Re: [gentoo-user] Re: sys-libs/db dev-lang/php dependency problem...
On Wednesday 04 November 2009 09:54:07 Nicolas Sebrecht wrote: On Sat, Oct 03, 2009 at 06:56:17PM +0200, Jarry wrote: # emerge --depclean ... * In order to avoid breakage of link level dependencies, one or more * packages will not be removed. This can be solved by rebuilding the * packages that pulled them in. * * sys-libs/db-4.6.21_p4 pulled in by: * dev-lang/php-5.2.10 * depclean says it won't clean the db package because of a php dependency. I _guess_ it comes from the berkdb use flag of php. I repeated it a few times, still the same. So what can I do more to fix it? I you're sure you don't need db, you could try to remove it by hand and see if 'emerge php' want reinstall it. I think you should use quickpkg or demerge before everything else. I have a similar recurring problem and simply rebuilding packages does not help. In my case it's caused by a package linking to a library which is not in DEPEND. (Yes, this has broken policy on how to do these things). The result is that the portage dependency tree says the library can be removed, but ldd says otherwise. Sometimes you have to put the library in world If you run ldd on the php binaries, what do you can with regard to db? db is also slotted, what does eix -e db say? -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
[gentoo-user] Re: debug and regular library
On Mon, Oct 05, 2009 at 01:56:29PM +0200, Krzysztof Poc wrote: I would like to install the debugged version of glibc. Compiled with symbols and minimal optimization. I don't want it to be the default libc in my system. I want to link it only with some programs. I'm familiar with the following document: http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/qa/backtraces.xml?style=printable How can I solve my problem. What I would do is to install it by hand somewhere in my home (or create a personal ebuild). You would have to manually set the good path to this dependency when compiling those programs (or again write your own ebuilds). I don't think that portage has any feature to allow a plainly automagically support for what you want. You also may want to look for how to write ports of a library (don't know if such a documentation exists). -- Nicolas Sebrecht
[gentoo-user] Re: vsftpd conf ...still..:)
On Fri, Oct 09, 2009 at 04:44:17PM +0200, laurent wrote: xferlog_file=/home/var/log/vsftpd/vsftpd.log Looking at the content of this file would be a good start ! -- Nicolas Sebrecht
Re: [gentoo-user] portage sends faulty emails
On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 22:23:32 -0700, Kevin O'Gorman wrote: But: there is no /etc/ssmtp directory, let alone a config file. That could explain a lot, but I need some help fixing it. emerge --oneshot --noconfmem ssmtp -- Neil Bothwick Do I BELIEVE in the Bible?! HELL man, I've SEEN one!!! signature.asc Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-user] mounting /var prior to invocation of /sbin/rc
Hi. I've a setup where /var resides on a separate partition than root. After boot, I see that /var is created on root and some files are written to it. E.G, the following folders are created: /var/lib/init.d/snapshot /var/lib/init.d/options /var/lib/init.d/daemons /var/lib/init.d/started /var/lib/init.d/starting /var/lib/init.d/inactive /var/lib/init.d/wasinactive /var/lib/init.d/stopping /var/lib/init.d/exclusive /var/lib/init.d/exitcodes /var/lib/init.d/scheduled /var/lib/init.d/coldplugged /var/lib/init.d/softscripts I'm suspecting that /sbin/rc is writing to /var prior to the mounting of the respective partition. Am I correct? Is there some commonly-used place in gentoo for specifying partitions that have to be mounted prior to writing a/m files? 10x, Amit
[gentoo-user] Re: syslog-ng: v2-v3 config issue...
Hi Jarry, I work for BalaBit, the developer of syslog-ng, and am the maintainer of the syslog-ng docs. You are right, the program-override option is missing from the documentation of the file source, but it should work anyway. We did a quick test and it was working on our Ubuntu machines (tested with syslog-ng 3.02a), both on kernel messages and also on custom files containing log messages. Which version of syslog-ng are you running? Are the messages in the file in correct syslog format, or do they have some custom format? If the problem persists, could you open a ticket in the syslog-ng bugzilla at https://bugzilla.balabit.com/? Regards, Robert Fekete Hi, as syslog-ng 3.0.x became stable, all my servers updated to it from 2.1.4, but I have a problem with configuration: In 2.x I used log_prefix() option for file() source. When I tried to start syslog-ng 3.x it complained about log_prefix() being deprecated, and said I have to use program_override() instead. I modified syslog-ng.conf, but it does not work at all. It simply acts as if there was no program_override() option in file() source. I checked syslog-ng-v3.0-guide-admin-en.pdf and found this: log_prefix() really *is* deprecated, but it seems to me that program_override() was not implemented in file() source driver at all! At least, I did not find it as valid option for file() source driver in the chapter 8 Reference (in syslog-ng admin guide)... How can I fix this? I definitelly need that log_prefix() (or program_override()) option as I use it later for filtering of non-standard log messages on my log-server... Jarry
[gentoo-user] hal, how to chose between nvidia and nv
Hi all, I have no xorg.conf, so hal does all the conf stuff for me. My problem (I think) is that I have both modules in my sytem: [I] x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers $ grep nv /etc/make.conf VIDEO_CARDS=vesa nvidia and seems that Xorg tries some drivers and finally loads nv driver: from less /var/log/Xorg.0.log, some relevant info: [..] (--) PCI:*(0:1:0:0) 10de:0221:: nVidia Corporation NV44A [GeForce 6200] rev 161, Mem [...] (II) LoadModule: glx (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions//libglx.so (II) Module glx: vendor=NVIDIA Corporation compiled for 4.0.2, module version = 1.0.0 Module class: X.Org Server Extension (II) NVIDIA GLX Module 180.60 Tue May 12 12:42:34 PDT 2009 [...] (II) LoadModule: dri (WW) Warning, couldn't open module dri (II) UnloadModule: dri (EE) Failed to load module dri (module does not exist, 0) (II) LoadModule: dri2 (WW) Warning, couldn't open module dri2 (II) UnloadModule: dri2 (EE) Failed to load module dri2 (module does not exist, 0) (II) LoadModule: nv (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers//nv_drv.so (II) Module nv: vendor=X.Org Foundation compiled for 1.6.3.901, module version = 2.1.14 Module class: X.Org Video Driver ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 5.0 (II) LoadModule: vesa (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers//vesa_drv.so (II) Module vesa: vendor=X.Org Foundation compiled for 1.6.3.901, module version = 2.2.1 Module class: X.Org Video Driver ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 5.0 (II) LoadModule: fbdev (WW) Warning, couldn't open module fbdev (II) UnloadModule: fbdev (EE) Failed to load module fbdev (module does not exist, 0) (II) NV: driver for NVIDIA chipsets: RIVA 128, RIVA TNT, RIVA TNT2, [...] (II) NV(0): Initializing int10 (II) NV(0): Primary V_BIOS segment is: 0xc000 (--) NV(0): Chipset: GeForce 6200 (II) NV(0): Creating default Display subsection in Screen section Builtin Default nv Screen 0 for depth/fbbpp 24/32 (==) NV(0): Depth 24, (--) framebuffer bpp 32 (==) NV(0): RGB weight 888 (==) NV(0): Default visual is TrueColor [...] (EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (Compatible NVIDIA X driver not found) [...] from here all refers to NV. Am Iworng or my xorg uses nv driver? if so, how may I force hal to use nvidia driver? what about dri module? why is it failling to load it? TIA, -- Arnau Bria http://blog.emergetux.net Bombing for peace is like fucking for virginity
[gentoo-user] emerge --depclean does not remove due to link level dependencies
Hi there! Again, this is just something I am curious about, not a real problem. emerge -p --depclean gives me this output: [...] Calculating dependencies... done! Checking for lib consumers... Assigning files to packages... * In order to avoid breakage of link level dependencies, one or more * packages will not be removed. This can be solved by rebuilding the * packages that pulled them in. * * dev-libs/elfutils-0.131-r2 pulled in by: * dev-util/ddd-3.3.12-r1 needs libelf.so.1 [...] And some more of that involving media-libs/libcddb-1.3.2, media- sound/esound-0.2.41, sys-libs/db-4.5.20_p2-r1 and sys-libs/db-4.6.21_p4. Okay, ddd needs libelf.so.1, provided by elfutils. Still the same when I rebuild ddd. So, why does this output appear at all? ddd needs libelf.so.1, this is in elfutils, so of course elfutils is needed just like any other package. Oh, wait I think I got it. emerge -pe ddd dos NOT list elfutils. So is this a bug in the ddd ebuild, not having elfutils as a dependency? And the same would be true for the other packages? Should I file some bugs? H. Now I got it. ddd does indeed not need elfutils. But it uses it when it is available. After removing elfutils, ddd still builds. Starting the ddd configure script in by hand with the --help option does not show options like --without-elf, so it's not the ebuild's fault that ddd makes use of the libelf library when it is available. Still, this is ugly I think. Another part of the emerge --depclean output is: * media-sound/esound-0.2.41 pulled in by: * app-office/gnucash-2.2.9-r1 needs libesd.so.0 * gnome-extra/gnome-media-2.26.0-r1 needs libesd.so.0 * gnome-extra/nautilus-cd-burner-2.24.0 needs libesd.so.0 * gnome-extra/yelp-2.26.0 needs libesd.so.0 * media-libs/smpeg-0.4.4-r9 needs libesd.so.0 * media-sound/amarok-1.4.10_p20090130-r3 needs libesd.so.0 * media-sound/rhythmbox-0.11.6-r1 needs libesd.so.0 * media-sound/synaesthesia-2.4 needs libesd.so.0 * media-video/transcode-1.0.7 needs libesd.so.0 I do not have esd in my USE flags. Looks like all those packages use it anyway when it is available. Should some bugs be filed? And if so, should they go: - To the ebuild maintainers? But they probably cannot do much about it, apart from patching the package's autoconf stuff. - To upstream? Well, would they consider this this a bug at all, or a mere problem with Gentoo's special build system, that wants to know all the dependencies? - To the doc team? Suggesting that the emerge --depclean output should change from: * In order to avoid breakage of link level dependencies, one or more * packages will not be removed. This can be solved by rebuilding the * packages that pulled them in. to something like: * In order to avoid breakage of link level dependencies, one or more * packages will not be removed. If you like them to be removed, do so * manually, and run revdep-rebuild afterwards to rebuild the packages * without the libraries. We are sorry, this is an upstream problem with * bad configure files and we cannot do much about it. Use quickpkg * before removing the packages, so if anything breaks you can get them * back quickly. Good luck. Wonko
Re: [gentoo-user] emerge --depclean does not remove due to link level dependencies
Alex Schuster schrieb: Hi there! [snip] Still, this is ugly I think. Another part of the emerge --depclean output is: * media-sound/esound-0.2.41 pulled in by: * app-office/gnucash-2.2.9-r1 needs libesd.so.0 * gnome-extra/gnome-media-2.26.0-r1 needs libesd.so.0 * gnome-extra/nautilus-cd-burner-2.24.0 needs libesd.so.0 * gnome-extra/yelp-2.26.0 needs libesd.so.0 * media-libs/smpeg-0.4.4-r9 needs libesd.so.0 * media-sound/amarok-1.4.10_p20090130-r3 needs libesd.so.0 * media-sound/rhythmbox-0.11.6-r1 needs libesd.so.0 * media-sound/synaesthesia-2.4 needs libesd.so.0 * media-video/transcode-1.0.7 needs libesd.so.0 I do not have esd in my USE flags. Looks like all those packages use it anyway when it is available. [snip] Hi, esd might be in there because of the profile you use. Did you change your profile lately? You can add -esd to make.conf and see what happens. kh
Re: [gentoo-user] sys-libs/db dev-lang/php dependency problem...
Jarry writes: # emerge --depclean [...] * In order to avoid breakage of link level dependencies, one or more * packages will not be removed. This can be solved by rebuilding the * packages that pulled them in. * * sys-libs/db-4.6.21_p4 pulled in by: * dev-lang/php-5.2.10 * [...] Then I tried emerge --oneshot dev-lang/php (once in the past I had such a problem and this helped) and after that I repeated emerge --depclean, again with the same output-message. I repeated it a few times, still the same. So what can I do more to fix it? I just posted a message (emerge --depclean does not remove due to link level dependencies) due to similar issues. My guess is that php links to some sys-libs/db library, even if db is not a dependency to php. You can try to remove db (use quickpkg before), and rebuild php. Wonko
[gentoo-user] What's the latest install-from-USB-key procedure?
