Re: [gentoo-user] converting to gnome3--a trip report
On Thursday 02 Jun 2011 13:33:31 Allan Gottlieb wrote: snip For those who use pulseaudio (dont judge me, i need the streaming audio over network thingie). theres a problem of pulseaudio running for the gdm user and hence no sound for normal users. Found the fix and other usefull tips on the arch linux wiki (look at disabling gdm sound). https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/GNOME#GDM_Customization all in all my mom could use gnome3 without much fuss .. so i guess its a job well done. -- - Yohan Pereira A man can do as he will, but not will as he will - Schopenhauer
Re: [gentoo-user] Caching Proxy alternative to Squid?
On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 14:01, Joost Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote: On Thursday 02 June 2011 03:31:29 Pandu Poluan wrote: Here's one: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa302323.aspx -- Pandu E Poluan - IT Optimizer My website: http://pandu.poluan.info/ Works here: Squid version = 3.1.8 enabled USE-flags = epoll ipv6 kernel_linux ldap pam ssl Firefox version = 3.6.17 enables USE-flags = alsa dbus ipc java linguas_de linguas_en linguas_en_GB linguas_en_US linguas_fr linguas_it linguas_nl Hmmm... I'll try enabling epoll kernel_linux ldap pam ssl and updating... Rgds, -- Pandu E Poluan ~ IT Optimizer ~ Visit my Blog: http://pepoluan.posterous.com Google Talk: pepoluan Y! messenger: pepoluan MSN / Live: pepol...@hotmail.com (do not send email here) Skype: pepoluan More on me: My LinkedIn Account My Facebook Account
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: chrome and everything
Apparently, though unproven, at 02:07 on Friday 03 June 2011, walt did opine thusly: On 06/02/2011 02:21 AM, Alan McKinnon wrote: Flash is a piece of shit that has never worked right and Adobe are a bunch of fools that cannot code properly or securely. I agree 100%. My question is why they continue to be so successful in spite of such a history. That's easy to answer, but it has nothing to do with code and everything to do with human nature. Flash is New!Improved!Shiny! shit full of bling and looks cool to the consumer. Web devs develop flashy shiny sites and users think it's awesome. We look at flash and think OMFG, how can anyone release crap code like that? Well, the web dev is hooked into the user's mindset, providing something the user likes and that is real to him. So the user will use it regardless of any issues it may have. The user does not understand our mindset (coders and code quality) so we get no traction with users, we might as well speak Martian And they don't seem to be improving -- Flash shows up regularly on the monthly security bulletin from sans.org with yet another buffer overflow exploit. It never gets better :( OTOH, chromium gets security fixes from google every *week*, so they don't inspire much confidence either. Which is safer: an insecure program that gets fixed every month, or one that gets fixed every week? The answer is not obvious to me... Compare how Google goes about doing things with how Adobe does it. The Google Chromium team appears to take security seriously and are open and up-front about what they do. Adobe likes to stonewall on issues and create an aura of how sekrit stuff is. Which one inspires confidence in fellow geeks? -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] Cleaning redundant configuration files
Apparently, though unproven, at 00:45 on Friday 03 June 2011, Volker Armin Hemmann did opine thusly: NEVER remove user created data That one sentence sums up this entire thread beautifully. Thank you for saying that. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: website design
Apparently, though unproven, at 22:16 on Thursday 02 June 2011, Paul Hartman did opine thusly: There's something wrong with your mailer, it's doing weird stuff with line breaks. Please fix it. Sun Java mail suite (client and server) have been mangling e-mail messages for years. It's probably his ISP's web-based e-mail solution. The only fix is to use something else. So it's like that Java-based gmail client for smartphones? The one that can only top posts and gives the user no way to do it otherwise. sigh what is the world coming to -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] Caching Proxy alternative to Squid?
On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 13:48, Pandu Poluan pa...@poluan.info wrote: On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 14:01, Joost Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote: On Thursday 02 June 2011 03:31:29 Pandu Poluan wrote: Here's one: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa302323.aspx -- Pandu E Poluan - IT Optimizer My website: http://pandu.poluan.info/ Works here: Squid version = 3.1.8 enabled USE-flags = epoll ipv6 kernel_linux ldap pam ssl Firefox version = 3.6.17 enables USE-flags = alsa dbus ipc java linguas_de linguas_en linguas_en_GB linguas_en_US linguas_fr linguas_it linguas_nl Hmmm... I'll try enabling epoll kernel_linux ldap pam ssl and updating... No joy. Apache TS, then :-) Rgds, -- Pandu E Poluan ~ IT Optimizer ~ Visit my Blog: http://pepoluan.posterous.com Google Talk: pepoluan Y! messenger: pepoluan MSN / Live: pepol...@hotmail.com (do not send email here) Skype: pepoluan More on me: My LinkedIn Account My Facebook Account
Re: [gentoo-user] Caching Proxy alternative to Squid?
On 6/2/2011 11:48 PM, Pandu Poluan wrote: On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 14:01, Joost Roeleveldjo...@antarean.org wrote: Works here: Squid version = 3.1.8 enabled USE-flags = epoll ipv6 kernel_linux ldap pam ssl Firefox version = 3.6.17 enables USE-flags = alsa dbus ipc java linguas_de linguas_en linguas_en_GB linguas_en_US linguas_fr linguas_it linguas_nl Hmmm... I'll try enabling epoll kernel_linux ldap pam ssl and updating... My question is why did you mess with the defaults? epoll should have been enabled unless you wanted to make Squid 100x slower. kashani
Re: [gentoo-user] Caching Proxy alternative to Squid?
On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 14:57, kashani kashani-l...@badapple.net wrote: On 6/2/2011 11:48 PM, Pandu Poluan wrote: On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 14:01, Joost Roeleveldjo...@antarean.org wrote: Works here: Squid version = 3.1.8 enabled USE-flags = epoll ipv6 kernel_linux ldap pam ssl Firefox version = 3.6.17 enables USE-flags = alsa dbus ipc java linguas_de linguas_en linguas_en_GB linguas_en_US linguas_fr linguas_it linguas_nl Hmmm... I'll try enabling epoll kernel_linux ldap pam ssl and updating... My question is why did you mess with the defaults? epoll should have been enabled unless you wanted to make Squid 100x slower. kashani Well it's neither specified nor disabled, so I just put in the keywords in make.conf, hoping it will be the 'magic spell incantation' needed to solve my problem. But apparently not *sigh* Rgds, -- Pandu E Poluan ~ IT Optimizer ~ Visit my Blog: http://pepoluan.posterous.com
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE - specifically kwin question
On Fri, 03 Jun 2011 01:04:15 -0400, CJoeB wrote: With my new and fresh installation of gentoo and kde, I figured out that by right-clicking on the tab at the bottom of the terminal window and choosing Rename and selecting the %w option, I can get this to display. However, I can't seem to figure out how to make it stick because on closing the window and reopening it, the effect that I want goes away. It's a setting in the Konsole profile. SettingsConfigure ProfilesEdit ProfileTabs. -- Neil Bothwick A seminar on time travel will be held 2 weeks ago. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Cleaning redundant configuration files
On Fri, Jun 03, 2011 at 02:00:01AM +0200, Stroller wrote: Only saying since you asked - I've held my tongue for a long time. The question that got you going was part of a control drama, not at all a sincere question -- think does this dress make me look fat? :) But really, personal stuff is OT and who cares, anyway? Obnoxious people are everywhere on earth, it's all part of life's rich pageant. One thing though I've observed is that people who are extremely arrogant and defensive like that are driven to be that way due to crippling insecurities, so ironically a bit of compassion may be indicated. -- caveat utilitor ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤
Re: [gentoo-user] Caching Proxy alternative to Squid?
On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 14:50, Pandu Poluan pa...@poluan.info wrote: On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 13:48, Pandu Poluan pa...@poluan.info wrote: On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 14:01, Joost Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote: On Thursday 02 June 2011 03:31:29 Pandu Poluan wrote: Here's one: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa302323.aspx --- snip --- Hmmm... I'll try enabling epoll kernel_linux ldap pam ssl and updating... No joy. Apache TS, then :-) Oookay... something's wrong with the box itself... Even Apache TS failed for the pages where Squid failed o_O Time to rebuild the box, then . Rgds, -- Pandu E Poluan ~ IT Optimizer ~ Visit my Blog: http://pepoluan.posterous.com Google Talk: pepoluan Y! messenger: pepoluan MSN / Live: pepol...@hotmail.com (do not send email here) Skype: pepoluan More on me: My LinkedIn Account My Facebook Account
Re: [gentoo-user] Caching Proxy alternative to Squid?
