[gentoo-user] [SOLVED] make modules_install error; modules not recognized as ELF files
On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 04:30:43PM -0500, Paul Hartman wrote On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 4:14 PM, Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote: On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 10:47:34PM -0400, Walter Dnes wrote Is my netbook dying, or is something else wrong? This is an older 32-bit Atom netbook, with CFLAGS=-O2 -march=native -mfpmath=sse -fomit-frame-pointer -pipe -fno-unwind-tables -fno-asynchronous-unwind-tables and 'MAKEOPTS=-j1'. Compiling the kernel works OK, but make modules_install dies as follows... I unmasked kernel 3.5.7-r1 (no, I don't run ext4) and tried again. I got... [aa1][root][/usr/src/linux] make modules_install INSTALL drivers/char/kcopy/kcopy.ko INSTALL drivers/scsi/scsi_wait_scan.ko INSTALL drivers/usb/host/ehci-hcd.ko DEPMOD 3.5.7-gentoo-r1 depmod: /lib/modules/3.5.7-gentoo-r1/modules.builtin is not an ELF file depmod: /lib/modules/3.5.7-gentoo-r1/modules.order is not an ELF file make: *** [_modinst_post] Error 1 Both of these are textfiles, but there were a few *.bin files in the previous kernel build error list. This is a 32-bit machine running gcc 4.6.3. My desktop, also running in 32-bit mode with kernel 3.5.7-r1 and gcc 4.6.3, has no such problem. Any ideas? At some point in the past few months I think module-init-tools was replaced by another package (kmod perhaps, I'm going from memory)... I am wondering if it has something to do with that transition. ELVISThank You, Thank You, Thank You Vey Verrry Much!/ELVIS It was actually modutils that was masked out and replaced with modutils. This had not kicked in yet on the install image I was using on the netbook. I had to unmerge virtual/modutils and modutils, then I was able to emerge kmod. Both kernel 3.5.7 and 3.7.10 built and make modules_install worked. E.g... [aa1][root][/usr/src/linux] make modules_install INSTALL drivers/char/kcopy/kcopy.ko INSTALL drivers/usb/host/ehci-hcd.ko DEPMOD 3.7.10-gentoo Thanks again. -- Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org I don't run desktop environments; I run useful applications
Re: [gentoo-user] [SOLVED] make modules_install error; modules not recognized as ELF files
On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 03:07:01AM -0400, Walter Dnes wrote It was actually modutils that was masked out and replaced with modutils. This had not kicked in yet on the install image I was using on the netbook. I had to unmerge virtual/modutils and modutils, then I was able to emerge kmod. Both kernel 3.5.7 and 3.7.10 built and make modules_install worked. E.g... [aa1][root][/usr/src/linux] make modules_install INSTALL drivers/char/kcopy/kcopy.ko INSTALL drivers/usb/host/ehci-hcd.ko DEPMOD 3.7.10-gentoo Thanks again. For anybody who's reading this thread... you *MUST* use the tools flag with kmod in order to get basic stuff like a man page, lsmod, etc. -- Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org I don't run desktop environments; I run useful applications
Re: [gentoo-user] ntfs-3g problem (I suppose) - locking system
2013/3/15 Francisco Ares fra...@gmail.com Hello. During some months now, this machine was (and still is, sometimes) suffering from a strange progressive lock down. It always has begun with the web browser, passing to the whole X environment, and finally I could not even use a console. After several trial and error actions, as no log entry could give any hint on what is going on, it seems that I found something consistent. This machine is a dual-boot Linux/Windows, as my wife once in a while needs to work on a Windows O.S. . The lock down starts when she saves a file received by e-mail in a ntfs-3g mounted partition, so that file would also be accessible whenever she uses Windows. The reason why I suspect of ntfs-3g is that when the lock down starts, that is, if only the web browser locks, just unmounting (and mounting back later) that partition, recovers the web browser functionality. Sometimes, when the lock down has already affected the whole graphic environment, but I still may use a console, again unmounting that same partition also unlocks everithing. I have already tried to emerge ntfs-3g with different use flags, but the problem persists. Even built a new kernel and re-emerged ntfs-3g after that. Now ntfs-3g package is using its own fuse. I would really appreciate any hints on what to do or where to look for any more information on this subject. Perhaps I am still looking at an effect, and not the cause. Thanks Francisco -- If you have an apple and I have an apple and we exchange apples then you and I will still each have one apple. But if you have an idea and I have one idea and we exchange these ideas, then each of us will have two ideas. - George Bernard Shaw Have you had a look at dmesg after lock / unlock? driver oriented problems should show up here -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen / Best regards Randolph Maaßen