What's the latest install-from-USB-key procedure? The stuff I've found on Google and the Gentoo wiki references obsolete versions of Gentoo, and I don't know if it would work. I've got an Acer Aspire One, with no CD/DVD. -- Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org
Re: [gentoo-user] hal, how to chose between nvidia and nv
On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 11:08:26 +0100, Arnau Bria ar...@emergetux.net wrote: Hi all, I have no xorg.conf, so hal does all the conf stuff for me. My problem (I think) is that I have both modules in my sytem: [I] x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers $ grep nv /etc/make.conf VIDEO_CARDS=vesa nvidia and seems that Xorg tries some drivers and finally loads nv driver: from less /var/log/Xorg.0.log, some relevant info: [..] (--) PCI:*(0:1:0:0) 10de:0221:: nVidia Corporation NV44A [GeForce 6200] rev 161, Mem [...] (II) LoadModule: glx (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions//libglx.so (II) Module glx: vendor=NVIDIA Corporation compiled for 4.0.2, module version = 1.0.0 Module class: X.Org Server Extension (II) NVIDIA GLX Module 180.60 Tue May 12 12:42:34 PDT 2009 [...] (II) LoadModule: dri (WW) Warning, couldn't open module dri (II) UnloadModule: dri (EE) Failed to load module dri (module does not exist, 0) (II) LoadModule: dri2 (WW) Warning, couldn't open module dri2 (II) UnloadModule: dri2 (EE) Failed to load module dri2 (module does not exist, 0) (II) LoadModule: nv (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers//nv_drv.so (II) Module nv: vendor=X.Org Foundation compiled for 1.6.3.901, module version = 2.1.14 Module class: X.Org Video Driver ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 5.0 (II) LoadModule: vesa (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers//vesa_drv.so (II) Module vesa: vendor=X.Org Foundation compiled for 1.6.3.901, module version = 2.2.1 Module class: X.Org Video Driver ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 5.0 (II) LoadModule: fbdev (WW) Warning, couldn't open module fbdev (II) UnloadModule: fbdev (EE) Failed to load module fbdev (module does not exist, 0) (II) NV: driver for NVIDIA chipsets: RIVA 128, RIVA TNT, RIVA TNT2, [...] (II) NV(0): Initializing int10 (II) NV(0): Primary V_BIOS segment is: 0xc000 (--) NV(0): Chipset: GeForce 6200 (II) NV(0): Creating default Display subsection in Screen section Builtin Default nv Screen 0 for depth/fbbpp 24/32 (==) NV(0): Depth 24, (--) framebuffer bpp 32 (==) NV(0): RGB weight 888 (==) NV(0): Default visual is TrueColor [...] (EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (Compatible NVIDIA X driver not found) [...] from here all refers to NV. Am Iworng or my xorg uses nv driver? if so, how may I force hal to use nvidia driver? what about dri module? why is it failling to load it? This is only one of the reasons (only one of them) why hal in X is as useless as it can get: if you use any driver that's not provided by the Xorg guys then you still need an xorg.conf. About dri, I don't think nv supports dri at all. It certainly doesn't do any 3d. -- Jesús Guerrero
Re: [gentoo-user] What's the latest install-from-USB-key procedure?
waltd...@waltdnes.org schrieb: What's the latest install-from-USB-key procedure? The stuff I've found on Google and the Gentoo wiki references obsolete versions of Gentoo, and I don't know if it would work. I've got an Acer Aspire One, with no CD/DVD. Hi, This might be what you have been looking for. http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/liveusb.xml kh
Re: [gentoo-user] hal, how to chose between nvidia and nv
On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 11:52:45 +0100, =?UTF-8?Q?Jes=C3=BAs_Guerrero?= wrote: On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 11:08:26 +0100, Arnau Bria ar...@emergetux.net wrote: Am Iworng or my xorg uses nv driver? if so, how may I force hal to use nvidia driver? what about dri module? why is it failling to load it? This is only one of the reasons (only one of them) why hal in X is as useless as it can get: if you use any driver that's not provided by the Xorg guys then you still need an xorg.conf. True, but it doesn't need much in it. I'm not generally a hal apologist, but I'm quite happy with this as my entire xorg.conf: Section Device Identifier Device0 Driver nvidia VendorName NVIDIA Corporation EndSection -- Peter Haworth p...@edison.ioppublishing.com It's about time we got some GUI sugar to add to the bitter black hotness of our terminal windows. I like my terminals like my women: VT100 compatible with Tektronix extensions -- NTK 2004-09-17 This email (and attachments) are confidential and intended for the addressee(s) only. If you are not the intended recipient please notify the sender, delete any copies and do not take action in reliance on it. Any views expressed are the author's and do not represent those of IOP, except where specifically stated. IOP takes reasonable precautions to protect against viruses but accepts no responsibility for loss or damage arising from virus infection. For the protection of IOP's systems and staff emails are scanned automatically.” Institute of Physics Registered in England under Registration No 293851 Registered Office: 76/78 Portland Place, London W1B 1NT
[gentoo-user] Re: mounting /var prior to invocation of /sbin/rc [CANCELLED]
I take it back. those files were leftover on the root partition. Amit Amit Dor-Shifer wrote: Hi. I've a setup where /var resides on a separate partition than root. After boot, I see that /var is created on root and some files are written to it. E.G, the following folders are created: /var/lib/init.d/snapshot /var/lib/init.d/options /var/lib/init.d/daemons /var/lib/init.d/started /var/lib/init.d/starting /var/lib/init.d/inactive /var/lib/init.d/wasinactive /var/lib/init.d/stopping /var/lib/init.d/exclusive /var/lib/init.d/exitcodes /var/lib/init.d/scheduled /var/lib/init.d/coldplugged /var/lib/init.d/softscripts I'm suspecting that /sbin/rc is writing to /var prior to the mounting of the respective partition. Am I correct? Is there some commonly-used place in gentoo for specifying partitions that have to be mounted prior to writing a/m files? 10x, Amit
Re: [gentoo-user] What's the latest install-from-USB-key procedure?
On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 05:49:12 -0500, waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote: What's the latest install-from-USB-key procedure? Put System Rescue CD on a USB stick, boot from it, follow the handbook. -- Neil Bothwick RISC: Reduced Into Silly Code signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] What's the latest install-from-USB-key procedure?
091104 waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote: What's the latest install-from-USB-key procedure ? The stuff I've found on Google and the Gentoo wiki references obsolete versions of Gentoo and I don't know if it would work. I've got an Acer Aspire One with no CD/DVD. I'm in the midst of doing it on an ASUS 1005HA without an I/net connection; I've got as far as booting with a defective kernel from Lilo should have it working tomorrow (the SCSI configuration is wrong). 'unetbootin' is the best way to write what you need on the USB stick; System Rescue is good, but lacks ADSL support; the Gentoo Minimal Install ISO has worked well for me. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] What's the latest install-from-USB-key procedure?
On Wed, Nov 04, 2009 at 11:57:15AM +0100, KH wrote This might be what you have been looking for. http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/liveusb.xml That was one of the items I saw. A couple of questions... 1) Will the old 2007.0 ISO still work? 2) Is it *REALLY* necessary to download a 700 meg (*COMPRESSED*) full- blown system with pointy-clicky-touchie-feelie-oowee-GUI to do a commandline install that could normally be done by a minimal install image a fraction of that size? What I'd like to do is put the minimal install image on a USB key and boot from that. -- Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: mythfrontend problems: no more keyboard, no window borders
walt schrieb: On 11/03/2009 12:31 PM, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote: walt schrieb: Perhaps you have something left over from your gnome session that doesn't stop when it should. I see that quite often. hmm, any idea how to find that? I use ps ax to see the running processes. Sometimes I see apps obviously related to gnome still running after I exit X. I have no idea why, but if I plan to restart X I kill those processes first. In your case I would do ps ax pre after a reboot, and then after logging out of X do ps ax post, and then compare 'pre' to 'post' to see what has changed. Will try something like that asap ... drown in work right now :-) S
Re: [gentoo-user] emerge --depclean does not remove due to link level dependencies
2009/11/4 Alex Schuster wo...@wonkology.org: Hi there! Again, this is just something I am curious about, not a real problem. emerge -p --depclean gives me this output: [...] Calculating dependencies... done! Checking for lib consumers... Assigning files to packages... * In order to avoid breakage of link level dependencies, one or more * packages will not be removed. This can be solved by rebuilding the * packages that pulled them in. * * dev-libs/elfutils-0.131-r2 pulled in by: * dev-util/ddd-3.3.12-r1 needs libelf.so.1 Newer versions of portage print this message if a package is about to be removed because there is no ebuild dependency from all other installed packages, but it is still needed because other packages link to it automagically. This seems to be the case here, ddd automagically links to elfutils depending on whether it is available or not, instead of being controlled by the ebuild via use flag. So ddd links against elfutils and portage does not know about it. In this case the suggestion of rebuilding the packages does not work. With older portage versions elfutils is removed and the dependency is ignored. Revdep-rebuild will complain about ddd linking against elfutils which is not available anymore and then rebuild ddd which will result in ddd not linking against elfutils anymore. [...] And some more of that involving media-libs/libcddb-1.3.2, media- sound/esound-0.2.41, sys-libs/db-4.5.20_p2-r1 and sys-libs/db-4.6.21_p4. Okay, ddd needs libelf.so.1, provided by elfutils. Still the same when I rebuild ddd. So, why does this output appear at all? ddd needs libelf.so.1, this is in elfutils, so of course elfutils is needed just like any other package. Oh, wait I think I got it. emerge -pe ddd dos NOT list elfutils. So is this a bug in the ddd ebuild, not having elfutils as a dependency? And the same would be true for the other packages? Should I file some bugs? H. Now I got it. ddd does indeed not need elfutils. But it uses it when it is available. After removing elfutils, ddd still builds. Starting the ddd configure script in by hand with the --help option does not show options like --without-elf, so it's not the ebuild's fault that ddd makes use of the libelf library when it is available. [snip] Should some bugs be filed? And if so, should they go: - To the ebuild maintainers? But they probably cannot do much about it, apart from patching the package's autoconf stuff. - To upstream? Well, would they consider this this a bug at all, or a mere problem with Gentoo's special build system, that wants to know all the dependencies? If ddd really links automagically against elfutils, you should file a Gentoo bug about ddd which needs it's autotools fixed. To save the Gentoo developers some time you can also file an upstream bug and add a reference to it in the Gentoo bug report. If upstream cares about automagic dependencies is another story, in Gentoo it is considered a bug. -- Daniel Pielmeier
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: mythfrontend problems: no more keyboard, no window borders
Stefan G. Weichinger wrote: walt schrieb: On 11/03/2009 12:31 PM, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote: walt schrieb: Perhaps you have something left over from your gnome session that doesn't stop when it should. I see that quite often. hmm, any idea how to find that? I use ps ax to see the running processes. Sometimes I see apps obviously related to gnome still running after I exit X. I have no idea why, but if I plan to restart X I kill those processes first. In your case I would do ps ax pre after a reboot, and then after logging out of X do ps ax post, and then compare 'pre' to 'post' to see what has changed. Will try something like that asap ... drown in work right now :-) S Unrelated in a way but still, I notice that when I go to single user mode that a lot of KDE processes are still running. Sometimes there is a half dozen or so, sometimes a little more or less. I always run ps aux | less and page my way through them and use kill to get rid of them. I have always been curious as to why programs don't kell their own processes and clean up after themselves better? This may not just gnome since I use KDE. Dale :-) :-)
[gentoo-user] New KDE4 option: night of the week for strip club attendance WTF?
With KDE4 I suddenly have bloody sexist stuff on my desktop!!! When I configure country/region and language, there is an option for Night of the week for strip club attendance: It even seems to have a weekday selected by default! Has KDE been taken over by the sex industry? (Or was it Gentoo that sneaked it in?). It was certainly not there in KDE3 and I would never install weirdo stuff like Gnaughty, so what the hell is that option for? Will it set a special wallpaper that day? And it is not even explained in the manual! That makes it even more suspicious. The last part of the manual section says Till sist finns en kombinationsruta som heter Första dag i veckan, som låter dig välja vilken dag som är den första i veckan i ditt land. (Which means: Finally there is a combobox called First day of week, that lets you chose which day is first in the week in your country.) So there should not exist any further options after First day of week.
Re: [gentoo-user] What's the latest install-from-USB-key procedure?
