Re: [gentoo-user] to install portage on other gentoo installs
On 14 Feb 2014 12:46, Edward M edwardm.gentoo.j...@live.com wrote: On Thu, 13 Feb 2014 19:11:44 +0100 J. Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote: If you want to do NFS. Let us know. It can be done easier then Alan makes out. But you then need to ensure only your machines are connected to the network. That is so kind of you. when i have problems i will ask for help thank you. In simple terms: Configure NFS to allow every user from any machine (or network ip range) has access to the files. The NFS server can be told to replace any connecting user with a single user on the server. That is what I do. With a good firewall preventing non wired owned machines to have any access. ipsec was mentioned i may need to use this. The nfs will be in my LAN. i think ipsec may be better just realized my cable modem has firewall built in will that interfere with ipsec? -- Learing Linux with Gentoo to earn LPIC1. ipset! = ipsec
Re: [gentoo-user] to install portage on other gentoo installs
On Fri, 14 Feb 2014 13:38:50 +0530 Nilesh Govindrajan m...@nileshgr.com wrote: On 14 Feb 2014 12:46, Edward M edwardm.gentoo.j...@live.com wrote: On Thu, 13 Feb 2014 19:11:44 +0100 J. Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote: If you want to do NFS. Let us know. It can be done easier then Alan makes out. But you then need to ensure only your machines are connected to the network. That is so kind of you. when i have problems i will ask for help thank you. In simple terms: Configure NFS to allow every user from any machine (or network ip range) has access to the files. The NFS server can be told to replace any connecting user with a single user on the server. That is what I do. With a good firewall preventing non wired owned machines to have any access. ipsec was mentioned i may need to use this. The nfs will be in my LAN. i think ipsec may be better just realized my cable modem has firewall built in will that interfere with ipsec? -- Learing Linux with Gentoo to earn LPIC1. ipset! = ipsec I do not know why I've got Internet Protocol Security etched in my mind. Thank You for bringing this to my attention. -- Best regards, Edward M. Learing Linux with Gentoo to earn LPIC1.
Re: [gentoo-user] to install portage on other gentoo installs
On Fri, February 14, 2014 08:05, Edward M wrote: On Fri, 14 Feb 2014 00:13:19 +0530 Nilesh Govindrajan m...@nileshgr.com wrote: My favorite firewall rule to do this don't restrict any kind of traffic between own network and filter the rest. Use ipset. Very easy. I have zero knowledge how ipsec works. once i have nfs set i'll do ipsec second. nfs will be in my private network for my gentoo systems(laptops,server,client) boxes. thanks for the tip. Important: Nilesh was talking about ipseT (it's part of iptables, which provides firewall functionality in Linux.) ipseC is VPN/encryption. Not easy to implement and only necessary if you want to be able to access your home network from a variety of other devices. That is NOT necessary for what you are asking for. -- Joost
Re: [gentoo-user] to install portage on other gentoo installs
On Fri, February 14, 2014 08:05, Edward M wrote: On Fri, 14 Feb 2014 00:13:19 +0530 Nilesh Govindrajan m...@nileshgr.com wrote: My favorite firewall rule to do this don't restrict any kind of traffic between own network and filter the rest. Use ipset. Very easy. I have zero knowledge how ipsec works. once i have nfs set i'll do ipsec second. nfs will be in my private network for my gentoo systems(laptops,server,client) boxes. thanks for the tip. Important: Nilesh was talking about ipseT (it's part of iptables, which provides firewall functionality in Linux.) ipseC is VPN/encryption. Not easy to implement and only necessary if you want to be able to access your home network from a variety of other devices. That is NOT necessary for what you are asking for. -- Joost
[gentoo-user] Re: to install portage on other gentoo installs
On Wed, 12 Feb 2014 16:40:22 -0800, Edward M edwardm.gentoo.j...@live.com wrote: Howdy, Been busy learning Linux :-) got new email other was getting crowded. I'm planing on installing Gentoo on a few systems and I was wondering to save bandwidth, i could install portage to the other Gentoo installs from my system instead downloading from mirrors? Thanks in advance! Setting up a local rsync mirror for a portage tree is fairly simple, you share the working tree at /usr/portage on a local server to the network and make sure the server is up-to-date before syncing other clients to it. This is documented in [1]. After setting up the mirror, you only need to sync-uri in /etc/portage/repos.conf on the other (local) clients. See portage(5)[2], section 'repos.conf' and make.conf(5)[3], section 'SYNC' for details on client configuration. Please *do* read those sections, as much of the information on the wiki regarding the SYNC variable is outdated. For sharing distfiles between hosts, a http server sharing the distfiles folder and prepending the server's uri to GENTOO_MIRRORS in make.conf[3] might be sufficient for your needs. If the installs are not homogenous, you can even set up http servers on all of them, and add all the other local hosts to GENTOO_MIRRORS. You might want to skim through the FEATURES section in make.conf(5)[3] for using local distfiles mirrors, as some of them can improve the usefulness of the mirror significantly. NFS is another possibility for both portage tree and distfiles and can reduce total disk space needs, but it incurs significant network latency which is especially noticeable for portage trees. I use it myself for virtual machines, but would not suggest it for use over a physical network. Also note that portage has PORTAGE_RO_DISTDIRS[3] as an alternative to GENTOO_MIRRORS for eg. read-only *mounted* network shares which may provide some extra flexibility. 1: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Infrastructure/Rsync#Setting_up_your_own_local_rsync_mirror 2: https://dev.gentoo.org/~zmedico/portage/doc/man/portage.5.html 3: https://dev.gentoo.org/~zmedico/portage/doc/man/make.conf.5.html -- eroen signature.asc Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-user] How to run 2.6.25 kernel (no DEVTMPFS)?
