be securely off, just off, so if it cannot be > >> done by meddling with group membership then doing something in a root > >> owned bash file that executes when the user logs in even that's fine > >> with me. (Uh - even I don't know much about what Linux/Gnome does when > >> a user logs in so I'll get to learn a bit also!) > >> > >> I've removed the user account from the audio, video and games groups. > >> When playing YouTube stuff sound is gone but the Flash video is still > >> there. Can I stop that from working. maybe by changing paths if > >> there's not an easier way to do it? > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Mark > > > > put all users except the one into one group. > > > > change ownership of flash and multimedia stuff to that group. > > change permissions, make flash and multimedia stuff only owner and group > > readable/executable. > > > > Everybody can use flash and multimediastuff except that user > > Makes sense. thanks. > > What happens after an emerge that updates the files? I have to go back > in and change owner:group on the files again? > > I'm sure you're right and this is probably the right way to do it. > > Thanks, > Mark > you could either add it to a cron job or run a little script that you run after every emerge.
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] In search of a "good" windowmanager
090912 pk wrote: > Philip Webb wrote: >> Can you have multiple desktops with Fvwm ? > Virtual desktops are part of the X window manager specification: > http://standards.freedesktop.org/wm-spec/wm-spec-latest.html#id2505816 > The application that handles the desktops are called a pager: > http://standards.freedesktop.org/wm-spec/wm-spec-latest.html#id2504750 > http://www.fvwm.org/documentation/manpages/stable/FvwmPager.php Thanks, I'll keep a note & have another look sometime. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] How would I disable Flash (oand other things) for a single account?
On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 11:41 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > On Samstag 12 September 2009, Mark Knecht wrote: >> Is it possible to shut off all multimedia stuff for a single account? >> It's doesn't have to be securely off, just off, so if it cannot be >> done by meddling with group membership then doing something in a root >> owned bash file that executes when the user logs in even that's fine >> with me. (Uh - even I don't know much about what Linux/Gnome does when >> a user logs in so I'll get to learn a bit also!) >> >> I've removed the user account from the audio, video and games groups. >> When playing YouTube stuff sound is gone but the Flash video is still >> there. Can I stop that from working. maybe by changing paths if >> there's not an easier way to do it? >> >> Thanks, >> Mark >> > > put all users except the one into one group. > > change ownership of flash and multimedia stuff to that group. > change permissions, make flash and multimedia stuff only owner and group > readable/executable. > > Everybody can use flash and multimediastuff except that user > > Makes sense. thanks. What happens after an emerge that updates the files? I have to go back in and change owner:group on the files again? I'm sure you're right and this is probably the right way to do it. Thanks, Mark
Re: [gentoo-user] How would I disable Flash (oand other things) for a single account?
On Samstag 12 September 2009, Mark Knecht wrote: > Is it possible to shut off all multimedia stuff for a single account? > It's doesn't have to be securely off, just off, so if it cannot be > done by meddling with group membership then doing something in a root > owned bash file that executes when the user logs in even that's fine > with me. (Uh - even I don't know much about what Linux/Gnome does when > a user logs in so I'll get to learn a bit also!) > > I've removed the user account from the audio, video and games groups. > When playing YouTube stuff sound is gone but the Flash video is still > there. Can I stop that from working. maybe by changing paths if > there's not an easier way to do it? > > Thanks, > Mark > put all users except the one into one group. change ownership of flash and multimedia stuff to that group. change permissions, make flash and multimedia stuff only owner and group readable/executable. Everybody can use flash and multimediastuff except that user
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] In search of a "good" windowmanager
Philip Webb wrote: > Can you have multiple desktops with Fvwm ? > I couldn't find anything about it in the manual > & dropped further investigation of Fvwm as a result. Virtual desktops are part of the X window manager specification: http://standards.freedesktop.org/wm-spec/wm-spec-latest.html#id2505816 The application that handles the desktops are called a pager: http://standards.freedesktop.org/wm-spec/wm-spec-latest.html#id2504750 http://www.fvwm.org/documentation/manpages/stable/FvwmPager.php Best regards Peter K
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] In search of a "good" windowmanager
> Hi, > > for a long time I used IceWM as my windowmanager since I dont > want to mimicry other OSses (...) or want session management. > One thing, which is a must-have of windowmanagers I want to use > is the possibility to control the windowmanager nearly completly > with the keyboard (hotkeys configurable) which does *not* > imply "uncontrollable by mouse" ;) > Furthermore I should not be a hana-bi or anything else eye-candy > like (nothing against hana-bi as hana-bi!) -- most of the time > I will use the windowmanager instead of only looking at it -- which > does not imply: "black anmd white ugly ascii thingy". > > Since IceWM seems to be gone into hibernation phase I am looking for > a replacement which should > -- be widely configurable via ascii files > -- be as far as possible controllable by keyboard > -- be also useable with the mouse > -- no eye-candy > -- not ugly > -- NOT tiling > -- FAST! > > I would like to hear from others what experiences they made with > what windowmanagers. > > Thank you very much in advance for any help! > Best regards and have a nice weekend! > Meino Cramer > Hi, i use x11-wm/openbox a really nice guide for configuration and tweaking can be found here : http://urukrama.wordpress.com/openbox-guide/
