[gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo minimal CD not runable on 64MB RAM machine
Sharuzzaman Ahmat Raslan gmail.com> writes: > > Hi,I have an old Pentium machine with 64MB RAM that I planned to install Gentoo. Nils posted a new i586 iso here: ftp://one.tisys.org/pub/linux/tisys/gentoo see the feb 8th Nils discussion in gentoo-user. There use to be an old project (GNAP) that did amazing things with old hardware, but, it has languished the last few years Alternatively, join the gentoo-embedded list as there are many folks that deal with minimalistic systems, of various architecture there. http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/base/embedded/handbook/ Myself and others are working to document x86 system building for old hardware, but it's a work in progress and a few months away from being ready for public consumption... hth, James
[gentoo-user] Re: dual boot RAID
Mark Knecht gmail.com> writes: > I guess the one thing above I'm not clear about is your choice of what > appears to be RAID 0? RAID 0 is hardly RAID as there's no redundancy. > Lose 1 drive you lose all your data. Also, if you're doing Linux RAID > then the MB chipset RAID stuff is immaterial. You're going to do it > using mdadm software RAID which then has no impact on what Windows > does. Well, I meant mirroring. I'm reading up on RAID for linux Gotta lot to learn and figure out. > Processor choice makes little impact on how Linux RAID works. Faster > is better. AMD or Intel is your choice. Yea, that was fishing for comment on the MSI mobo. Agreed that Intel/AMD make no difference. Once I do some more research, I'll post on a new thread. thx, James
[gentoo-user] emacs & iso-8859-1
G'day, ISO-8859-1 uses byte values 0xC0 to 0xFF for European accented characters (amongst otherss). I have a binary file whose bytes have values 0xC0 to 0xFF. Emacs is presently displaying them as octal, i.e. \300\301\302\303 etc. How do I get emacs to display them as accented characters? set-language-environment gives me some of the capability I want, but not all because it isn't sticky. Ideally setting a mode (or a variable) in my .emacs would affect newly opened files and show the accents. Thanks, David
[gentoo-user] New drive devices after install
Hi all,
I just finished a new (RAID1) installation and most if it is working just
fine.
However, I don't have any drive device files in /dev/. I'd expect to see
hda, hdb,md{1-3}
The only error I get on boot is where fsck can't open /dev/md3. Then the
system boots up just fine. /proc/mdstat tells me that md1, md2, and md3 are
all active. The df command tells me that /dev/md3 is mounted on /, but
there are no such nodes.
I'm thinking that they got "mounted over" by udev, but I don't know how to
fix it.
Can someone throw me a bone on this one?
TIA,
--
Take care and have fun,
Mike Diehl.
Re: [gentoo-user] monitor acting strangely when gdm starts
On Friday 18 February 2011 18:37:43 cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote: > Mick wrote: > > On Friday 18 February 2011 10:35:15 cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote: > > > Hi. I have a Nvidia GeFORCE 8400 gs and when I am using the text > > > console and frame buffer (uvesafb) things are OK, but when I start gdm, > > > the monitor acts as though it was disconnected altogether. It works > > > under Windows through a KVM, so I am pretty sure the monitor is OK, but > > > I don't understand what happens when gdm starts. I have > > > Nvidia-drivers-260.19.36 but even some earlier versions I try give the > > > same result. Is my card going or what? > > > > > > Any ideas would be appreciated. > > > > Have you followed this? > > > > http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/xorg-config.xml > > > > and are you using KMS? > > I have not changed the config from working to non-working -- if it will > help I can post it. I am not sure what kms is -- I use gnome as the > desktop. Have a more considered look at the link I've given. Check the kernel settings proposed there and take note of the disabling of u/vesa drivers. -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] monitor acting strangely when gdm starts
Mick wrote: > On Friday 18 February 2011 10:35:15 cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote: > > Hi. I have a Nvidia GeFORCE 8400 gs and when I am using the text > > console and frame buffer (uvesafb) things are OK, but when I start gdm, > > the monitor acts as though it was disconnected altogether. It works > > under Windows through a KVM, so I am pretty sure the monitor is OK, but > > I don't understand what happens when gdm starts. I have > > Nvidia-drivers-260.19.36 but even some earlier versions I try give the > > same result. Is my card going or what? > > > > Any ideas would be appreciated. > > Have you followed this? > > http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/xorg-config.xml > > and are you using KMS? I have not changed the config from working to non-working -- if it will help I can post it. I am not sure what kms is -- I use gnome as the desktop. -- Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici cov...@ccs.covici.com
[gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo minimal CD not runable on 64MB RAM machine
On 02/18/2011 11:21 AM, Sharuzzaman Ahmat Raslan wrote: Hi Dirk, Yes I noticed that. Most websites that I search for did not recommend running Linux live-cd on 64MB RAM. Looks like to have to search for distro that is tailored for embedded system. Thanks. You could also try Arch Linux, since by default you only get a console and from there you install only what you need. I like it, because like Gentoo, it's also a rolling-release distro.