I need to do some testing with kernels as far back as 2.6.25. I've currently got a Gentoo box that can build and run kernels ranging from 3.14.rc2 to 2.6.32. There are various gcc and make issues which have been successfully dealt with, but now I'm stuck on DEVTMPFS. Prior to 2.6.32 DEVTMPFS isn't available, so even though I can build and boot a 2.6.25 kernel, udev craps out. There are plenty of spare paritions to play with, so doing a Linux install to test with kernels older than 2.6.32 is no problem. I'm wondering if instead of downloading an old Ubuntu or Fedora DVD, is there any way to install an old version of Gentoo that will work with pre-DEVTMPFS kernels? -- Grant Edwards grant.b.edwardsYow! Are we THERE yet? at My MIND is a SUBMARINE!! gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] How to run 2.6.25 kernel (no DEVTMPFS)?
On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 4:12 PM, Grant Edwards grant.b.edwa...@gmail.com wrote: I need to do some testing with kernels as far back as 2.6.25. I've currently got a Gentoo box that can build and run kernels ranging from 3.14.rc2 to 2.6.32. There are various gcc and make issues which have been successfully dealt with, but now I'm stuck on DEVTMPFS. Prior to 2.6.32 DEVTMPFS isn't available, so even though I can build and boot a 2.6.25 kernel, udev craps out. There are plenty of spare paritions to play with, so doing a Linux install to test with kernels older than 2.6.32 is no problem. I'm wondering if instead of downloading an old Ubuntu or Fedora DVD, is there any way to install an old version of Gentoo that will work with pre-DEVTMPFS kernels? Do you actually need udev? If you can get away with just having a static /dev with pre-created device nodes, that would be the simplest solution.
[gentoo-user] Re: How to run 2.6.25 kernel (no DEVTMPFS)?
On 2014-02-14, Mike Gilbert flop...@gentoo.org wrote: On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 4:12 PM, Grant Edwards grant.b.edwa...@gmail.com wrote: I need to do some testing with kernels as far back as 2.6.25. I've currently got a Gentoo box that can build and run kernels ranging from 3.14.rc2 to 2.6.32. There are various gcc and make issues which have been successfully dealt with, but now I'm stuck on DEVTMPFS. Prior to 2.6.32 DEVTMPFS isn't available, so even though I can build and boot a 2.6.25 kernel, udev craps out. There are plenty of spare paritions to play with, so doing a Linux install to test with kernels older than 2.6.32 is no problem. I'm wondering if instead of downloading an old Ubuntu or Fedora DVD, is there any way to install an old version of Gentoo that will work with pre-DEVTMPFS kernels? Do you actually need udev? Good question -- I probably don't. For the testing in question I should be able to live with a static /dev directory. Is there any documentation on doing a Gentoo install without udev? If you can get away with just having a static /dev with pre-created device nodes, that would be the simplest solution. It would probably be asking for too much to try to toggle between udev and static /dev at boot time in a single installation... -- Grant Edwards grant.b.edwardsYow! Yes, but will I at see the EASTER BUNNY in gmail.comskintight leather at an IRON MAIDEN concert?
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How to run 2.6.25 kernel (no DEVTMPFS)?