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo speed comparison to other distros
On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 06:52:41PM -0500, Dale wrote I didn't miss anything. I get what some are saying. The reason for my question is this. Gentoo allows a person to customize the OS to the specific hardware it is being run on. Redhat and other binary distros don't allow this, unless you compile your own packages which is no longer really a binary install. So, if I install Redhat on my machine, would it be less efficient than my Gentoo install which is customized for my hardware? Has someone else tested this and made it public? I'm not aware of any. There is my experience with NHL Gamecenter Live on my 2007 Dell Inspiron D530 desktop with onboard Intel GPU. The initial Gentoo install could not handle even the slowest feed. That was the generic i686 code from the initial stage 3. After I ran emerge system and emerge world including the -march=native flag it handles the lowest speed stream just fine. CPU is Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU E4600 @ 2.40GHz. -- Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org I don't run desktop environments; I run useful applications
Re: [gentoo-user] ntfs-3g problem (I suppose) - locking system
On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 22:18:03 -0300, Francisco Ares wrote: This machine is a dual-boot Linux/Windows, as my wife once in a while needs to work on a Windows O.S. . The lock down starts when she saves a file received by e-mail in a ntfs-3g mounted partition, so that file would also be accessible whenever she uses Windows. Have you checked the filesystem for corruption/inconsistency in Windows and with ntfsck? -- Neil Bothwick A clean desk is a sign of a cluttered desk drawer. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo speed comparison to other distros
On Fri, 15 Mar 2013 13:47:49 +0800, Mark David Dumlao wrote: There's no need to rebuild everything, and those other flags make no sense when using -e. Generally you only need emerge -uaD --changed-use @world I know that, in general principle. But it's a test environment. I'd assume stricter standards of purity there than elsewhere. simply going by changed-use can break some library dependencies. We need to use depclean to remove build deps junk after the emptytree, and we're revdep-rebuilding twice in case the depclean borked something. (To be really strict, revdep-rebuild should be repeated until it stops building things...) portage should handle that itself nowadays, but it doesn't hurt to run revdep-rebuild to be sure. You could use -N instead of --changed-use but I still think -e is unnecessary. Heck in some setups empty-tree will simply fail thanks to circular deps of the global use flags and you'll need manual intervention to bootstrap a package with less USE... And that's a good reason to not use -e. If you do use -e, none of the other options make any sense, -u -D and -N are meaningless if the system thinks nothing is installed and there's no point in using -t without -a or -p, and with -e it would generate so much output I'm not sure many people would bother reading it all. -- Neil Bothwick Cross-country skiing is great in small countries. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] [SOLVED] make modules_install error; modules not recognized as ELF files
On Fri, 15 Mar 2013 03:37:05 -0400, Walter Dnes wrote: For anybody who's reading this thread... you *MUST* use the tools flag with kmod in order to get basic stuff like a man page, lsmod, etc. The tools flag is enabled by default in the kmod ebuild, so only those who choose to deliberately break their system with USE=-* so they can spend time fixing it will be affected. -- Neil Bothwick Did you know that eskimos have 17 different words for linguist? signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo speed comparison to other distros
On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 5:26 PM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Fri, 15 Mar 2013 13:47:49 +0800, Mark David Dumlao wrote: There's no need to rebuild everything, and those other flags make no sense when using -e. Generally you only need emerge -uaD --changed-use @world I know that, in general principle. But it's a test environment. I'd assume stricter standards of purity there than elsewhere. simply going by changed-use can break some library dependencies. We need to use depclean to remove build deps junk after the emptytree, and we're revdep-rebuilding twice in case the depclean borked something. (To be really strict, revdep-rebuild should be repeated until it stops building things...) portage should handle that itself nowadays, but it doesn't hurt to run revdep-rebuild to be sure. You could use -N instead of --changed-use but I still think -e is unnecessary. Heck in some setups empty-tree will simply fail thanks to circular deps of the global use flags and you'll need manual intervention to bootstrap a package with less USE... And that's a good reason to not use -e. If you do use -e, none of the other options make any sense, -u -D and -N are meaningless if the system thinks nothing is installed and there's no point in using -t without -a or -p, and with -e it would generate so much output I'm not sure many people would bother reading it all. I'm pretty sure I just recycled the emptytree + deep/newuse advice from one of the docs. I see it mentioned in the wiki at least. http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Freeing_Up_Disk_Space Honestly, though, it's just a case of muscle memory at work. Usually I just -uDNtv everything and just add options after that like -1, -a...
