Re: [gentoo-user] airodump aireplay
On Fri, May 18, 2007 at 12:37:22PM +0200, Arnau Bria wrote: Hi, could some one tell what do I have to install if I need airodumop/aireplay? It's supposed to be in net-wireless/aircrack-ng, but I don't have both files... Enable the wifi USE flag and reinstall aircrack-ng. Regards, Bryan Østergaard -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [OT] Jakub back? (was: Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo gets as bad SuSE: Circular dependencies [WAS: Thank you Gentoo devs])
On Thu, May 17, 2007 at 03:44:41PM +0200, Naga Toro wrote: On Thursday 17 May 2007 00.17.29 Neil Bothwick wrote: Jakub is no longer a bug-wrangler, or a dev, he retired last month. Did he really? He's still jakub on bugzilla, -dev IRC. Jakub didn't go through with his retirement after the suspension ended but he has opened a retirement bug again. We haven't heard the last word in that case yet as ombudsman have been asked to look at the conflict that lead to this and devrel is watching the situation closely. Regards, Bryan Østergaard -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: python emerge appears to have broken my python man page symlink
On Thu, May 10, 2007 at 05:53:38PM -0500, Dan Farrell wrote: Hey all. I updated my home server today, and while looking through the resultant emails from portage, I find this message from the python emerge | Subject: package dev-lang/python-2.4.3-r4 merged on zeus.spore.ath.cx | with notice | Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 09:45:15 -0500 | | WARN: postrm | /usr/share/man/man1/python.1.gz is a dead symlink. Looking to the changelog, I find | 10 May 2007; Bryan C398stergaard [EMAIL PROTECTED] | +python-2.3.6-r2.ebuild, +python-2.4.4-r3.ebuild, | +python-2.5.1-r1.ebuild: Change threads USE flag to nothreads, fix | non-linux linker issue and fix man-page symlink. Is this a bug with the ebuild, my friends? Or is it my system which is the source of the problem? Looks like i'm finally the first to run into something ; ) Emerge --sync and update python. I've fixed this earlier today. Regards, Bryan Østergaard -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: [gentoo-dev] Through the looking glass: Reflections on Gentoo
On Sun, Jan 07, 2007 at 10:14:26PM +0100, Ivan Sakhalin wrote: Dear friends and fellow Gentooists, snip lots of text While the politics around these cases make rational discussion quite difficult it is obvious even to outsiders that this is not in the spirit of the original Gentoo Metadistribution - it even violates many of those so-called rules that were created to help the interaction between people from wildly divergent backgrounds. Devrel, as it stands, has always been controversial as everyone saw a different use for the rather unneeded concentration of power in the hands of a few people. But when people are denied an appeal and devrel unilaterally decides, ignoring policies and common sense, what is one supposed to think? Developer Relations haven't denied any appeals at all. You'll have to back this statement up with facts if you want to change any developers mind about this I'm afraid. Regards, Bryan Østergaard -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo healthy?
On Thu, Dec 21, 2006 at 12:00:28PM +0300, Andrey Gerasimenko wrote: As for my definition of healthy, it is simple: a healthy organization is not likely to quit its activities, mainly due to financial problems, in the next 10 years. If the likely is to be defined, then a healthy organization has less chances to quit in the next 10 years than 70% of all the same domain organizations that exist today. Oh wow, 10 years is a really long time in the world of community driven open source projects. I don't think anybody will ever be able to answer that question. That said, Gentoo definitely isn't driven by finances - what drives Gentoo is a great community and a bunch of developers working their butts off on a distribution they love and care about. As for the next question, I am not sure that it is worth answering it, possibly there is a better way to use your time, but you may still find it interesting to know what a common user may be thinking about. Are there any plans to make a business from Gentoo, any time in the future? Are there people who work on Gentoo full time? Does the profit from the Gentoo Store cover some visible part of the Gentoo expenses? Gentoo have no plans of making a business from our work. We've sorta tried that in the past with Gentoo Games but the developers really wanted a non-profit organisation. As for what the money from the Gentoo store and donations etc. is used for, that is controlled by the Trustees. I believe there's work being done to establish event kits so we'd have everything needed for conferences readibly available. There's also money spend on infrastructure things (domain renewals, assorted hardware etc). And while on this topic I should really thank all our great sponsors providing bandwidth, mirrors, servers, development boxes and so on. As far as I know there's no developers that's paid to work on Gentoo as their primary job. I believe there's a few developers who have some paid time to work on open source projects (like Gentoo) though as part of their contracts. As you can see, the questions are provoked by the news I heard about Ubuntu, Debian, and Mandriva. Hope this answered most of your questions. Regards, Bryan Østergaard -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo healthy?