On 14 February 2014 22:31:54 CET, Grant Edwards grant.b.edwa...@gmail.com wrote: On 2014-02-14, Mike Gilbert flop...@gentoo.org wrote: On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 4:12 PM, Grant Edwards grant.b.edwa...@gmail.com wrote: I need to do some testing with kernels as far back as 2.6.25. I've currently got a Gentoo box that can build and run kernels ranging from 3.14.rc2 to 2.6.32. There are various gcc and make issues which have been successfully dealt with, but now I'm stuck on DEVTMPFS. Prior to 2.6.32 DEVTMPFS isn't available, so even though I can build and boot a 2.6.25 kernel, udev craps out. There are plenty of spare paritions to play with, so doing a Linux install to test with kernels older than 2.6.32 is no problem. I'm wondering if instead of downloading an old Ubuntu or Fedora DVD, is there any way to install an old version of Gentoo that will work with pre-DEVTMPFS kernels? Do you actually need udev? Good question -- I probably don't. For the testing in question I should be able to live with a static /dev directory. Is there any documentation on doing a Gentoo install without udev? If you can get away with just having a static /dev with pre-created device nodes, that would be the simplest solution. It would probably be asking for too much to try to toggle between udev and static /dev at boot time in a single installation... Not aware of documentation. Mkdev would be a good start for google. To toggle at boottime, use different runlevels. 1 that mounts tmpfs over /dev and starts udev. Another that doesn't. And /dev contains static device nodes. -- Joost -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How to run 2.6.25 kernel (no DEVTMPFS)?
On 14/02/2014 21:31, Grant Edwards wrote: On 2014-02-14, Mike Gilbert flop...@gentoo.org wrote: On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 4:12 PM, Grant Edwards grant.b.edwa...@gmail.com wrote: I need to do some testing with kernels as far back as 2.6.25. I've currently got a Gentoo box that can build and run kernels ranging from 3.14.rc2 to 2.6.32. There are various gcc and make issues which have been successfully dealt with, but now I'm stuck on DEVTMPFS. Prior to 2.6.32 DEVTMPFS isn't available, so even though I can build and boot a 2.6.25 kernel, udev craps out. There are plenty of spare paritions to play with, so doing a Linux install to test with kernels older than 2.6.32 is no problem. I'm wondering if instead of downloading an old Ubuntu or Fedora DVD, is there any way to install an old version of Gentoo that will work with pre-DEVTMPFS kernels? Do you actually need udev? Good question -- I probably don't. For the testing in question I should be able to live with a static /dev directory. Is there any documentation on doing a Gentoo install without udev? If you can get away with just having a static /dev with pre-created device nodes, that would be the simplest solution. It would probably be asking for too much to try to toggle between udev and static /dev at boot time in a single installation... I remember that it was possible to toggle before openrc was introduced. As things stand now, you would probably have to replace sys-fs/udev with sys-fs/static-dev (which satisfies virtual/dev-manager). NeddySeagoon mentions it here: http://dev.gentoo.org/~neddyseagoon/Old_Fashioned_Gentoo_2.xml He also describes its coverage as being incomplete. In that case, this may help to populate /dev to a reasonable extent: https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=368597#c97 --Kerin
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: to install portage on other gentoo installs
On Fri, 14 Feb 2014 19:03:10 +0100 eroen er...@falcon.eroen.eu wrote: On Wed, 12 Feb 2014 16:40:22 -0800, Edward M edwardm.gentoo.j...@live.com wrote: Howdy, Been busy learning Linux :-) got new email other was getting crowded. I'm planing on installing Gentoo on a few systems and I was wondering to save bandwidth, i could install portage to the other Gentoo installs from my system instead downloading from mirrors? Thanks in advance! Setting up a local rsync mirror for a portage tree is fairly simple, you share the working tree at /usr/portage on a local server to the network and make sure the server is up-to-date before syncing other clients to it. This is documented in [1]. After setting up the mirror, you only need to sync-uri in /etc/portage/repos.conf on the other (local) clients. See portage(5)[2], section 'repos.conf' and make.conf(5)[3], section 'SYNC' for details on client configuration. Please *do* read those sections, as much of the information on the wiki regarding the SYNC variable is outdated. For sharing distfiles between hosts, a http server sharing the distfiles folder and prepending the server's uri to GENTOO_MIRRORS in make.conf[3] might be sufficient for your needs. If the installs are not homogenous, you can even set up http servers on all of them, and add all the other local hosts to GENTOO_MIRRORS. You might want to skim through the FEATURES section in make.conf(5)[3] for using local distfiles mirrors, as some of them can improve the usefulness of the mirror significantly. NFS is another possibility for both portage tree and distfiles and can reduce total disk space needs, but it incurs significant network latency which is especially noticeable for portage trees. I use it myself for virtual machines, but would not suggest it for use over a physical network. Also note that portage has PORTAGE_RO_DISTDIRS[3] as an alternative to GENTOO_MIRRORS for eg. read-only *mounted* network shares which may provide some extra flexibility. 1: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Infrastructure/Rsync#Setting_up_your_own_local_rsync_mirror 2: https://dev.gentoo.org/~zmedico/portage/doc/man/portage.5.html 3: https://dev.gentoo.org/~zmedico/portage/doc/man/make.conf.5.html Thank you for suppling great lesson and links. I will go over the sections you mentioned and take notes. I will be having fun this weekend...configuring Gentoo, with all the great knowledge i was given from kind Gentoo users. Thanks again. Best regards, Ed -- Learing Linux with Gentoo to earn LPIC1.