1) Will the old 2007.0 ISO still work? I'm not sure, but probably yes. but it's better if you download the latest ISO ;) 2) Is it *REALLY* necessary to download a 700 meg (*COMPRESSED*) full- blown system with pointy-clicky-touchie-feelie-oowee-GUI to do a commandline install that could normally be done by a minimal install image a fraction of that size? no. you can download the file install-arch-minimal-date.iso from one of Gentoo mirrors. it's a little more than 100 MiB. use unetbootin to copy the ISO to your USB key and boot your computer with it. and follow the handbook as if you were installing Gentoo from the CD. On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 10:15 AM, Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote: On Wed, Nov 04, 2009 at 11:57:15AM +0100, KH wrote This might be what you have been looking for. http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/liveusb.xml That was one of the items I saw. A couple of questions... 1) Will the old 2007.0 ISO still work? 2) Is it *REALLY* necessary to download a 700 meg (*COMPRESSED*) full- blown system with pointy-clicky-touchie-feelie-oowee-GUI to do a commandline install that could normally be done by a minimal install image a fraction of that size? What I'd like to do is put the minimal install image on a USB key and boot from that. -- Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org -- Crístian Deives dos Santos Viana [aka CD1] Sent from Campinas, SP, Brazil
Re: [gentoo-user] New KDE4 option: night of the week for strip club attendance WTF?
On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 13:45:00 +0100, Erik wrote: The last part of the manual section says Till sist finns en kombinationsruta som heter Första dag i veckan, som låter dig välja vilken dag som är den första i veckan i ditt land. (Which means: Finally there is a combobox called First day of week, that lets you chose which day is first in the week in your country.) So there should not exist any further options after First day of week. There are four options here, first day of week, first working day of week, last working day of week and day of the week for religious observance. It would appear your locale uses a different translation! -- Neil Bothwick Guillotine operator wanted. Chance to get ahead. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] New KDE4 option: night of the week for strip club attendance WTF?
On Wednesday 04 November 2009 14:45:00 Erik wrote: With KDE4 I suddenly have bloody sexist stuff on my desktop!!! When I configure country/region and language, there is an option for Night of the week for strip club attendance: Hey, I don't have that! Not fair! What package is it in? I'd find that feature insanely useful, I'm always forgetting which night of the week the strip joints are open (then I miss the fun) -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] Different desktop wallpapers in KDE4?
I think I saw a statement on this list that it's possible to set a different wallpaper on each desktop in kde-4.3.1, but now I can't find it, and I can't see how to do it either. Is it really possible to do this? You need to create an activity for each desktop and set the wallpaper within the activities. Here's what I did which seems to work nicely: Created an auto hide panel centered on top edge. Added the activity bar widget to this panel. Create Activity (cashew, Zoom Out, alt-D alt-A, then select setup (wrench icon) (you may have to grab and scroll the desktop to see the commands) and name the activity. You can also set the background here. Use the Activity Bar to select another activity. Note, the first time after adding an activity, the activity bar has a bug where it will show the names for all of the activities, but will draw n-1 buttons. Just click on one button then the activity bar will be correct. Now on any activity, you can right click the desktop and choose Desktop Settings, then change the background. These instructions were pretty confusing for me, added features I didn't need, and didn't specify how to link desktops and activities. I just switched to kde4, and it took me quite awhile to achieve the goal of different backgrounds on different virtual desktops. Here's all I had to do. Make however many desktops you want using the System Settings under the Kicker menu (Desktops, Mutliple Desktops tab). Then hit the Cashew which is the little thing in the upper right corner of the main desktop (minimize or move windows and you will see it), and then use the Zoom Out option. Now Configure Plasma and link desktops and activities. Then you should have a number of activities equal to the number of desktops, and if not, add the correct number of activities. Now you can use the tool-icon for each activity to set the background. I think linking the activities and desktops is a feature of 4.3, so this may not work in older versions of kde4. ~daid
Re: [gentoo-user] hal, how to chose between nvidia and nv
On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 11:17:15 + Peter Haworth wrote: [...] This is only one of the reasons (only one of them) why hal in X is as useless as it can get: if you use any driver that's not provided by the Xorg guys then you still need an xorg.conf. True, but it doesn't need much in it. I'm not generally a hal apologist, but I'm quite happy with this as my entire xorg.conf: Section Device Identifier Device0 Driver nvidia VendorName NVIDIA Corporation EndSection Will try eth this. Thanks! -- Arnau Bria http://blog.emergetux.net Bombing for peace is like fucking for virginity
[gentoo-user] Re: kernel build - back in the soup.
Graham Murray graham at gmurray.org.uk writes: You have to copy the .config from the running (old) kernel to the new kernel directory before running make oldconfig. If you start with the default config, then you have to run make menuconfig (or config or xconfig) to customise it every time. Hm, I thought when you install a new kernel, you just change the symbolic link. example (old kernel linux-2.6.30-gentoo-r4) New kernel (linux-2.6.30-gentoo-r5) cd /usr/src rm linux ls -sf /usr/src/linux-2.6.30-gentoo-r5 linux cd linux make menuconfig At this point the new kernel sources (linux-2.6.30-gentoo-r5) automatically copies over the .config from the version of the kernel you are actually running. If no changes are required, save and build and setup new kennel. If something changes then the .config is modified by 'make menuconfig'. So minor kernel version revisions are trivial, but major kernel revision updated (like 2.6.30.x to 2.6.31.x) require your perusal of the menuconfig choices.(caveat emptor). Did I miss something? Dirt simple. Here are my steps: from /usr/src/linux: make make modules_install then cp System.map /boot/System.map-2.6.30-gentoo-r5 cp arch/x86_64/boot/bzImage /boot/kernel-2.6.30-gentoo-r5 cp .config /boot/config-2.6.30-gentoo-r5 Edit grub. Keep at least 2 copies of know working kernels around, in case you have to revert or look at something old Or did I miss something. That 'oldconfig' stuffage is not required any more. Or did I miss something? Last, if you are talking about hardware that is fixed (mobo, Hard drive (file systems), video cards(video drivers) etc etc, I always hard compile that into the kernel. I'd add to that mouse and keyboard, cause headaches can occur if those are loadable (others will disagree). But if you swap out usb keyboards quite often, either compile all choices into the kernel or use loadable modules. Stuff like external HD, usb or things that routinely get plugged and unplugged to/from the system, should definitely be loadable modules. imho. hth, James
Re: [gentoo-user] hal, how to chose between nvidia and nv
On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 11:17:15 + Peter Haworth wrote: On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 11:52:45 +0100, =?UTF-8?Q?Jes=C3=BAs_Guerrero?= wrote: On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 11:08:26 +0100, Arnau Bria ar...@emergetux.net wrote: Am Iworng or my xorg uses nv driver? if so, how may I force hal to use nvidia driver? what about dri module? why is it failling to load it? This is only one of the reasons (only one of them) why hal in X is as useless as it can get: if you use any driver that's not provided by the Xorg guys then you still need an xorg.conf. True, but it doesn't need much in it. I'm not generally a hal apologist, but I'm quite happy with this as my entire xorg.conf: Section Device Identifier Device0 Driver nvidia VendorName NVIDIA Corporation EndSection tried with only that section, it hangs and had to reboot X was really slow and log showed errors like: (II) NVIDIA(0): Initialized AGP GART. (II) NVIDIA(0): Initialized AGP GART. (II) Open ACPI successful (/var/run/acpid.socket) (II) NVIDIA(0): Setting mode nvidia-auto-select (II) Logitech USB-PS/2 Optical Mouse: Device reopened after 1 attempts. (II) Logitech Logitech USB Keyboard: Device reopened after 1 attempts. (II) Logitech Logitech USB Keyboard: Device reopened after 1 attempts. (WW) NVIDIA(0): WAIT (0, 7, 0x8000, 0xd384, 0xd384) (WW) NVIDIA(0): WAIT (0, 7, 0x8000, 0xd3a8, 0xd3a8) (WW) NVIDIA(0): WAIT (0, 7, 0x8000, 0xd3cc, 0xd3cc) (WW) NVIDIA(0): WAIT (0, 7, 0x8000, 0xd3f0, 0xd3f0) (II) NVIDIA(0): Initialized AGP GART. So, I'll stay with nv or try xorg with no hal support. Thanks for your replies! -- Arnau Bria http://blog.emergetux.net Bombing for peace is like fucking for virginity
[gentoo-user] Re: To James and James (was Re: executing commands on lots of servers at once)
Dirk Heinrichs dirk.heinrichs at online.de writes: Yes, there are indeed two James on the list. Could you please both be so kind and use your full names when posting to the list, to avoid such confusion in the future? No, I've been using James on the list since, 2004. I've got grandfather rights. Besides too many hacker/impersonators share my resources; to sort out any instantiation of reality...(boring). So 'James is the new Sybil ..' http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sybil_(book) pssst, I'm the old, stupid, forgetful one pssst, I like diversity too! James
Re: [gentoo-user] hal, how to chose between nvidia and nv
Arnau Bria wrote: or try xorg with no hal support. Thanks for your replies! I can tell you that using xorg without hal works. I gave up on hal a while back. If you want to know how to get rid of hal support, just let us know or search the archives. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] hal, how to chose between nvidia and nv
Arnau Bria writes: On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 11:17:15 + Peter Haworth wrote: Section Device Identifier Device0 Driver nvidia VendorName NVIDIA Corporation EndSection tried with only that section, it hangs and had to reboot Did you try the being-mentioned-here-quite-often-these-days-of-X-trouble trick of Alt-SysRq-R, followed by Ctrl-Alt-F1? So, I'll stay with nv or try xorg with no hal support. I have hal support in it, but also still keyboard and mouse sections in xorg.conf. I also have Option AutoAddDevices false Option AllowEmptyInput false in the ServerLayout section to make them still work. so I can easier switch between using and not using HAL for devices than by re-compiling with changes USE flags. Wonko
[gentoo-user] Re: kernel build - back in the soup.
John H. Moe john...@optusnet.com.au writes: I stopped using that option in my systems, as there is now a AHCI SATA option to use instead. It appears CONFIG_ATA_SFF (which CONFIG_ATA_PIIX requires) is deprecated. From the help on it: Do you notice some kind of difference from switching?
[gentoo-user] Re: X crashes with nvidia-173 driver
On 11/03/2009 06:10 PM, Maxim Wexler wrote: I'm guessing that the xorg server couldn't load its 'nvidia' module because the nvidia kernel module wasn't loaded, so that's no surprise. Does modprobe -nv nvidia say anything interesting? kyzyl ~ # modprobe -nv nvidia insmod /lib/modules/2.6.29/video/nvidia.ko NVreg_DeviceFileMode=432 NVreg_DeviceFileUID=0 NVreg_DeviceFileGID=27 NVreg_ModifyDeviceFiles=1 NVreg_DeviceFileMode=432 NVreg_DeviceFileUID=0 NVreg_DeviceFileGID=27 NVreg_ModifyDeviceFiles=1 FATAL: Error inserting nvidia (/lib/modules/2.6.29/video/nvidia.ko): No such device Do you have /lib/modules/2.6.29/modules.pcimap? #head modules.pcimap # pci module vendor device subvendor subdevice class class_mask driver_data snd-via82xx 0x1106 0x3058 0x 0x 0x 0x 0x0 snd-via82xx 0x1106 0x3059 0x 0x 0x 0x 0x0 nvidia 0x10de 0x 0x 0x 0x0003 0x 0x0 nvidia 0x10de 0x 0x 0x 0x00030200 0x 0x0 uhci-hcd 0x 0x 0x 0x 0x000c0300 0x 0x0
Re: [gentoo-user] hal, how to chose between nvidia and nv
On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 08:34:06 -0600 Dale Dale wrote: I can tell you that using xorg without hal works. I gave up on hal a while back. If you want to know how to get rid of hal support, just let us know or search the archives. Well, I did a quick serach with [xorg without hal] or no hal support and other and got many results... do you remember subject on that threat? any link to a guide? Dale Thanks Dale! -- Arnau Bria http://blog.emergetux.net Bombing for peace is like fucking for virginity
Re: [gentoo-user] hal, how to chose between nvidia and nv
tried with only that section, it hangs and had to reboot Did you try the being-mentioned-here-quite-often-these-days-of-X-trouble trick of Alt-SysRq-R, followed by Ctrl-Alt-F1? nop, did not remeber key combination, but I don't care if I have to reboot, not the issue in this topic. I have hal support in it, but also still keyboard and mouse sections in xorg.conf. I also have Option AutoAddDevices false Option AllowEmptyInput false in the ServerLayout section to make them still work. so I can easier switch between using and not using HAL for devices than by re-compiling with changes USE flags. Ok, but if I have to add input section and nvidia section, what profit do I take from hal? I prefer having my weel know xorg file :-) Wonko thanks for your reply, Arnau -- Arnau Bria http://blog.emergetux.net Bombing for peace is like fucking for virginity
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: kernel build - back in the soup.