Re: Email encodings (was Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo speed comparison to other distros )
On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 11:23 PM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: On 03/14/2013 11:17 AM, Bruce Hill wrote: On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 07:29:54PM +0800, Mark David Dumlao wrote: html head meta content=text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 http-equiv=Content-Type /head body bgcolor=#FF text=#00 div class=moz-cite-prefixOn 03/14/2013 04:15 PM, Dale wrote:br /div blockquote cite=mid:51418728.7020...@gmail.com type=cite pre wrap=Also, I read that Nasdaq runs a modified version of Gentoo. Do any other large corps run it that we know of? /pre /blockquote What exactly does it mean to run a modified version of Gentoo? Don't we all? ;)br /body /html What kind of crap email do you call that ^^^ ? From the headers of his email: Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo speed comparison to other distros References: 51418728.7020...@gmail.com In-Reply-To: 51418728.7020...@gmail.com Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It's perfectly compliant. You may want to correct your mail client to understand HTML. (Admittedly, it's unusual to see email clients send *only* text/html, rather than a multipart message with two different encodings.) ROFL. It's called me wrestling with thunderbird to try to remove html formatting but failing.
[gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo speed comparison to other distros
On 2013-03-15, Dale wrote: I didn't miss anything. I get what some are saying. The reason for my question is this. Gentoo allows a person to customize the OS to the specific hardware it is being run on. Redhat and other binary distros don't allow this, unless you compile your own packages which is no longer really a binary install. So, if I install Redhat on my machine, would it be less efficient than my Gentoo install which is customized for my hardware? Has someone else tested this and made it public? If people can't get this, never mind. I have not tested this nor seen data on this, but I'd look for comparisons on the efficiency and gains from gcc optimizations. These would be what benefits source-based distros on a specific system compared to binary distros, and a benchmark made with gcc will be simpler and easier to deal with than an os-wide benchmark. -- Nuno Silva (aka njsg) http://njsg.sdf-eu.org/
Re: [gentoo-user] ntfs-3g problem (I suppose) - locking system
On Friday 15 Mar 2013 01:18:03 Francisco Ares wrote: Hello. During some months now, this machine was (and still is, sometimes) suffering from a strange progressive lock down. It always has begun with the web browser, passing to the whole X environment, and finally I could not even use a console. After several trial and error actions, as no log entry could give any hint on what is going on, it seems that I found something consistent. This machine is a dual-boot Linux/Windows, as my wife once in a while needs to work on a Windows O.S. . The lock down starts when she saves a file received by e-mail in a ntfs-3g mounted partition, so that file would also be accessible whenever she uses Windows. The reason why I suspect of ntfs-3g is that when the lock down starts, that is, if only the web browser locks, just unmounting (and mounting back later) that partition, recovers the web browser functionality. Sometimes, when the lock down has already affected the whole graphic environment, but I still may use a console, again unmounting that same partition also unlocks everithing. I have already tried to emerge ntfs-3g with different use flags, but the problem persists. Even built a new kernel and re-emerged ntfs-3g after that. Now ntfs-3g package is using its own fuse. I would really appreciate any hints on what to do or where to look for any more information on this subject. Perhaps I am still looking at an effect, and not the cause. Thanks Francisco It could be a number of things, but would start with the basics, checking that there is adequate space in the partition and that the fs has been defragmented (Windows 7 defrag application is quite effective and for WinXP there is mydefrag). While you have booted into MSWindows, you might as well run chkdsk. Other than that, uou could try the 'big_writes' mount option in ntfs-3g which may make a difference. -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
[gentoo-user] rsnapshot - crontab?
