Re: [gentoo-user] Re: log messages
On Wednesday 17 February 2010 08:49:28 Harry Putnam wrote: I have caught the freeze in the early stages before completely losing the network when just mouse and keyboard became unresponsive, was able to ssh in and noticed that restarting hald held off the freeze for some (again unspecified) amount of time. So cutting the lengthy narrative down a bit, and briefly put, I'm looking for anything unusual that is causing this. The hdc messages is the only odd thing I'm seeing. Something appears to be jamming up the hal layer somehow, but not leaving findable tracks. At least not findable by an someone with many yrs experience with linux but not much real debugging of complicated problems under his belt. You say the box runs ssh, implying that other hosts are nearby, so what I would suggest is to configure your syslogger to send all logs to another host and have that host write them to a known location. I find that machines that freeze often still send logs to syslog properly right up to the moment of the freeze, but these do not get written to disk as IO is blocked. Then we restart the box, guaranteeing that the logs are lost :-) Remote logging and just leave it till the machine freezes again will hopefully give you the useful logs you need to identify the problem. To save disk space you can configure logrotate on the remote logger to delete the previous days stuff - you don't need logs from days where the box was working fine. Another option is to look at the pattern here: one day out of the blue a stable system developed problems and they still surface at random times. This is one of the characteristics of failing hardware. Have you done a full thorough hardware test, including such things as memtest and smart? -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] Can't hear anything. :-(
Hi, Robin, On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 11:56:53PM +0700, Robin Atwood wrote: On Tuesday 16 February 2010, Alan Mackenzie wrote: Hi, gentoo, I'm trying to get sound to sound on my new Gentoo box, following the Gentoo Linux ALSA Guide. Everything seems to be working fine, except no sound is coming out of my loudspeakers. I've checked the obvious things: the speakers are plugged in, switched on and connected to the appropriate socket on my motherboard (the light green one). I have drivers for my motherboard's sound chips compiled into my kernel, and they are correctly identified by alsamixer. With alsamixer I've unmuted various things and turned up the volume. madplay appears to play an mp3 file I have. Just that no actual sound comes out. One other strange thing: the titles under the volume bars in alsamixer are very different from the ones in the document: Instead of Master / Headphone / Tone / Bass / Treble / 3D Contr / PCM, I've got Master / Headphon / Front / Front Mi / Surround / Center / LFE / Side / Line / Mic / Mic Boos / S/PDIF / S/PDIF D / Beep. Why is this? In particular, I'm missing the PCM volume bar which the documentation says is so important to unmute. What am I missing here? Thanks in advance! I had a similar problem with an Audigy (CA0106) card. If depends if you have analogue or digital speakers. If they are analog the S/PDIF slider must be *muted* or there is no sound. This is counter-intuitive since one's first action with Alsa is to unmute everything! I believe the speakers are analogue, but I don't know for sure - there's nothing in any documentation to say so, and I couldn't find anything relevant on the net. They're a pair of Altec Lansing expressionist BASS, black desk standing speakers that look a bit like daleks (mechanical badies from the british science fiction series Doctor Who). I've set both S/PDIF and S/PDIF Default PCM to muted. No joy. HTH -Robin -- Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).
Re: [gentoo-user] Can't hear anything. :-(
Hi, Mark,
On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 04:20:53PM -0800, Mark Knecht wrote:
On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 6:54 AM, Alan Mackenzie a...@muc.de wrote:
Hi, gentoo,
I'm trying to get sound to sound on my new Gentoo box, following the
Gentoo Linux ALSA Guide. Everything seems to be working fine, except
no sound is coming out of my loudspeakers.
I've checked the obvious things: the speakers are plugged in, switched
on and connected to the appropriate socket on my motherboard (the light
green one).
I have drivers for my motherboard's sound chips compiled into my kernel,
and they are correctly identified by alsamixer. With alsamixer I've
unmuted various things and turned up the volume.
madplay appears to play an mp3 file I have. Just that no actual sound
comes out.
One other strange thing: the titles under the volume bars in alsamixer
are very different from the ones in the document: Instead of Master /
Headphone / Tone / Bass / Treble / 3D Contr / PCM, I've got Master /
Headphon / Front / Front Mi / Surround / Center / LFE / Side / Line /
Mic / Mic Boos / S/PDIF / S/PDIF D / Beep. Why is this? In
particular, I'm missing the PCM volume bar which the documentation
says is so important to unmute.
What am I missing here?
Thanks in advance!
--
Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).
Did you get this worked out yet?
Not yet, no.
VERY strange that you don't see pcm as a mixer control...
I've got alsamixer 1.0.21. Could it be that it choses its controls
according to the capabilities of the sound card?
It's a bit hard to say much with so little info but I'll offer a
couple of things:
1) IMO Alsa has never run so well when drivers are compiled into the
kernel. I do a lot of audio in Linux and have always had the best
results using modules. I would strongly suggest you give it a try...
Oh deity! I was hoping not to have to do this. I've never used modules
before, since they are (or were) an unnecessary complication, and might
introduce security risks. Maybe I'll have to read up on this.
2) Under /proc/asound/card0 (or whatever card you are using if you
have more than 1) do you see any pcm directories?
# ls /proc/asound/card0
codec#0 id oss_mixer pcm0c pcm0p pcm1p pcm2c
, so yes, I can see some pcm directories.
3) Post back a little more info?
cat /proc/asound/cards
0 [SB ]: HDA-Intel - HDA ATI SB
HDA ATI SB at 0xfbcf8000 irq 16
1 [HDMI ]: HDA-Intel - HDA ATI HDMI
HDA ATI HDMI at 0xfbffc000 irq 19
aplay -l
List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices
card 0: SB [HDA ATI SB], device 0: ALC1200 Analog [ALC1200 Analog]
Subdevices: 1/1
Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
card 0: SB [HDA ATI SB], device 1: ALC1200 Digital [ALC1200 Digital]
Subdevices: 1/1
Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
card 1: HDMI [HDA ATI HDMI], device 3: ATI HDMI [ATI HDMI]
Subdevices: 1/1
Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
aplay -L
default:CARD=SB
HDA ATI SB, ALC1200 Analog
Default Audio Device
front:CARD=SB,DEV=0
HDA ATI SB, ALC1200 Analog
Front speakers
surround40:CARD=SB,DEV=0
HDA ATI SB, ALC1200 Analog
4.0 Surround output to Front and Rear speakers
surround41:CARD=SB,DEV=0
HDA ATI SB, ALC1200 Analog
4.1 Surround output to Front, Rear and Subwoofer speakers
surround50:CARD=SB,DEV=0
HDA ATI SB, ALC1200 Analog
5.0 Surround output to Front, Center and Rear speakers
surround51:CARD=SB,DEV=0
HDA ATI SB, ALC1200 Analog
5.1 Surround output to Front, Center, Rear and Subwoofer speakers
surround71:CARD=SB,DEV=0
HDA ATI SB, ALC1200 Analog
7.1 Surround output to Front, Center, Side, Rear and Woofer speakers
iec958:CARD=SB,DEV=0
HDA ATI SB, ALC1200 Digital
IEC958 (S/PDIF) Digital Audio Output
null
Discard all samples (playback) or generate zero samples (capture)
hdmi:CARD=HDMI
HDA ATI HDMI, ATI HDMI
HDMI Audio Output
lsmod
Opening /proc/modules: No such file or directory
Good luck,
Thanks!
Mark
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[gentoo-user] Problem with installation kde-meta, gnome
Hello,
I am newbie to Gentoo. I yesterday install it and uff it works :-).
Today I try to install kde on amd64 architecture but I obtain error. I do the
following:
# emerge --sync
# emerge kde-meta
* Error: circular dependencies:
('ebuild','/','devel-util/cmake-2.6.4-r3','merge') depends on
('ebuild','/','x11-libs/qt-gui-4.5.3-r2','merge') (buildtime)
end so on
If I want to install gnome, but I obtain similar error but different packages
are affected.
# emerge gnome
* Error: circular dependencies:
('ebuild','/','x11-libs/qt-gui-4.5.3-r2','merge') depends on
('ebuild','/','net-print/cups-1.3.11-r1','merge') (buildtime)
I try also as is pointed here:
http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/desktop/kde/kde4-guide.xml
do the following:
# emerge -av kde-meta:4.3
but this also didn't work (error this same as earlier).