On 11/3/2009 11:10 PM, Harry Putnam wrote: hamiltonhamil...@pobox.com writes: Just checking - but you didn't mention: did you copy the .config to the new kernel src directory? If not, that would certainly explain the disparity in configuration settings you're seeing. I think you can say make `oldconfig' and the `old config' is supposed to be incorporated so no I didn't If I had put .confg into the new sources, then plain make menuconfig is what I would have used. Do you know where the man pages or docs for that stuff is .. its not in `man make' The 'make' man page wouldn't know anything about the kernel's makefile. You want the README file that's included in the top of the kernel source folder. That file says, among other things: make oldconfig Default all questions based on the contents of your existing ./.config file and asking about new config symbols. You need to already have a .config file in the source tree in order for 'make oldconfig' to work; otherwise you are going to get the default answers to just about every question. The benefit of this is that you don't have to search through the entire menu tree in the UI to find what's new. When you're ready to build a new kernel version, you should copy the .config file from your current kernel into the new source tree. For example, if you use 'make install' it will copy .config to /boot/config-kernel version; from there you can copy it back to /usr/src/linux/.config for the next version. When you run 'oldconfig' you should rarely get more than a few dozen questions, and it should all be on truly new items that didn't exist in your previous kernel. The hardware drivers you selected should all carry over as-is. --Mike
[gentoo-user] fsck date problem during boot
I've been fiddling with a new kernel, and have had several occasions to reboot lately. If I mounted /boot to cp the new kernel etc over, I have a problem on reboot for sure. Somehow the date of last fsck on /boot is seen as `in the future' so fsck fails on /dev/had1 (/boot). Which means nearly all other boot time services also fail. So I end up logging into a system with no services running and only `/' mounted. At that point, I run fsck /dev/hda1 which finds a date error, fixes it and then reboot... this time everything works, and if I don't mount /boot a reboot just works... but if I end up having to fiddle further with kernel, mount /boot to copy over etc. On reboot the same problem occurs. I tried to get ahead of the game by umounting /boot after cp over kernel and running fsck on it before reboot. fsck doesn't find a problem. But at reboot... the same problem occurs. What it means is every reboot requires 2 reboots (if I mounted /boot) I'm guessing its some kind of timing problem with events during boot. But not sure what to do about it. The clock can't be getting that far off in a few seconds, and is reset when ntp-client runs. So I don't understand the error saying `in the future'.
[gentoo-user] Another angle on hal/xorg thread
I didn't want to derail the ongoing thread about hal/xorg with this question there. Far as I remember I haven't done anything special concerning hal but at some point hal disappeared. And is not on my system anymore. I've always used and /etc/X11/xorg.conf file for starting X. What I'm wondering from seeing this kind of topic frequently here is if I'm running in some deprecated mode? If my setup using no hal, and xorg.conf is going to become outdated and stop working anytime soon?
[gentoo-user] Re: kernel build - back in the soup.
On 11/04/2009 06:16 AM, james wrote: Graham Murray graham at gmurray.org.uk writes: You have to copy the .config from the running (old) kernel to the new kernel directory before running make oldconfig. If you start with the default config, then you have to run make menuconfig (or config or xconfig) to customise it every time. Hm, I thought when you install a new kernel, you just change the symbolic link. example (old kernel linux-2.6.30-gentoo-r4) New kernel (linux-2.6.30-gentoo-r5) cd /usr/src rm linux ls -sf /usr/src/linux-2.6.30-gentoo-r5 linux cd linux make menuconfig Well, if you really want to use menuconfig first, you need to repeat the entire configuration process from the beginning. Make oldconfig is there exactly so you *don't* need to repeat everything manually. At this point the new kernel sources (linux-2.6.30-gentoo-r5) automatically copies over the .config from the version of the kernel you are actually running... That sentence doesn't make sense. You said the sources automatically copy the .config -- but the sources don't do anything. Only a program could do something automatically, not source code files. It may be that genkernel does something like that, but I've never used it so I don't know. If you are building your kernel manually (as you seem to be doing) then *you* need to copy the .config from the old sources over to your new kernel source directory and *then* do make oldconfig. That's when the magic happens, not before. You'll see lots of interesting stuff if you run 'make help' in the kernel source directory.
[gentoo-user] Re: kernel build - back in the soup.
Mike Edenfield kut...@kutulu.org writes: The 'make' man page wouldn't know anything about the kernel's makefile. You want the README file that's included in the top of the kernel source folder. That file says, among other things: make oldconfig Default all questions based on the contents of your existing ./.config file and asking about new config symbols. You need to already have a .config file in the source tree in order for 'make oldconfig' to work; otherwise you are going to get the default answers to just about every question. The benefit of this is that you don't have to search through the entire menu tree in the UI to find what's new. Thanks for clearing that stuff up, and the pointer to documentation.
[gentoo-user] Re: kernel build - back in the soup.
On 2009-11-04, Harry Putnam rea...@newsguy.com wrote: Just checking - but you didn't mention: did you copy the .config to the new kernel src directory? If not, that would certainly explain the disparity in configuration settings you're seeing. I think you can say make `oldconfig' and the `old config' is supposed to be incorporated No, it isn't. so no I didn't That's the problem. If I had put .config into the new sources, then plain make menuconfig is what I would have used. No, that's when you use make oldconfig: when you've placed a .config file from an old kernel into the build directory. Doing a make oldconfig will used the existing .config file as much as possible and ask you questions about new choices. Do you know where the man pages or docs for that stuff is .. its not in `man make' Have you tried looking in the 'Documentation' directory in the linux source tree? I'd like to check some of that. Good idea. -- Grant Edwards grante Yow! ... I'm IMAGINING a at sensuous GIRAFFE, CAVORTING visi.comin the BACK ROOM of a KOSHER DELI --
[gentoo-user] Re: Gtk+ update results in slow Firefox
On 11/04/2009 04:55 AM, 7v5w7go9ub0o wrote: Nikos Chantziaras wrote: [...] Gah, the Flash plugin is very buggy with 3.6 (rendering corruption). I reverted to 3.5.4 and downgraded to Gtk+ 2.16.6 and gtkmm 2.16.0 instead. Any pointers at to what might be wrong are still welcome. Shot in the dark here. NVidia updated their drivers at about the time you started having problems. Their latest driver update changed the permissions on /dev/nvidia0 nvidiactl ; resulting in VERY slow scrolling response on my box (amd64) using googleearth. Changing the permissions to crwxrw-rw- resulted in instant speed up; you may get by with r--r-- (?). Thanks, but that's not it. I'm on ATI and /dev/ati/card0 has the right permissions. And it works just fine with older Gtk+, just not with newer.
Re: [gentoo-user] hal, how to chose between nvidia and nv
Arnau Bria writes: I have hal support in it, but also still keyboard and mouse sections in xorg.conf. I also have Option AutoAddDevices false Option AllowEmptyInput false in the ServerLayout section to make them still work. so I can easier switch between using and not using HAL for devices than by re-compiling with changes USE flags. Ok, but if I have to add input section and nvidia section, what profit do I take from hal? I prefer having my weel know xorg file :-) Probably no much, apart from having not to put -hal in package.use. Maybe the detection of your monitor is improved. I heard that switching resolutions with Ctrl-Alt-+/- is also faster now (seems to be true here), but that might also be related to the new X.org, not HAL. And it's easier to try HAL again on the fly, without having to re-build xorg with changed USE flag. If you decide to drop it completely from X.org, and never try again, just remove it with -hal use flag. Some day HAL will be replaced by devicekit anyway, but that may take a while to happen. Wonko
Re: [gentoo-user] Another angle on hal/xorg thread
On Mittwoch 04 November 2009, Harry Putnam wrote: I didn't want to derail the ongoing thread about hal/xorg with this question there. Far as I remember I haven't done anything special concerning hal but at some point hal disappeared. And is not on my system anymore. I've always used and /etc/X11/xorg.conf file for starting X. What I'm wondering from seeing this kind of topic frequently here is if I'm running in some deprecated mode? If my setup using no hal, and xorg.conf is going to become outdated and stop working anytime soon? no but hal is going away soon.
[gentoo-user] Re: New KDE4 option: night of the week for strip club attendance WTF?
On 11/04/2009 02:45 PM, Erik wrote: With KDE4 I suddenly have bloody sexist stuff on my desktop!!! When I configure country/region and language, there is an option for Night of the week for strip club attendance: I would report that to the KDE development list. It look like a translator was trying to be funny.
Re: [gentoo-user] Another angle on hal/xorg thread
Harry Putnam writes: Far as I remember I haven't done anything special concerning hal but at some point hal disappeared. And is not on my system anymore. Strange. Is hal still in your USE flags? It is not really neded, but I think it's nice to have - maybe not for x.org, but for other things like automounting devices. Here's the list of my packages that need HAL: wo...@weird ~ $ equery d hal [ Searching for packages depending on hal... ] app-cdr/k3b-1.0.5-r6 (hal? sys-apps/hal) app-emulation/wine-1.1.12 (hal? sys-apps/hal) app-misc/hal-cups-utils-0.6.19 (=sys-apps/hal-0.5.10) app-misc/hal-info-20090414 (=sys-apps/hal-0.5.10) gnome-base/gnome-keyring-2.26.3 (hal? =sys-apps/hal-0.5.7) gnome-base/gnome-mount-0.8-r1 (=sys-apps/hal-0.5.8.1) gnome-base/gnome-vfs-2.24.1 (hal? =sys-apps/hal-0.5.7) gnome-base/gvfs-1.2.3 (cdda? =sys-apps/hal-0.5.10) (hal? =sys-apps/hal-0.5.10) gnome-extra/nautilus-cd-burner-2.24.0 (=sys-apps/hal-0.5.7) kde-base/kdebase-kioslaves-3.5.10-r1 (hal? =sys-apps/hal-0.5*) kde-base/solid-4.3.2 (=sys-apps/hal-0.5.9) media-gfx/gimp-2.6.4 (hal? sys-apps/hal) media-libs/libgphoto2-2.4.6 (hal? =sys-apps/hal-0.5) media-sound/rhythmbox-0.11.6-r1 (hal? =sys-apps/hal-0.5) sys-fs/ntfs3g-2009.3.8 (hal? sys-apps/hal) sys-power/pm-utils-1.2.5 (=sys-apps/hal-0.5.10) x11-base/xorg-server-1.6.3.901-r2 (hal? sys-apps/hal) xfce-base/exo-0.3.105-r1 (hal? sys-apps/hal) xfce-base/thunar-1.0.1 (hal? sys-apps/hal) I've always used and /etc/X11/xorg.conf file for starting X. What I'm wondering from seeing this kind of topic frequently here is if I'm running in some deprecated mode? If my setup using no hal, and xorg.conf is going to become outdated and stop working anytime soon? I don't think so. HAL will be replaced anyway by devicekit. You should be safe to keep your xorg.conf, as many people here seem to do. Wonko
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: New KDE4 option: night of the week for strip club attendance WTF?