Would anyone who is using rsnapshot be willing to share their crontab entries? I'm especially interested in how best to test for the existence/availability of a remotely mounted filesystem, and run the backup if it exists and abort if it doesn't. Thanks
[gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo speed comparison to other distros
On 2013-03-14, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Grant Edwards wrote: On 2013-03-14, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: I was wondering. Has anyone ever seen where a test as been done to compare the speed of Gentoo with other distros? Maybe Gentoo compared to Redhat, Mandrake, Ubuntu and such? I just did a test, and they're all the same. CDs/DVDS of various distros dropped from a height of 1m all hit the floor simultaneously [...] The point being, you're going to have to define speed. OK. It appears not very many can figure out what I asked for. So, let me spell it out for those who are challenged. LOL ;-) Read some humor into that OK. Install a OS. Run tests on a set of programs and record the time it takes to complete a certain task. More tasks the better. The results are going to vary depending on what task(s) are chosen. If app/library/compiler versions are the same, all of the results I've read about show you're not going to see a noticable difference. You might be able to _measure_ a difference, but it's not something you'll ever notice. IOW, if you spend a few days tweaking CFLAGS, you might be able to increase the number of FFTs per second you can run by a few percent when compared to an off-the-shelf Ubuntu, RedHat, or Scientific Linux install. But, if that's what you care about, then using a better library/algorithm or better hardware is what you do. The advantage of Gentoo is ease of administration, ease of customization, ease of getting non default/mainstream things installed and working right. -- Grant Edwards grant.b.edwardsYow! The entire CHINESE at WOMEN'S VOLLEYBALL TEAM all gmail.comshare ONE personality -- and have since BIRTH!!
Re: [gentoo-user] rsnapshot - crontab?
Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote: Would anyone who is using rsnapshot be willing to share their crontab entries? I'm especially interested in how best to test for the existence/availability of a remotely mounted filesystem, and run the backup if it exists and abort if it doesn't. I don't run rsnapshot directly from cron, but shell scripts for hourly, daily, etc., where I can test return codes from mount, etc. all I want. -- Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici cov...@ccs.covici.com
[gentoo-user] Re: rsnapshot - crontab?
On 2013-03-15, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote: Would anyone who is using rsnapshot be willing to share their crontab entries? # crontab -l # DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE - edit the master and reinstall. # (/tmp/crontab.fEjZZL installed on Thu May 26 14:47:04 2011) # (Cron version V5.0 -- $Id: crontab.c,v 1.12 2004/01/23 18:56:42 vixie Exp $) 3 0 1 * * /usr/bin/rsnapshot monthly 3 1 * * 6 /usr/bin/rsnapshot weekly 3 3 * * * /usr/bin/rsnapshot daily I'm especially interested in how best to test for the existence/availability of a remotely mounted filesystem, and run the backup if it exists and abort if it doesn't. rsnapshot has an option specifically for that (which I use to handle the case where my Firewire backup drive is disconnected or powered down_). From /etc/rsnapshot.conf: # If no_create_root is enabled, rsnapshot will not automatically create the # snapshot_root directory. This is particularly useful if you are backing # up to removable media, such as a FireWire or USB drive. # no_create_root 1 -- Grant Edwards grant.b.edwardsYow! Are we THERE yet? at My MIND is a SUBMARINE!! gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: rsnapshot - crontab?