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] In search of a "good" windowmanager
On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 8:40 AM, wrote: > > Hi, > > for a long time I used IceWM as my windowmanager since I dont > want to mimicry other OSses (...) or want session management. > One thing, which is a must-have of windowmanagers I want to use > is the possibility to control the windowmanager nearly completly > with the keyboard (hotkeys configurable) which does *not* > imply "uncontrollable by mouse" ;) > Furthermore I should not be a hana-bi or anything else eye-candy > like (nothing against hana-bi as hana-bi!) -- most of the time > I will use the windowmanager instead of only looking at it -- which > does not imply: "black anmd white ugly ascii thingy". > > Since IceWM seems to be gone into hibernation phase I am looking for > a replacement which should > -- be widely configurable via ascii files > -- be as far as possible controllable by keyboard > -- be also useable with the mouse > -- no eye-candy > -- not ugly > -- NOT tiling > -- FAST! > > I would like to hear from others what experiences they made with > what windowmanagers. > > Thank you very much in advance for any help! > Best regards and have a nice weekend! > Meino Cramer try Openbox, tiny but modern
Re: [gentoo-user] How would I disable Flash (oand other things) for a single account?
On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 7:24 PM, Mark Knecht wrote: > Is it possible to shut off all multimedia stuff for a single account? > It's doesn't have to be securely off, just off, so if it cannot be > done by meddling with group membership then doing something in a root > owned bash file that executes when the user logs in even that's fine > with me. (Uh - even I don't know much about what Linux/Gnome does when > a user logs in so I'll get to learn a bit also!) > > I've removed the user account from the audio, video and games groups. > When playing YouTube stuff sound is gone but the Flash video is still > there. Can I stop that from working. maybe by changing paths if > there's not an easier way to do it? Is the user a willing participant? If so, I think you can use NoScript/FlashBlock to block that kind of stuff with success. If you don't want someone to play video, you'll not only need to block the browser plugins, but any software on the company capable of playing video (such as mplayer, xine, etc). Massimo's suggestion of altering the file modes to remove read access from that user sounds good. Maybe it would be easier with ACLs so you can specifically deny that one user access. But I've never used ACLs so I can't say for sure it would be easier. :)
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] In search of a "good" windowmanager
On Sat, 12 Sep 2009 17:38:28 +0200 meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: > One thing I really miss (hopefully only based on the lack of > experience with the configuration of fluxbox): > > In IceWM I can type ALT-TAB, which pops up the application menu (so far > I can use the key file in ~/.fluxbox to acchieve the same I think) and > type the first character of the application I want to start. > If it is the only application, it starts at once. > If it is not I either can hit , which starts the application > or press the character/key again to choose the second/third/and so on > application with that starting character. > > Or in other words: Starting applications does not involve the mouse. You can use "fbrun" util, or some more advanced launcher app like that, bet there should be more than one, and it doesn't seem to be a feat closely related to WM. -- Mike Kazantsev // fraggod.net signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] In search of a "good" windowmanager
090912 Lars Gustäbel wrote: > I've been using fvwm2 for years now ... > I have a graphical system monitor on my third desktop ... Can you have multiple desktops with Fvwm ? I couldn't find anything about it in the manual & dropped further investigation of Fvwm as a result. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] In search of a "good" windowmanager
090912 meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: > Philip Webb [09-09-12 16:50]: >> Fluxbox is your WM ! > Yes! > In IceWM I can type ALT-TAB, which pops up the application menu > Or in other words: Starting applications does not involve the mouse. > In/With fluxbox I again have to dive into submenus with the mouse You can navigate the menu via the arrow keys (up/down/right) or Return. I have the menu assigned to Alt-Space to be available anywhere. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] In search of a "good" windowmanager