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo minimal CD not runable on 64MB RAM machine
On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 09:27, Alex Schuster wrote: > Um, why do you want to use gentoo on such a system anyway? If it will be a > text-only system, being used as router or something, okay, this would > probably work, but other distros could do this as well. > I have run and mantained a Pentium 100 (yeah, I know), with 48MB of RAM (EDO) running for 2 years straight, it served DHCP, HTTP, FTP and MySQL to around 90 stations with not much traffic or requests. I strongly recomend distcc, but some packages refuse to use it (notably gcc and glibc, AFAIK) so prepare for some compile time. I recall spending 5 days in a GCC compile... Anyway, they said it couldn't be done, and I did it, lol. The old Gentoo minimal was able to boot in this system with some tricks (using a floppy to load the CDROM boot, cause obviously the BIOS was unable to boot from CD and some parameters passed to LILO disabling almost every module). Last time I tested, DSL-N was able to boot and install Gentoo with no problems in such a system. -- Daniel da Veiga
Re: [gentoo-user] Prelink on a already fast system
Mick wrote: Hmm ... $ euse -i dhl global use flags (searching: dhl) no matching entries found local use flags (searching: dhl) no matching entries found No good, but hold on ... perhaps one can adapt this one? $ euse -i ups global use flags (searching: ups) no matching entries found local use flags (searching: ups) [-] ups (net-analyzer/nagios-plugins): installs deps for monitoring Network-UPS (sys-power/nut) :-)) I'm glad you posted this. This helped me with another issue I been trying to figure out. I checked the USE flags for nut and realized I had usb enabled. My UPS uses the serial port instead of USB so I needed to disable that for nut. To think ya'll thought you were being funny. :-P Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Prelink on a already fast system
On Friday 18 February 2011 11:45:54 Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Fri, 18 Feb 2011 10:58:04 +, Mick wrote: > > Since this is the gentoo-user mailing list I better explain that > > routing of parcels is performed so as to minimise journeys (hence fuel > > and driver costs) for the company, rather than minimise delivery time > > for the end customer. Usually they may delay a journey to make sure > > that the lorries always run full of goods back and forth. Service > > level agreements may mean that they will on occasion run less full than > > they would like to so as to not exceed maximum delivery timescales. > > > > I am led to believe that this is the case even when the goods are to be > > used on a PC running Gentoo Linux ... ;-) > > Isn't there a USE flag to speed things up? Hmm ... $ euse -i dhl global use flags (searching: dhl) no matching entries found local use flags (searching: dhl) no matching entries found No good, but hold on ... perhaps one can adapt this one? $ euse -i ups global use flags (searching: ups) no matching entries found local use flags (searching: ups) [-] ups (net-analyzer/nagios-plugins): installs deps for monitoring Network-UPS (sys-power/nut) :-)) -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] monitor acting strangely when gdm starts
On Friday 18 February 2011 10:35:15 cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote: > Hi. I have a Nvidia GeFORCE 8400 gs and when I am using the text > console and frame buffer (uvesafb) things are OK, but when I start gdm, > the monitor acts as though it was disconnected altogether. It works > under Windows through a KVM, so I am pretty sure the monitor is OK, but > I don't understand what happens when gdm starts. I have > Nvidia-drivers-260.19.36 but even some earlier versions I try give the > same result. Is my card going or what? > > Any ideas would be appreciated. Have you followed this? http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/xorg-config.xml and are you using KMS? -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Prelink on a already fast system
On Fri, 18 Feb 2011 10:58:04 +, Mick wrote: > Since this is the gentoo-user mailing list I better explain that > routing of parcels is performed so as to minimise journeys (hence fuel > and driver costs) for the company, rather than minimise delivery time > for the end customer. Usually they may delay a journey to make sure > that the lorries always run full of goods back and forth. Service > level agreements may mean that they will on occasion run less full than > they would like to so as to not exceed maximum delivery timescales. > > I am led to believe that this is the case even when the goods are to be > used on a PC running Gentoo Linux ... ;-) Isn't there a USE flag to speed things up? -- Neil Bothwick Always proofread carefully to see if you any words out. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo minimal CD not runable on 64MB RAM machine