On Thursday 02 June 2011 08:01:30 Joost Roeleveld wrote: Works here: Squid version = 3.1.8 enabled USE-flags = epoll ipv6 kernel_linux ldap pam ssl Firefox version = 3.6.17 enables USE-flags = alsa dbus ipc java linguas_de linguas_en linguas_en_GB linguas_en_US linguas_fr linguas_it linguas_nl What is USE flag kernel_linux? It doesn't appear on my systems. -- Rgds Peter
Re: [gentoo-user] Caching Proxy alternative to Squid?
On Friday 03 June 2011 10:30:25 Peter Humphrey wrote: On Thursday 02 June 2011 08:01:30 Joost Roeleveld wrote: Works here: Squid version = 3.1.8 enabled USE-flags = epoll ipv6 kernel_linux ldap pam ssl Firefox version = 3.6.17 enables USE-flags = alsa dbus ipc java linguas_de linguas_en linguas_en_GB linguas_en_US linguas_fr linguas_it linguas_nl What is USE flag kernel_linux? It doesn't appear on my systems. I believe it's a default one telling the ebuild that it runs on Linux :) -- Joost
[gentoo-user] autofs
anyone use autofs to manage mounting of nfs on a laptop ? Is it fluent, easy to use ? How many shares maximum ? thanks -- Stéphane Guedon page web : http://www.22decembre.eu/ carte de visite : http://www.22decembre.eu/downloads/Stephane-Guedon.vcf clé publique gpg : http://www.22decembre.eu/downloads/Stephane-Guedon.asc signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] autofs
Apparently, though unproven, at 12:44 on Friday 03 June 2011, Stéphane Guedon did opine thusly: anyone use autofs to manage mounting of nfs on a laptop ? Is this mounting a share from an nfs server onto a laptop? Is it fluent, easy to use ? It's NFS. The words nfs and fluent, easy to use do not belong in the same sentence unless there's a not in the middle. The point is that NFS was not designed with laptops and other devices that can be disconnected in mind. It was designed for secure LANs that do not change much, and laptops present issues that are not easy to solve. How many shares maximum ? From a server? Hundreds, with ease. NFS is not the bottleneck, your shares are limited by how much bandwidth you have over the network. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: chrome and everything
On Fri, Jun 03, 2011 at 09:20:01AM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: Compare how Google goes about doing things with how Adobe does it. The Google Chromium team appears to take security seriously and are open and up-front about what they do. Adobe likes to stonewall on issues and create an aura of how sekrit stuff is. Which one inspires confidence in fellow geeks? Neither. Adobe is utterly incompetent and apathetic, google is evil and wants to sell ad space for h3rb41 v14gr4 in your brain. Flash is a necessary evil for a lot of us, chrome(ium) is not. -- caveat utilitor ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤
Re: [gentoo-user] autofs
On Friday 03 June 2011 12:55:58 Alan McKinnon wrote: Apparently, though unproven, at 12:44 on Friday 03 June 2011, Stéphane Guedon did opine thusly: anyone use autofs to manage mounting of nfs on a laptop ? Is this mounting a share from an nfs server onto a laptop? Is it fluent, easy to use ? It's NFS. The words nfs and fluent, easy to use do not belong in the same sentence unless there's a not in the middle. The point is that NFS was not designed with laptops and other devices that can be disconnected in mind. It was designed for secure LANs that do not change much, and laptops present issues that are not easy to solve. How many shares maximum ? From a server? Hundreds, with ease. NFS is not the bottleneck, your shares are limited by how much bandwidth you have over the network. Ok, it's a beginning.. :-) thank you ! Nfs hasn't been designed for laptop, it's ok. But, appart from coda (which has a file size limit of 1 giga, so, useless in home networking), I know nothing that is fit for network file-sharing for laptop (the laptop isn't the server of course). I search a solution for that since years ! -- Stéphane Guedon page web : http://www.22decembre.eu/ carte de visite : http://www.22decembre.eu/downloads/Stephane-Guedon.vcf clé publique gpg : http://www.22decembre.eu/downloads/Stephane-Guedon.asc signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
[gentoo-user] Re: Digest of gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org issue 2368 (123578-123627)
Am 03.06.2011 14:06, schrieb gentoo-user+h...@lists.gentoo.org: Topics (messages 123578 through 123627): [gentoo-user] Cleaning redundant configuration files 123578 - Indi thebeelzebubtrig...@gmail.com [gentoo-user] OT: website design 123579 - Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com [gentoo-user] Cleaning redundant configuration files 123580 - Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk [gentoo-user] converting to gnome3--a trip report 123581 - Allan Gottlieb gottl...@nyu.edu [gentoo-user] OT: website design 123582 - dhk...@optonline.net [gentoo-user] chrome and everything 123583 - Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com [gentoo-user] chrome and everything 123584 - Leonardo Guilherme leonardo.guilhe...@gmail.com [gentoo-user] chrome and everything 123585 - Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com [gentoo-user] Cleaning redundant configuration files 123586 - Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com [gentoo-user] OT: website design 123587 - Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com [gentoo-user] chrome and everything 123588 - Mike Edenfield kut...@kutulu.org [gentoo-user] chrome and everything 123589 - Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com [gentoo-user] Cleaning redundant configuration files 123590 - Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com [gentoo-user] OT: website design 123591 - Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com [gentoo-user] OT: website design 123592 - Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com [gentoo-user] LightDM. Anybody succesfully using it? 123593 - Ignas Anikevicius anikevic...@gmail.com [gentoo-user] Cleaning redundant configuration files 123594 - David W Noon dwn...@ntlworld.com [gentoo-user] chrome and everything 123595 - András Csányi sayusi.a...@gmail.com [gentoo-user] LightDM. Anybody succesfully using it? 123596 - Andrés Becerra Sandoval andres.bece...@gmail.com [gentoo-user] Cleaning redundant configuration files 123600 - Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com [gentoo-user] Cleaning redundant configuration files 123601 - Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com [gentoo-user] Cleaning redundant configuration files 123602 - Stroller strol...@stellar.eclipse.co.uk [gentoo-user] Cleaning redundant configuration files 123603 - Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk [gentoo-user] Re: chrome and everything 123604 - walt w41...@gmail.com [gentoo-user] Cleaning redundant configuration files 123605 - Adam Carter adamcart...@gmail.com [gentoo-user] How do I eject an audio CD inside Gnome? 123606 - Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com [gentoo-user] Cleaning redundant configuration files 123607 - Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com [gentoo-user] grub menu and the new openrc 123608 - Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com [gentoo-user] grub menu and the new openrc 123609 - Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com [gentoo-user] KDE - specifically kwin question 123610 - CJoeB colleen.bea...@gmail.com [gentoo-user] KDE - specifically kwin question 123611 - Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com [gentoo-user] converting to gnome3--a trip report 123612 - Yohan Pereira yohan.pere...@gmail.com [gentoo-user] Caching Proxy alternative to Squid? 123613 - Pandu Poluan pa...@poluan.info [gentoo-user] Re: chrome and everything 123614 - Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com [gentoo-user] Cleaning redundant configuration files 123615 - Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com [gentoo-user] OT: website design 123616 - Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com [gentoo-user] Caching Proxy alternative to Squid? 123617 - Pandu Poluan pa...@poluan.info [gentoo-user] Caching Proxy alternative to Squid? 123618 - kashani kashani-l...@badapple.net [gentoo-user] Caching Proxy alternative to Squid? 123619 - Pandu Poluan pa...@poluan.info [gentoo-user] KDE - specifically kwin question 123620 - Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk [gentoo-user] Cleaning redundant configuration files 123621 - Indi thebeelzebubtrig...@gmail.com [gentoo-user] Caching Proxy alternative to Squid? 123623 - Peter Humphrey pe...@humphrey.ukfsn.org [gentoo-user] Caching Proxy alternative to Squid? 123624 - Joost Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org [gentoo-user] autofs 123625 - Stéphane Guedon steph...@22decembre.eu [gentoo-user] autofs 123626 - Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com [gentoo-user] Re: chrome and everything 123627 - Indi thebeelzebubtrig...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] autofs
On 2011-06-03 12:44, Stéphane Guedon wrote: anyone use autofs to manage mounting of nfs on a laptop ? Is it fluent, easy to I'm not using any auto-mounters currently but this link may help(?): http://www.linux-tutorial.info/modules.php?name=MContentpageid=153 HTH Best regards Peter K
Re: [gentoo-user] autofs
On Friday 03 June 2011 13:37:54 Stéphane Guedon wrote: On Friday 03 June 2011 12:55:58 Alan McKinnon wrote: Apparently, though unproven, at 12:44 on Friday 03 June 2011, Stéphane Guedon did opine thusly: anyone use autofs to manage mounting of nfs on a laptop ? Is this mounting a share from an nfs server onto a laptop? Is it fluent, easy to use ? It's NFS. The words nfs and fluent, easy to use do not belong in the same sentence unless there's a not in the middle. The point is that NFS was not designed with laptops and other devices that can be disconnected in mind. It was designed for secure LANs that do not change much, and laptops present issues that are not easy to solve. How many shares maximum ? From a server? Hundreds, with ease. NFS is not the bottleneck, your shares are limited by how much bandwidth you have over the network. Ok, it's a beginning.. :-) thank you ! Nfs hasn't been designed for laptop, it's ok. But, appart from coda (which has a file size limit of 1 giga, so, useless in home networking), I know nothing that is fit for network file-sharing for laptop (the laptop isn't the server of course). I search a solution for that since years ! samba?