On 2013-03-15 11:40 AM, Grant Edwards grant.b.edwa...@gmail.com wrote: On 2013-03-15, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote: I'm especially interested in how best to test for the existence/availability of a remotely mounted filesystem, and run the backup if it exists and abort if it doesn't. From /etc/rsnapshot.conf: # If no_create_root is enabled, rsnapshot will not automatically create the # snapshot_root directory. This is particularly useful if you are backing # up to removable media, such as a FireWire or USB drive. # no_create_root 1 How did I miss that? Thanks Grant.
Re: [Bulk] [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo speed comparison to other distros
I didn't miss anything. I get what some are saying. The reason for my question is this. Gentoo allows a person to customize the OS to the specific hardware it is being run on. Redhat and other binary distros don't allow this, unless you compile your own packages which is no longer really a binary install. So, if I install Redhat on my machine, would it be less efficient than my Gentoo install which is customized for my hardware? Has someone else tested this and made it public? If people can't get this, never mind. I have not tested this nor seen data on this, but I'd look for comparisons on the efficiency and gains from gcc optimizations. These would be what benefits source-based distros on a specific system compared to binary distros, and a benchmark made with gcc will be simpler and easier to deal with than an os-wide benchmark. Or the real difference maker, designing the program itself to be faster or using a really fast storage device bearing in mind any draw backs like storage space. If you use hardened Gentoo or OpenBSD or a PAE gentoo like Sabayon it may be slightly slower but more secure but you won't notice any difference when waiting for firefox to open until the second time. If you use the Gentoo hardened Tinfoil Linux you will need lots of ram and wait ages to boot but firefox will just pop up. Compiling speed, well I would just get better hardware or do distributed compiles as otherwise chances are your taking risks especially if you don't test and understand exactly what you are changing very well bearing in mind that with compilers everything may work fine 97% instead of 99% of the time. -- ___ 'Write programs that do one thing and do it well. Write programs to work together. Write programs to handle text streams, because that is a universal interface' (Doug McIlroy) ___
Re: [Bulk] Re: Email encodings (was Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo speed comparison to other distros )
From the headers of his email: Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo speed comparison to other distros References: 51418728.7020...@gmail.com In-Reply-To: 51418728.7020...@gmail.com Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It's perfectly compliant. You may want to correct your mail client to understand HTML. (Admittedly, it's unusual to see email clients send *only* text/html, rather than a multipart message with two different encodings.) ROFL. It's called me wrestling with thunderbird to try to remove html formatting but failing. Compulsory html annoys me on Android (If only you could have proper programs like Nokias N9 had claws) Claws would mean you needn't bother and still have html to text by default and can even enable html plugins if desired (right way around). -- ___ 'Write programs that do one thing and do it well. Write programs to work together. Write programs to handle text streams, because that is a universal interface' (Doug McIlroy) ___
Re: [Bulk] Re: Email encodings (was Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo speed comparison to other distros )
On Friday 15 Mar 2013 17:36:48 Kevin Chadwick wrote: From the headers of his email: Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo speed comparison to other distros References: 51418728.7020...@gmail.com In-Reply-To: 51418728.7020...@gmail.com Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It's perfectly compliant. You may want to correct your mail client to understand HTML. (Admittedly, it's unusual to see email clients send *only* text/html, rather than a multipart message with two different encodings.) ROFL. It's called me wrestling with thunderbird to try to remove html formatting but failing. Compulsory html annoys me on Android (If only you could have proper programs like Nokias N9 had claws) Claws would mean you needn't bother and still have html to text by default and can even enable html plugins if desired (right way around). I understand that you can specify what sort of mail format you want to send per email recipient, including of course gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org, but I don't have T'bird installed to check: http://kb.mozillazine.org/Plain_text_e-mail_(Thunderbird) HTH. -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [Bulk] Re: Email encodings (was Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo speed comparison to other distros )