Lars Gustäbel [09-09-12 18:52]: > On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 03:40:56PM +0200, meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: > > I would like to hear from others what experiences they made with > > what windowmanagers. > > Hi! > > I've been using fvwm2 (http://fvwm.org) for years now and am quite happy with > it. Although it may look old and strange at first (the default settings are > rather horrible IIRC), it is possible to configure every tiny detail of it > using config files. I am still sometimes amazed of what you can do with it. > The fvwm manpage has everything you need to know. > The complexity is also its main drawback: it took me several weeks to have > it the way I wanted it. fvwm is indeed rather complicated at first but that's > why it's so powerful. It is really flexible and you can still use all the > little gui tools out there from other window managers. One cool feature of > fvwm > is that you can assign different window styles based on the application, e.g. > I > have a graphical system monitor on my third desktop, that is started when I > log > in via .xinitrc and always stays on bottom, never gets the focus and does not > appear in the window list or on the task bar, so it does not interfere with > the > rest of the system at all. > Before using fvwm2 I used KDE which had too much stuff I didn't really need. > (However, I am still using the KDE kicker panel with fvwm, which I think is > quite funny.) When I looked for a new window manager I tried fluxbox for a > few > days, but it did not convince me. Then I tried fvwm and stayed with it. > > Regards, > > -- > Lars Gustäbel > l...@gustaebel.de > > Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little > temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. > (Benjamin Franklin) Hi Lars, thanks for your hint ! :) Will check that ! Best regards mcc -- Please don't send me any Word- or Powerpoint-Attachments unless it's absolutely neccessary. - Send simply Text. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html In a world without fences and walls nobody needs gates and windows.
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] In search of a "good" windowmanager
On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 03:40:56PM +0200, meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: > I would like to hear from others what experiences they made with > what windowmanagers. Hi! I've been using fvwm2 (http://fvwm.org) for years now and am quite happy with it. Although it may look old and strange at first (the default settings are rather horrible IIRC), it is possible to configure every tiny detail of it using config files. I am still sometimes amazed of what you can do with it. The fvwm manpage has everything you need to know. The complexity is also its main drawback: it took me several weeks to have it the way I wanted it. fvwm is indeed rather complicated at first but that's why it's so powerful. It is really flexible and you can still use all the little gui tools out there from other window managers. One cool feature of fvwm is that you can assign different window styles based on the application, e.g. I have a graphical system monitor on my third desktop, that is started when I log in via .xinitrc and always stays on bottom, never gets the focus and does not appear in the window list or on the task bar, so it does not interfere with the rest of the system at all. Before using fvwm2 I used KDE which had too much stuff I didn't really need. (However, I am still using the KDE kicker panel with fvwm, which I think is quite funny.) When I looked for a new window manager I tried fluxbox for a few days, but it did not convince me. Then I tried fvwm and stayed with it. Regards, -- Lars Gustäbel l...@gustaebel.de Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. (Benjamin Franklin)
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] In search of a "good" windowmanager
Philip Webb [09-09-12 16:50]: > 090912 meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: > > for a long time I used IceWM as my windowmanager > > since I dont want ... session management. a must-have of windowmanagers > > is to control nearly completly with the keyboard > > Since IceWM seems to be in hibernation I am looking for a replacement > > -- widely configurable via ascii files > > -- as far as possible controllable by keyboard > > -- also useable with the mouse > > -- no eye-candy > > -- not ugly > > -- NOT tiling > > -- FAST! > > Fluxbox is your WM ! > > -- > ,, > SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb > ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto > TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca > :) Yes!...SIR! :)) Just a few minutes ago I installed it and...well...it seems to fit my needs mostly,,,as far as I can see in such a short time... One thing I really miss (hopefully only based on the lack of experience with the configuration of fluxbox): In IceWM I can type ALT-TAB, which pops up the application menu (so far I can use the key file in ~/.fluxbox to acchieve the same I think) and type the first character of the application I want to start. If it is the only application, it starts at once. If it is not I either can hit , which starts the application or press the character/key again to choose the second/third/and so on application with that starting character. Or in other words: Starting applications does not involve the mouse. In/With fluxbox I again have to dive into submenus with the mouse to find what I want and I was urged to /click/ (oh what a shame! ;O) X-} ) on something! The last time I did /such a thing/ I was young, unexperienced and full of dreams...now I am older and wiser and forbid myself to use things like.miceor even to /CLICK/ on someting (very big winkey smileys included!) Is it possible to mimicry that IceWM feature? Keep hacking! Your flux is boxing! mcc -- Please don't send me any Word- or Powerpoint-Attachments unless it's absolutely neccessary. - Send simply Text. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html In a world without fences and walls nobody needs gates and windows.