Re: [gentoo-user] autofs
Apparently, though unproven, at 14:18 on Friday 03 June 2011, Volker Armin Hemmann did opine thusly: On Friday 03 June 2011 13:37:54 Stéphane Guedon wrote: On Friday 03 June 2011 12:55:58 Alan McKinnon wrote: Apparently, though unproven, at 12:44 on Friday 03 June 2011, Stéphane Guedon did opine thusly: anyone use autofs to manage mounting of nfs on a laptop ? Is this mounting a share from an nfs server onto a laptop? Is it fluent, easy to use ? It's NFS. The words nfs and fluent, easy to use do not belong in the same sentence unless there's a not in the middle. The point is that NFS was not designed with laptops and other devices that can be disconnected in mind. It was designed for secure LANs that do not change much, and laptops present issues that are not easy to solve. How many shares maximum ? From a server? Hundreds, with ease. NFS is not the bottleneck, your shares are limited by how much bandwidth you have over the network. Ok, it's a beginning.. :-) thank you ! Nfs hasn't been designed for laptop, it's ok. But, appart from coda (which has a file size limit of 1 giga, so, useless in home networking), I know nothing that is fit for network file-sharing for laptop (the laptop isn't the server of course). I search a solution for that since years ! samba? +1 Samba works nicely for ad-hoc connections, the kind of thing Windows clients would do. And it's a lot more tolerant of connections going away than NFS. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] autofs
Am 03.06.2011 14:25, schrieb Alan McKinnon: Apparently, though unproven, at 14:18 on Friday 03 June 2011, Volker Armin Hemmann did opine thusly: On Friday 03 June 2011 13:37:54 Stéphane Guedon wrote: On Friday 03 June 2011 12:55:58 Alan McKinnon wrote: Apparently, though unproven, at 12:44 on Friday 03 June 2011, Stéphane Guedon did opine thusly: [...] The point is that NFS was not designed with laptops and other devices that can be disconnected in mind. It was designed for secure LANs that do not change much, and laptops present issues that are not easy to solve. [...] Nfs hasn't been designed for laptop, it's ok. But, appart from coda (which has a file size limit of 1 giga, so, useless in home networking), I know nothing that is fit for network file-sharing for laptop (the laptop isn't the server of course). I search a solution for that since years ! samba? +1 Samba works nicely for ad-hoc connections, the kind of thing Windows clients would do. And it's a lot more tolerant of connections going away than NFS. I always was under the impression that NFS is more fault-tolerant on the network because of its usage of stateless UDP connections whereas CIFS usually freezes when the connection is lost. In the end, both issue an IO error, usually crashing an unprepared application. So, in which regard performs CIFS better with interrupted connections? That being said, I always use NFS over TCP because of performance issues with UDP and wireless LAN. Regards, Florian Philipp signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
[gentoo-user] Where be the hardened Stage3?
Anyone knows why current-stage3/ no longer has the hardened stage3 tarballs? Rgds, -- Pandu E Poluan ~ IT Optimizer ~ Visit my Blog: http://pepoluan.posterous.com
Re: [gentoo-user] Cleaning redundant configuration files
On Fri, 03 Jun 2011 01:00:02 +0200, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote about Re: [gentoo-user] Cleaning redundant configuration files: There is a simple rule in computing: NEVER remove user created data That is utter rubbish. Obsolete data can be dangerous, so once it's genuinely obsolete it should be gone. If that were true, why would it even be possible to delete data? that also applies to config files. And obsolete configuration files are even more likely to be dangerous than general data. -- Regards, Dave [RLU #314465] *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* dwn...@ntlworld.com (David W Noon) *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Cleaning redundant configuration files
On 06/03/2011 07:52 AM, David W Noon wrote: On Fri, 03 Jun 2011 01:00:02 +0200, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote about Re: [gentoo-user] Cleaning redundant configuration files: There is a simple rule in computing: NEVER remove user created data That is utter rubbish. Obsolete data can be dangerous, so once it's genuinely obsolete it should be gone. No, he doesn't mean in the general sense. He means it's never the auspices of someone else to delete your user-created data. Have we sufficiently beaten this dead horse?
Re: [gentoo-user] autofs
Apparently, though unproven, at 14:57 on Friday 03 June 2011, Florian Philipp did opine thusly: Am 03.06.2011 14:25, schrieb Alan McKinnon: Apparently, though unproven, at 14:18 on Friday 03 June 2011, Volker Armin Hemmann did opine thusly: On Friday 03 June 2011 13:37:54 Stéphane Guedon wrote: On Friday 03 June 2011 12:55:58 Alan McKinnon wrote: Apparently, though unproven, at 12:44 on Friday 03 June 2011, Stéphane Guedon did opine thusly: [...] The point is that NFS was not designed with laptops and other devices that can be disconnected in mind. It was designed for secure LANs that do not change much, and laptops present issues that are not easy to solve. [...] Nfs hasn't been designed for laptop, it's ok. But, appart from coda (which has a file size limit of 1 giga, so, useless in home networking), I know nothing that is fit for network file-sharing for laptop (the laptop isn't the server of course). I search a solution for that since years ! samba? +1 Samba works nicely for ad-hoc connections, the kind of thing Windows clients would do. And it's a lot more tolerant of connections going away than NFS. I always was under the impression that NFS is more fault-tolerant on the network because of its usage of stateless UDP connections whereas CIFS usually freezes when the connection is lost. In the end, both issue an IO error, usually crashing an unprepared application. So, in which regard performs CIFS better with interrupted connections? I find that when an NFS server disappears from the client's view, the only thing that brings it back is making the server visible again. True, there are options that modify this behaviour (hard, soft) but they come with their own risks as described in the man page. Trying to unmount an NFS mount with no server is painful, and all too easy to do if you carry your laptop to a meeting room in another building. CIFS can usually at least be killed (depending on how it's mounted) - a kioslave in konqueror for example is easy to kill. Neither option is well suited for laptops IMO but on balance CIFS tends to be easier for the user to deal with. That being said, I always use NFS over TCP because of performance issues with UDP and wireless LAN. Smart move. I genuinely feel that the use-case for NFS over UDP has largely gone away in these modern times and TCP is the better choice for normal use. OT, but the same applies to auth systems i.e. tacacs vs radius -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] Cleaning redundant configuration files
Apparently, though unproven, at 16:52 on Friday 03 June 2011, David W Noon did opine thusly: On Fri, 03 Jun 2011 01:00:02 +0200, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote about Re: [gentoo-user] Cleaning redundant configuration files: There is a simple rule in computing: NEVER remove user created data That is utter rubbish. Obsolete data can be dangerous, so once it's genuinely obsolete it should be gone. You are painting yourself into a corner. Why don't you just admit the obvious, that you are holding onto an untenable position? And please stop inferring other context than what is there. If that were true, why would it even be possible to delete data? Look at what the statement applies to - an automated tool running cleanup operations after itself. You have strawmanned it into applying universally, which is decidedly NOT what Volker communicated. that also applies to config files. And obsolete configuration files are even more likely to be dangerous than general data. Prove it. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: chrome and everything
Apparently, though unproven, at 13:12 on Friday 03 June 2011, Indi did opine
thusly:
On Fri, Jun 03, 2011 at 09:20:01AM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
Compare how Google goes about doing things with how Adobe does it.
The Google Chromium team appears to take security seriously and are open
and up-front about what they do.
Adobe likes to stonewall on issues and create an aura of how sekrit stuff
is.