So what is going on here. How I can install the kde-meta? Could someone help
me or point me to the right direction. Thank you in advance for your time. If
you need more information I send it to you.
Best wishes,
Andrzej
PS. I'm sorry if this e-mail was sent the second time. I sent it first from
kmail
on my Debian box, but I do not get any response. Now I sent it from web page.
Re: [gentoo-user] Dual booting Dell with Windows 7
On 15 February 2010 23:45, Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote: On Saturday 13 February 2010 17:13:51 Willie Wong wrote: On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 03:09:35PM +, Mick wrote: I bought a Dell XPS laptop which seems to have 3 primary partitions. The third partition is where Windows 7 resides, while the second partition is flagged as bootable. The first partition contains some Dell (recovery) tools. I am lead to believe that the second partition is the back up partition and is meant to be used to restore the OS in the third partition. This confuses me a bit - shouldn't the third partition which houses the OS be flagged as bootable instead? Take a look at this http://lifehacker.com/5403100/dual+boot-windows-7-and-ubuntu-in-perfect-har mony Apparently you can now re-size online partitions with Windows 7 itself. Google also suggests you can chainload Windows 7 in the usual way using grub. Thank you both for your replies. If I were to choose GRUB to chainload W7 what should I point it to? Dell's partition 2 which has the boot flag, or the main W7 OS partition 3? If I were to use W7's NTLDR equivalent - whatever this technology might be - will I be able to chainload GRUB from it? -- Regards, Mick Take a look at EasyBCD: http://neosmart.net/forums/showthread.php?t=642 The latest betas of version 2 allow you to use the Vista/Win7 bootloader to chainload grub and so boot linux. Its pretty easy to setup aswell as all you do is tell it to add an entry to your bootloader and then direct it to your /boot partition that has grub installed. Of course its not as pretty as some of the things you can do in grub/grub2, but it does work. The only downside is that you need to register on their forums in order to download the latest betas :( - Nick -- Pablo Picassohttp://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/p/pablo_picasso.html - Computers are useless. They can only give you answers.
Re: [gentoo-user] Problem with installation kde-meta, gnome
On Wednesday 17 February 2010 11:25:25 Andzrzej Styczeń wrote: Hello, I am newbie to Gentoo. I yesterday install it and uff it works :-). Today I try to install kde on amd64 architecture but I obtain error. I do the following: # emerge --sync # emerge kde-meta * Error: circular dependencies: Wait about one day, sync again, and retry. Chances are good the maintainer will have spotted the circular deps and fixed them. There's not much you can do about it on your end. With experience, it's possible to adjust one of the packages to break the circular dep, then reinstall then one at a time in the correct order. You have used Gentoo for one day, this would not be an appropriate thing for you to attempt. Easier to wait a bit. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] Dual booting Dell with Windows 7
On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 06:58:16AM +, Mick wrote: On Wednesday 17 February 2010 01:12:08 Peter Humphrey wrote: On Monday 15 February 2010 23:45:23 Mick wrote: If I were to [tell] GRUB to chainload W7 [which} should I point it to? Dell's partition 2 which has the boot flag, or the main W7 OS partition 3? The one with W7 on it, I should have thought, as that's the one you want to start. Why not just try it? And when you find out which partition is which, why not set the bootable flag on the right one? I.e. the one with grub in it. I am not sure that I would want to do this. I recall that MSWindows used to be and it possible still is rather sensitive with needing the boot flag on its partition. Linux on the other hand is a more advanced OS which does not care where the boot flag is. If you were to go with the GRUB - W7 route, I don't think just trying out the two configurations (don't change boot flags, just try each partition) would've hurt. The worst that I can imagine is an error thrown about OS not found. Nope. I mean use the Windows 7 bootloader as the primary bootloader to chainload GRUB from the Gentoo partition. The MSWindows stays in the MBR as it is now, the GRUB is installed in the Gentoo /boot partition. MSWindows bootloader chainloads GRUB. I wish you good luck with your project. PPS. I am making some progress with this (at least in terms of googling) and will report back as soon as I have achieved this MSWindows -- chainloading -- Gentoo thing. Please do write a page on the Wiki (or at least a summary of what you did to this mailing list). This will be some handy information to have. Cheers, W -- Willie W. Wong ww...@math.princeton.edu Data aequatione quotcunque fluentes quantitae involvente fluxiones invenire et vice versa ~~~ I. Newton
Re: [gentoo-user] Problem with installation kde-meta, gnome
On Wednesday 17 of February 2010 10:58:53 Alan McKinnon wrote: Wait about one day, sync again, and retry. Chances are good the maintainer will have spotted the circular deps and fixed them. There's not much you can do about it on your end. With experience, it's possible to adjust one of the packages to break the circular dep, then reinstall then one at a time in the correct order. You have used Gentoo for one day, this would not be an appropriate thing for you to attempt. Easier to wait a bit. Thank you. I will try tomorrow. Andrzej
[gentoo-user] Find out what emerge is up to in a large number of installations.
If emerge has a large number of installs to do, for example, during a world update, and I am in a tty, how would I find which one emerge is up to?
Re: [gentoo-user] Find out what emerge is up to in a large number of installations.
On 02/16/2010 06:56 PM, ubiquitous1980 wrote: If emerge has a large number of installs to do, for example, during a world update, and I am in a tty, how would I find which one emerge is up to? Not sure if I understand your question, but you possibly want to take a look at /var/log/emerge.log -- PGP key @ http://pgpkeys.pca.dfn.de/pks/lookup?search=0xBB9D4887op=get # gpg --recv-keys --keyserver hkp://subkeys.pgp.net 0xBB9D4887 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?
On 17 February 2010 00:12, Volker Armin Hemmann you want dependency nightmare? openoffice depends on libwpd libwpd depends on libgsf libgsf pulls gconf in. I don't need wordperfect, I don't want gnome. No way to get rid of that crap. I know. :-( Even basic libs are pulling in tons of gnome crap today. Why? KDE does not infest low level stuff. If you don't want KDE stuff, you don't have to install it. But thanks to some §§$$%§$@ even low level libs and apps pull in that shit today. If freedesktop wouldn't be that sick joke it is, such behaviour wouldn't be. One more reason why over the years I gravitated towards using KDE apps and staying away from Gnome. I think that a maturing Linux has inevitably become heavier in terms of DEs and dependencies. Even on my new laptop I will be staying away from Gnome as a DE and am thinking of giving LXDE a spin, to see if it is any better than Fluxbox. -- Regards, Mick
Re: [gentoo-user] copy-paste no longer works with (g)vim + OpenOffice
100216 Willie Wong wrote:
On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 03:45:30PM -0500, Philip Webb wrote:
I have updated to the latest stable (G)vim 7.2.303
suddenly can no longer copy+paste from Vim into Open Office:
it doesn't work at all with Gvim unpredictably with Vim in a Konsole.
I can copy+paste from Most in a Konsole to Open Office as usual.
This is on the Fluxbox desktop with Unicode a generally reliable system.
Which copy+paste? high-light with mouse and middle click to paste?
Yes: are there other methods ? -- it also doesn't work
if I high-light with 'v' the (left-)arrow key(s).
Can you copy and paste from (g)vim to another Konsole?
Yes, no problem.
To any other application?
Yes, to Leafpad, Kwrite, (Xfce) Terminal Xterm.