Dale writes: > Sharuzzaman Ahmat Raslan wrote: > > Yes I noticed that. Most websites that I search for did not recommend > > running Linux live-cd on 64MB RAM. > > > > Looks like to have to search for distro that is tailored for embedded > > system. > > > > Thanks. > > You may want to check on Damn Small Linux. One of the older versions > may work with that amount of ram. They all will, DSL normally needs only 16 MB of RAM. But be sure to use the slightly larger DSL-N version, because it has the 2.6 version of the linux kernel. Normal DSL uses kernel 2.4, and this will not allow to chroot. Here are some other small distributions: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lightweight_Linux_distribution Wow, BasicLinux only needs 3MB (with kernel 2.2). And Tiny Core Linux would even run from RAM, but I do not know if it uses kernel 2.6. But as Dale wrote, compiling also needs some RAM. Installing a stage3 system would work, maybe also compiling the kernel (although that (and /lib/modules) could probably be copied from the live-cd). But compiling more would not be fun. Distcc would help, but maybe creating the binary packages on another machine would be better. Um, why do you want to use gentoo on such a system anyway? If it will be a text-only system, being used as router or something, okay, this would probably work, but other distros could do this as well. I was also tempted to put Gentoo onto an old PIII laptop with 192 MB of RAM, just because I had trouble with other distros - Ubuntu sucks. But then I restrained from doing this. Wonko
Re: [gentoo-user] Prelink on a already fast system
Mick wrote: Since this is the gentoo-user mailing list I better explain that routing of parcels is performed so as to minimise journeys (hence fuel and driver costs) for the company, rather than minimise delivery time for the end customer. Usually they may delay a journey to make sure that the lorries always run full of goods back and forth. Service level agreements may mean that they will on occasion run less full than they would like to so as to not exceed maximum delivery timescales. I am led to believe that this is the case even when the goods are to be used on a PC running Gentoo Linux ... ;-) I'm aware of the way they do things and it can even make it look weird. Thing is, it went probably a thousand miles to end up across town if even across town. For all I know, newegg and the Post Office could be within blocks of each other. How they could argue that would be cost efficient is beyond me. I could see one out of the way hop to their main hub but with them, it appears that they have many main hubs. I have to say tho, this is not just DHL. This is a package that is on the way here now. This is so weird. lol Memphis, TN, United States 02/18/2011 4:30 A.M. Departure Scan 02/18/2011 4:16 A.M. Arrival Scan Louisville, KY, United States 02/18/2011 4:15 A.M. Departure Scan Louisville, KY, United States 02/17/2011 11:55 P.M. Arrival Scan DFW Airport, TX, United States 02/17/2011 9:13 P.M. Departure Scan DFW Airport, TX, United States 02/16/2011 10:35 A.M. Arrival Scan Newark, NJ, United States 02/16/2011 7:51 A.M. Departure Scan 02/16/2011 3:21 A.M. Arrival Scan Secaucus, NJ, United States 02/16/2011 2:30 A.M. Departure Scan Secaucus, NJ, United States 02/15/2011 10:14 P.M. Arrival Scan Edison, NJ, United States 02/15/2011 9:29 P.M. Departure Scan 02/15/2011 6:54 P.M. Origin Scan United States 02/15/2011 12:06 A.M. Order Processed: Ready for UPS It left the east coast area, went to Texas, went back to Kentucky, then back to Memphis and is on the way here. Me, I would have put a parachute on the thing and dropped it off at Kentucky when I flew over it the first time. lol If they sort of flew to the right a bit, they could have dropped it in Memphis. Oh, It left Kentucky and was in Memphis in ONE MINUTE. If UPS has a plane that fast, they bought the SR-71 or something. By my math, that's moving about 20,000 miles a hour. O_O My other package that went by DHL, no record of it being shipped yet. I'll start worrying tomorrow I think. With what I got ordered and sort of on the way, I'll be maxed out at 16Gbs and have a nice battery charger. The memory is for Gentoo Linux and no idea if the charger has a OS at all. Heck, it may. There is a guitar that runs Gentoo remember? Weird days. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Prelink on a already fast system