On 03/16/2013 04:06 AM, Mick wrote: On Friday 15 Mar 2013 17:36:48 Kevin Chadwick wrote: From the headers of his email: Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo speed comparison to other distros References: 51418728.7020...@gmail.com In-Reply-To: 51418728.7020...@gmail.com Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It's perfectly compliant. You may want to correct your mail client to understand HTML. (Admittedly, it's unusual to see email clients send *only* text/html, rather than a multipart message with two different encodings.) ROFL. It's called "me wrestling with thunderbird to try to remove html formatting but failing". Compulsory html annoys me on Android (If only you could have proper programs like Nokias N9 had claws) Claws would mean you needn't bother and still have html to text by default and can even enable html plugins if desired (right way around). I understand that you can specify what sort of mail format you want to send per email recipient, including of course gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org, but I don't have T'bird installed to check: http://kb.mozillazine.org/Plain_text_e-mail_(Thunderbird) HTH. I know about that. But it fails to work on compose windows opened by the thunderbird conversations plugin. Quotes there seem to be hard-quoted as HTML and no amount of fiddling converts those into plaintext quotes.
Re: [gentoo-user] [SOLVED] make modules_install error; modules not recognized as ELF files
On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 09:33:16AM +, Neil Bothwick wrote On Fri, 15 Mar 2013 03:37:05 -0400, Walter Dnes wrote: For anybody who's reading this thread... you *MUST* use the tools flag with kmod in order to get basic stuff like a man page, lsmod, etc. The tools flag is enabled by default in the kmod ebuild, so only those who choose to deliberately break their system with USE=-* so they can spend time fixing it will be affected. I did try installing on that netbook without -* in USE. Part way through the install, I already had more exclusion statements in package.use, than I have inclusion statements in a full install with -*. It's a tradeoff, and I'm willing to do the extra work. On an old Atom netbook, I want to avoid running unnecessary stuff. Let's just say that optimised Gentoo is way faster on the netbook than the Windows Vista that it came with. -- Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org I don't run desktop environments; I run useful applications
Re: [gentoo-user] [SOLVED] make modules_install error; modules not recognized as ELF files
On Fri, 15 Mar 2013 17:23:45 -0400, Walter Dnes wrote: The tools flag is enabled by default in the kmod ebuild, so only those who choose to deliberately break their system with USE=-* so they can spend time fixing it will be affected. I did try installing on that netbook without -* in USE. Part way through the install, I already had more exclusion statements in package.use, than I have inclusion statements in a full install with -*. It's a tradeoff, and I'm willing to do the extra work. On an old Atom netbook, I want to avoid running unnecessary stuff. Let's just say that optimised Gentoo is way faster on the netbook than the Windows Vista that it came with. It sounds like you used one of the desktop profiles as a starting point. The more barebones profiles give a leaner system without the drawbacks of -*. -- Neil Bothwick Hard work has a future payoff. Laziness pays off now. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] [SOLVED] make modules_install error; modules not recognized as ELF files