What use-flag did you compile (g)vim with?
root:502 ~ eix gvim
[I] app-editors/gvim
Available versions: 7.0.235 ~7.0.243 7.1.123 ~7.1.330 7.2.182 ~7.2.264
7.2.303 ~7.2.359 {acl aqua bash-completion cscope debug gnome gpm gtk motif
netbeans nextaw nls perl python ruby}
Installed versions: 7.2.303([2010-02-15 16:38:53])(gpm gtk motif perl
python -acl -aqua -bash-completion -cscope -debug -gnome -netbeans -nextaw -nls
-ruby)
OO was compiled with :
root:503 ~ eix openoffice
[I] app-office/openoffice
Installed versions: 3.1.1([2010-02-15 15:12:54])(cups dbus gstreamer gtk
java kde nsplugin opengl -aqua -bash-completion -binfilter -debug -eds
-elibc_FreeBSD -gnome -kdeenablefinal -ldap -linguas_af ... -linguas_zu -mono
-odk -pam -templates)
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Re: [gentoo-user] Can't hear anything. :-(
Hello Alan, Alan Mackenzie a...@muc.de writes: Did you get this worked out yet? Not yet, no. VERY strange that you don't see pcm as a mixer control... I've got alsamixer 1.0.21. Could it be that it choses its controls according to the capabilities of the sound card? It's a bit hard to say much with so little info but I'll offer a couple of things: 1) IMO Alsa has never run so well when drivers are compiled into the kernel. I do a lot of audio in Linux and have always had the best results using modules. I would strongly suggest you give it a try... Oh deity! I was hoping not to have to do this. I've never used modules before, since they are (or were) an unnecessary complication, and might introduce security risks. Maybe I'll have to read up on this. 2) Under /proc/asound/card0 (or whatever card you are using if you have more than 1) do you see any pcm directories? # ls /proc/asound/card0 codec#0 id oss_mixer pcm0c pcm0p pcm1p pcm2c , so yes, I can see some pcm directories. 3) Post back a little more info? cat /proc/asound/cards 0 [SB ]: HDA-Intel - HDA ATI SB HDA ATI SB at 0xfbcf8000 irq 16 1 [HDMI ]: HDA-Intel - HDA ATI HDMI HDA ATI HDMI at 0xfbffc000 irq 19 aplay -l List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices card 0: SB [HDA ATI SB], device 0: ALC1200 Analog [ALC1200 Analog] Subdevices: 1/1 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 card 0: SB [HDA ATI SB], device 1: ALC1200 Digital [ALC1200 Digital] Subdevices: 1/1 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 card 1: HDMI [HDA ATI HDMI], device 3: ATI HDMI [ATI HDMI] Subdevices: 1/1 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 aplay -L default:CARD=SB HDA ATI SB, ALC1200 Analog Default Audio Device front:CARD=SB,DEV=0 HDA ATI SB, ALC1200 Analog Front speakers surround40:CARD=SB,DEV=0 HDA ATI SB, ALC1200 Analog 4.0 Surround output to Front and Rear speakers surround41:CARD=SB,DEV=0 HDA ATI SB, ALC1200 Analog 4.1 Surround output to Front, Rear and Subwoofer speakers surround50:CARD=SB,DEV=0 HDA ATI SB, ALC1200 Analog 5.0 Surround output to Front, Center and Rear speakers surround51:CARD=SB,DEV=0 HDA ATI SB, ALC1200 Analog 5.1 Surround output to Front, Center, Rear and Subwoofer speakers surround71:CARD=SB,DEV=0 HDA ATI SB, ALC1200 Analog 7.1 Surround output to Front, Center, Side, Rear and Woofer speakers iec958:CARD=SB,DEV=0 HDA ATI SB, ALC1200 Digital IEC958 (S/PDIF) Digital Audio Output null Discard all samples (playback) or generate zero samples (capture) hdmi:CARD=HDMI HDA ATI HDMI, ATI HDMI HDMI Audio Output lsmod Opening /proc/modules: No such file or directory I have Intel HDA and load the necessary drivers as modules. I had to add some stuff to the module configuration to get sound from my card, which is: pyrope ~ $ aplay -l List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices card 0: Headset [Logitech USB Headset], device 0: USB Audio [USB Audio] Subdevices: 1/1 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 card 1: Intel [HDA Intel], device 0: ALC885 Analog [ALC885 Analog] Subdevices: 1/1 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 card 1: Intel [HDA Intel], device 1: ALC885 Digital [ALC885 Digital] Subdevices: 1/1 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 It was the ALC885 that was troublesome to get going. Have a look in /usr/src/linux/Documentation/sound/alsa/ at the HD*.txt for information. Good luck, Roger
Re: [gentoo-user] Problem with installation kde-meta, gnome
On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 10:25:25 +0100, Andzrzej Styczeń wrote:
* Error: circular dependencies:
('ebuild','/','devel-util/cmake-2.6.4-r3','merge') depends on
('ebuild','/','x11-libs/qt-gui-4.5.3-r2','merge') (buildtime)
qt-gui needs cmake to build, but you have set the qt4 USE flag, so cmake
needs QT to build, hence the circular dependency.
USE=-qt4 emerge --oneshot cmake
will temporarily build cmake without QT support, allowing it to build
first.
--
Neil Bothwick
There's no such thing as a free lunch
___Steve Ballmer, choking on a linuxburger
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Re: [gentoo-user] Find out what emerge is up to in a large number of installations.
On Tue, 16 Feb 2010 17:56:07 +, ubiquitous1980 wrote: If emerge has a large number of installs to do, for example, during a world update, and I am in a tty, how would I find which one emerge is up to? emerge genlop genlop -c -- Neil Bothwick If you don't pay your exorcist, you get repossessed. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-user] Rethinking binfmts [WAS: How the HAL are you supposed to use these files?]
Alan McKinnon wrote: Why is ELF so prone to bloat (or more accurately why do so many compilers generate such large libs?) Yes, that's an really good question. ELF has many things, that are IMHO not really necessary or shouldn't even be used. For example, debugging information doesnt need to exist within the binary itself. An external file would be fine, too, and allows removing them by standard file operations. Another redundant thing is exec()'ing the dynamic linker from userland: the kernel could load it along with the usual segments. There could even be a default kernel-land dynamic linker (for the 99.9% cases where no special linker is needed), it could cache a lot of stuff. If I were to design a new binfmt, it would look like this: * Magic + file size + file hash * userland linker filename (may be empty) * 4x segment descriptor: - packed-size, real-size, offset, encoding (compression,etc) - #0: code, #1: data, #2: symbol table, #3: unused * imports-list: virtual library name + namespace-id * entry point (relative to code segment) * symbol table (possibly compressed) * [.. segment data ..] ... All binaries would be libraries (no distinction at all), everything's relocatable, entry points are executed in the from leafs to root of the dependency tree. cu -- -- Enrico Weigelt, metux IT service -- http://www.metux.de/ cellphone: +49 174 7066481 email: i...@metux.de skype: nekrad666 -- Embedded-Linux / Portierung / Opensource-QM / Verteilte Systeme --
[gentoo-user] silly daylight saving [WAS: Running xsane]
Peter Humphrey wrote: Outside USA we have no illusions of saving time by adjusting our clocks. When it comes to politicians, I'm not quite that sure. Over here in Germany, there're lots of them who still believe in that insane idea of messing up the clocks would bring anything but useless hassle. I really wonder if there's some hidden lobby which benefits from this crap or it's really just stupidity ;-O cu -- -- Enrico Weigelt, metux IT service -- http://www.metux.de/ cellphone: +49 174 7066481 email: i...@metux.de skype: nekrad666 -- Embedded-Linux / Portierung / Opensource-QM / Verteilte Systeme --
Re: [gentoo-user] Dual booting Dell with Windows 7
On Wednesday 17 February 2010 06:58:16 Mick wrote: Nope. I mean use the Windows 7 bootloader as the primary bootloader to chainload GRUB from the Gentoo partition. The MSWindows stays in the MBR as it is now, the GRUB is installed in the Gentoo /boot partition. MSWindows bootloader chainloads GRUB. Ah, I see. I haven't heard of anyone doing it that way round before. -- Rgds Peter.
[gentoo-user] Re: Can't hear anything. :-(
On 02/17/2010 11:15 AM, Alan Mackenzie wrote: On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 04:20:53PM -0800, Mark Knecht wrote: [...] 1) IMO Alsa has never run so well when drivers are compiled into the kernel. I do a lot of audio in Linux and have always had the best results using modules. I would strongly suggest you give it a try... Oh deity! I was hoping not to have to do this. I've never used modules before, since they are (or were) an unnecessary complication, and might introduce security risks. Maybe I'll have to read up on this. You probably won't need modules. Module configuration options can usually be replaced by kernel options in Grub.