Which one inspires confidence in fellow geeks?
Neither. Adobe is utterly incompetent and apathetic, google is evil
and wants to sell ad space for h3rb41 v14gr4 in your brain.
Flash is a necessary evil for a lot of us, chrome(ium) is not.
I think of it more a case of there being no viable alternative to Flash[1]
whereas Chrom{e,ium} is just one more browser amongst many.
I use Flash myself even though I hate the way it performs.
[1] There are flash alternatives, but by and large only support out of date
features, so they are not really viable.
--
alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] Where be the hardened Stage3?
On 06/03/11 09:28, Pandu Poluan wrote: Anyone knows why current-stage3/ no longer has the hardened stage3 tarballs? Rgds, Try this for now? http://gentoo.osuosl.org/releases/amd64/autobuilds/
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: chrome and everything
On Fri, Jun 03, 2011 at 06:10:02PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
Apparently, though unproven, at 13:12 on Friday 03 June 2011, Indi did opine
thusly:
On Fri, Jun 03, 2011 at 09:20:01AM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
Compare how Google goes about doing things with how Adobe does it.
The Google Chromium team appears to take security seriously and are open
and up-front about what they do.
Adobe likes to stonewall on issues and create an aura of how sekrit stuff
is.
Which one inspires confidence in fellow geeks?
Neither. Adobe is utterly incompetent and apathetic, google is evil
and wants to sell ad space for h3rb41 v14gr4 in your brain.
Flash is a necessary evil for a lot of us, chrome(ium) is not.
I think of it more a case of there being no viable alternative to Flash[1]
whereas Chrom{e,ium} is just one more browser amongst many.
I use Flash myself even though I hate the way it performs.
[1] There are flash alternatives, but by and large only support out of date
features, so they are not really viable.
Agreed. I do wish we'd get something open and reasonably well coded to replace
flash, but I think perhaps the biggest reason for the success of flash
is its sneakiness in tracking users and ability to enforce DRM. Big Business
just loves that sort of thing.
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Re: [gentoo-user] Cleaning redundant configuration files
On Fri, 03 Jun 2011 17:20:02 +0200, Bill Longman wrote about Re: [gentoo-user] Cleaning redundant configuration files: On 06/03/2011 07:52 AM, David W Noon wrote: On Fri, 03 Jun 2011 01:00:02 +0200, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote about Re: [gentoo-user] Cleaning redundant configuration files: There is a simple rule in computing: NEVER remove user created data That is utter rubbish. Obsolete data can be dangerous, so once it's genuinely obsolete it should be gone. No, he doesn't mean in the general sense. He means it's never the auspices of someone else to delete your user-created data. Well, it's the sysadmin who installs the packages; it's the sysadmin who modifies the configuration files; it's the sysadmin who deletes the packages. There is no someone else, at least on my systems. Have we sufficiently beaten this dead horse? It stopped breathing a day or two back, so I guess so. -- Regards, Dave [RLU #314465] *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* dwn...@ntlworld.com (David W Noon) *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE - specifically kwin question
On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 4:07 AM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Fri, 03 Jun 2011 01:04:15 -0400, CJoeB wrote: With my new and fresh installation of gentoo and kde, I figured out that by right-clicking on the tab at the bottom of the terminal window and choosing Rename and selecting the %w option, I can get this to display. However, I can't seem to figure out how to make it stick because on closing the window and reopening it, the effect that I want goes away. It's a setting in the Konsole profile. SettingsConfigure ProfilesEdit ProfileTabs. Thanks. This works. Didn't try clicking on Profile - was chicken-shit thinking I would screw something up if I went into that. Regards, Colleen
RE: [gentoo-user] Where be the hardened Stage3?
-original message- Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Where be the hardened Stage3? From: Michael Orlitzky mich...@orlitzky.com Date: 2011-06-03 23:05 On 06/03/11 09:28, Pandu Poluan wrote: Anyone knows why current-stage3/ no longer has the hardened stage3 tarballs? Try this for now? http://gentoo.osuosl.org/releases/amd64/autobuilds/ Thanks, found that when I spelunked into the deep underbelly of the intarwebz :) The question still remains, though: Why not in current-stage3/ ? Any serious technical issues that'll kill my puppies? (Lest I be misunderstood: if it's the council's decision, I'm not for nor against the decision. Just curious, is all.) Rgds, -- Pandu E Poluan ~ IT Optimizer ~ Sent from Nokia E72-1
Re: [gentoo-user] Cleaning redundant configuration files
On Friday 03 June 2011 15:52:25 David W Noon wrote: On Fri, 03 Jun 2011 01:00:02 +0200, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote about Re: [gentoo-user] Cleaning redundant configuration files: There is a simple rule in computing: NEVER remove user created data That is utter rubbish. Obsolete data can be dangerous, so once it's genuinely obsolete it should be gone. bullshit. The package manager has no way to know what user generated data is obsolete. All it knows that the file it installed was manipulated. If that were true, why would it even be possible to delete data? because the user decides to delete the data. Not the machine. Not a package manager. that also applies to config files. And obsolete configuration files are even more likely to be dangerous than general data. really? Please show me an example of.. say an undeleted pure-ftpd configuration has a bad influence on your system. It is your job as administrator to clean up config files. Because only you, the administrator know what files can be deleted, which files should be saved (even just for documentation) and which files must not be touched. The package manager can not decide that.
Re: [gentoo-user] Cleaning redundant configuration files
Nobody wants portage to delete modified config files. Some people might think they do, but they don't: they just don't know it yet. See also: condoms, seatbelts.
Re: [gentoo-user] Cleaning redundant configuration files
David W Noon wrote: On Fri, 03 Jun 2011 01:00:02 +0200, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote about Re: [gentoo-user] Cleaning redundant configuration files: There is a simple rule in computing: NEVER remove user created data That is utter rubbish. Obsolete data can be dangerous, so once it's genuinely obsolete it should be gone. If that were true, why would it even be possible to delete data? that also applies to config files. And obsolete configuration files are even more likely to be dangerous than general data. I think the rubbish is in your post. IF, big IF for a reason, the config file is obsolete, the user should know that and can delete it themselves. Also, if a package is updated and it is such a huge update, the config tool is going to let the user know about the changes. Let's see, openrc comes to mind on this one since it was recently done. Some config files were moved, done away with and justs plain old changed. In that case, portage told us what files could be deleted, what had to be changed and such. . I hope you realize that if the devs were to decide to do this that they would also listen to the users. You seem to be the only one that wants config files deleted by default. The devs are most likely to see it the same as we do because they have a clear understanding of what Gentoo is all about. In case you need a reminder, the person responsible for administering their system sits in the chair. Portage just helps the person in the chair. As far as I know, portage has never deleted user data. Anything that is changed by the user becomes user data and the user owns it from then on. As some already know, I been using Gentoo since about 2003. It's not like I am new here. I don't recall portage ever deleting a users data, ever. I like the idea of having the option to remove config files but NOT by default as you seem to suggest. If you take this to the devs to have this added to portage's feature set, I would put in my $0.02 worth. I would expect that they would have much more than $0.02 worth to add to the idea. I feel requesting it as a default behavior would be the death of the whole idea. Care to request it and see what happens? Dale :-) :-)
[gentoo-user] Still haveing problems with audio and guvcview