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] In search of a "good" windowmanager
090912 meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: > for a long time I used IceWM as my windowmanager > since I dont want ... session management. a must-have of windowmanagers > is to control nearly completly with the keyboard > Since IceWM seems to be in hibernation I am looking for a replacement > -- widely configurable via ascii files > -- as far as possible controllable by keyboard > -- also useable with the mouse > -- no eye-candy > -- not ugly > -- NOT tiling > -- FAST! Fluxbox is your WM ! -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] In search of a "good" windowmanager
Hi, Thank you for your hint. I will try it ! :) Have a nice sunday! Meino Cramer commo_p...@yahoo.com [09-09-12 15:45]: > Xfce4 or fluxbox with some tweaking > --Original Message-- > From: meino.cra...@gmx.de > To: Gentoo > ReplyTo: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org > Subject: [gentoo-user] [OT] In search of a "good" windowmanager > Sent: Sep 12, 2009 8:40 AM > > > Hi, > > for a long time I used IceWM as my windowmanager since I dont > want to mimicry other OSses (...) or want session management. > One thing, which is a must-have of windowmanagers I want to use > is the possibility to control the windowmanager nearly completly > with the keyboard (hotkeys configurable) which does *not* > imply "uncontrollable by mouse" ;) > Furthermore I should not be a hana-bi or anything else eye-candy > like (nothing against hana-bi as hana-bi!) -- most of the time > I will use the windowmanager instead of only looking at it -- which > does not imply: "black anmd white ugly ascii thingy". > > Since IceWM seems to be gone into hibernation phase I am looking for > a replacement which should > -- be widely configurable via ascii files > -- be as far as possible controllable by keyboard > -- be also useable with the mouse > -- no eye-candy > -- not ugly > -- NOT tiling > -- FAST! > > I would like to hear from others what experiences they made with > what windowmanagers. > > Thank you very much in advance for any help! > Best regards and have a nice weekend! > Meino Cramer > > > > > -- > Please don't send me any Word- or Powerpoint-Attachments > unless it's absolutely neccessary. - Send simply Text. > See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html > In a world without fences and walls nobody needs gates and windows. > > > > > Sent from my BlackBerry Smartphone provided by Alltel -- Please don't send me any Word- or Powerpoint-Attachments unless it's absolutely neccessary. - Send simply Text. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html In a world without fences and walls nobody needs gates and windows.