Re: [gentoo-user] silly daylight saving [WAS: Running xsane]
On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 13:15:14 +0100, Enrico Weigelt weig...@metux.de wrote: Peter Humphrey wrote: Outside USA we have no illusions of saving time by adjusting our clocks. When it comes to politicians, I'm not quite that sure. Over here in Germany, there're lots of them who still believe in that insane idea of messing up the clocks would bring anything but useless hassle. I really wonder if there's some hidden lobby which benefits from this crap or it's really just stupidity ;-O cu Well daylight savings do make sense. The idea isn't as much to gain hours in a day, we have 24 hours in a day. The idea is for the body to follow the rhythm of the day. Noon is when the sun is at its highest. Depending on how the sun is positioned in comparison to the earth. So it makes sense with daylight savings, although it does mean that I go to school when it's dark and come home after dark. -- Zeerak
Re: [gentoo-user] silly daylight saving [WAS: Running xsane]
On Mittwoch 17 Februar 2010, Zeerak Waseem wrote: On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 13:15:14 +0100, Enrico Weigelt weig...@metux.de wrote: Peter Humphrey wrote: Outside USA we have no illusions of saving time by adjusting our clocks. When it comes to politicians, I'm not quite that sure. Over here in Germany, there're lots of them who still believe in that insane idea of messing up the clocks would bring anything but useless hassle. I really wonder if there's some hidden lobby which benefits from this crap or it's really just stupidity ;-O cu Well daylight savings do make sense. The idea isn't as much to gain hours in a day, we have 24 hours in a day. The idea is for the body to follow the rhythm of the day. Noon is when the sun is at its highest. Depending on how the sun is positioned in comparison to the earth. So it makes sense with daylight savings, although it does mean that I go to school when it's dark and come home after dark. no, for the exact reasons you wrote, daylight saving make no sense. With daylight savings the sun is not the highest at noon. And changing time puts a lot of stress on the body. For health reasons it should be scrapped. For energy saving reasons even more so.
Re: [gentoo-user] silly daylight saving [WAS: Running xsane]
On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 14:09:25 +0100, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: no, for the exact reasons you wrote, daylight saving make no sense. With daylight savings the sun is not the highest at noon. And changing time puts a lot of stress on the body. But it means you spend more of your waking hours in daylight (unless you're a postman or milkman), which has both health and environmental benefits. That leaves the question of the problems caused by the twice yearly changeover, which can easily be eliminated by running an hour ahead all year round, something that was tried in the UK some 40 years ago and abandoned. Of course, the whole thing of the tagline came about because of the name, you are not saving daylight at all. In the UK, it's called Summer Time, probably because that means we can tell when it's summer by checking the clock settings :) -- Neil Bothwick UNILINGUAL: American. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] silly daylight saving [WAS: Running xsane]
On Mittwoch 17 Februar 2010, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 14:09:25 +0100, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: no, for the exact reasons you wrote, daylight saving make no sense. With daylight savings the sun is not the highest at noon. And changing time puts a lot of stress on the body. But it means you spend more of your waking hours in daylight (unless you're a postman or milkman), which has both health and environmental benefits not really. If I have to get up at 4am in the morning to reach my job at 7 the difference at morning is negligible. And in the evening? Since I am home early, no difference at all. And environmental benefits? Are you kidding? There are no energy savings with day light savings. More lights are used in the morning. More energy used for heaters. If daylight saving would reduce energy usage, it would have been banned decades ago. Of course, the whole thing of the tagline came about because of the name, you are not saving daylight at all. In the UK, it's called Summer Time, probably because that means we can tell when it's summer by checking the clock settings :) It is called summertime in Germany too. I am living in more rural Germany - and the cows are not very happy about it. Neither are the farmers.
[gentoo-user] fat libraries [WAS: How the HAL are you supposed to use these files?]
Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Sonntag 14 Februar 2010, Enrico Weigelt wrote: Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: no, but with static exes you have to recompile everything everytime a security bug is found. That's the job of the distro buildsystem. Ah, and that dramatically minimizes the chance that things break apart (i still remember the old times when libc updates tended to be dangerous). and even better - just introduce a single patch/updated package and everything is fine. What you are describing is maybe nice with gentoo. But a nightmare if you want something stable. Recompiling everything is not an option. hmm, you consider Gentoo unstable ? ;-o Why do you think the whole industry went away from static - except for tiny embedded devices? Is that so ? Then, why are so many closed-source applications statically linked ? no, under the axiom of sharable code. The size of a lib is not really important - except if you use everything. But if you compile in everything the lib does on a static basis, all your binaries are huge and bloated. Yes, lazy page-loading, any maybe even lazy evaluation (uuh, tricky!), but this also comes with costs. Rethink the idea of tiny libraries: there's much more that can be reused. There're always not just reasons for choosing some particular library, but also ones for NOT choosing it. For example, imagine some app where a few of glib's functions would be useful, but there're other big arguments against it (eg. resource consumption, unstable API, etc). So we have to find that stuff we could have used somewhere else, or write it on our own. The major problem w/ these big libraries is that they're highly redundant from a function viewpoint. Why do we need dozens of libraries which all define such common ADTs like linked-lists, polygons, etc, etc, etc on their own ? Why can't they just all reuse other, small libraries ? At this point, I'm very much a Prof.Wirth's side: have one module per ADT, which only does that thing right, but nothing more. Don't forget that this is far beyond runtime memory consumtion. Memory is quite cheap today. But developer's manpower is not. When I review all the OSS projects (yes, commercial ones tend to be even worse) I've been involved in the last 15 years, I'd count at least 30% is completely redundant, completely useless spent resources. Just because bad design decisions. Just ask around the gentoo-devs how much time they spent into things like slotting, complex dependencies (conflicts, circular deps, ...), etc, etc. that's all caused by reallybad design decisions coming from the upstream. With clean sw design you'd never ever had to waste a single second on it. cu -- -- Enrico Weigelt, metux IT service -- http://www.metux.de/ cellphone: +49 174 7066481 email: i...@metux.de skype: nekrad666 -- Embedded-Linux / Portierung / Opensource-QM / Verteilte Systeme --
[gentoo-user] Re: log messages
Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com writes: Remote logging and just leave it till the machine freezes again will hopefully give you the useful logs you need to identify the problem. To save disk space you can configure logrotate on the remote logger to delete the previous days stuff - you don't need logs from days where the box was working fine. Thanks, that may be worth a try... I wonder if with rsyslog (my logger of choice) it may be possible to log to localhost as well as remote? I think I'll look into that too. Another option is to look at the pattern here: one day out of the blue a stable system developed problems and they still surface at random times. This is one of the characteristics of failing hardware. Have you done a full thorough hardware test, including such things as memtest and smart? I agree that it sounds like hardware but even then some log tracks should appear right? (Maybe I'll see them with the remote logging suggestion) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .Have you done a full thorough hardware test Haven't done the memtest or smart But far as `full'; what other tests might I try? ps - I did find some reiserfs errors and currently running reiserfsck --rebuild-tree On that (now umounted) disk after a full backup, so maybe that is related and will cure the problem (fingers crossed hard)
Re: [gentoo-user] Problem with installation kde-meta, gnome
the qt4 useflag isn't enabled by default, right? that'd be a big 'default'
problem to people installing KDE.
On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 10:00 AM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote:
On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 10:25:25 +0100, Andzrzej Styczeń wrote:
* Error: circular dependencies:
('ebuild','/','devel-util/cmake-2.6.4-r3','merge') depends on
('ebuild','/','x11-libs/qt-gui-4.5.3-r2','merge') (buildtime)
qt-gui needs cmake to build, but you have set the qt4 USE flag, so cmake
needs QT to build, hence the circular dependency.
USE=-qt4 emerge --oneshot cmake
will temporarily build cmake without QT support, allowing it to build
first.
--
Neil Bothwick
There's no such thing as a free lunch
___Steve Ballmer, choking on a linuxburger
--
Crístian Deives dos Santos Viana [aka CD1]
Sent from Campinas, SP, Brazil
[gentoo-user] KDE 4.3 Weather Forecast Applet does not find Perth (Looking for a Fix)
Using KDE 4.3 Weather Forecast Applet for amd64. I know BBC broke this. Anyone got a fix?