On 15/03/2013 23:23, Walter Dnes wrote: On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 09:33:16AM +, Neil Bothwick wrote On Fri, 15 Mar 2013 03:37:05 -0400, Walter Dnes wrote: For anybody who's reading this thread... you *MUST* use the tools flag with kmod in order to get basic stuff like a man page, lsmod, etc. The tools flag is enabled by default in the kmod ebuild, so only those who choose to deliberately break their system with USE=-* so they can spend time fixing it will be affected. I did try installing on that netbook without -* in USE. Part way through the install, I already had more exclusion statements in package.use, than I have inclusion statements in a full install with -*. It's a tradeoff, and I'm willing to do the extra work. On an old Atom netbook, I want to avoid running unnecessary stuff. Let's just say that optimised Gentoo is way faster on the netbook than the Windows Vista that it came with. I don't understand this thing with USE=-* Heard all arguments, don't buy it, don't wanna go there, wanna make suggestion: Have you tried using the existing tools that are already in portage, i.e. the profiles? Find a leaner profile that more suits your needs like Neil suggested (maybe default of desktop's parent), then extend and override it to suit what you want? With a custom profile you can install it everywhere without carrying around a package.use. I can only imagine what your package.use looks like (massive) and honestly, I doubt you gain very much in any realistic sense from individually setting every possible flag... -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
Re: [Bulk] Re: Email encodings (was Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo speed comparison to other distros )
On Friday 15 Mar 2013 20:34:14 Mark David Dumlao wrote: On 03/16/2013 04:06 AM, Mick wrote: I understand that you can specify what sort of mail format you want to send per email recipient, including of course gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org, but I don't have T'bird installed to check: http://kb.mozillazine.org/Plain_text_e-mail_(Thunderbird) HTH. I know about that. But it fails to work on compose windows opened by the thunderbird conversations plugin. Quotes there seem to be hard-quoted as HTML and no amount of fiddling converts those into plaintext quotes. OK, I am not a T'bird user, let alone plugins for this application - but Google tells me that the 'Quick Reply' feature creates plain text responses. Is this the case? -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [Bulk] Re: Email encodings (was Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo speed comparison to other distros )
On 03/15/2013 04:34 PM, Mark David Dumlao wrote: On 03/16/2013 04:06 AM, Mick wrote: On Friday 15 Mar 2013 17:36:48 Kevin Chadwick wrote: From the headers of his email: Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo speed comparison to other distros References: 51418728.7020...@gmail.com In-Reply-To: 51418728.7020...@gmail.com Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It's perfectly compliant. You may want to correct your mail client to understand HTML. (Admittedly, it's unusual to see email clients send *only* text/html, rather than a multipart message with two different encodings.) ROFL. It's called me wrestling with thunderbird to try to remove html formatting but failing. Compulsory html annoys me on Android (If only you could have proper programs like Nokias N9 had claws) Claws would mean you needn't bother and still have html to text by default and can even enable html plugins if desired (right way around). I understand that you can specify what sort of mail format you want to send per email recipient, including of course gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org, but I don't have T'bird installed to check: http://kb.mozillazine.org/Plain_text_e-mail_(Thunderbird) HTH. I know about that. But it fails to work on compose windows opened by the thunderbird conversations plugin. Quotes there seem to be hard-quoted as HTML and no amount of fiddling converts those into plaintext quotes. Reply created from conversation view in Thunderbird. (Though I've got some configuration item set somewhere to only send in plaintext; Enigmail complains that text/html emails don't always work right with PGP signing.) signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] ntfs-3g problem (I suppose) - locking system
2013/3/15 Randolph Maaßen r.maasse...@gmail.com 2013/3/15 Francisco Ares fra...@gmail.com Hello. During some months now, this machine was (and still is, sometimes) suffering from a strange progressive lock down. It always has begun with the web browser, passing to the whole X environment, and finally I could not even use a console. After several trial and error actions, as no log entry could give any hint on what is going on, it seems that I found something consistent. This machine is a dual-boot Linux/Windows, as my wife once in a while needs to work on a Windows O.S. . The lock down starts when she saves a file received by e-mail in a ntfs-3g mounted partition, so that file would also be accessible whenever she uses Windows. The reason why I suspect of ntfs-3g is that when the lock down starts, that is, if only the web browser locks, just unmounting (and mounting back later) that partition, recovers the web browser functionality. Sometimes, when