Hi, for my webcam (Nam Tai EE Products Ltd. or OmniVision Technologies, Inc. Sony Playstation Eye) I am using guvcview 1.4.5. The Webcam is attached via usb to my PC. Since the webcams audio device was not listed in the according drop down menu of guvcview I browsed through the kernel (2.6.39 vanilla) config and found, that I forgot to include the usb-audio module. After recompiling and rebooting, guvcview now lists the webcams audio device (but still no sound). Unfortunately it kills any sound when using mplayer, which says: == Opening video decoder: [ffmpeg] FFmpeg's libavcodec codec family Selected video codec: [ffh264] vfm: ffmpeg (FFmpeg H.264) == == Opening audio decoder: [ffmpeg] FFmpeg/libavcodec audio decoders AUDIO: 44100 Hz, 2 ch, s16le, 111.8 kbit/7.92% (ratio: 13970-176400) Selected audio codec: [ffaac] afm: ffmpeg (FFmpeg AAC (MPEG-2/MPEG-4 Audio)) == [AO_ALSA] alsa-lib: pcm_dmix.c:1018:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave [AO_ALSA] Playback open error: No such file or directory [JACK] cannot open server [AO SDL] Samplerate: 44100Hz Channels: Stereo Format s16le [AO_ALSA] alsa-lib: pcm_dmix.c:1018:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave [AO SDL] Unable to open audio: No available audio device DVB card number must be between 1 and 4 AO: [null] 44100Hz 2ch s16le (2 bytes per sample) Starting playback... /dev/audio and /dev/audio1 do exist... cat /proc/asound/cards 0 [CameraB404271 ]: USB-Audio - USB Camera-B4.04.27.1 OmniVision Technologies, Inc. USB Camera-B4.04.27.1 at usb-:00:12.2-3, high 1 [SB ]: HDA-Intel - HDA ATI SB HDA ATI SB at 0xfcaf8000 irq 16 2 [NVidia ]: HDA-Intel - HDA NVidia HDA NVidia at 0xfe97c000 irq 25 When using vlc to watch tv (dvbt) the sound is interrupted (stuutering) and/or heavily distorted (sound reminds me on sandpaper with glas instead of the sand...;) Before including usb-audio everything (with exception of the missing audio device of my cam...) was working fine. I think I will get lost without any help of the external world... ;) Attached this email you will find my compressed kernel config. Thank you very much in advance for any help! Best regards, mcc lnx2639config.gz Description: application/gunzip
Re: [gentoo-user] emerge --depclean - libcurl.la
On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 11:44 AM, dhk...@optonline.net wrote: - Original Message - From: Paul Hartman Date: Thursday, June 2, 2011 11:24 am Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] emerge --depclean - libcurl.la To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 9:54 AM, wrote: emerge --depclean removed libcurl.la a few days ago. I have a program that's not in world that uses it when built: libtool complains that it's missing. In /usr/lib64 there are libcurl .so files but no .la files. How can I get the libcurl.la library back and keep it so emerge --depclean doesn't remove it? Have you run lafilefixer --justfixit? I wonder if you have old .la files from packages emerged before portage 2.1.9. After running it once, you shouldn't need it anymore since portage will auto-fix them upon installation. You should run the lafilefixer command before trying revdep-rebuild, or else you might have a lot of unnecessary emerges. AFAIK the usage of .la files is basically deprecated and only a few packages still require them. Flameeyes posted a lot of details about it on his blog last year. (http://blog.flameeyes.eu) I did the lafilefixer and revdep-rebuild and it still happens. I think it may be in my project directory. In there I have three files libtool, Makefile.in, and acinclude.m4 each make reference to libtool. It's commented out in the configure.ac file. Something is still looking for libcurl.la and libtool is trying to link to it. I grep'ed for curl and nothing is returned. I'm using the Berkeley C++ xml database, libxml2, and other things. I cleaned up all the Makefiles and reran libtoolize. The error is as follows. gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I.. -Wall -g2 -O0 -DDEBUG -DG_LOG_DOMAIN=\domain\ -DPACKAGE_DATA_DIR=\/tmp/domain\ -DPACKAGE_LOCALE_DIR=\/tmp/domain/locale\ -DROOTLOGICDIR=\/tmp/domain\ -I/opt/BerkeleyDB/dbxml-2.5.16/install/include -pthread -I/usr/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/lib64/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/include/gtk-2.0 -I/usr/lib64/gtk-2.0/include -I/usr/include/atk-1.0 -I/usr/include/cairo -I/usr/include/gdk-pixbuf-2.0 -I/usr/include/pango-1.0 -I/usr/include/pixman-1 -I/usr/include/freetype2 -I/usr/include/libpng14 -I/usr/include/libxml2 -DMAKE_POS0 -DEXACTNESS -g2 -ggdb -O0 -DDEBUG=1 -MT pso0-companySpecific.o -MD -MP -MF .deps/pso0-companySpecific.Tpo -c -o pso0-companySpecific.o `test -f 'companySpecific.c' || echo './'`companySpecific.c mv -f .deps/pso0-companySpecific.Tpo .deps/pso0-companySpecific.Po /bin/sh ../libtool --tag=CXX --mode=link g++ -g -O2 -export-dynamic -rdynamic -L/opt/BerkeleyDB/dbxml-2.5.16/install/lib -o pso0 pso0-main.o pso0-xt.o pso0-bdb.o pso0-bdbInventory.o pso0-bdbXaction.o pso0-interfaceBuilder.o pso0-epsonPrint.o pso0-number.o pso0-initialize.o pso0-support.o pso0-callbacks.o pso0-psoGetOpts.o pso0-menus.o pso0-psosubs.o pso0-putMsg.o pso0-pso.o pso0-psoGuiBuild.o pso0-ipms.o pso0-plu.o pso0-companySpecific.o -pthread -lgtk-x11-2.0 -lgdk-x11-2.0 -latk-1.0 -lgio-2.0 -lpangoft2-1.0 -lpangocairo-1.0 -lgdk_pixbuf-2.0 -lm -lcairo -lpng14 -lpango-1.0 -lfreetype -lfontconfig -lgobject-2.0 -lgmodule-2.0 -lgthread-2.0 -lrt -lglib-2.0 -lxml2-ldb -ldb_cxx -ldbxml -lxqilla -lxerces-c libtool: link: cannot find the library `/usr/lib64/libcurl.la' or unhandled argument `/usr/lib64/libcurl.la' make[3]: *** [pso0] Error 1 make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/shtarker/Dev/pso/src' make[2]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/shtarker/Dev/pso/src' make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/shtarker/Dev/pso' make: *** [all] Error 2 libtool: link: cannot find the library `/usr/lib64/libcurl.la' or unhandled Thanks, dhk
Re: [gentoo-user] Still haveing problems with audio and guvcview
On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 1:32 PM, meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: cat /proc/asound/cards 0 [CameraB404271 ]: USB-Audio - USB Camera-B4.04.27.1 OmniVision Technologies, Inc. USB Camera-B4.04.27.1 at usb-:00:12.2-3, high 1 [SB ]: HDA-Intel - HDA ATI SB HDA ATI SB at 0xfcaf8000 irq 16 2 [NVidia ]: HDA-Intel - HDA NVidia HDA NVidia at 0xfe97c000 irq 25 (I don't know about Jack or Pulseaudio, in case you use those, maybe it complicates things) but with ALSA you can specify the cards order in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa.conf to help this kind of situation become easier. I have the same (onboard + hdmi + webcam) and it seemed like the order was random every time I rebooted, and I had to reconfigure all my things that use sound. Fixing the order to be the same every time helped to solve that problem. For mplayer you can force the output to use the proper device in your mplayer.conf Use alsamixer to enable/disable the inputs depending on when you are using them. Maybe your microphone is recording and played back when you watch TV, causing the bad sounds... it's only a guess. :) For testing it might be easier to use aplay and arecord (from media-sound/alsa-utils) since they give you a more explicit choice of ALSA devices. For example aplay -l will list your playback devices, arecord -l will list the input devices. Then you can experiment with them and alsamixer until you find which one works. The alsa-info script will give you all the info about your sound hardware. Probably more info than you care about knowing. :) Good luck, Paul
Re: [gentoo-user] Where be the hardened Stage3?
Apparently, though unproven, at 19:01 on Friday 03 June 2011, Pandu Poluan did opine thusly: -original message- Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Where be the hardened Stage3? From: Michael Orlitzky mich...@orlitzky.com Date: 2011-06-03 23:05 On 06/03/11 09:28, Pandu Poluan wrote: Anyone knows why current-stage3/ no longer has the hardened stage3 tarballs? Try this for now? http://gentoo.osuosl.org/releases/amd64/autobuilds/ Thanks, found that when I spelunked into the deep underbelly of the intarwebz :) The question still remains, though: Why not in current-stage3/ ? Any serious technical issues that'll kill my puppies? (Lest I be misunderstood: if it's the council's decision, I'm not for nor against the decision. Just curious, is all.) The few times I've seen this discussed in public it's usually been something mundane like package X in system won't build for hardened so we omitted that stage till it's fixed or we ran out of time The next stage run usually has them again, so highly unlikely to be anything to be worried about. You can still use the previous version which is about one week older. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: chrome and everything
Apparently, though unproven, at 18:22 on Friday 03 June 2011, Indi did opine
thusly:
Neither. Adobe is utterly incompetent and apathetic, google is evil
and wants to sell ad space for h3rb41 v14gr4 in your brain.
Flash is a necessary evil for a lot of us, chrome(ium) is not.
I think of it more a case of there being no viable alternative to
Flash[1] whereas Chrom{e,ium} is just one more browser amongst many.
I use Flash myself even though I hate the way it performs.