Re: [gentoo-user] silly daylight saving [WAS: Running xsane]
chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties: On Mittwoch 17 Februar 2010, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 14:09:25 +0100, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: no, for the exact reasons you wrote, daylight saving make no sense. With daylight savings the sun is not the highest at noon. And changing time puts a lot of stress on the body. But it means you spend more of your waking hours in daylight (unless you're a postman or milkman), which has both health and environmental benefits not really. If I have to get up at 4am in the morning to reach my job at 7 the difference at morning is negligible. And in the evening? Since I am home early, no difference at all. And environmental benefits? Are you kidding? There are no energy savings with day light savings. More lights are used in the morning. More energy used for heaters. If daylight saving would reduce energy usage, it would have been banned decades ago. Of course, the whole thing of the tagline came about because of the name, you are not saving daylight at all. In the UK, it's called Summer Time, probably because that means we can tell when it's summer by checking the clock settings :) It is called summertime in Germany too. I am living in more rural Germany - and the cows are not very happy about it. Neither are the farmers. Just picking the last post. This is what I hate about DST. My old VCR was doing fine until they changed the schedule here. Since I can't re-program my VCR with the new schedule, I had to disable DST thingy and do it manually. I would rather see this stupid thing gone. It doesn't make the grass grow any greener plus it makes people have to run around and reset all the clocks and crap, not just once a year but twice a year. The only good thing, it helps some people remember to replace the battery in the smoke detector. Of course, one could come up with a better way of doing that too. Most of them beep for weeks when it gets low, which is ironic since the beeping runs the battery down. o_O Dale :-) :-)
[gentoo-user] Re: Find out what emerge is up to in a large number of installations.
ubiquitous1980 nixuser1980 at gmail.com writes: If emerge has a large number of installs to do, for example, during a world update, and I am in a tty, how would I find which one emerge is up to? not sure what you mean about tty, but if you have a command prompt, then: tail -f /var/log/emerge.log hth, James
Re: [gentoo-user] Can't hear anything. :-(
On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 1:15 AM, Alan Mackenzie a...@muc.de wrote: Hi, Mark, SNIP VERY strange that you don't see pcm as a mixer control... I've got alsamixer 1.0.21. Could it be that it choses its controls according to the capabilities of the sound card? OK, so did you run alsaconf? This will often (but in my experience not always) unmute everything required to get sound. However MANY people (including myself for about a day) have had problems with the HDA-Intel stuff. I'm not exactly sure what HDA ATI SB means thought. If alsaconf finds and unmutes what you need to get sound then alsa run alsactl store to save state. BTW - On a new motherboard I found the Intel HDA analog output (the green plug is analog) wouldn't drive cheap speakers at all. I get sound on that output if I use headphones or a power amp but nothing at all when driving cheap speakers with no power amp. That's the first motherboard I've had which had this problem. If you have some good headphones give them a try. OK - what did you put in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa? Here's mine: firefly ~ # cat /etc/modprobe.d/alsa.conf # ALSA portion alias char-major-116 snd # OSS/Free portion alias char-major-14 soundcore ### IMPORTANT: ### You need to customise this section for your specific sound card(s) ### and then run `update-modules' command. ### Read alsa-driver's INSTALL file in /usr/share/doc for more info. ### ### ALSA portion alias snd-card-0 snd-hda-intel options snd-hda-intel index=0 alias snd-card-1 snd-hdsp options snd-hdsp index=1 ### OSS/Free portion alias sound-slot-0 snd-card-0 #alias sound-slot-1 snd-card-1 ### # ## OSS/Free portion - card #1 alias sound-service-0-0 snd-mixer-oss alias sound-service-0-1 snd-seq-oss alias sound-service-0-3 snd-pcm-oss alias sound-service-0-8 snd-seq-oss alias sound-service-0-12 snd-pcm-oss ### OSS/Free portion - card #2 ### alias sound-service-1-0 snd-mixer-oss ### alias sound-service-1-3 snd-pcm-oss ### alias sound-service-1-12 snd-pcm-oss # alias /dev/mixer snd-mixer-oss alias /dev/dsp snd-pcm-oss alias /dev/midi snd-seq-oss # ## Set this to the correct number of cards. options snd cards_limit=2 # firefly ~ # It's a bit hard to say much with so little info but I'll offer a couple of things: 1) IMO Alsa has never run so well when drivers are compiled into the kernel. I do a lot of audio in Linux and have always had the best results using modules. I would strongly suggest you give it a try... Oh deity! I was hoping not to have to do this. I've never used modules before, since they are (or were) an unnecessary complication, and might introduce security risks. Maybe I'll have to read up on this. OK - I get that you don't want to, and that you have good reasons, but I'm suggesting you do it at least for debug. Once you have it working you can try building them into the kernel. I will report that I've had trouble over the years doing this, but I've used a lot of strange cards here so maybe it's old issues that have been fixed. I know the Alsa developers used to insist we do it with modules. That was 1999-2000 so likely it's all fixed but I still use modules here. 2) Under /proc/asound/card0 (or whatever card you are using if you have more than 1) do you see any pcm directories? # ls /proc/asound/card0 codec#0 id oss_mixer pcm0c pcm0p pcm1p pcm2c , so yes, I can see some pcm directories. 3) Post back a little more info? cat /proc/asound/cards 0 [SB ]: HDA-Intel - HDA ATI SB HDA ATI SB at 0xfbcf8000 irq 16 1 [HDMI ]: HDA-Intel - HDA ATI HDMI HDA ATI HDMI at 0xfbffc000 irq 19 aplay -l List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices card 0: SB [HDA ATI SB], device 0: ALC1200 Analog [ALC1200 Analog] Subdevices: 1/1 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 card 0: SB [HDA ATI SB], device 1: ALC1200 Digital [ALC1200 Digital] Subdevices: 1/1 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 card 1: HDMI [HDA ATI HDMI], device 3: ATI HDMI [ATI HDMI] Subdevices: 1/1 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 aplay -L default:CARD=SB HDA ATI SB, ALC1200 Analog Default Audio Device front:CARD=SB,DEV=0 HDA ATI SB, ALC1200 Analog Front speakers surround40:CARD=SB,DEV=0 HDA ATI SB, ALC1200 Analog 4.0 Surround output to Front and Rear speakers surround41:CARD=SB,DEV=0 HDA ATI SB, ALC1200 Analog 4.1 Surround output to Front, Rear and Subwoofer speakers surround50:CARD=SB,DEV=0 HDA ATI SB, ALC1200 Analog 5.0 Surround output to Front, Center and Rear speakers surround51:CARD=SB,DEV=0 HDA ATI SB, ALC1200 Analog 5.1 Surround output to Front, Center, Rear and Subwoofer speakers surround71:CARD=SB,DEV=0 HDA ATI SB, ALC1200 Analog 7.1 Surround output to Front, Center, Side, Rear and Woofer speakers iec958:CARD=SB,DEV=0 HDA ATI SB, ALC1200 Digital IEC958 (S/PDIF) Digital
[gentoo-user] Re: Running xsane
On 2010-02-17, Peter Humphrey pe...@humphrey.ukfsn.org wrote: On Monday 15 February 2010 08:58:03 Neil Bothwick wrote: He was wrong, understandably. He should not have included all white men in that set. Outside USA we have no illusions of saving time by adjusting our clocks. Let's be fair about it. Here in the US, we don't have the illusion of saving _time_. We have the illusion of saving _energy_. And just think of all of the geeks it employs everytime somebody in DC thinks it's a good idea to futz with the settings. I personally know of somebody who spent a couple weeks developing, testing, committing, and pushing out a patch for a commercial Unix whose name I won't mention. -- Grant Edwards grante Yow! Is it NOUVELLE at CUISINE when 3 olives are visi.comstruggling with a scallop in a plate of SAUCE MORNAY?
Re: [gentoo-user] Rethinking binfmts [WAS: How the HAL are you supposed to use these files?]
On Mittwoch 17 Februar 2010, Enrico Weigelt wrote: For example, debugging information doesnt need to exist within the binary itself. An external file would be fine, too, and allows removing them by standard file operations. man make.conf: splitdebug Prior to stripping ELF etdyn and etexec files, the debugging info is stored for later use by various debuggers. This feature is disabled by nostrip. For installation of source code, see installsources. http://phajdan-jr.blogspot.com/2010/02/how-to-get-useful-backtraces-almost- for.html http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/qa/backtraces.xml With splitdebug enabled, Portage will still strip the binaries installed in the system. But before doing that, all the useful debug information is copied to a .debug file, which is then installed inside /usr/lib/debug (the complete name of the file would be given by appending to that the path where the file is actually installed). The path to that file is then saved in the original file inside an ELF section called .gnu_debuglink, so that gdb knows which file to load the symbols from. for someone so highly critical you should do some more reading.