On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 17:19:16 +0100, Nikos Chantziaras rea...@arcor.de wrote: On 11/04/2009 02:45 PM, Erik wrote: With KDE4 I suddenly have bloody sexist stuff on my desktop!!! When I configure country/region and language, there is an option for Night of the week for strip club attendance: I would report that to the KDE development list. It look like a translator was trying to be funny. Those pesky translators! I'd say they managed to be just a little funny :-) Zeerak
Re: [gentoo-user] Another angle on hal/xorg thread
On 11/4/2009 10:51 AM, Harry Putnam wrote: I didn't want to derail the ongoing thread about hal/xorg with this question there. Far as I remember I haven't done anything special concerning hal but at some point hal disappeared. And is not on my system anymore. I believe that some packages in portage recently masked off the hal USE flag (GNOME stuff, maybe?), so if those were the only packages relying on hal it might have gone away. I've always used and /etc/X11/xorg.conf file for starting X. What I'm wondering from seeing this kind of topic frequently here is if I'm running in some deprecated mode? If my setup using no hal, and xorg.conf is going to become outdated and stop working anytime soon? The answer is a solid who the heck knows. If it works for you now, don't mess with it. Wait for the Xorg/hal/devkit/whatever situation to settle down before you go making any drastic changes. Some people, like myself, are running X with hal and no .conf file and it works like a champ. I get better hardware detection with hal, especially on my laptop, than I ever got manually. Other people have had problems with hal and Xorg not detecting their hardware at all. What you are frequently seeing is those people reminding everyone, every time the topic come up, that you don't *need* to use the new hal-ified way if it doesn't work for you. All of this is probably moot because hal itself is going away and being replaced by devicekit, but not yet because devicekit isn't quite ready. What the configuration situation will be under devicekit I have no idea, though I would hope having no configuration file would still be a goal for the devkit team. --Mike
Re: [gentoo-user] Netqmail and local mail
On 3 Nov 2009, at 23:21, Momesso Andrea wrote: ... The server works fine and can send and recive mails. The problem is that I don't know anymore where to find my local mail, for example mail sent by cron jobs. I'd like to have it forwarded to one of my accounts (for example my gmail address) or, if this is not possible, to an account on the server, so that I can access it trough horde webmail. I have no idea where your mail was before - I'm afraid you didn't bother to tell us. I don't use qmail, but if I look at the HOWTO you followed, I see that you've set this up already: Code Listing 2.3: Setting up non-root account for mail # cd /var/qmail/alias # echo vapier .qmail-root # echo vapier .qmail-postmaster # echo vapier .qmail-mailer-daemon Thus all mail will be delivered to your vap...@yourdomain.com mailbox. You can probably change this by putting bobsm...@gmail.com in the .qmail-postmaster file. If the mail isn't being delivered to you, then best guess is that the cron system isn't actually set up to deliver it to you. If you use qmail's replacement for the sendmail command to `sendmail postmaster Alice\ in\ Wonderland.txt`, is the message delivered? Stroller.
[gentoo-user] Sound card drivers must be modules?
I'm trying to configure my laptop's internal sound card and external USB sound card. I have /etc/modprobe.d/alsa.conf: alias snd-card-0 snd-hda-intel options snd-hda-intel index=0 alias snd-card-1 snd-usb-audio options snd-usb-audio index=1 and restarting alsasound I get: WARNING: Module snd_hda_intel not found. WARNING: Module snd_usb_audio not found. Do I have to compile both drivers as modules in order to use them both? - Grant
Re: [gentoo-user] Another angle on hal/xorg thread
On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 11:25:49 -0500, Mike Edenfield kut...@kutulu.org wrote: On 11/4/2009 10:51 AM, Harry Putnam wrote: I didn't want to derail the ongoing thread about hal/xorg with this question there. Far as I remember I haven't done anything special concerning hal but at some point hal disappeared. And is not on my system anymore. I believe that some packages in portage recently masked off the hal USE flag (GNOME stuff, maybe?), so if those were the only packages relying on hal it might have gone away. I've always used and /etc/X11/xorg.conf file for starting X. What I'm wondering from seeing this kind of topic frequently here is if I'm running in some deprecated mode? If my setup using no hal, and xorg.conf is going to become outdated and stop working anytime soon? The answer is a solid who the heck knows. If it works for you now, don't mess with it. Wait for the Xorg/hal/devkit/whatever situation to settle down before you go making any drastic changes. I'd just save all the config files for future reference, specially if you are going to keep your hardware for a long time. For the rest, use whatever works for you right now. I remind you also of quickpkg, in case you need to test and revert packages quickly. Some people, like myself, are running X with hal and no .conf file and it works like a champ. I get better hardware detection with hal, especially on my laptop, than I ever got manually. Other people have had problems with hal and Xorg not detecting their hardware at all. What you are frequently seeing is those people reminding everyone, every time the topic come up, that you don't *need* to use the new hal-ified way if it doesn't work for you. This whole hal stuff has always been a mess. Yes, it works for a few persons out of the box. But for those that don't, it has brought a lot of trouble. I've never suggested anyone ditching hal when it worked for him or her. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. But I can't help but to think that I've never liked hal because it's a monsters that doesn't solve the problems that it was created to solve, except in a few cases out of pure chance. I still don't know what's so amazing about the hal automounting stuff, when a simple udev rule can do exactly the same without tainting all my software. Now hal has proven to be what a lot of people knew it was from the beginning, just think of the lot of wasted hours, and the other lot that will be wasted to remove all the metastases on every single program it has touched with its tentacles. Hopefully a big part of it would be a conversion rather than a complete rewrite. However, I am sure that they've learn from the experience, and that's a good thing, it's useless to talk now about *what* could have been done and *how*, we have to look forward, everyone including those that just like me do not like hal. It's the kind of thing that happens when we integrate non-mature technologies into every single product under the sun: if they succeed they are visionaries. If they don't, then everyone complains, human nature I guess. :) -- Jesús Guerrero
[gentoo-user] Re: New KDE4 option: night of the week for strip club attendance WTF?
On 11/04/2009 06:24 PM, Zeerak Waseem wrote: On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 17:19:16 +0100, Nikos Chantziaras rea...@arcor.de wrote: On 11/04/2009 02:45 PM, Erik wrote: With KDE4 I suddenly have bloody sexist stuff on my desktop!!! When I configure country/region and language, there is an option for Night of the week for strip club attendance: I would report that to the KDE development list. It look like a translator was trying to be funny. Those pesky translators! I'd say they managed to be just a little funny :-) I find it funny too, but the problem is that the user has no idea what the option actually does then.
[gentoo-user] Re: Sound card drivers must be modules?
On 11/04/2009 06:48 PM, Grant wrote: I'm trying to configure my laptop's internal sound card and external USB sound card. I have /etc/modprobe.d/alsa.conf: alias snd-card-0 snd-hda-intel options snd-hda-intel index=0 alias snd-card-1 snd-usb-audio options snd-usb-audio index=1 and restarting alsasound I get: WARNING: Module snd_hda_intel not found. WARNING: Module snd_usb_audio not found. Do I have to compile both drivers as modules in order to use them both? For the built-in chip, no. For the USB card, not if you have it plugged in at boot time. But better build this one as a module since USB devices can be plugged in and out at random.
Re: [gentoo-user] New KDE4 option: night of the week for strip club attendance WTF?
On 4 Nov 2009, at 13:22, Neil Bothwick wrote: ... There are four options here, first day of week, first working day of week, last working day of week and day of the week for religious observance. It would appear your locale uses a different translation! I am torn as whether to find this funny or improper. Only when I know what it's supposed to say I really like the joke that both are equally important. Why indeed give religious observance a higher priority?!?! But installing Linux for a little old lady or person of uptight morals, and it is likely to offend and possibly drive the user away from the platform. Stroller.
Re: [gentoo-user] fsck date problem during boot
On 4 Nov 2009, at 15:45, Harry Putnam wrote: ... Somehow the date of last fsck on /boot is seen as `in the future' so fsck fails on /dev/had1 (/boot). The first thing I would want to check is the motherboard battery. Is the time correct if you reboot and immediately enter BIOS? Stroller.
Re: [gentoo-user] New KDE4 option: night of the week for strip club attendance WTF?
On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 17:06:28 +, Stroller wrote: I am torn as whether to find this funny or improper. Like a lot of humour, I see it as both. Only when I know what it's supposed to say I really like the joke that both are equally important. Why indeed give religious observance a higher priority?!?! But installing Linux for a little old lady or person of uptight morals, and it is likely to offend and possibly drive the user away from the platform. The other problem, as Nikos mentioned, is that it hides the real meaning of the option. -- Neil Bothwick Support bacteria - they're the only culture some people have. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Sound card drivers must be modules?
I'm trying to configure my laptop's internal sound card and external USB sound card. I have /etc/modprobe.d/alsa.conf: alias snd-card-0 snd-hda-intel options snd-hda-intel index=0 alias snd-card-1 snd-usb-audio options snd-usb-audio index=1 and restarting alsasound I get: WARNING: Module snd_hda_intel not found. WARNING: Module snd_usb_audio not found. Do I have to compile both drivers as modules in order to use them both? For the built-in chip, no. But I get the warning about Module snd_hda_intel not found which is the built-in chip. - Grant For the USB card, not if you have it plugged in at boot time. But better build this one as a module since USB devices can be plugged in and out at random.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Sound card drivers must be modules?
On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 09:25:21 -0800, Grant wrote: But I get the warning about Module snd_hda_intel not found which is the built-in chip. That's because you don't have that module, it's built into the kernel. This also means the the options lines in alsa.conf will not do anything. -- Neil Bothwick Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-user] VGA output?
How are you guys getting your laptops to do VGA output? My system functions fine without an xorg.conf right now. Do I need to create one if I want VGA output? - Grant
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Sound card drivers must be modules?
But I get the warning about Module snd_hda_intel not found which is the built-in chip. That's because you don't have that module, it's built into the kernel. This also means the the options lines in alsa.conf will not do anything. OK, so I need to build them as modules, or I need to change those lines in alsa.conf? If I can avoid building them as modules I'd like to. How can those lines be written when the drivers are built into the kernel? - Grant
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: syslog-ng: v2-v3 config issue...
Fekete Robert wrote:
You are right, the program-override option is missing from the
documentation of the file source, but it should work anyway.
We did a quick test and it was working on our Ubuntu machines (tested
with syslog-ng 3.02a), both on kernel messages and also on custom
files containing log messages.
Well, I'm not sure where is the problem. I'm using syslog-ng-3.0.4
(the last stable version in portage). This is relevant part of my
new /etc/syslog-ng.conf:
options { chain_hostnames(no);
stats_freq(3600);
ts_format(iso);
flush_lines(1);
log_fifo_size(250); };
source s_teamspeak { file(/var/log/teamspeak2-server/server.log
flags(store-legacy-msghdr)
program_override(teamspeak: )
log_fetch_limit(100)
flags(no-parse)); };
destination d_teamspeak { file(/var/log/ts2.log); };
log { source(s_teamspeak); destination(d_teamspeak); };
==
One line in source (/var/log/teamspeak-server/server.log):
04-11-09 16:52:54,ALL,Info... (etc)
Corresponding line in /var/log/ts2.log (that program_override()
is simply missing):
2009-11-04T16:52:54+00:00 talk 04-11-09 16:52:54,ALL,Info...
For comparison, the same part of my syslog-ng v2.x config:
==
options { chain_hostnames(off);
sync(0);
stats(43200);
ts_format(iso); };
source s_teamspeak2 { file(/var/log/teamspeak2-server/server.log
log_prefix(teamspeak2: )
follow_freq(1)
flags(no-parse)); };
destination d_teamspeak { file(/var/log/ts2.log); };
log { source(s_teamspeak); destination(d_teamspeak); };
===
And this is what I got in ts2.log with syslog-ng v2.x:
2009-09-25T18:17:41+00:00 talk teamspeak2: 28-07-09 18:49:39,ALL,Info...
You see the difference?
syslog-ng 2.x: iso-time hostname *log_prefix* message
syslog-ng 3.x: iso-time hostname message
Where is program_override?
v2/v3 config-files are now not absolutely the same but even when
I made them identical (removed fifo_size, fetch_limit, flags, etc)
I still had this problem. And I observed this strange behavior
not only with this particular file() source, but with all file()
sources. So what could be the reason?
Jarry
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[gentoo-user] Re: VGA output?
How are you guys getting your laptops to do VGA output? My system functions fine without an xorg.conf right now. Do I need to create one if I want VGA output? - Grant Actually it works great after a reboot. Is there a better method for switching VGA output on and off than plug/unplug + reboot? - Grant
Re: [gentoo-user] kernel build - back in the soup.
Am Dienstag 03 November 2009 23:29:59 schrieb Harry Putnam: The thing is, I cannot find the culprit. For example, examining the PIIX items in the working kernel and inserting here: Still the (IMHO) best way is to boot a LiveCD, run lspci -vv (two times v) and write down which hardware is detected and which driver is used for it. From that you can directly determine what you need to compile into your kernel. Everything else is guesswork. Hint: menuconfig has a search function (/). You can directly search for the driver name you got from lspci and enable the corresponding option. If you're unsure as to what should be compiled into the kernel and what can be a module, always say Y. You can try M in later iterations. As a rule of thumb: everything you need to access your root fs should get a Y. That is Chipset-(S)ATA harddisk-Filesystem. If it still won't work, you can also post your kernel config and the output of lspci -vv here and somebody will find out what's wrong/missing. HTH... Dirk signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: kernel build - back in the soup.
Am Mittwoch 04 November 2009 02:46:54 schrieb Harry Putnam: But am I missing some critical driver? Harddisk (CONFIG_BLK_DEV_SD=y), maybe? That's one reason for unknown block device. Bye... Dirk signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
[gentoo-user] Re: VGA output?