the lock down has already affected the whole graphic environment, but I still may use a console, again unmounting that same partition also unlocks everithing. I have already tried to emerge ntfs-3g with different use flags, but the problem persists. Even built a new kernel and re-emerged ntfs-3g after that. Now ntfs-3g package is using its own fuse. I would really appreciate any hints on what to do or where to look for any more information on this subject. Perhaps I am still looking at an effect, and not the cause. Thanks Francisco -- If you have an apple and I have an apple and we exchange apples then you and I will still each have one apple. But if you have an idea and I have one idea and we exchange these ideas, then each of us will have two ideas. - George Bernard Shaw Have you had a look at dmesg after lock / unlock? driver oriented problems should show up here -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen / Best regards Randolph Maaßen Yes, I did, and nothing shows up. Looks like dmesg has also been affected. Thanks Francisco
Re: [gentoo-user] ntfs-3g problem (I suppose) - locking system
2013/3/15 Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 22:18:03 -0300, Francisco Ares wrote: This machine is a dual-boot Linux/Windows, as my wife once in a while needs to work on a Windows O.S. . The lock down starts when she saves a file received by e-mail in a ntfs-3g mounted partition, so that file would also be accessible whenever she uses Windows. Have you checked the filesystem for corruption/inconsistency in Windows and with ntfsck? -- Neil Bothwick A clean desk is a sign of a cluttered desk drawer. Yes, I have checked for file corruption and bad sectors a few days ago, and just a few moments ago, just to make sure. After a little while, already using Linux, the system was beginning to freeze, so I have unmounted that same partition, and things got back to normal - that's how I am able to write this. Thanks Francisco -- If you have an apple and I have an apple and we exchange apples then you and I will still each have one apple. But if you have an idea and I have one idea and we exchange these ideas, then each of us will have two ideas. - George Bernard Shaw
Re: [gentoo-user] ntfs-3g problem (I suppose) - locking system
2013/3/15 Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com On Friday 15 Mar 2013 01:18:03 Francisco Ares wrote: Hello. During some months now, this machine was (and still is, sometimes) suffering from a strange progressive lock down. It always has begun with the web browser, passing to the whole X environment, and finally I could not even use a console. After several trial and error actions, as no log entry could give any hint on what is going on, it seems that I found something consistent. This machine is a dual-boot Linux/Windows, as my wife once in a while needs to work on a Windows O.S. . The lock down starts when she saves a file received by e-mail in a ntfs-3g mounted partition, so that file would also be accessible whenever she uses Windows. The reason why I suspect of ntfs-3g is that when the lock down starts, that is, if only the web browser locks, just unmounting (and mounting back later) that partition, recovers the web browser functionality. Sometimes, when the lock down has already affected the whole graphic environment, but I still may use a console, again unmounting that same partition also unlocks everithing. I have already tried to emerge ntfs-3g with different use flags, but the problem persists. Even built a new kernel and re-emerged ntfs-3g after that. Now ntfs-3g package is using its own fuse. I would really appreciate any hints on what to do or where to look for any more information on this subject. Perhaps I am still looking at an effect, and not the cause. Thanks Francisco It could be a number of things, but would start with the basics, checking that there is adequate space in the partition and that the fs has been defragmented (Windows 7 defrag application is quite effective and for WinXP there is mydefrag). While you have booted into MSWindows, you might as well run chkdsk. Other than that, uou could try the 'big_writes' mount option in ntfs-3g which may make a difference. -- Regards, Mick I didn't try to defragment that partition, yet. I can't believe that ntfs-3g would not take care of fragmentation, but I will do a defrag just in case ;-) Will try that big_writes too. Thanks Francisco -- If you have an apple and I have an apple and we exchange apples then you and I will still each have one apple. But if you have an idea and I have one idea and we exchange these ideas, then each of us will have two ideas. - George Bernard Shaw