Re: [gentoo-user] to install portage on other gentoo installs
On Fri, 14 Feb 2014 11:20:26 +0100 J. Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote: On Fri, February 14, 2014 08:05, Edward M wrote: On Fri, 14 Feb 2014 00:13:19 +0530 Nilesh Govindrajan m...@nileshgr.com wrote: My favorite firewall rule to do this don't restrict any kind of traffic between own network and filter the rest. Use ipset. Very easy. I have zero knowledge how ipsec works. once i have nfs set i'll do ipsec second. nfs will be in my private network for my gentoo systems(laptops,server,client) boxes. thanks for the tip. Important: Nilesh was talking about ipseT (it's part of iptables, which provides firewall functionality in Linux.) ipseC is VPN/encryption. Not easy to implement and only necessary if you want to be able to access your home network from a variety of other devices. That is NOT necessary for what you are asking for. -- Joost Thank you for explaining what ipsec is used for, some reason i automatically read as ipsec when Nilesh mentioned it. Nilesh brought it up to my attention earliar; it was ipset not ipsec. thanks again for the explanation. Best regards Ed -- Learing Linux with Gentoo to earn LPIC1.
Re: [gentoo-user] Is there a way to keyword a whole overlay as ~arch ?
On Sun, 26 Jan 2014 20:14:17 -0500 Michael Orlitzky m...@gentoo.org wrote: On 01/26/2014 05:12 PM, Thanasis wrote: I am following stable (ACCEPT_KEYWORDS=amd64). In order to install the mate desktop I need to install the mate overlay and keyword all its packages as ~amd64. Is there a way to do it easily for the whole overlay? Yep, you just need to know the overlay name. In package.accept_keywords: */*::overlay-name ~amd64 The */* syntax means any category, any package name. The :: then specifies the repository name. If you don't know the repository name, it can often be found in path/to/overlay/profiles/repo_name. I wonder, can we get a hint of this function echo-ed at the end of every new layman install? It would make using, say, perl-experimental, far less unwieldy than without. (Apologies in advance for the noise.) I had no idea this was possible, but it seems the only way to use the overlay without making of mess of package.accept_keywords, which is what I have had when installing anything useful in the perl development area. Does this make any sense? Do all the overlays work that way, that is, kw-masking everything so you have to enable the ~arch per package? This always seemed absurd to me, as I added the overlay, I must have meant to use it... but anyway... I suppose it should be printed in red use if you know what it means, kind of thing. I can see it being a PITA if it breaks stuff in the main gentoo tree. . . . FWIW, I tried adding that incantation and emerging world, which gave no changes to my install. Then I tried: emerge -av dev-perl/Catalyst-Model-DBIC-Schema (Which created a bloated keyword file on my other machine.) This time, it only wants to unmask things perl in the gentoo tree... but --autounmask-write proposes to list every overlay dep as a comment. Ugh. Before, I'd do something like: mv /etc/portage/package.accept_keywords ~/ mkdir /etc/portage/package.accept_keywords cp package.accept_keywords /etc/portage/package.accept_keywords/99_portage eix -c --only-in-overlay 0 -C dev-perl|grep '(~' |cut -d ' ' -f 2 | while read a ; do echo $a ~x86 ;done /etc/portage/package.accept_keywords/00_perl emerge -auDNtv world Nothing to merge; quitting. ... Which I did. Then /me thinks, for a change. If */*::overlay-name ~amd64, then: dev-perl/*::gentoo ~amd64 should work too. Now, emerge -av dev-perl/Catalyst-Model-DBIC-Schema Gives: Total: 37 packages (34 upgrades, 3 new), Size of downloads: 5,905 kB Would you like to merge these packages? [Yes/No] And no guff from portage. OMG, what a treat. I wept. . . . So wow, if I'd known about that before now, it would have saved me hours, if not days, worth of hassle. I think that should be the recommendation for anyone who installs the perl overlay. Maybe I'm crazy, but it seems to DWIW. Thanks Michael. Very helpful to know, at least. Does anyone who may have read this far think this would be a good thing to mention from the start for a new user of an overlay, like echoed at the end of emerging layman, or adding a new overlay? And, yes, it's a full moon, so I'm posting to the list. As is my habit. ;-) Cheers [I recommend Flat Tail seriously budget barley wine], - mykhyggz (who lost his .sig)