On 11/04/2009 07:47 PM, Grant wrote: How are you guys getting your laptops to do VGA output? My system functions fine without an xorg.conf right now. Do I need to create one if I want VGA output? - Grant Actually it works great after a reboot. Is there a better method for switching VGA output on and off than plug/unplug + reboot? Might be a shot in the dark, but try krandrtray (it's a KDE app though.) You should get something like this: http://i36.tinypic.com/a1rgqu.png I don't have a second monitor to connect so I can't try, but perhaps it will allow you to enable output to it once you connect it.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: kernel build - back in the soup.
Am Mittwoch 04 November 2009 05:10:52 schrieb Harry Putnam: I think you can say make `oldconfig' and the `old config' is supposed to be incorporated so no I didn't No, that's only half of the truth. You need to copy .config from your old kernel first. I'd compile the config into the kernel, so that you can access it from the running kernel any time, via /proc/config(.gz). If I had put .confg into the new sources, then plain make menuconfig is what I would have used. This is how I do it since years. Works fine. Never used oldconfig. Do you know where the man pages or docs for that stuff is .. its not in `man make' But in make help when you are in the kernel source directory. HTH... Dirk signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
[gentoo-user] Re: Another angle on hal/xorg thread
Alex Schuster wo...@wonkology.org writes: Strange. Is hal still in your USE flags? It is not really neded, but I think it's nice to have - maybe not for x.org, but for other things like automounting devices. Here's the list of my packages that need HAL: I didn't tell quite all of it. Hal was not in my useflags (by my hand) until this last upgrade (two days ago). In the course of events I saw hal pop up in the output of emerge -vuDp world. I'd already noticed hal was not on my system for a while now... so quickly added `-hal' to /etc/make.conf. So from here on, its no mystery why I don't have hal. But before the last upgrade, I don't recall having done anything explicit about hal to remove it. And had gone through several upgrades without hal popping up.
Re: [gentoo-user] New KDE4 option: night of the week for strip club attendance WTF?
Stroller skrev: On 4 Nov 2009, at 13:22, Neil Bothwick wrote: ... There are four options here, first day of week, first working day of week, last working day of week and day of the week for religious observance. It would appear your locale uses a different translation! I am torn as whether to find this funny or improper. Only when I know what it's supposed to say I really like the joke that both are equally important. Why indeed give religious observance a higher priority?!?! I have encountered arguments like this: Yes, there's a setting for that in the country/region settings module but if you're not interested in it, it won't bother you. If you are, you can have kontact or the calendar plasmoid show those days as special. That's it. Sounds unproblematic to me. My point is of course that in my desktop environment, I do not want an option for either strip club attendance, religious observance, or anything else that someone else might want to do once a week. I would prefer to keep the desktop environment neutral (secular) by default. If there is indeed a need for such an option to make sundays red in the calendar, it would be more proper to call it sometning more neutral, like Weekly holiday, Ceremonial weekday or Special weekday. The user can then let that mean lap dance, prayer, family dinner, hiking, hacking or whatever he may be interested in. Yes, I know that holiday sounds like holy day, but it still feels broader than relious observance. According to wikipedia, a holiday can mean among other things official or unofficial observances of religious, national, or cultural significance. So the phrase Weekly holiday covers the current meaning of the KDE option, but is meaningful even to secular people. Therefore changing the phrase would make KDE usage more acceptable in secular countries and by secular people.
Re: [gentoo-user] New KDE4 option: night of the week for strip club attendance WTF?
On Mittwoch 04 November 2009, Erik wrote: Stroller skrev: On 4 Nov 2009, at 13:22, Neil Bothwick wrote: ... There are four options here, first day of week, first working day of week, last working day of week and day of the week for religious observance. It would appear your locale uses a different translation! I am torn as whether to find this funny or improper. Only when I know what it's supposed to say I really like the joke that both are equally important. Why indeed give religious observance a higher priority?!?! I have encountered arguments like this: Yes, there's a setting for that in the country/region settings module but if you're not interested in it, it won't bother you. If you are, you can have kontact or the calendar plasmoid show those days as special. That's it. Sounds unproblematic to me. My point is of course that in my desktop environment, I do not want an option for either strip club attendance, religious observance, or anything else that someone else might want to do once a week. I would prefer to keep the desktop environment neutral (secular) by default. If there is indeed a need for such an option to make sundays red in the calendar, it would be more proper to call it sometning more neutral, like Weekly holiday, Ceremonial weekday or Special weekday. The user can then let that mean lap dance, prayer, family dinner, hiking, hacking or whatever he may be interested in. Yes, I know that holiday sounds like holy day, but it still feels broader than relious observance. According to wikipedia, a holiday can mean among other things official or unofficial observances of religious, national, or cultural significance. So the phrase Weekly holiday covers the current meaning of the KDE option, but is meaningful even to secular people. Therefore changing the phrase would make KDE usage more acceptable in secular countries and by secular people. sounds like PC crap. Sundays are marked special, because most people don't have to work. Shops are closed and stuff like that. There is no need to bring in religion.
Re: [gentoo-user] (g)PXE booting
I guess what I was looking for was something like the Altiris PXE boot server, where you can set up a repository of different PXE boot options, etc. -j On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 6:21 PM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Mon, 2 Nov 2009 13:52:05 -0800, Keith Dart wrote: I use dnsmasq, which can also handle PXE booting (it's just a particular setup of DHCP and TFTP). +1 -- Neil Bothwick Work is the curse of the partying class!
[gentoo-user] Re: Sound card drivers must be modules?
On 11/04/2009 09:30 AM, Grant wrote: But I get the warning about Module snd_hda_intel not found which is the built-in chip. That's because you don't have that module, it's built into the kernel. This also means the the options lines in alsa.conf will not do anything. OK, so I need to build them as modules, or I need to change those lines in alsa.conf? If I can avoid building them as modules I'd like to. How can those lines be written when the drivers are built into the kernel? This is from /etc/conf.d/alsasound: # LOAD_ON_START: # Do you want to load sound modules when alsasound starts? # Note: The Gentoo ALSA developers encourage you to build your sound # drivers into the kernel unless the device is hotpluggable or # you need to supply specific options (such as model= to HD-Audio). # no - Do not load modules # yes - Load modules LOAD_ON_START=yes I've never had a hot-pluggable sound card, so I can only guess whether hald would somehow load that sound module for you. So say LOAD_ON_START=no, compile the on-board sound driver into the kernel and do the other one as a module -- and let us know if it works when you plug it in :o)
[gentoo-user] Re: kernel build - back in the soup.
Dirk Heinrichs dirk.heinri...@online.de writes: If it still won't work, you can also post your kernel config and the output of lspci -vv here and somebody will find out what's wrong/missing. Good input thanks. I did get it working. It was an IDE selection I missed. From the lspci -vv you mentioned (aggravating because I knew that since long ago) shows: 00:1f.1 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) IDE Controller (rev 02) (prog-if 8a [...] Kernel driver in use: PIIX_IDE Here is the part that throws the monkey wrench in: make menuconfig /PIIX_IDE No matches found. Without fiddling around more I'm still not sure which setting it is. One of the settings checked here I think: | ++ | | |--- Serial ATA (prod) and Parallel ATA (experimental) drivers | | | |[*] ATA ACPI Support | | | |[ ] SATA Port Multiplier support | | | |AHCI SATA support | | | |Silicon Image 3124/3132 SATA support | | | |[*] ATA SFF support | | | | ServerWorks Frodo / Apple K2 SATA support | | | |* Intel ESB, ICH, PIIX3, PIIX4 PATA/SATA support | | | | Marvell SATA support Now that I got things to boot... I'm sick of looking at this stuff... hehe
[gentoo-user] Re: fsck date problem during boot
Stroller strol...@stellar.eclipse.co.uk writes: On 4 Nov 2009, at 15:45, Harry Putnam wrote: ... Somehow the date of last fsck on /boot is seen as `in the future' so fsck fails on /dev/had1 (/boot). The first thing I would want to check is the motherboard battery. Is the time correct if you reboot and immediately enter BIOS? That was a pretty good help but apparently not all the story. When I checked bios, the clock was exactly 1 hr fast (didn't pick up the end of daylight saving time I guess). Reset the clock and tested with 2 more reboots, each time mounting /boot and fiddling around with files. Each time the same failure occurs. I check bios time again. Its right. Here is the (edited) output form fsck Superblock last mount time (Wed Nov 4 18:05:13 2009, now = Wed Nov 4 12:11:49 2009) is in the future. Fixy? yes [...] ---- ---=--- - Superblock last mount time (Wed Nov 4 18:14:54 2009, now = Wed Nov 4 12:18:01 2009) is in the future. Fixy? yes [...] so still somehow, those last mount dates are way wrong. I hope I'm checking the right thing in bios. Its under cmos and shows the time ticking away. You can adjust all columns. with +/-.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: syslog-ng: v2-v3 config issue...
Hi Jarry,
thanks for the detailed info. I have discussed the issue with my
colleagues, and it seems that the error is on our side: there was a
performance-related change in the program-override option in 3.0.4,
which broke the function.
So you can either downgrade to an older version (3.0.3 should work),
or if you want to stick to 3.0.4, you can try to add a rewrite rule to
set the PROGRAM field to teamspeak (which may or may not work in this
case, since the program field seems to be empty in the message -
sorry, I haven't had the time to test it).
Alternatively, you can create a template for this destination and
rebuild the message from macros and add a default value for program
($ISODATE $HOST ${PROGRAM:-teamspeak2} $MESSAGE)
I hope one of these will work for you.
Regards,
Robert
Quoting Jarry mr.ja...@gmail.com:
Fekete Robert wrote:
You are right, the program-override option is missing from the
documentation of the file source, but it should work anyway.
We did a quick test and it was working on our Ubuntu machines (tested
with syslog-ng 3.02a), both on kernel messages and also on custom
files containing log messages.
Well, I'm not sure where is the problem. I'm using syslog-ng-3.0.4
(the last stable version in portage). This is relevant part of my
new /etc/syslog-ng.conf:
options { chain_hostnames(no);
stats_freq(3600);
ts_format(iso);
flush_lines(1);
log_fifo_size(250); };
source s_teamspeak { file(/var/log/teamspeak2-server/server.log
flags(store-legacy-msghdr)
program_override(teamspeak: )
log_fetch_limit(100)
flags(no-parse)); };
destination d_teamspeak { file(/var/log/ts2.log); };
log { source(s_teamspeak); destination(d_teamspeak); };
==
One line in source (/var/log/teamspeak-server/server.log):
04-11-09 16:52:54,ALL,Info... (etc)
Corresponding line in /var/log/ts2.log (that program_override()
is simply missing):
2009-11-04T16:52:54+00:00 talk 04-11-09 16:52:54,ALL,Info...
For comparison, the same part of my syslog-ng v2.x config:
==
options { chain_hostnames(off);
sync(0);
stats(43200);
ts_format(iso); };
source s_teamspeak2 { file(/var/log/teamspeak2-server/server.log
log_prefix(teamspeak2: )
follow_freq(1)
flags(no-parse)); };
destination d_teamspeak { file(/var/log/ts2.log); };
log { source(s_teamspeak); destination(d_teamspeak); };
===
And this is what I got in ts2.log with syslog-ng v2.x:
2009-09-25T18:17:41+00:00 talk teamspeak2: 28-07-09 18:49:39,ALL,Info...
You see the difference?
syslog-ng 2.x: iso-time hostname *log_prefix* message
syslog-ng 3.x: iso-time hostname message
Where is program_override?
v2/v3 config-files are now not absolutely the same but even when
I made them identical (removed fifo_size, fetch_limit, flags, etc)
I still had this problem. And I observed this strange behavior
not only with this particular file() source, but with all file()
sources. So what could be the reason?
Jarry
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: VGA output?
On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 9:47 AM, Grant emailgr...@gmail.com wrote: How are you guys getting your laptops to do VGA output? My system functions fine without an xorg.conf right now. Do I need to create one if I want VGA output? - Grant Actually it works great after a reboot. Is there a better method for switching VGA output on and off than plug/unplug + reboot? Depending on the driver you are dealing with, regular old xrandr from the command-line should do the trick (or a wrapper app like krandrtray that Nikos suggested) HTH- James (A) ;)
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: VGA output?