Re: [gentoo-user] Problem with installation kde-meta, gnome
On Wednesday 17 February 2010 16:57:34 Crístian Viana wrote:
the qt4 useflag isn't enabled by default, right? that'd be a big
'default' problem to people installing KDE.
On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 10:00 AM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote:
On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 10:25:25 +0100, Andzrzej Styczeń wrote:
* Error: circular dependencies:
('ebuild','/','devel-util/cmake-2.6.4-r3','merge') depends on
('ebuild','/','x11-libs/qt-gui-4.5.3-r2','merge') (buildtime)
qt-gui needs cmake to build, but you have set the qt4 USE flag, so cmake
needs QT to build, hence the circular dependency.
USE=-qt4 emerge --oneshot cmake
will temporarily build cmake without QT support, allowing it to build
first.
--
Neil Bothwick
There's no such thing as a free lunch
___Steve Ballmer, choking on a linuxburger
I detect a spectacular dose of stupidity in these build settings.
Use wants KDE4
Therefore user must have Qt4 as it doesn't run on Qt3
So USE=qt4 is a must
Qt4 is built with cmake
Up till this point everything is cool and makes sense.
But now cmake needs Qt4.
WTF
How on this earth can anyone reasonably expect a BUILD SYSTEM to have the gui
libs already installed that the build system is designed to build
I mean, come on, lets get real here. Someone needs a good thumping with a clue
by four. This little scenario has just guaranteed that everyone building KDE4
for the first time on a machine will run into a show-stopper.
This warrants a knee-capping.
--
alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] copy-paste no longer works with (g)vim + OpenOffice
On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 06:42:40AM -0500, Philip Webb wrote: Which copy+paste? high-light with mouse and middle click to paste? Yes: are there other methods ? -- it also doesn't work if I high-light with 'v' the (left-)arrow key(s). In Gnome at least you can high-light with mouse, right click, hit copy, and go to another window, right click, and hit paste Is visual mode even suppose to work for this purpose? I don't think hitting v and moving left and right is suppose to dump the selected sections into the copy-paste buffer. Can you copy and paste from (g)vim to another Konsole? Yes, no problem. To any other application? Yes, to Leafpad, Kwrite, (Xfce) Terminal Xterm. So basically the problem is OO then. Can you copy and paste from other applications to OO? Perhaps it is a problem with encodings? Years ago I had trouble occasionally when I try to copy and past stuff from Firefox to Vim in a rxvt terminal. Then I found out the hiccup is due to 'proper' apostrophes, commas, and en- and em-dashes. Unicode characters does not want to be pasted into a non-unicode terminal. try emerging (if you don't have it installed already) the little program 'xsel'. You can use it to manipulate the selection buffers. Try trouble shooting with it to see what the problem is. http://www.vergenet.net/~conrad/software/xsel/xsel.1x.html HTH, W -- Willie W. Wong ww...@math.princeton.edu Data aequatione quotcunque fluentes quantitae involvente fluxiones invenire et vice versa ~~~ I. Newton
Re: [gentoo-user] Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?
- Original Message From: Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com I also happen to own a couple of old PCs which I try to keep lean and I don't mind the odd double declutching to change gears. Now, I understand the development philosophy of KDE4 since this was very well explained, but that does not stop me wishing that the developers were a bit more modular in their approach. This is because I would like to use a few KDE apps, but do not want to have to download and install a load of ever increasing dependencies. I am after a pick 'n mix from the sweet shop, rather than being 'forced' to have one of each. All I can say is try submitting a patch to the KDE folk. They're not setting out to support that kind of environment, but you never know what kinds of patches they'll take. They are looking at low-end systems and scalability (read asiego's blog for info) - from phones to netbooks to laptops/desktops to servers. So if you want to run KDE4 on those lean+mean systems, check with them - there's probably a branch of KDE4 you can use. Just 2 cents. Ben
Re: [gentoo-user] Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?
Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: openoffice depends on libwpd libwpd depends on libgsf libgsf pulls gconf in. Hm. I actually have OO (non-binary version) installed althoughI dislike bloat... However, I don't have gconf installed (USE: -gnome, globally in make.conf). I run stable so that, of course, may be different for ~arch or something... Even basic libs are pulling in tons of gnome crap today. Why? KDE does not infest low level stuff. If you don't want KDE stuff, you don't have to install it. But thanks to some §§$$%§$@ even low level libs and apps pull in that shit today. Well, try to pull in K3b and you'll also get the kitchen the sink with _mandatory_ USE-flag 'accessibility' amongst other things. I had K3b working fine before KDE4 with minimal KDE support libs. So I gave K3b up. Oh, well, progress I guess... :-/ Best regards / MfG Peter K
Re: [gentoo-user] copy-paste no longer works with (g)vim + OpenOffice
100217 Willie Wong wrote: On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 06:42:40AM -0500, Philip Webb wrote: Which copy+paste? high-light with mouse and middle click to paste? Yes: are there other methods ? -- it also doesn't work if I high-light with 'v' the (left-)arrow key(s). In Gnome you can high-light with mouse, right click, hit copy and go to another window, right click, and hit paste. I didn't know that one (smile), but only the 1st half works here; when I R-click in the OO file, there's no 'paste' option using the 'paste' button on the toolbar gives Requested clipboard format is not available. Is visual mode even suppose to work for this purpose? I don't think hitting 'v' and moving left and right is supposed to dump the selected sections into the copy-paste buffer. I don't know what it's supposed to do, but till last Sunday it had been regularly doing a paste into OO after a copy w mouse or 'v'. I didn't update anything else at the same time which seems relevant: Gzip Java-config Pykde Hplip Gnuconfig Psmisc (that's why I mentioned Poppler, which I updated the previous week). Can you copy and paste from (g)vim to another Konsole? Yes, no problem. To any other application? Yes, to Leafpad, Kwrite, (Xfce) Terminal Xterm. So basically the problem is OO then. No ! -- there was no change to OO last weekend, only to (G)vim ! Can you copy and paste from other applications to OO? Yes, at least from Konsole Terminal Leafpad: I mentioned the Most+Konsole workaround in my OP. Perhaps it is a problem with encodings? I haven't changed those for a long time, certainly not last weekend. HTH I'm certainly v grateful for your suggestions, but they don't get anywhere. I assume you don't use both Gvim OO (7.2.303 3.1.1) or you could test it for yourself: can anyone else test this ? Does anyone else have useful thoughts ? If not, it looks like a bug to report. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?
On Mittwoch 17 Februar 2010, Dale wrote: chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties: Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: openoffice depends on libwpd libwpd depends on libgsf libgsf pulls gconf in. Hm. I actually have OO (non-binary version) installed althoughI dislike bloat... However, I don't have gconf installed (USE: -gnome, globally in make.conf). I run stable so that, of course, may be different for ~arch or something... Even basic libs are pulling in tons of gnome crap today. Why? KDE does not infest low level stuff. If you don't want KDE stuff, you don't have to install it. But thanks to some §§$$%§$@ even low level libs and apps pull in that shit today. Well, try to pull in K3b and you'll also get the kitchen the sink with _mandatory_ USE-flag 'accessibility' amongst other things. I had K3b working fine before KDE4 with minimal KDE support libs. So I gave K3b up. Oh, well, progress I guess... :-/ Best regards / MfG Peter K What did you use in place of k3b? Is it a GUI or command line? you could try tkdvd. It is ugly but pretty much feature complete.
