[gentoo-user] Re: x11-base/xorg-x11 masked
On 2022-10-04 08:40, w...@op.pl wrote: Hello everyone! Upon upgrade, portage told me that x11-base/xorg-x11 is masked and will be removed from the repo on November 1st. I thought "ok, why not do it now", so I have typed: # emerge -W x11-base/xorg-x11 # emerge -cav and there was a surprise (not a pleasant one). Since xorg-x11 is a metapackage it pulled so many things I would like to have still here. Is there any reasonable way to put all those packages to my world file, so I can easily remove xorg-x11 without deleting half of my desktop apps? Please see discussions in: https://bugs.gentoo.org/872119 https://bugs.gentoo.org/873973 cheers, Holger
[gentoo-user] x11-base/xorg-x11 masked
Hello everyone! Upon upgrade, portage told me that x11-base/xorg-x11 is masked and will be removed from the repo on November 1st. I thought "ok, why not do it now", so I have typed: # emerge -W x11-base/xorg-x11 # emerge -cav and there was a surprise (not a pleasant one). Since xorg-x11 is a metapackage it pulled so many things I would like to have still here. Is there any reasonable way to put all those packages to my world file, so I can easily remove xorg-x11 without deleting half of my desktop apps? Thanks in advance, have a good day! -- xWK pgpfqN1k_yGiD.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [SOLVED] Pipewire not a dependency?
On Monday, 3 October 2022 22:48:09 BST Håkon Alstadheim wrote: > Den 02.10.2022 11:47, skrev Michael: > > On Saturday, 1 October 2022 19:32:11 BST Daniel Sonck wrote: > >> On zaterdag 1 oktober 2022 19:11:19 CEST Wol wrote: > >>> On 01/10/2022 17:56, Michael wrote: > Anyway, I ventured into pipewire because I wanted to see if Skype would > work without pulseaudio and in this system it won't. After I manually > installed pipewire Skype won't access the microphone. 🙁 > >>> > >>> I've got some vague feeling that pipewire is designed to happily sit > >>> under pulseaudio. The design aim was to replace both Jack and pulseaudio > >>> but it basically just presents a sound device to the layers above, so > >>> just like you can stack block devices for disk access, you can stack > >>> jack, pulseaudio and pipewire for sound. > >> > >> Well, it is actually designed as a drop-in replacement and won't present > >> audio devices in the sense pulseaudio wants to receive it. I guess it > >> would > >> theoretically be possible to use pulseaudio's jack sink to talk to > >> pipewire, but pipewire has the full pulseaudio interface for pulseaudio > >> applications. > > > > At the moment only some applications support PipeWire's native API, but > > most support PulseAudio's API. When you come across an application like > > Skype which expects PulseAudio, the solution is to enable > > USE="sound-server pipewire-alsa" for PipeWire and in addition to PipeWire > > also install media- libs/libpulse. No other PulseAudio packages are > > needed. > > To get that, I seem to need media-sound/pulseaudio (meta package) with > USE="-daemon" This USE flag setting would be required if you use pulseaudio (I don't have it installed) and need to avoid it fighting with pipewire over control of audio devices. At the present moment, because the migration to pipewire is work-in-progress, there are a number of options available to cover all use cases, depending on your system configuration and init system: https://www.gentoo.org/support/news-items/2022-07-29-pipewire-sound-server.html signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [SOLVED] Pipewire not a dependency?
Den 02.10.2022 11:47, skrev Michael: On Saturday, 1 October 2022 19:32:11 BST Daniel Sonck wrote: On zaterdag 1 oktober 2022 19:11:19 CEST Wol wrote: On 01/10/2022 17:56, Michael wrote: Anyway, I ventured into pipewire because I wanted to see if Skype would work without pulseaudio and in this system it won't. After I manually installed pipewire Skype won't access the microphone. 🙁 I've got some vague feeling that pipewire is designed to happily sit under pulseaudio. The design aim was to replace both Jack and pulseaudio but it basically just presents a sound device to the layers above, so just like you can stack block devices for disk access, you can stack jack, pulseaudio and pipewire for sound. Well, it is actually designed as a drop-in replacement and won't present audio devices in the sense pulseaudio wants to receive it. I guess it would theoretically be possible to use pulseaudio's jack sink to talk to pipewire, but pipewire has the full pulseaudio interface for pulseaudio applications. At the moment only some applications support PipeWire's native API, but most support PulseAudio's API. When you come across an application like Skype which expects PulseAudio, the solution is to enable USE="sound-server pipewire-alsa" for PipeWire and in addition to PipeWire also install media- libs/libpulse. No other PulseAudio packages are needed. To get that, I seem to need media-sound/pulseaudio (meta package) with USE="-daemon" Thereafter an application requiring PulseAudio uses PipeWire, the latter emulating PulseAudio's server by using PulseAudio's API via libpulse. I applied the above and now the microphone in Skype works again. I assume the same applies to other PulseAudio friendly applications, which won't play nicely with PipeWire only. I suppose at some point PulseAudio will be completely replaced by PipeWire and applications will update their code accordingly.
[gentoo-user] Re: problem with emerge depclean after world update
On 2022-09-30, Wol wrote: > Does that mean an update typically cleans a replaced package > automagically? Yes (except for slotted packages). A "normal" upgrade emerge removes the old version. > I thought that usually they got left behind and that was > why you needed depclean - to remove all the old versions? Nope (except sometimes for slotted packages). Depclean is for clearing out stuff that was installed automagically as a dependancy but now doesn't need to be installed at all because 1. Whataver pulled it in as dependency got manually removed. 2. A package's dependencies got changed. > Certainly that's what I remember of depclean of old - the list of stuff > being cleaned was mostly old versions of what was installed. That happens for slotted packages and for things like kernel sources. On my systems, the only things that typically get removed by depclean are old versions of gentoo-sources and the occasional old slot of binutils (or whatever). -- Grant