[1] There are flash alternatives, but by and large only support out of
date features, so they are not really viable.
Agreed. I do wish we'd get something open and reasonably well coded to
replace flash, but I think perhaps the biggest reason for the success of
flash is its sneakiness in tracking users and ability to enforce DRM. Big
Business just loves that sort of thing.
Compare skype. Someone just reverse-engineered critical bits of v1.4, I'll bet
money that Skype's (now MS) response will be to tweak the app so that any
open-source implementation gets no response from Skype infrastructure when
used. Same possibility of sneaky shit going on under the surface.
--
alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] Still haveing problems with audio and guvcview
Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com [11-06-03 21:04]: On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 1:32 PM, meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: cat /proc/asound/cards 0 [CameraB404271 ]: USB-Audio - USB Camera-B4.04.27.1 OmniVision Technologies, Inc. USB Camera-B4.04.27.1 at usb-:00:12.2-3, high 1 [SB ]: HDA-Intel - HDA ATI SB HDA ATI SB at 0xfcaf8000 irq 16 2 [NVidia ]: HDA-Intel - HDA NVidia HDA NVidia at 0xfe97c000 irq 25 (I don't know about Jack or Pulseaudio, in case you use those, maybe it complicates things) but with ALSA you can specify the cards order in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa.conf to help this kind of situation become easier. I have the same (onboard + hdmi + webcam) and it seemed like the order was random every time I rebooted, and I had to reconfigure all my things that use sound. Fixing the order to be the same every time helped to solve that problem. For mplayer you can force the output to use the proper device in your mplayer.conf Use alsamixer to enable/disable the inputs depending on when you are using them. Maybe your microphone is recording and played back when you watch TV, causing the bad sounds... it's only a guess. :) For testing it might be easier to use aplay and arecord (from media-sound/alsa-utils) since they give you a more explicit choice of ALSA devices. For example aplay -l will list your playback devices, arecord -l will list the input devices. Then you can experiment with them and alsamixer until you find which one works. The alsa-info script will give you all the info about your sound hardware. Probably more info than you care about knowing. :) Good luck, Paul Hi Paul, thank you for your help! :) In the meantime vlc and mplayer sound ok and the usb-cam-audio-device is visible (I stress visible here instead of audible ! ;) ) for guvcview. When i start alsamixer and select with the soundcard-selector the audio device of my usb cam ... alsamixer crashes with: cannot load mixer controls: Invalid argument ...still no sound via usb cam and it seems no chance to use alsamixer with it...damn...this /had/ worked and I dont know what it kills... mylinux:/home/useraplay -l List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices card 0: SB [HDA ATI SB], device 0: VT2020 Analog [VT2020 Analog] Subdevices: 2/2 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 Subdevice #1: subdevice #1 card 0: SB [HDA ATI SB], device 1: VT2020 Digital [VT2020 Digital] Subdevices: 2/2 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 Subdevice #1: subdevice #1 mylinux:/home/userarecord -l List of CAPTURE Hardware Devices card 0: SB [HDA ATI SB], device 0: VT2020 Analog [VT2020 Analog] Subdevices: 2/2 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 Subdevice #1: subdevice #1 card 1: CameraB404271 [USB Camera-B4.04.27.1], device 0: USB Audio [USB Audio] Subdevices: 1/1 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 The output of alsa-info is below... May be there is a little hope to still get it working again... Best regards and have a nice weekend! mcc upload=truescript=truecardinfo= !! !!ALSA Information Script v 0.4.60 !! !!Script ran on: Fri Jun 3 20:08:04 UTC 2011 !!Linux Distribution !!-- Gentoo Base System release 2.0.2 !!DMI Information !!--- Manufacturer: System manufacturer Product Name: System Product Name Product Version: System Version !!Kernel Information !!-- Kernel release:2.6.39 Operating System: GNU/Linux Architecture: x86_64 Processor: AMD Phenom(tm) II X6 1090T Processor SMP Enabled: Yes !!ALSA Version !! Driver version: 1.0.24 Library version:1.0.24.1 Utilities version: 1.0.24.2 !!Loaded ALSA modules !!--- !!Sound Servers on this system !! Pulseaudio: Installed - Yes (/usr/bin/pulseaudio) Running - No ESound Daemon: Installed - Yes (/usr/bin/esd) Running - No Jack: Installed - Yes (/usr/bin/jackd) Running - No !!Soundcards recognised by ALSA !!- 0 [SB ]: HDA-Intel - HDA ATI SB HDA ATI SB at 0xfcaf8000 irq 16 1 [CameraB404271 ]: USB-Audio - USB Camera-B4.04.27.1 OmniVision Technologies, Inc. USB Camera-B4.04.27.1 at usb-:00:12.2-3, high 2 [NVidia ]: HDA-Intel - HDA NVidia HDA NVidia at 0xfe97c000 irq 25 !!PCI Soundcards installed in the system !!-- 00:14.2 Audio device: ATI Technologies Inc SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA) (rev 40) 01:06.0 Multimedia video controller: Brooktree Corporation Bt878 Video Capture (rev 11) 01:06.1 Multimedia controller: Brooktree Corporation Bt878 Audio Capture (rev 11) 08:00.1 Audio device: nVidia Corporation Device 0bea (rev a1) !!Advanced information - PCI
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: chrome and everything
On Fri, Jun 03, 2011 at 10:20:02PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
Apparently, though unproven, at 18:22 on Friday 03 June 2011, Indi did opine
thusly:
Neither. Adobe is utterly incompetent and apathetic, google is evil
and wants to sell ad space for h3rb41 v14gr4 in your brain.
Flash is a necessary evil for a lot of us, chrome(ium) is not.
I think of it more a case of there being no viable alternative to
Flash[1] whereas Chrom{e,ium} is just one more browser amongst many.
I use Flash myself even though I hate the way it performs.
[1] There are flash alternatives, but by and large only support out of
date features, so they are not really viable.
Agreed. I do wish we'd get something open and reasonably well coded to
replace flash, but I think perhaps the biggest reason for the success of
flash is its sneakiness in tracking users and ability to enforce DRM. Big
Business just loves that sort of thing.
Compare skype. Someone just reverse-engineered critical bits of v1.4, I'll
bet
money that Skype's (now MS) response will be to tweak the app so that any
open-source implementation gets no response from Skype infrastructure when
used. Same possibility of sneaky shit going on under the surface.
Just about everythng Microsoft touches goes bad.
R.I.P Skype.
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: chrome and everything
On Friday 03 Jun 2011 21:07:36 Alan McKinnon wrote:
Apparently, though unproven, at 18:22 on Friday 03 June 2011, Indi did
opine
thusly:
Neither. Adobe is utterly incompetent and apathetic, google is evil
and wants to sell ad space for h3rb41 v14gr4 in your brain.
Flash is a necessary evil for a lot of us, chrome(ium) is not.
I think of it more a case of there being no viable alternative to
Flash[1] whereas Chrom{e,ium} is just one more browser amongst many.
I use Flash myself even though I hate the way it performs.
[1] There are flash alternatives, but by and large only support out of
date features, so they are not really viable.
Agreed. I do wish we'd get something open and reasonably well coded to
replace flash,
I do hope that html5 will do away with it altogether.
but I think perhaps the biggest reason for the success of
flash is its sneakiness in tracking users and ability to enforce DRM. Big
Business just loves that sort of thing.
Thankfully, rtmpdump and friends do away with such issues.
Compare skype. Someone just reverse-engineered critical bits of v1.4, I'll
bet money that Skype's (now MS) response will be to tweak the app so that
any open-source implementation gets no response from Skype infrastructure
when used. Same possibility of sneaky shit going on under the surface.
I'm looking forward to using it - especially if it will allow me to stop Skype
using my machine (and bandwidth) as a proxy node.
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: chrome and everything
On Friday 03 June 2011 22:50:28 Mick wrote: Agreed. I do wish we'd get something open and reasonably well coded to replace flash, I do hope that html5 will do away with it altogether. you can easily block flash. You won't be able to block all that moving add crap in html5. Why do you think the ad-slingers (google the biggest among them) push for h5?
Re: [gentoo-user] emerge --depclean - libcurl.la
On Friday 03 Jun 2011 19:36:19 dhk wrote: libtool: link: cannot find the library `/usr/lib64/libcurl.la' or unhandled Only to add that I haven't got this file in my amd64 system either: $ ls -la /usr/lib64/libcurl.la ls: cannot access /usr/lib64/libcurl.la: No such file or directory -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: chrome and everything
On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 3:44 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote: On Friday 03 June 2011 22:50:28 Mick wrote: Agreed. I do wish we'd get something open and reasonably well coded to replace flash, I do hope that html5 will do away with it altogether. you can easily block flash. You won't be able to block all that moving add crap in html5. Why do you think the ad-slingers (google the biggest among them) push for h5? 12 days to Chromebook...