On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 12:52 PM, Nikos Chantziaras rea...@arcor.de wrote: On 11/04/2009 07:47 PM, Grant wrote: How are you guys getting your laptops to do VGA output? My system functions fine without an xorg.conf right now. Do I need to create one if I want VGA output? - Grant Actually it works great after a reboot. Is there a better method for switching VGA output on and off than plug/unplug + reboot? Might be a shot in the dark, but try krandrtray (it's a KDE app though.) You should get something like this: http://i36.tinypic.com/a1rgqu.png I don't have a second monitor to connect so I can't try, but perhaps it will allow you to enable output to it once you connect it. lxrandr is a bit lighter, standalone capable, but part of the lxde desktop suite. Their wiki page for it: http://wiki.lxde.org/en/LXRandr Odd timing to run across the question, too, since I just realized I'd missed that one on my laptop build here. [ebuild N] lxde-base/lxrandr-0.1.1 193 kB And if you get an error: Unable to get monitor information! Rebuild xrandr. Found that answer in the forum thread below: http://forum.lxde.org/viewtopic.php?f=8t=639 Of course, if you're one for more power over simplicity of use, xrandr itself is more than capable, the rest are just frontends, really. -- Poison [BLX] Joshua M. Murphy
[gentoo-user] Re: sys-libs/db dev-lang/php dependency problem...
On Wed, Nov 04, 2009 at 11:47:41AM +0100, Alex Schuster wrote: I just posted a message (emerge --depclean does not remove due to link level dependencies) due to similar issues. My guess is that php links to some sys-libs/db library, even if db is not a dependency to php. To be correct, if php links to db, db _IS_ a dependency of php. If portage is not aware of this dependency, the _ebuild_ is wrong and miss a declaration for this dependency. -- Nicolas Sebrecht
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Sound card drivers must be modules?
On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 11:30 AM, Grant emailgr...@gmail.com wrote: But I get the warning about Module snd_hda_intel not found which is the built-in chip. That's because you don't have that module, it's built into the kernel. This also means the the options lines in alsa.conf will not do anything. OK, so I need to build them as modules, or I need to change those lines in alsa.conf? If I can avoid building them as modules I'd like to. How can those lines be written when the drivers are built into the kernel? You pass the parameters in the kernel boot line. For examen, in my grub.conf I have: title Gentoo Linux (linux-2.6.31.5) root (hd0,3) kernel /boot/kernel-2.6.31.5 root=/dev/sda4 quiet udev splash=silent,fadein,theme:natural_gentoo CONSOLE=/dev/tty1 iwlagn.swcrypto=1 snd-hda-intel.model=basic initrd /boot/initrd-2.6.31.5 I have two parameters for my built-in modules: for the iwlagn module, the parameter swcrypto=1, and for the snd-hda-intel the parameter model= basic. In general, for a built-in module called module, you pass the parameter parm with value val this way: module.parm=val As of now, in my laptop I have *all* my modules built-in. In other machines, I have modules where there is no other option (like nvidia drivers, LIRC, ndiswrapper, stuff like that). Good luck. -- Canek Peláez Valdés Instituto de Matemáticas Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México
Re: [gentoo-user] NetworkManager and/or WICD
On 11/3/2009 11:16 PM, Iain Buchanan wrote: On Tue, 2009-11-03 at 21:52 -0500, Mike Edenfield wrote: When I attempt to use either of those utilities to get onto my wireless network, the NIC refuses to stay connected to the base station for more than a few seconds at a time. Instead, it continually disassociates and deauthenticates, only for nm/wicd to hop right back on. However, if I manually configure wpa_supplicant for a given SSID and start it via the init script directly, I don't have any such problems. Have you stopped your net.wlan0 script? Also remove it from the default runlevel, and set rc_hotplug=!net.wlan0 !net.eth0 in /etc/rc.conf (if you're using openrc). I hadn't done that initially, but I did this time, and still get the same issue. I'm having trouble determining if the problem is NetworkManager telling the NIC to disassociate, or the NIC telling NetworkManager to disassociate. As long as NetworkManager is running, my dmesg output shows this happening about once every 15 seconds or so (I don't know what any of those status codes mean, or they may help troubleshoot the problem :) ) wlan0: authenticate with AP 00:1e:58:04:1e:ec wlan0: authenticated wlan0: associate with AP 00:1e:58:04:1e:ec wlan0: RX AssocResp from 00:1e:58:04:1e:ec (capab=0x411 status=12 aid=1) wlan0: AP denied association (code=12) wlan0: associate with AP 00:1e:58:04:1e:ec wlan0: RX AssocResp from 00:1e:58:04:1e:ec (capab=0x411 status=12 aid=1) wlan0: AP denied association (code=12) wlan0: associate with AP 00:1e:58:04:1e:ec wlan0: RX AssocResp from 00:1e:58:04:1e:ec (capab=0x411 status=12 aid=1) wlan0: AP denied association (code=12) wlan0: association with AP 00:1e:58:04:1e:ec timed out wlan0: authenticate with AP 00:1e:58:04:1e:ec wlan0: authenticated wlan0: associate with AP 00:1e:58:04:1e:ec wlan0: RX AssocResp from 00:1e:58:04:1e:ec (capab=0x411 status=0 aid=1) wlan0: associated wlan0: disassociated (Reason: 14) wlan0: deauthenticated (Reason: 6) The syslog output from NetworkManager shows basically the same cycle: Nov 04 14:12:11 [NetworkManager] info Activation (wlan0) successful, device activated._ Nov 04 14:12:11 [NetworkManager] info Activation (wlan0) Stage 5 of 5 (IP Configure Commit) complete._ Nov 04 14:12:38 [NetworkManager] info (wlan0): supplicant connection state: completed - disconnected_ Nov 04 14:12:38 [NetworkManager] info (wlan0): supplicant connection state: disconnected - scanning_ Nov 04 14:12:38 [NetworkManager] info (wlan0): supplicant connection state: scanning - disconnected_ Nov 04 14:12:40 [NetworkManager] info (wlan0): supplicant connection state: disconnected - associating_ Nov 04 14:12:41 [NetworkManager] info (wlan0): supplicant connection state: associating - disconnected_ Nov 04 14:12:50 [NetworkManager] info (wlan0): supplicant connection state: disconnected - scanning_ Nov 04 14:12:52 [NetworkManager] info (wlan0): supplicant connection state: scanning - associating_ Nov 04 14:12:52 [NetworkManager] info (wlan0): supplicant connection state: associating - disconnected_ Nov 04 14:12:53 [NetworkManager] info (wlan0): device state change: 8 - 3 (reason 11)_ Nov 04 14:12:53 [NetworkManager] info (wlan0): deactivating device (reason: 11)._ As soon as I stop NetworkManager and start net.wlan0, it jumps onto the AP and stays there for good: wlan0: authenticate with AP 00:1e:58:04:1e:ec wlan0: authenticated wlan0: associate with AP 00:1e:58:04:1e:ec wlan0: RX AssocResp from 00:1e:58:04:1e:ec (capab=0x411 status=0 aid=2) wlan0: associated Additionally, I can't get either applet to actually save settings (like known networks, passwords, etc.) which means that I'm continually interrupted by a prompt for the wireless password. Do you have seahorse (gnome)? Depending on how it's setup, you should only have to provide the master password once for nm to access all your keys. I do have seahorse, and when I first boot up it asks me for the default keyring password and connects to the AP automatically. Every time after that, when the connection bounces, syslog shows: Nov 04 14:13:21 [NetworkManager] info Activation (wlan0/wireless): connection 'Auto Informagration' has security, and secrets exist. No new secrets needed._ but NetworkManager presents the WPA pass phrase dialog anyway. --Mike
[gentoo-user] Re: fsck date problem during boot
On 11/04/2009 10:43 AM, Harry Putnam wrote: Stroller strol...@stellar.eclipse.co.uk writes: On 4 Nov 2009, at 15:45, Harry Putnam wrote: ... Somehow the date of last fsck on /boot is seen as `in the future' so fsck fails on /dev/had1 (/boot). The first thing I would want to check is the motherboard battery. Is the time correct if you reboot and immediately enter BIOS? That was a pretty good help but apparently not all the story. When I checked bios, the clock was exactly 1 hr fast (didn't pick up the end of daylight saving time I guess). Reset the clock and tested with 2 more reboots, each time mounting /boot and fiddling around with files. Each time the same failure occurs. I check bios time again. Its right. Here is the (edited) output form fsck Superblock last mount time (Wed Nov 4 18:05:13 2009, now = Wed Nov 4 12:11:49 2009) is in the future. Fixy? yes [...] ---- ---=--- - Superblock last mount time (Wed Nov 4 18:14:54 2009, now = Wed Nov 4 12:18:01 2009) is in the future. Fixy? yes [...] so still somehow, those last mount dates are way wrong. I hope I'm checking the right thing in bios. Its under cmos and shows the time ticking away. You can adjust all columns. with +/-. Is your bios clock set to UTC, and do you have /etc/localtime pointing to your correct timezone? e.g. /etc/localtime - /usr/share/zoneinfo/PST8PDT. If all that is correct, then I'm guessing the problem will fix itself if you just wait an hour :o)
Re: [gentoo-user] kernel build - back in the soup.
On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 12:49 PM, Dirk Heinrichs dirk.heinri...@online.de wrote: Am Dienstag 03 November 2009 23:29:59 schrieb Harry Putnam: The thing is, I cannot find the culprit. For example, examining the PIIX items in the working kernel and inserting here: Still the (IMHO) best way is to boot a LiveCD, run lspci -vv (two times v) and write down which hardware is detected and which driver is used for it. From that you can directly determine what you need to compile into your kernel. Everything else is guesswork. Hint: menuconfig has a search function (/). You can directly search for the driver name you got from lspci and enable the corresponding option. If you're unsure as to what should be compiled into the kernel and what can be a module, always say Y. You can try M in later iterations. As a rule of thumb: everything you need to access your root fs should get a Y. That is Chipset-(S)ATA harddisk-Filesystem. If it still won't work, you can also post your kernel config and the output of lspci -vv here and somebody will find out what's wrong/missing. HTH... Dirk And on a reasonably new version of pciutils... lcpci -k lists devices and drivers, less extras to dig through. -- Poison [BLX] Joshua M. Murphy
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: VGA output?
James Ausmus wrote: On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 9:47 AM, Grant emailgr...@gmail.com mailto:emailgr...@gmail.com wrote: How are you guys getting your laptops to do VGA output? My system functions fine without an xorg.conf right now. Do I need to create one if I want VGA output? - Grant Actually it works great after a reboot. Is there a better method for switching VGA output on and off than plug/unplug + reboot? Depending on the driver you are dealing with, regular old xrandr from the command-line should do the trick (or a wrapper app like krandrtray that Nikos suggested) HTH- James (A) ;) I use xrandr and do have an xorg.conf; some info I used in the past http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Xorg_RandR_1.2 Typically I use my laptop on a port replicator attached to a VGA. I use windowmaker; after a switch from laptop monitor to vga or vice-versa, I need to restart wm; all through the command-line. -- Valmor
Re: [gentoo-user] kernel build - back in the soup.
trims a bit And on a reasonably new version of pciutils... lcpci -k lists devices and drivers, less extras to dig through. -- Poison [BLX] Joshua M. Murphy That should, of course, be lspci, not lcpci... -- Poison [BLX] Joshua M. Murphy
Re: [gentoo-user] Another angle on hal/xorg thread
Harry Putnam wrote: If my setup using no hal, and xorg.conf is going to become outdated and stop working anytime soon? I seriously doubt the xorg.conf is going away in the foreseeable future so I wouldn't worry. I haven't heard any of the developers on xorg mail list talking about this either (I may have missed an email or two but...). Best regards Peter K
Re: [gentoo-user] hal, how to chose between nvidia and nv
Dale schrieb: Arnau Bria wrote: or try xorg with no hal support. Thanks for your replies! I can tell you that using xorg without hal works. I gave up on hal a while back. If you want to know how to get rid of hal support, just let us know or search the archives. I would also like to know ... oh yes.
[gentoo-user] Re: Konqueror 4.3.1 crashed X
On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 10:02:41PM -0400, Philip Webb wrote: Has anyone else seen anything like this ? Using Konqueror 4.3.1 , I entered Ctl-Shift-Rightarrow to move a tab X vanished ! I don't remember that happening with any app in recent years. First of all, is it reproducible ? -- Nicolas Sebrecht
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: kernel build - back in the soup.