On Thursday 17 February 2011 18:25:47 Dale wrote: > Dale wrote: > > Well, what got me once was the trip a package took. I ordered > > something, can't remember what it was now but anyway, it left Memphis, > > went to Atlanta and sat there a day or two, then went to some place in > > Kentucky and sat there for a day or two. Then it went back to Memphis > > where it sat for a couple days and then they dropped it off at the > > post office to be delivered. DHL was the one that did all the running > > around the country. > > > > Needless to say, I wrote newegg a little note about all that. They > > refunded the shipping, which I wasn't worried about, and said she was > > going to talk to the higher ups since they are getting a lot of > > similar complaints. I notice that their only options now are UPS and > > such. I don't see the so called "egg saver" anymore. > > > > That package took over a week for me to get. As I explained in my > > note to newegg, I could have rode a bicycle to Memphis, got the > > package and rode the bike back faster than the shipping company could > > get it here or even just get it back to Memphis to drop it off at the > > post office. > > > > The funny part, once it was taken to the post office, I got it the > > next day. So much for snail mail. They should have shipped it with > > them to begin with. lol > > > > At least we know now why they went belly up. Let's not mention the > > part from Sears that I had to drive 40 miles one way to get. They > > delivered it to some ladies house. She found me in the phone book. I > > guess DHL doesn't have a phone book. :-@ There is only two people > > around here with my last name. The other is my brother. He knows > > where I live too. ;-) > > > > Dale > > > > :-) :-) > > I have a correction here. It appears "egg saver" is still alive. It > also appears that DHL is still alive as well. I saw on the news where > they closed down here in the USA but I guess it was just one of their > big centers or something. Anyway, my 8Gb kit is coming from California > in route to Mississippi so this may take a while. Given their record, I > just hope it gets here at all. o_O > > My 4Gb stick will be here tomorrow. I also decided not to do the > prelink thing. Sounds like it would just be something else to keep up > to date with little gain if any gain at all. Since this is the gentoo-user mailing list I better explain that routing of parcels is performed so as to minimise journeys (hence fuel and driver costs) for the company, rather than minimise delivery time for the end customer. Usually they may delay a journey to make sure that the lorries always run full of goods back and forth. Service level agreements may mean that they will on occasion run less full than they would like to so as to not exceed maximum delivery timescales. I am led to believe that this is the case even when the goods are to be used on a PC running Gentoo Linux ... ;-) -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
[gentoo-user] monitor acting strangely when gdm starts
Hi. I have a Nvidia GeFORCE 8400 gs and when I am using the text console and frame buffer (uvesafb) things are OK, but when I start gdm, the monitor acts as though it was disconnected altogether. It works under Windows through a KVM, so I am pretty sure the monitor is OK, but I don't understand what happens when gdm starts. I have Nvidia-drivers-260.19.36 but even some earlier versions I try give the same result. Is my card going or what? Any ideas would be appreciated. -- Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici cov...@ccs.covici.com
Re: [gentoo-user] Anyone get Acer laptop internal microphone working in Gentoo?
On Friday 18 February 2011 09:45:44 Mick wrote: > On Sunday 13 February 2011 22:10:42 Walter Dnes wrote: > > On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 12:18:40PM +0530, Yohan Pereira wrote > > > > > did you add alsasound to the boot process? > > > > > > i went 6 months trying to figure out what was wrong with my microphone > > > until i realised that i forgot to do that! > > > > > > also unmute the microphones using alsamixer (in alsa-utils) like > > > Hung sugested. > > > > > I had already unmuted everything before posting my question. With > > > > enough microphone boost, I have a hissing noise. I didn't know about > > alsasound being a daemon until today. With alsasound running, mencoder > > and ffmpeg and arecord now *THINK* that they are recording a sound > > channel. That's an "improvement", because they used to say "noaudio" > > before. But still nothing gets recorded. Here is a sample command I > > tried. > > > > arecord -f cd -t wav -c 2 -D plughw:0 foobar.wav > > > > Maybe I should go and buy an external microphone already. > > I do not have your hardware, but on my laptop I could not get the > microphone to work until I switched on the digital capture and selected > "Digital" under Input Source in alsamixer. For some reason it would not > work with any other setting. Perhaps because there is no analogue audio capture on my machine ... ? $ cat /proc/asound/devices 2:: timer 3: [ 0- 0]: digital audio playback 4: [ 0- 0]: digital audio capture 5: [ 0- 0]: hardware dependent 6: [ 0] : control 7: [ 1- 3]: digital audio playback 8: [ 1- 0]: hardware dependent 9: [ 1] : control 10:: sequencer HTH. -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Anyone get Acer laptop internal microphone working in Gentoo?