[gentoo-user] Re: log messages
Hi Harry,
Harry Putnam wrote:
Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com writes:
On Wednesday 17 February 2010 00:36:42 Harry Putnam wrote:
Hundreds, maybe thousands of lines like this (wrapped for mail):
Feb 16 09:38:47 reader kernel: [162289.090685] usb 4-2.1:1.1: uevent
Feb 16 09:38:48 reader kernel: [162289.467065] hdc: status error:
status=0x00 { }
Feb 16 09:38:48 reader kernel: [162289.467071] hdc: possibly failed
opcode: 0xa0
Feb 16 09:38:48 reader kernel: [162289.467079] ide-atapi: hdc:
Strange, packet command initiated yet DRQ isn't asserted
When I noticed this output involving the cdrom I wondered if I might
have left something in it but that was not the case.
Do you have hal configured to poll your cdrom drive every two seconds, to
see if a disk is inserted? And if so, is the verbosity logging cranked up
way higher than it should be?
I haven't personally had to fix this myself (so can't give pointers on
where to fix it), but it seems to be a common occurrence judging from
posts I see here and at other forums.
I do have hald running, but made no special config regarding cdrom
polling. At least not on purpose.
The messages do appear to be continuous. I will execute a reboot soon
but don't want to right now.
Why I'm pondering and following this up, is that I experience a
serious freeze after some unspecified amount of uptime. Mouse and
keyboard become unresponsive... and eventually the OS cannot be
accessed at all.
SSH appears to stop and cannot contact remotely either.
This began happening quite some time ago... on a different earlier
install. I never could see anything in the logs that gave a clue to
why.
I created a script that ran from cron. It pinged a remote host, and
logged a unique easily findable string into the log using `logger',
every 5 minutes. With that I was able to narrow down the time frame
of freeze to within the last 5 minutes (of log lines).
Even then, there was nothing to indicate a problem. This was an OS
that had been running a very long time with upgrade after upgrade.
Though I hated having to rebuild all the customizations etc, I finally
completely reinstalled from scratch hoping to catch the problem with
the shotgun approach.
In that earlier OS there were no log messages regarding hdc being
generated (by the way).
Shortly after completing the new install and a couple of weeks of
getting setup the way I wanted, I began to experience the freezes
again.
I have caught the freeze in the early stages before completely losing
the network when just mouse and keyboard became unresponsive, was able
to ssh in and noticed that restarting hald held off the freeze for
some (again unspecified) amount of time.
So cutting the lengthy narrative down a bit, and briefly put, I'm
looking for anything unusual that is causing this. The hdc messages
is the only odd thing I'm seeing.
Something appears to be jamming up the hal layer somehow, but not
leaving findable tracks. At least not findable by an someone with
many yrs experience with linux but not much real debugging of
complicated problems under his belt.
I had once similar freezes and effects until I recognized that our rabbit
had bitten into an USB cable and the computer got undefined signals on the
USB due to contacts of the blank cable lines.
Try to disconnect any external USB device first and check if the problem
persists.
- Jörg
Re: [gentoo-user] Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?
chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties: Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: openoffice depends on libwpd libwpd depends on libgsf libgsf pulls gconf in. Hm. I actually have OO (non-binary version) installed althoughI dislike bloat... However, I don't have gconf installed (USE: -gnome, globally in make.conf). I run stable so that, of course, may be different for ~arch or something... Even basic libs are pulling in tons of gnome crap today. Why? KDE does not infest low level stuff. If you don't want KDE stuff, you don't have to install it. But thanks to some §§$$%§$@ even low level libs and apps pull in that shit today. Well, try to pull in K3b and you'll also get the kitchen the sink with _mandatory_ USE-flag 'accessibility' amongst other things. I had K3b working fine before KDE4 with minimal KDE support libs. So I gave K3b up. Oh, well, progress I guess... :-/ Best regards / MfG Peter K What did you use in place of k3b? Is it a GUI or command line? Thanks, Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] silly daylight saving [WAS: Running xsane]
On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 14:36:51 +0100, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: But it means you spend more of your waking hours in daylight (unless you're a postman or milkman), which has both health and environmental benefits not really. If I have to get up at 4am in the morning to reach my job at 7 the difference at morning is negligible. And in the evening? Since I am home early, no difference at all. Then you fit into the postman and milkman exception :) I'm in the opposite category, I'm a late riser so it suits me. The move away from standard working hours has made this less relevant, but still the majority see more of the daylight if the clocks are shifted forward. And environmental benefits? Are you kidding? There are no energy savings with day light savings. More lights are used in the morning. More energy used for heaters. If daylight saving would reduce energy usage, it would have been banned decades ago. Modern green building make better use of natural light, so there are benefits to having as much of the working day in daylight as possible. But once again this is less relevant ion these days of flexible working. It is called summertime in Germany too. I am living in more rural Germany - and the cows are not very happy about it. Neither are the farmers. What with their greenhouse gas emissions and insistence on their farmers working at unearthly hours, those cows have a lot to answer for. When are they going to start considering the environment? -- Neil Bothwick Monday is the root of all evil! signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Problem with installation kde-meta, gnome
On Wednesday 17 of February 2010 13:00:27 Neil Bothwick wrote: qt-gui needs cmake to build, but you have set the qt4 USE flag, so cmake needs QT to build, hence the circular dependency. USE=-qt4 emerge --oneshot cmake will temporarily build cmake without QT support, allowing it to build first. Thank you for your help. I tried this, what you pointed USE=-qt4 emerge --oneshot cmake but still there are other not resolved dependicies, I will wait to tomorrow. I also try to install 'octave' and got similar problems with circular dependencies. Andrzej
[gentoo-user] Re: nfs-utils broken on ~amd64?
On 02/15/2010 10:51 PM, Keith Dart wrote: === On Mon, 02/15, walt wrote: === The next step is to build a new kernel with nfs4 support and unset the 'nonfsv4' flag... I had this problem. My solution was to have an fstab line like this: server:/mnt/vol1/home/home /althome nfsnfsvers=3 0 0 Note the nfsvers option. Thanks, that works. On the command line I added -o nfsvers=3, which does the same thing. That certainly violates the principle of least surprise, IMO. The man page (written in 2006) says that nfs3 is assumed if no version is specified.
[gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo on SSD
On 02/16/2010 01:56 PM, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote: Maybe it's ext4-related as well ... you know, many moving parts in a modern system Are you using ext4 on the hard drives also? For how long?
Re: [gentoo-user] Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?
Dale wrote: What did you use in place of k3b? Is it a GUI or command line? cdrecord. I also have installed, but I haven't used it yet, XFburn... Best regards Peter K
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.3 Weather Forecast Applet does not find Perth (Looking for a Fix)
Am Dienstag 16 Februar 2010 22:26:11 schrieb ubiquitous1980: Using KDE 4.3 Weather Forecast Applet for amd64. I know BBC broke this. Anyone got a fix? update to kde 4.4 bbc works again (at least for berlin)
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo on SSD
Am 17.02.2010 20:10, schrieb walt: On 02/16/2010 01:56 PM, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote: Maybe it's ext4-related as well ... you know, many moving parts in a modern system Are you using ext4 on the hard drives also? For how long? phew, for quite some time ... I'd have to think a while ... AFAIK there is no way to read that info from the fs formatted on 2009-06-. or something ;-) It never behaved like that on the hdd-based raid, no. No such crashes at all. S
Re: [gentoo-user] Dual booting Dell with Windows 7
Thanks Nick, On Wednesday 17 February 2010 09:53:27 Nick Cunningham wrote: Take a look at EasyBCD: http://neosmart.net/forums/showthread.php?t=642 The latest betas of version 2 allow you to use the Vista/Win7 bootloader to chainload grub and so boot linux. Its pretty easy to setup aswell as all you do is tell it to add an entry to your bootloader and then direct it to your /boot partition that has grub installed. Of course its not as pretty as some of the things you can do in grub/grub2, but it does work. The only downside is that you need to register on their forums in order to download the latest betas :( ... or, perhaps use BCDedit? http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc709667(WS.10).aspx Time allowing I'll have a go at installing Gentoo this weekend and report back. I think that it'll be a straight forward exercise of using dd to copy the Gentoo partition boot record (where I will have installed GRUB) to a file and then save this file in Windows 7 and point to it from C:\boot\bcd. The latter seems to be the Windows 7 equivalent to WinXP's boot.ini. Anyway, I better stop here before someone reading this M/L think they've come across a Microsoft conspiracy, or even worse the M/L server got infected! :-)) -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo on SSD
Stefan G. Weichinger writes: Am 17.02.2010 20:10, schrieb walt: Are you using ext4 on the hard drives also? For how long? phew, for quite some time ... I'd have to think a while ... AFAIK there is no way to read that info from the fs formatted on 2009-06-. or something ;-) dumpe2fs /dev/root | grep Filesystem created: Wonko
Re: [gentoo-user] copy-paste no longer works with (g)vim + OpenOffice
On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 01:18:21PM -0500, Philip Webb wrote: I didn't know that one (smile), but only the 1st half works here; when I R-click in the OO file, there's no 'paste' option using the 'paste' button on the toolbar gives Requested clipboard format is not available. Okay, so OO does smart pasting where it also treats formatting I guess. So this is most likely a bug. So basically the problem is OO then. No ! -- there was no change to OO last weekend, only to (G)vim ! Yes, it is a problem with OO. It is trying to be too smart with the paste-buffer. Somehow it is not treating the selection as pure text as it ought to. Out of curiosity, does this happen for any text file in gvim or only those with certain file extensions? I assume it is also a problem when you just open up vim with an empty buffer and type some random junk and try to copy and paste that? No, I don't use OO at all, and much as I'd like to help, I'm not about to try to install *that* on my underpowered netbook. Actually, I don't even use gvim: vim in a terminal is good enough for me. Hum, just a thought! Do you have vim compiled with the vim-with-x USE flag? Try toggling it. Part of the flag is supposed to help behaviour with interaction against X clipboard. I am pretty out of ideas otherwise, good luck on your quest, and sorry for not being more helpful. Cheers, W -- Willie W. Wong ww...@math.princeton.edu Data aequatione quotcunque fluentes quantitae involvente fluxiones invenire et vice versa ~~~ I. Newton
[gentoo-user] [OT] Choice of Photo gallery tools
I wondered if anyone here can speak on the various photo and gallery generating tools available on linux. I have photos on smugmug.com and wondered if there is do it yourself tools that come anywhere close the sophisticated handling they do.