Harry Putnam wrote: I think you can say make `oldconfig' and the `old config' is supposed to be incorporated so no I didn't The 'oldconfig' option needs your old .config for input (that where old comes from :-) I usually manually go through the 'make menuconfig' as well after doing this to see if there's anything I want to change, new options that may be useful or read up on (help text for the various options usually give you a nice hint)... Do you know where the man pages or docs for that stuff is .. its not in `man make' Make is a general build tool and not specific to the kernel. The option 'oldconfig' and friends are defined in the Makefile in the /linux directory... Best regards Peter K
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: syslog-ng: v2-v3 config issue...
frob...@balabit.hu wrote: thanks for the detailed info. I have discussed the issue with my colleagues, and it seems that the error is on our side: there was a performance-related change in the program-override option in 3.0.4, which broke the function. Hi Robert, thanks for reply. I will notify gentoo syslog-ng package maintaner and ask him to include 3.0.3 so that I could downgrade, because right now 3.0.4 is the only 3.x in portage... BR, Jarry -- ___ This mailbox accepts e-mails only from selected mailing-lists! Everything else is considered to be spam and therefore deleted.
[gentoo-user] Re: Strange sunbird segfault
On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 10:35:04PM -0700, Jim Cunning wrote: jcunn...@jlc64 ~ $ sunbird Xlib: extension Generic Event Extension missing on display :0.0. /usr/libexec/mozilla-launcher: line 119: 25986 Segmentation fault $(type -P aoss) $mozbin $xulparams $@ sunbird-bin exited with non-zero status (139) ... Anyone have any suggestions where to look when sunbird segfaults again? segmentation faults should never happen. They are mainly due to mistakes in the source code. The best thing to do is to check if this is an already known bug at Gentoo and the sundbird project. If no, you could send a bug report. -- Nicolas Sebrecht
[gentoo-user] Re: Java and glsa-check
On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 02:33:44PM +0800, William Kenworthy wrote: Yet 1.5.0.20 is supposed to be unaffected. Is this the slotting issue bug 106677 is talking about? Looks like, yes. -- Nicolas Sebrecht
[gentoo-user] Re: Eclipse 3.4-r2
On Mon, Nov 02, 2009 at 12:33:09AM +, Hung Dang wrote: I installed Eclipse 3.4 on my system and I could be able to enable Classic Update under Window Preferences General Capabilities. Then I try to update Eclipse using Help Software Updates Find and Update dialog, however, nothing happened when I clicked Next button. Any idea? Update a software using any embedded option in it is definetly not a good way to do things in Unix systems. Programs with such menu entry are usually multi-platform softwares. This is the less worse way to update softwares in OS lacking a true package manager. -- Nicolas Sebrecht
[gentoo-user] need sound to listen to a adobe flash video
Hello, I would appreciate some guidance in getting sound working such that I can listen to an adobe flash video. I am using firefox (have the adobe flash plugin installed which plays video but no sound) and a pretty updated gentoo laptop. Thanks in advance. -- Valmor PS: never tried to get sound working.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Another angle on hal/xorg thread
Harry Putnam wrote: Alex Schuster wo...@wonkology.org writes: Strange. Is hal still in your USE flags? It is not really neded, but I think it's nice to have - maybe not for x.org, but for other things like automounting devices. Here's the list of my packages that need HAL: I didn't tell quite all of it. Hal was not in my useflags (by my hand) until this last upgrade (two days ago). In the course of events I saw hal pop up in the output of emerge -vuDp world. I'd already noticed hal was not on my system for a while now... so quickly added `-hal' to /etc/make.conf. So from here on, its no mystery why I don't have hal. But before the last upgrade, I don't recall having done anything explicit about hal to remove it. And had gone through several upgrades without hal popping up. It may be the profile you are using. It may not have hal enabled for some reason therefore nothing was pulling it in. Me, if everything is working fine, I would leave hal out. I have seriously considered adding -hal to make.conf and seeing what happens. It just sort of tastes bad after all the hal problems I have had. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Lenovo USB Keyboard
On Tue, Nov 03, 2009 at 11:23:56AM +0100, Penguin Lover Stefan G. Weichinger squawked: Stefan G. Weichinger schrieb: I still get no output/event for those upper seven keys ... oh my. At least I got a cleaned up xorg.conf for now ;-) It ain't that important although I would like to see them working, it's a bit hard to understand that issues like this don't just work as well. Just to point that out: I am still interested in a solution if anyone I have an Acer multimedia keyboard. I use xbindkeys to set the actions related to multimedia keys. Below is a snip of my .xbindkeysrc -rc-- amixer sset Headphone 1- m:0x0 + c:174 amixer sset Headphone 1+ m:0x0 + c:176 amixer sset Headphone toggle m:0x0 + c:160 mpc stop m:0x0 + c:164 mpc toggle m:0x0 + c:162 mpc prev m:0x0 + c:144 mpc next m:0x0 + c:153 mpc repeat m:0x4 + c:144 mpc random m:0x4 + c:153 xscreensaver-command -lock m:0x0 + c:223 rxvt -T 'Mutt' -e /usr/bin/mutt m:0x0 + c:236 /usr/local/bin/crxvt -T 'cMutt' -e /usr/bin/mutt m:0x4 + c:236 /usr/local/bin/jrxvt -T 'jMutt' -e /usr/bin/mutt m:0x8 + c:236 --end rc--- As you can see, keycodes 174 annd 176 are volumes up and down, 160 is the mute button, 164, 162 are stop and play/pause, 144 and 153 are REW and FF, which I doubled up with meta keys to get other features. 223 is the screen saver key. And 236 is the e-mail key. I've quite forgotten how I found these keycodes. But some of them are quasi standard (I've seen the codes for volume and music player work on other keyboards, including Dell laptops). On my old laptop I used to use a different solution: I think I mapped the appropriate keycodes to the XF86VolumeUp and similar keys and then mapped those key events using the WM. I can try to dig out the old config if you'd like. HTH, W -- Marten: That's like rule number one of dating-if the lady tells you she wants to wait, you wait. Even if it means you get blueballed so hard your nuts travel into the future due to relativistic effects. Dora: Ah, the Hawking Libido Dilation Effect. Bane of frustrated young men and physicists alike. Sortir en Pantoufles: up 1062 days, 21:17
Re: [gentoo-user] need sound to listen to a adobe flash video
Valmor de Almeida wrote: Hello, I would appreciate some guidance in getting sound working such that I can listen to an adobe flash video. I am using firefox (have the adobe flash plugin installed which plays video but no sound) and a pretty updated gentoo laptop. Thanks in advance. -- Valmor PS: never tried to get sound working. Try lspci -v and see if the sounds card is using a driver. If it is, then the kernel is working and it is recognizing the sound card. This is what mine looks like: 01:0a.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Live! EMU10k1 (rev 0a) Subsystem: Creative Labs SBLive! 5.1 eMicro 28028 Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 32, IRQ 18 I/O ports at b000 [size=32] Capabilities: [dc] Power Management version 1 Kernel driver in use: EMU10K1_Audigy The last line is what you look for. If you see something like that then it could be as simple as the sound is muted. I have no idea why but as a general rule, the sound is muted when you install. I use KDE so I had to unmute with Kmix and alsamixer to get mine working. If it doesn't show a driver in use, then you have to either build a module or a new kernel if you want it built in. In that case, let us know what kind of sound card you have. The output from lspci would be great. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Sound card drivers must be modules?
On Wednesday 04 November 2009 20:02:03 Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 11:30 AM, Grant emailgr...@gmail.com wrote: But I get the warning about Module snd_hda_intel not found which is the built-in chip. That's because you don't have that module, it's built into the kernel. This also means the the options lines in alsa.conf will not do anything. OK, so I need to build them as modules, or I need to change those lines in alsa.conf? If I can avoid building them as modules I'd like to. How can those lines be written when the drivers are built into the kernel? You pass the parameters in the kernel boot line. For examen, in my grub.conf I have: title Gentoo Linux (linux-2.6.31.5) root (hd0,3) kernel /boot/kernel-2.6.31.5 root=/dev/sda4 quiet udev splash=silent,fadein,theme:natural_gentoo CONSOLE=/dev/tty1 iwlagn.swcrypto=1 snd-hda-intel.model=basic initrd /boot/initrd-2.6.31.5 I have two parameters for my built-in modules: for the iwlagn module, the parameter swcrypto=1, and for the snd-hda-intel the parameter model= basic. In general, for a built-in module called module, you pass the parameter parm with value val this way: module.parm=val As of now, in my laptop I have *all* my modules built-in. In other machines, I have modules where there is no other option (like nvidia drivers, LIRC, ndiswrapper, stuff like that). I used to have my alsa drivers which are different to the OP, built in the kernel. For years on end. Then alsasound stop working - something like 5 kernels back, can't recall exactly. I had to build alsa separately as modules. Haven't tried to go back to building them in the kernel again. YMMV. -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: kernel build - back in the soup.
Harry Putnam wrote: John H. Moe john...@optusnet.com.au writes: I stopped using that option in my systems, as there is now a AHCI SATA option to use instead. It appears CONFIG_ATA_SFF (which CONFIG_ATA_PIIX requires) is deprecated. From the help on it: Do you notice some kind of difference from switching? Well, my understanding is that SATA controllers can operate in one of two modes: AHCI (or native) mode, which allows for the full capabilities (read: SPEED) of the SATA interface, and an IDE-compatible mode, for things like Windows XP (which I use at work) that doesn't, by default, understand SATA. If you try to load WinXP on to a PC with SATA, you either have to switch the SATA controller to IDE-mode, which allows WinXP to see it as a normal IDE hard drive, or load a SATA driver at install time (from a floppy! One of the few things I still need 3.5 floppies for). Translating this to Linux (at home), I chose the AHCI option when it showed up in one kernel upgrade, and when I saw in the help for ATA_SFF that it's the legacy IDE interface, I figured I didn't need it, so I left it out. So if I understand this correctly, you should use the AHCI option if your SATA controller is in AHCI or Native mode, and the ATA_SFF option if you're in IDE or Compatible mode. Hope this helps (and makes sense) John Moe
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: New KDE4 option: night of the week for strip club attendance WTF?
A guess would be it puts a reminder for a weekly occurrence, like going to the strip club! ;-) But of course, you are right, in the end :-) Zeerak On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 17:55:46 +0100, Nikos Chantziaras rea...@arcor.de wrote: On 11/04/2009 06:24 PM, Zeerak Waseem wrote: On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 17:19:16 +0100, Nikos Chantziaras rea...@arcor.de wrote: snip Those pesky translators! I'd say they managed to be just a little funny :-) I find it funny too, but the problem is that the user has no idea what the option actually does then.
Re: [gentoo-user] New KDE4 option: night of the week for strip club attendance WTF?
On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 19:15:52 +0100, Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote: On Mittwoch 04 November 2009, Erik wrote: Stroller skrev: On 4 Nov 2009, at 13:22, Neil Bothwick wrote: ... There are four options here, first day of week, first working day of week, last working day of week and day of the week for religious observance. It would appear your locale uses a different translation! I am torn as whether to find this funny or improper. Only when I know what it's supposed to say I really like the joke that both are equally important. Why indeed give religious observance a higher priority?!?! I have encountered arguments like this: Yes, there's a setting for that in the country/region settings module but if you're not interested in it, it won't bother you. If you are, you can have kontact or the calendar plasmoid show those days as special. That's it. Sounds unproblematic to me. My point is of course that in my desktop environment, I do not want an option for either strip club attendance, religious observance, or anything else that someone else might want to do once a week. I would prefer to keep the desktop environment neutral (secular) by default. If there is indeed a need for such an option to make sundays red in the calendar, it would be more proper to call it sometning more neutral, like Weekly holiday, Ceremonial weekday or Special weekday. The user can then let that mean lap dance, prayer, family dinner, hiking, hacking or whatever he may be interested in. Yes, I know that holiday sounds like holy day, but it still feels broader than relious observance. According to wikipedia, a holiday can mean among other things official or unofficial observances of religious, national, or cultural significance. So the phrase Weekly holiday covers the current meaning of the KDE option, but is meaningful even to secular people. Therefore changing the phrase would make KDE usage more acceptable in secular countries and by secular people. sounds like PC crap. Sundays are marked special, because most people don't have to work. Shops are closed and stuff like that. There is no need to bring in religion. Well there really is. God rested on the seventh day, and therefore no labor was tolerated on the seventh day of the week, Sunday. People not working on Sundays, is traditionally to make time for going to church, but in a society without God, it has been kept because it's nice to have a set day off, every week. And in societies that aren't Christian the Sunday free day has been kept for either the resting day of God, or because of that being the standard around the world. So really, there's every need to bring in religion into the consideration, if one was to make a serious consideration of how this might be acceptable to everyone. Zeerak