On Sunday 13 February 2011 22:10:42 Walter Dnes wrote: > On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 12:18:40PM +0530, Yohan Pereira wrote > > > did you add alsasound to the boot process? > > > > i went 6 months trying to figure out what was wrong with my microphone > > until i realised that i forgot to do that! > > > > also unmute the microphones using alsamixer (in alsa-utils) like > > Hung sugested. > > I had already unmuted everything before posting my question. With > enough microphone boost, I have a hissing noise. I didn't know about > alsasound being a daemon until today. With alsasound running, mencoder > and ffmpeg and arecord now *THINK* that they are recording a sound > channel. That's an "improvement", because they used to say "noaudio" > before. But still nothing gets recorded. Here is a sample command I > tried. > > arecord -f cd -t wav -c 2 -D plughw:0 foobar.wav > > Maybe I should go and buy an external microphone already. I do not have your hardware, but on my laptop I could not get the microphone to work until I switched on the digital capture and selected "Digital" under Input Source in alsamixer. For some reason it would not work with any other setting. -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo minimal CD not runable on 64MB RAM machine
Sharuzzaman Ahmat Raslan wrote: Hi Dirk, Yes I noticed that. Most websites that I search for did not recommend running Linux live-cd on 64MB RAM. Looks like to have to search for distro that is tailored for embedded system. Thanks. You may want to check on Damn Small Linux. One of the older versions may work with that amount of ram. All that said, I'm not sure what you can run on that either. When you go to compile something, you are going to run out of ram very quickly. Just booting up is going to need that much. Running anything on top of that is going to be very slow. I would also put a good amount of swap on there too. It may be slow but it may also prevent a crash. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo minimal CD not runable on 64MB RAM machine
Hi Dirk, Yes I noticed that. Most websites that I search for did not recommend running Linux live-cd on 64MB RAM. Looks like to have to search for distro that is tailored for embedded system. Thanks. On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 4:49 PM, Dirk Uys wrote: > Hi > > I think that any of the live CDs are going to give you problems with 64MB > RAM. I think the minimal ISO is a live CD that allows you to install Gentoo > from there. You can try installing another distro on the harddrive and then > installing gentoo using that distro. > > Compiling Gentoo on such an old machine is very brave, I hope you intend to > use distcc. > > Regards > Dirk > > > On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 10:32 AM, Sharuzzaman Ahmat Raslan < > sharuzza...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I have an old Pentium machine with 64MB RAM that I planned to install >> Gentoo. >> >> I download Gentoo x86 minimal ISO and burn it to disk. The disk was able >> to boot, but not able to give the command prompt, with error "cp: write >> error: No space left on device" during copying to tempfs >> >> This symptom is reproducible in Virtualbox with 64MB RAM. >> >> Any idea how to overcome this issue? >> >> Gentoo documentation mention that Gentoo should be installable on 64MB RAM >> machine. >> >> Thanks. >> >> >> -- >> Sharuzzaman Ahmat Raslan >> > > -- Sharuzzaman Ahmat Raslan
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo minimal CD not runable on 64MB RAM machine
Hi I think that any of the live CDs are going to give you problems with 64MB RAM. I think the minimal ISO is a live CD that allows you to install Gentoo from there. You can try installing another distro on the harddrive and then installing gentoo using that distro. Compiling Gentoo on such an old machine is very brave, I hope you intend to use distcc. Regards Dirk On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 10:32 AM, Sharuzzaman Ahmat Raslan < sharuzza...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi, > > I have an old Pentium machine with 64MB RAM that I planned to install > Gentoo. > > I download Gentoo x86 minimal ISO and burn it to disk. The disk was able to > boot, but not able to give the command prompt, with error "cp: write error: > No space left on device" during copying to tempfs > > This symptom is reproducible in Virtualbox with 64MB RAM. > > Any idea how to overcome this issue? > > Gentoo documentation mention that Gentoo should be installable on 64MB RAM > machine. > > Thanks. > > > -- > Sharuzzaman Ahmat Raslan >
[gentoo-user] Gentoo minimal CD not runable on 64MB RAM machine
Hi, I have an old Pentium machine with 64MB RAM that I planned to install Gentoo. I download Gentoo x86 minimal ISO and burn it to disk. The disk was able to boot, but not able to give the command prompt, with error "cp: write error: No space left on device" during copying to tempfs This symptom is reproducible in Virtualbox with 64MB RAM. Any idea how to overcome this issue? Gentoo documentation mention that Gentoo should be installable on 64MB RAM machine. Thanks. -- Sharuzzaman Ahmat Raslan