Re: [gentoo-user] Dual booting Dell with Windows 7
On Wednesday 17 February 2010 06:58:16 Mick wrote: On Wednesday 17 February 2010 01:12:08 Peter Humphrey wrote: No offence intended. Thanks, none received. I am not American. ;-) Well, having just gratuitously insulted an entire nation, I'd better be on my best behaviour now in case I want to ask for help. I can think of a couple of problems I could do with some help with, too... -- Rgds Peter.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Running xsane
On Wednesday 17 February 2010 15:53:04 Grant Edwards wrote: Let's be fair about it. Here in the US, we don't have the illusion of saving _time_. No, you miss the point. The name implies saving daylight, not time. Show me anyone who can do that. (And I won't ask why Saving has to be plural.) More examples: what is the one thing that shock-absorbers don't do? What does a condenser (on a carburettor) condense? What heat-transfer mechanism does a car radiator use? (Hint: if it uses radiation, why does it need a fan?) This is now way off-topic. It is fun though. -- Rgds Peter.
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Choice of Photo gallery tools
On Wed, 2010-02-17 at 17:14 -0600, Harry Putnam wrote: I wondered if anyone here can speak on the various photo and gallery generating tools available on linux. I have photos on smugmug.com and wondered if there is do it yourself tools that come anywhere close the sophisticated handling they do. never tried smugmug and don't know what your requirements are, but I push JAlbum. You can create some pretty good looking albums and run them from CD / HD / webserver (I especially like the fact that you don't need a webserver). It can synchronise to your website. There are a plethora of options and free + commercial skins, plus plug-ins to let you sell them online. Unfortunately it's just the generation tool, you have to find your own hosting. -- Iain Buchanan iaindb at netspace dot net dot au My education message will resignate amonst all parents. George W. Bush January 19, 2000 Quoted in the New York Post.
Re: [gentoo-user] silly daylight saving [WAS: Running xsane]
Dale wrote: The only good thing, it helps some people remember to replace the battery in the smoke detector. Of course, one could come up with a better way of doing that too. Most of them beep for weeks when it gets low, which is ironic since the beeping runs the battery down. o_O In our house, that's the job of my grandpa (former fire inspector). Of course he gets reminded by his speaking watches (yes, plural!) ;-o cu -- -- Enrico Weigelt, metux IT service -- http://www.metux.de/ cellphone: +49 174 7066481 email: i...@metux.de skype: nekrad666 -- Embedded-Linux / Portierung / Opensource-QM / Verteilte Systeme --
Re: [gentoo-user] silly daylight saving [WAS: Running xsane]
Neil Bothwick wrote: What with their greenhouse gas emissions and insistence on their farmers working at unearthly hours, those cows have a lot to answer for. When are they going to start considering the environment? What frakk'in greenhouse gases ? Is anyone stupid enough to still believe in that synthetic religion of men-made-global-warming ? cu -- -- Enrico Weigelt, metux IT service -- http://www.metux.de/ cellphone: +49 174 7066481 email: i...@metux.de skype: nekrad666 -- Embedded-Linux / Portierung / Opensource-QM / Verteilte Systeme --
Re: [gentoo-user] silly daylight saving
Enrico Weigelt writes: Neil Bothwick wrote: What with their greenhouse gas emissions and insistence on their farmers working at unearthly hours, those cows have a lot to answer for. When are they going to start considering the environment? What frakk'in greenhouse gases ? Is anyone stupid enough to still believe in that synthetic religion of men-made-global-warming ? I am stupid enough. Wonko
[gentoo-user] Re: Running xsane
On 2010-02-18, Peter Humphrey pe...@humphrey.ukfsn.org wrote: More examples: what is the one thing that shock-absorbers don't do? What does a condenser (on a carburettor) condense? Never heard of a condenser on a carbuetor. Google doesn't seem to know about it either. Are you referring to the condenser (capacitor) that's located along with the points in the distributor assembly? Or is it something that goes by a different name here in the US? What heat-transfer mechanism does a car radiator use? (Hint: if it uses radiation, why does it need a fan?) And convection ovens use a fan to circulate hot air instead of the mechanism used by conventional ovens. What mechanism do conventional, non-convection ovens use? You guessed it: convection. -- Grant
Re: [gentoo-user] silly daylight saving [WAS: Running xsane]
chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties: Neil Bothwick wrote: What with their greenhouse gas emissions and insistence on their farmers working at unearthly hours, those cows have a lot to answer for. When are they going to start considering the environment? What frakk'in greenhouse gases ? Is anyone stupid enough to still believe in that synthetic religion of men-made-global-warming ? cu I'm not. It's just like a lot of other things, people trying to make money and control other people. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Choice of Photo gallery tools
On Thursday 18 February 2010 01:35:12 Iain Buchanan wrote: On Wed, 2010-02-17 at 17:14 -0600, Harry Putnam wrote: I wondered if anyone here can speak on the various photo and gallery generating tools available on linux. I have photos on smugmug.com and wondered if there is do it yourself tools that come anywhere close the sophisticated handling they do. never tried smugmug and don't know what your requirements are, but I push JAlbum. You can create some pretty good looking albums and run them from CD / HD / webserver (I especially like the fact that you don't need a webserver). It can synchronise to your website. There are a plethora of options and free + commercial skins, plus plug-ins to let you sell them online. Unfortunately it's just the generation tool, you have to find your own hosting. A really low-tech solution that was more than enough for me was the ability of Konqueror 3.x to generate an html page with thumbnails and link it to the folder with all your chosen photos. With KDE4 I had to install kim4 for editing my pics and creating an html gallery. -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
[gentoo-user] weather forecast plasmoid refuses to find Perth in Australia as a location
I am having issues using the weather forecast plasmoid in KDE 4.3. It will not allow me to show the weather for Perth in Australia using the BBC or other sources.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo on SSD
Am 17.02.2010 23:29, schrieb Alex Schuster: AFAIK there is no way to read that info from the fs formatted on 2009-06-. or something ;-) dumpe2fs /dev/root | grep Filesystem created: I am impressed ;-) On the ssd: Filesystem created: Mon Jan 4 19:56:09 2010 On the hdd-raid1: Filesystem created: Tue Aug 4 00:01:32 2009 Any thoughts that the later fs might be buggy because of some bugs in ext4 or related tools at that time? S