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] In search of a "good" windowmanager
Xfce4 or fluxbox with some tweaking --Original Message-- From: meino.cra...@gmx.de To: Gentoo ReplyTo: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: [gentoo-user] [OT] In search of a "good" windowmanager Sent: Sep 12, 2009 8:40 AM Hi, for a long time I used IceWM as my windowmanager since I dont want to mimicry other OSses (...) or want session management. One thing, which is a must-have of windowmanagers I want to use is the possibility to control the windowmanager nearly completly with the keyboard (hotkeys configurable) which does *not* imply "uncontrollable by mouse" ;) Furthermore I should not be a hana-bi or anything else eye-candy like (nothing against hana-bi as hana-bi!) -- most of the time I will use the windowmanager instead of only looking at it -- which does not imply: "black anmd white ugly ascii thingy". Since IceWM seems to be gone into hibernation phase I am looking for a replacement which should -- be widely configurable via ascii files -- be as far as possible controllable by keyboard -- be also useable with the mouse -- no eye-candy -- not ugly -- NOT tiling -- FAST! I would like to hear from others what experiences they made with what windowmanagers. Thank you very much in advance for any help! Best regards and have a nice weekend! Meino Cramer -- Please don't send me any Word- or Powerpoint-Attachments unless it's absolutely neccessary. - Send simply Text. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html In a world without fences and walls nobody needs gates and windows. Sent from my BlackBerry Smartphone provided by Alltel
[gentoo-user] [OT] In search of a "good" windowmanager
Hi, for a long time I used IceWM as my windowmanager since I dont want to mimicry other OSses (...) or want session management. One thing, which is a must-have of windowmanagers I want to use is the possibility to control the windowmanager nearly completly with the keyboard (hotkeys configurable) which does *not* imply "uncontrollable by mouse" ;) Furthermore I should not be a hana-bi or anything else eye-candy like (nothing against hana-bi as hana-bi!) -- most of the time I will use the windowmanager instead of only looking at it -- which does not imply: "black anmd white ugly ascii thingy". Since IceWM seems to be gone into hibernation phase I am looking for a replacement which should -- be widely configurable via ascii files -- be as far as possible controllable by keyboard -- be also useable with the mouse -- no eye-candy -- not ugly -- NOT tiling -- FAST! I would like to hear from others what experiences they made with what windowmanagers. Thank you very much in advance for any help! Best regards and have a nice weekend! Meino Cramer -- Please don't send me any Word- or Powerpoint-Attachments unless it's absolutely neccessary. - Send simply Text. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html In a world without fences and walls nobody needs gates and windows.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: udev and init.d. Should it be running now?
Dale wrote: > Philip Webb wrote: > >> 090910 Dale wrote: >> >> >>> I noticed I now have a udev in /etc/init.d/. >>> I checked, it is not running but udevd is not running either: >>> r...@smoker / # /etc/init.d/udev status >>> * status: stopped >>>r...@smoker / # ps aux | grep udev >>> root 30451 0.0 0.0 1888 504 pts/0 R+ 16:04 0:00 grep --colour=auto udev >>> >>> >> Using Baselayout 1.12.11.1 & Udev 141 , I get : >> >> root:508 default> ps aux | grep udev >> root 659 0.0 0.0 12524 936 ? S> >> >> > > So it should be running all the time then but for some reason it wasn't > on mine. Hmmm. I'm going to reboot sometime soon and I'll check to see > if it is running then. I hope this was just a fluke of some kind. > > Thanks for all the help. I'll report back if it doesn't start as it should. > > Dale > > :-) :-) > > I rebooted, into a new kernel I made a few days ago, and udev is running without me having to start it or anything. I dunno what the heck happened. It is running now so I guess it was a fluke of some kind. Thanks for the help. I'm off to research building a Phenom II x4 puter. o_O Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] 2.6.30 and reiserfs?
bottom:- On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 10:46:56AM +, Konstantinos Agouros wrote: > Hi, > > I am using reiserfs just for my squid-cache nevertheless after I booted > 2.6.30-r4 on an amd64 system, I couldn't create any files on that > partition. Is there a way to convert the partition to work or do I really > have to change filesystems? > I'm currently using ReiserFS (along with 2.6.30-r6 but I've also used 2.6.30-r4) for my boot partition and I'm able to write in it, without any kind of problem. Could it be a mountpoint problem? -- _ * Massimo Gengarelli ~0 (_| * Computer Science student @ http://www.unibo.it |(_~|^~~| * http://massitm.sohead.org <-- my personal, outdated website TT/_ T"T * With your bare hands?!?
Re: [gentoo-user] 2.6.30 and reiserfs?
Am Samstag 12 September 2009 12:46:56 schrieb Konstantinos Agouros: > I am using reiserfs just for my squid-cache nevertheless after I booted > 2.6.30-r4 on an amd64 system, I couldn't create any files on that > partition. Is there a way to convert the partition to work or do I really > have to change filesystems? What does fsck say? Bye... Dirk
[gentoo-user] 2.6.30 and reiserfs?