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: chrome and everything
On Sat, Jun 04, 2011 at 12:50:02AM +0200, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Friday 03 June 2011 22:50:28 Mick wrote: Agreed. I do wish we'd get something open and reasonably well coded to replace flash, I do hope that html5 will do away with it altogether. you can easily block flash. You won't be able to block all that moving add crap in html5. Why do you think the ad-slingers (google the biggest among them) push for h5? With privoxy and noscript there isn't much that can't be blocked. -- caveat utilitor ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: chrome and everything
On Friday 03 June 2011 19:49:40 Indi wrote: On Sat, Jun 04, 2011 at 12:50:02AM +0200, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Friday 03 June 2011 22:50:28 Mick wrote: Agreed. I do wish we'd get something open and reasonably well coded to replace flash, I do hope that html5 will do away with it altogether. you can easily block flash. You won't be able to block all that moving add crap in html5. Why do you think the ad-slingers (google the biggest among them) push for h5? With privoxy and noscript there isn't much that can't be blocked. you are going to be surprised.
Re: [gentoo-user] chrome and everything
On 2011/06/03 19:49 (GMT-0400) Indi composed:
On Sat, Jun 04, 2011 at 12:50:02AM +0200, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
Mick wrote:
Agreed. I do wish we'd get something open and reasonably well coded to
replace flash,
I do hope that html5 will do away with it altogether.
you can easily block flash.
You won't be able to block all that moving add crap in html5. Why do you think
the ad-slingers (google the biggest among them) push for h5?
With privoxy and noscript there isn't much that can't be blocked.
Things like div#google {display: none !important;} in user stylesheets don't
hurt either.
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[gentoo-user] Re: emerge --depclean - libcurl.la
On 06/02/2011 08:44 AM, dhk...@optonline.net wrote: - Original Message - From: Paul Hartman Date: Thursday, June 2, 2011 11:24 am Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] emerge --depclean - libcurl.la To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 9:54 AM, wrote: emerge --depclean removed libcurl.la a few days ago. I have a program that's not in world that uses it when built: I did the lafilefixer and revdep-rebuild and it still happens. I think it may be in my project directory. In there I have three files libtool, Makefile.in, and acinclude.m4 each make reference to libtool. It's commented out in the configure.ac file. Just to clarify: you say your program/project is not in world. I'm wondering if instead that you mean it's not in gentoo's portage system?
Re: [gentoo-user] autofs
On Fri, 2011-06-03 at 14:57 +0200, Florian Philipp wrote: Am 03.06.2011 14:25, schrieb Alan McKinnon: Apparently, though unproven, at 14:18 on Friday 03 June 2011, Volker Armin Hemmann did opine thusly: On Friday 03 June 2011 13:37:54 Stéphane Guedon wrote: On Friday 03 June 2011 12:55:58 Alan McKinnon wrote: Apparently, though unproven, at 12:44 on Friday 03 June 2011, Stéphane Guedon did opine thusly: [...] The point is that NFS was not designed with laptops and other devices that can be disconnected in mind. It was designed for secure LANs that do not change much, and laptops present issues that are not easy to solve. [...] Nfs hasn't been designed for laptop, it's ok. But, appart from coda (which has a file size limit of 1 giga, so, useless in home networking), I know nothing that is fit for network file-sharing for laptop (the laptop isn't the server of course). I search a solution for that since years ! samba? +1 Samba works nicely for ad-hoc connections, the kind of thing Windows clients would do. And it's a lot more tolerant of connections going away than NFS. I always was under the impression that NFS is more fault-tolerant on the network because of its usage of stateless UDP connections whereas CIFS usually freezes when the connection is lost. In the end, both issue an IO error, usually crashing an unprepared application. So, in which regard performs CIFS better with interrupted connections? That being said, I always use NFS over TCP because of performance issues with UDP and wireless LAN. Regards, Florian Philipp No, its ok in a fixed network but you get wierd issues like clients hanging on shutdown because the NFS server goes away first, and its an administrative pita when it stops working - could be firewall, something missed in a new kernel etc. Ive been using it for mythtv and diskless systems (NFS over TCP) for quite awhile and its a fight every few months to find out why host x syuddenly doesnt want to play. But otherwise works well use wise in a controlled environment. Laptops are a whole different matter though - you might be better off side stepping if its only looking at media by looking into streaming rather than storage mapping. Otherwise, Samba is probably the next best. BillK -- William Kenworthy bi...@iinet.net.au Home in Perth!
Re: [gentoo-user] emerge --depclean - libcurl.la
Correct, not in world. Sent from my LG phone Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote: On Friday 03 Jun 2011 19:36:19 dhk wrote: libtool: link: cannot find the library `/usr/lib64/libcurl.la' or unhandled Only to add that I haven't got this file in my amd64 system either: $ ls -la /usr/lib64/libcurl.la ls: cannot access /usr/lib64/libcurl.la: No such file or directory -- Regards, Mick
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: website design
On 3 June 2011, at 08:44, Alan McKinnon wrote: ... So it's like that Java-based gmail client for smartphones? The one that can only top posts and gives the user no way to do it otherwise. I thought *every* mail client for smart phones did that, these days, and that we on this list had gone from being a bunch of intolerant geek assholes (genuinely not looking at anyone specific here) who could not accept top-posting under any circumstances to permitting it from those devices. Stroller.
Re: [gentoo-user] Caching Proxy alternative to Squid?
On 3 June 2011, at 09:59, Pandu Poluan wrote: ... Oookay... something's wrong with the box itself... Even Apache TS failed for the pages where Squid failed o_O Time to rebuild the box, then . emerge -e everything!
Re: [gentoo-user] Cleaning redundant configuration files
On 3 June 2011, at 16:54, Alan McKinnon wrote: ... Well, thank you for speaking your mind. Very few people do that. Is the issue now dealt with so we can move on? I guess so. You asked, I answered. I don't think I've got anything else to say on the subject. Nuff respect to you for your calm response. Stroller.
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: website design
On Sat, Jun 04, 2011 at 03:00:01AM +0200, Stroller wrote: On 3 June 2011, at 08:44, Alan McKinnon wrote: ... So it's like that Java-based gmail client for smartphones? The one that can only top posts and gives the user no way to do it otherwise. I thought *every* mail client for smart phones did that, these days, and that we on this list had gone from being a bunch of intolerant geek assholes (genuinely not looking at anyone specific here) who could not accept top-posting under any circumstances to permitting it from those devices. Where's the fun in that? -- caveat utilitor ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: website design
Indi wrote: On Sat, Jun 04, 2011 at 03:00:01AM +0200, Stroller wrote: On 3 June 2011, at 08:44, Alan McKinnon wrote: ... So it's like that Java-based gmail client for smartphones? The one that can only top posts and gives the user no way to do it otherwise. I thought *every* mail client for smart phones did that, these days, and that we on this list had gone from being a bunch of intolerant geek assholes (genuinely not looking at anyone specific here) who could not accept top-posting under any circumstances to permitting it from those devices. Where's the fun in that? What I would like to know is why some threads get broken up? My mail client here follows these conversations as threads. For some reason, recently the threads are getting broken as if someone started a fresh one. I'm sure this is not intentional and may not be avoidable but it makes it difficult to follow the conversation. Is the same happening for others or is it just picking on me? Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Diskless setup fails to mount /
On Jun 2, 2011 3:48 AM, Dan Johansson dan.johans...@dmj.nu wrote:
I'm trying to setup a diskless configuration. This is what I have done so
far:
torsson.dmj.nu (192.168.1.3) is the dhcp/tftp/NFSv4-server
abba.dmj.nu (192.168.1.14) is the diskless client
In /etc/dhcp/dhcpd.conf I have the following for the client (among other
things):
# PXE-Boot, abba
option option-150 code 150 = text ;
ddns-update-style none ;
host abba {
hardware ethernet 00:90:dc:07:6e:a7;
fixed-address 192.168.1.14;
filename /abba/boot/pxelinux.0;
}
And in pxelinux.cfg/default I have the following:
label Diskless Gentoo root in NFS
kernel bzImage
append root=/dev/nfs ip=dhcp init=/bin/sh nfsroot=192.168.1.3:
/diskless/abba
Change the nfsroot= to nfsroot=192.168.1.3:/export/diskless/Abbas
The kernel (bzImage) loads OK but when it tries to mount the NFS-root I
get the following:
Root-NFS: Server returned error -13 while mounting /diskless/abba
And on the server I see this in syslog:
rpc.mountd[6772]: refused mount request from 192.168.1.14 for
/diskless/abba (/): not exported
This is how my filesystems are mounted ad exported:
torsson# grep diskless /etc/fstab
/dev/vg00/lvol11/var/diskless reiserfs
noatime 0 2
/var/diskless/abba /export/diskless/abba nonerw,bind 0 0
torsson# mount | grep diskless
/dev/mapper/vg00-lvol11 on /var/diskless type reiserfs (rw,noatime)
/var/diskless/abba on /export/diskless/abba type none (rw,bind)
And this is a part of the /etc/exports
/export
*(ro,fsid=0,insecure,no_subtree_check,sync)
/export/diskless/abba abba.dmj.nu
(rw,nohide,insecure,no_root_squash,no_subtree_check,sync)
I also have other FS exported like this e.g.:
torsson# grep dan /etc/fstab
/dev/vg00/lvol05/home/dan reiserfsnoatime 0
2
/home/dan/tmp /export/Queen/tmp nonerw,bind 0 0
torsson# mount | grep dan
/dev/mapper/vg00-lvol05 on /home/dan type reiserfs (rw,noatime)
/home/dan/tmp on /export/Queen/tmp type none (rw,bind)
And in exports:
/export
*(ro,fsid=0,insecure,no_subtree_check,sync)
/export/Queen/tmp queen.dmj.nu
(rw,no_root_squash,nohide,no_subtree_check,async)
And this client can mount the export:
queen# grep torsson /etc/fstab
torsson.dmj.nu:/Queen/tmp /home/dan/tmp_torsson nfs4
proto=tcp,soft,intr 0 0
queen# mount | grep torsson
torsson.dmj.nu:/Queen/tmp on /home/dan/tmp_torsson type nfs4
(rw,proto=tcp,soft,intr,addr=192.168.1.3,clientaddr=192.168.1.11)
Any idea why the diskless client can not mount it's root-FS?