On Wed, Dec 20, 2006 at 12:16:04PM +0300, Andrey Gerasimenko wrote: Is the non-profit organization side of Gentoo healthy? My brief Google session does not reveal anything that suggests it is not, but if somebody can and may comment on this, please do so. What do you mean by healthy? There's a number of important issues the Trustees have to work out but we're getting lots (for some value of lots) of donations, improving conference attendance etc. The non-profit organisation haven't existed very long so there's obviously going to be a number of issues still to be worked out but all in all I think it's getting better. But if you'd be so kind as to define what you mean by healthy I'm sure I could help with more insights. Regards, Bryan Østergaard -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo healthy?
On Tue, Dec 19, 2006 at 11:27:04AM +0300, Andrey Gerasimenko wrote: Where can I get data on the number of Gentoo users and how it changes with time? Are the sync servers reporting the number of portage trees? Are the numbers of subscribers to Gentoo mailing lists available? Can the number of Gentoo developers and the number of developers per package be made known (there is a report somewhere in the thread that the number of developers increased from 60 to 300 in 3 days, but a finer time scale is of interest)? Getting rsync statistics is tricky (if not impossible) as Gentoo only controls a few rsync mirrors themselves. Also, many people, universities and companies are likely running private rsync mirrors further skewing statistics. You can get the number of subscribers to all our mailing lists at http://lists.gentoo.org/ml_stats.txt and some statistics on our forums is available at https://forums.gentoo.org/statistics.php. Don't take those statistics as any more than saying we have lots of users - the statistics aren't meant to answer how many users we have and they're probably completely wrong for answering that question. Regards, Bryan Østergaard -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo healthy?
On Mon, Dec 18, 2006 at 10:54:06AM -0800, Grant wrote: I've caught a whiff or two lately that Gentoo is declining in popularity amongst users and developers. Is it all in my head? I personally still love Gentoo. there are always several phases in the life of a distri. Beginning, when it becomes 'cool' and a sudden surge in users, some time of high popularity, a decline, and at the end, only the users who are really 'the right ones' for that kind of distri are left. So the 'always using the cool thing' users are gone and the 'we are using what the cool guys were using' crowd is leaving now. So what? Are they important? No. At some point ubuntu will suffer the same. And then the next cool distro de jour. Some decline in user interest is normal - and a healthy process. Because it removes the 'I use it because it is cool' and 'I use it because everybody else uses it' type of users. I'm thinking this over a bit more, and it seems like the best thing for Gentoo (or any distro) is a lot of users. More users must mean more active developers, and more active developers must mean an increased rate of growth for the software. I believe the great benefit of Gentoo is its flexibility, and flexibility is like a meta-benefit because it makes possible any other benefit. What do you think makes Ubuntu the distro of the moment? Is it ease-of-use? If Gentoo focused more on ease-of-use aspects of the Ubuntu variety, they would attract more users and thereby increase the rate of growth for the software. Popular migration from one distro to the next sends a very important signal to any distro that wants to grow. I don't think our primary goal should be growth (in number of users / developers). In fact I think there's a lot of issues that're much more important to Gentoo. Gentoo started with the stated goal of providing a metadistribution. This basically means providing the best possible foundation for others to tinker with any way they like. Be it building embedded applications, making the next 'Ubuntu' or whatever. To me the flexibility that Gentoo provides is one of the most important things. Another thing that I think should go before popularity is quality. What good is a distribution if it doesn't work half the time no matter how many users it has? In short, staying focused on Gentoos original goals and not getting sidetracked by some meassure of popularity is a very good thing in my opinion. And for those who think Gentoo is declining I can only say that's definitely not what I'm seeing as lead of developer relations and recruiters. There's always some developers leaving but we have a lot more developers joining us. In the last 3 years that I've been a Gentoo developer we've grown from ~80 developers to 330+ developers. That's a yearly growth of 60% or more. Now, whether those 60% is the right people.. is another matter altogether :) Regards, Bryan Østergaard -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