Hi, I am using reiserfs just for my squid-cache nevertheless after I booted 2.6.30-r4 on an amd64 system, I couldn't create any files on that partition. Is there a way to convert the partition to work or do I really have to change filesystems? Regards, Konstantin -- Dipl-Inf. Konstantin Agouros aka Elwood Blues. Internet: elw...@agouros.de Otkerstr. 28, 81547 Muenchen, Germany. Tel +49 89 69370185 "Captain, this ship will not survive the forming of the cosmos." B'Elana Torres
Re: [gentoo-user] port bandwidth discovery
On Fri, 2009-09-11 at 18:03 +, James wrote: > Hello, > > > Currently, I manage gentoo system that have a variety of 10 and 100 MB/s > ethernet cards. I use lshw to distinguish the max ethernet port speed: > > For example: > > network:0 DISABLED > description: Ethernet interface > > product: RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ > > vendor: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. > > physical id: 9 > > bus info: p...@:02:09.0 > > logical name: eth1 > > version: 10 > > serial: 00:48:54:62:64:fd > > size: 10MB/s > > capacity: 100MB/s > > width: 32 bits > > clock: 33MHz > > capabilities: pm bus_master cap_list ethernet physical tp mii > 10bt 10bt-fd 100bt 100bt-fd autonegotiation > > > configuration: autonegotiation=on broadcast=yes driver=8139too > driverversion=0.9.28 duplex=half latency=32 link=no maxlatency=64 mingnt=32 > module=8139too multicast=yes port=MII speed=10MB/s > > >*-storage UNCLAIMED > > description: Mass storage controller > > product: PCI0680 Ultra ATA-133 Host Controller > > vendor: Silicon Image, Inc. > > physical id: a > > bus info: p...@:02:0a.0 > > version: 02 > > width: 32 bits > > clock: 33MHz > > capabilities: storage pm bus_master cap_list > > configuration: latency=32 > >*-network:1 > > description: Ethernet interface > > product: 3c450 HomePNA [Tornado] > > vendor: 3Com Corporation > > physical id: b > > bus info: p...@:02:0b.0 > > logical name: eth0 > > version: 30 > > serial: 00:50:da:61:31:1c > > size: 100MB/s > > capacity: 100MB/s > > width: 32 bits > > clock: 33MHz > > capabilities: pm bus_master cap_list ethernet physical tp mii > 10bt 10bt-fd 100bt 100bt-fd autonegotiation > > > configuration: autonegotiation=on broadcast=yes driver=3c59x > duplex=full ip=192.168.2.17 latency=32 link=yes maxlatency=10 mingnt=10 > module=3c59x multicast=yes port=MII speed=100MB/s > > > > Is this reliable? What if a 10/100 card is plugged into a 10MB/s hub? > > > Is there other software to discern the hardware capability and test > actual throughput? > > How comfortable are you with the results you get? (reliable?) > > > curiously, > James Some NICs work with mii-tool, others with ethtool. The latter is generally the more modern one. Daniel -- PGP key @ http://pgpkeys.pca.dfn.de/pks/lookup?search=0xBB9D4887&op=get # gpg --recv-keys --keyserver hkp://subkeys.pgp.net 0xBB9D4887 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [gentoo-user] How would I disable Flash (oand other things) for a single account?
Probably it's not the best solution (and it's easily revertable), but you may try disabling Javascript in Firefox (or whatever browser your user will use). Another solution (but I don't think it will work) is to chmod /opt/netscape/plugins/libflashplayer.so to -rwxr-x--- (0750) and then change it's ownerships to root:video (or another group you may want to create). On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 05:24:23PM -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: > Is it possible to shut off all multimedia stuff for a single account? > It's doesn't have to be securely off, just off, so if it cannot be > done by meddling with group membership then doing something in a root > owned bash file that executes when the user logs in even that's fine > with me. (Uh - even I don't know much about what Linux/Gnome does when > a user logs in so I'll get to learn a bit also!) > -- _ * Massimo Gengarelli ~0 (_| * Computer Science student @ http://www.unibo.it |(_~|^~~| * http://massitm.sohead.org <-- my personal, outdated website TT/_ T"T * Kiss your keyboard goodbye!