Regards,
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Re: [gentoo-user] How do I eject an audio CD inside Gnome?
On 3 June 2011, at 02:32, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: ... Your Linux box isn't working, and you're complaining about Macs? That seems a little inappropriate. Let me assure you: when a Mac has a hardware button, it will work just fine. It won't be disabled for no reason. This is why I use Mac for the desktop. Because when I get home after a hard day's work fixing computers I don't want to have to do a bat shit crazy amount of work to keep things working [1 so why do you own a mac? Just days ago I beachballed a mac adding some pictures to a word document. Yeah, that is the legendary MacOS stability. Next time I sat on a mac there were 37gb of stuff in trash. The poor owner tried to delete them. MacOS showed the apropriate reaction, no error anyway - and no file was deleted. Had to go down to the shell - and even after that some crap was still left. Undeletable and with no error messages or informations why. Part of my post that you chose not to quote was I'd be the first to admit that Macs have flaws. All desktops / UIs / operating-systems are a compromise. I don't believe any of them are perfect. Last time I used Linux on the desktop (in ernest) I had some dreadful problems with KDE crashing or failing to open under certain circumstances, which I found frustrating and impossible to overcome. That was several years ago, and no-one on the mailing list or Usenet group I tried was able to help; I don't think I knew at the time to try the KDE mailing list. Currently the biggest thing holding me back from giving Linux another good chance to prove itself to me is basically that Mac OS X is good enough for me. It's exceedingly easy to try the new version - I'm booted off an external USB drive as I write this, and I can copy across my ~ directory from my old system just the way you would with Linux. That's something you can't do with Windows, for example. If I wanted to try Linux, it would take me at least a week to give it a fair chance, to install it, to configure my desktop, to find equivalent applications and configure those, too. And if I didn't like then I'd have that hassle of moving back to Mac OS and having all my files (ODF document files and even just such trivial things as chatlogs) in different formats and so on. That's 7 - 10 days of my life that I have no interest in spending. What's the benefit for me? One concern about using Linux on the desktop is that I don't think the apps will be as good or as polished as the ones I use currently. Another is that (I believe) gestures are not supported in present window managers - presently I can pinch outwards with two fingers to zoom in on an image, or I can swipe with 4 fingers to show an overview of my virtual desktops and open windows. Spreading all 5 fingers shows me the desktop. So I don't like mice, and I was getting pissed off with cleaning my trackball on a daily basis (the ball kinda gets all clogged and slow) … it's hard to find a device with as many buttons as I can make trackpad gestures. You complain of beachballing OS X, using Word. But Word is a Microsoft application. ;) Nevertheless, there are some things I agree are absolutely shit about OS X. Some of these are that way because Steve Jobs wanted them that way, and his good taste is not universal; some are purely technical. It's possible to make OS X swap horribly - that might well be what happened when you dragged the image into Word, but you don't tell us how much RAM that machine had. You don't tell us whether you checked swap consumption in `top` or Activity Monitor. Safari's memory usage seems pretty bad, and I have been easily able to consistently reproduce on occasions a beachball for several minutes as pages are exchanged between RAM and disk; there's a well-known printing bug that causes this, and some particular websites. Almost always it'll sort itself out if it's left alone to settle down. My next machine will have 8gb of RAM, and I'm pretty confident I won't see this problem; I typically have 40 - 60 browser tabs open in perhaps 8 different windows. OS X's HFS gets insanely fragmented in a way that many self-identified Mac experts will deny. They clearly haven't tested their assertions using Amit Singh's hfsdebug (or fileXray) tool. Nevertheless, these are very much manageable problems, they're known and they're clearly defined. If you've got some stuff in Trash that is not deletable, I would guess that you've got a corrupt file system. That can happen on any o/s. This feels like like old joke about I can always get technical support by joining IRC and saying that 'Linux is crap because it doesn't do X'. Then half the channel will spend ages telling me how to do X in Linux. Format an external USB hard-drive as bootable (I believe you use GUID Partition Scheme for Intel Macs and HFS+ Journalled; there is no magic bootable tick-box to check, and no bootloader to install) then boot to an OS
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: website design
On 4 June 2011, at 02:33, Dale wrote: … What I would like to know is why some threads get broken up? My mail client here follows these conversations as threads. For some reason, recently the threads are getting broken as if someone started a fresh one. I'm sure this is not intentional and may not be avoidable but it makes it difficult to follow the conversation. Is the same happening for others or is it just picking on me? Blimey! I'm so glad you mentioned it. Having recently moved to a new mail client (major version) I assumed it was just me that was experiencing this problem. Stroller.
Re: [gentoo-user] How do I eject an audio CD inside Gnome?
Stroller wrote: My next machine will have 8gb of RAM, and I'm pretty confident I won't see this problem; I typically have 40 - 60 browser tabs open in perhaps 8 different windows. Stroller. I used to do that when I was on dial-up. Large pages would take so long, I would click on the links then go take a shower while they loaded. Now that I have DSL, that is sort of funny. I thought I was the only one that did that. lol Way back when I worked on computers, we serviced Mac's, well Apple in General. I always liked Macs. They were easy to work on and just plain worked back then. I'm not sure where Linux was at that time. This would be about 1990 or so. I'm a old fart sometimes. o_O If you think 8Gbs is cool, try 16Gbs. It takes it a while to even fill up with cache. I tried putting portage's work directory on tmpfs, it wasn't any faster. I could have spent that on a really large drive instead. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Threads changing Was: OT: website design
Stroller wrote: On 4 June 2011, at 02:33, Dale wrote: … What I would like to know is why some threads get broken up? My mail client here follows these conversations as threads. For some reason, recently the threads are getting broken as if someone started a fresh one. I'm sure this is not intentional and may not be avoidable but it makes it difficult to follow the conversation. Is the same happening for others or is it just picking on me? Blimey! I'm so glad you mentioned it. Having recently moved to a new mail client (major version) I assumed it was just me that was experiencing this problem. Stroller. Nope, it's not just you. I suspect it is some mobile phone or something that is doing it and that the user(s) don't even know it is happening. I just know it makes things hard to follow. Sort of like top posters. They can't change it but it is still annoying as heck. ;-) The thread Cleaning redundant configuration files is the worst. I just went back and looked. David W Noon is usually where it starts. David, what you got going on there my friend? You using a mobile device or something? ;-) Just curious. Now watch him not read this message. lol Dale :-) :-)
