Re: [gentoo-user] ridiculously wide handbook pages
2010/10/4 Fatih Tümen fthtmn+gen...@gmail.com fthtmn%2bgen...@gmail.com
On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 1:18 AM, Renat Golubchyk ragerm...@gmx.net wrote:
Unfortunately Gentoo documentation uses table layout instead of
relying entirely on CSS. Therefore it is not easy to make the docs
beautiful for everybody right now. But there is a simple workaround
which you may find good enough. Add the following CSS rule into your
~/.mozilla/...your profile.../chrome/userContent.css or install the
Stylish add-on [3] and create a style with the rule:
-
@namespace url(http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml);
@-moz-document domain(gentoo.org) {
td.content p {
width: 40em;
}
}
-
Change 40em to anything you like.
Thank you very much for this tip. I use chromium and fortunately there
exists the Stylish chrome extension. I got it working with the code
you gave by just snipping the moz-document line.
When I inspect the element and check the page source I understand
where td.content and p comes from but could you explain what 'em'
suffix to 40 means please?
--
Fatih
The em is just a length measurement.
You can read more about it here:
http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS2/syndata.html#length-units
Re: [gentoo-user] How many people use KDE?
All right, my turn to congratulate KDE on doing such a fine job. --rant arg=slight-- I have been using Linux (Gentoo at that) for over 6 yrs. During that time I have tried Gnome, KDE, and XFCE off and on. After spending some time with each (2-3 weeks) I would always go back to a plain window manager (Openbox or FVWM). For the last 2yrs I had been using FVWM and had went to a lot of work to get my desktop completely customized to how I liked it, then KDE 3.5 came out and I decided to give it a shot, especially since I had been doing some reading about KDE 4 and was totally amazed by Plasma and how they are planning on interfacing with DBUS / HAL. I must say combining the easy configurability of KDE and the unbloatfullness of split ebuilds. KDE is now just about perfect for me, my only 2 complaints that I have so far (1 being Amarok and not KDE) are I wish KDE 3.5 was a little faster but that should get fixed with 4.x and I wish that Amarok handled Podcasts with more flexibility and allowed me to create playlists and such automaticlaly on my iPod (problem solved by not using Amarok and using bashpodder / gnupod). KDE has been a great experience and I can see why Linus prefers it over Gnome (I used to enjoy Gnome more than KDE). This all being said I am very excited to see what KDE dev's come up with next (maybe a good Arts successor). --/rant-- -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] 80211/IPW2200 vs. Kernel 2.6.14
On 11/19/05, Bill Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 21:42 Fri 18 Nov , Matthias Bethke wrote: I just noticed the new Gentoo kernel 2.6.14-r2 includes support for both the generic 802.11 stack and the Intel IPW2200 driver. I've been using the separate ebuilds for these two so far, now I was wondering if there's still any advantage to that. Any opinions? I tried the 2.6.14 kernel with the ipw2200 driver, and it didn't work. Maybe it was fixed in release 2. Bill Roberts Can anyone tell me if the in-kernel driver supports turning your card on in promiscuous mode? -- - Derek Tracy [EMAIL PROTECTED] - -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo still on the right path?
On 11/16/05, Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 16 Nov 2005 15:50:00 -0500, Derek Tracy wrote: The biggest reason for the reinstall was because in my contant playing around with DE's and WM's trying to find one that I completely liked. I had KDE, GNOME, E17, FVWM, OpenBOX (I think that is it) all on my system. In all of my toying around I found out a lot about myself, for 1 GUI applications make me work slower and FVWM was and is all I need to make me happy. So I could either unemerge KDE GNOME and the rest (which would surely leave all sorts of unneeded libs and things) or I could reinstall. emerge -C kde-meta gnome emerge depclean -a Thank you. If this system gets over cluttered again I will do just that. Much easier than reinstalling, and the reason for depclean. To me reinstallation sounded a lot easier. Reinstallation is never easier. All it ever does is hide the issues, you never find out how to resolve them. That is what I was thinking when I switched to stable. From what I am seeing either my computer doesn't like stable code or stable does not mean stable anymore. It's not about stable code, that is up to the upstream developers. arch vs. ~arch is about the stability of the ebuilds, and this is using stable in the same way that Debian do; not changing. An arch ebuild is stable because it has not changed in, usually, at least 30 days. A ~arch ebuild is for testing, it does not mean the program is unstable. I can definately see your point and I have never heard arch and ~arch explained like that. It gives me a lot of food for thought. Again thank you. -- Neil Bothwick First Law of Laboratory Work: To give a big update. In the original post I mentioned that I was in the middle of doing an emerge -e world after changing from x86 to ~x86 Well after the compile completed I did a quick etc-update.. Re-emerged madwifi-driver and ipw2200 ipw2200-firmware nvidia-kernel nvidia-glx (I did not change any other config files) and low and behold after a quick reboot everything was working again. -- - Derek Tracy [EMAIL PROTECTED] - -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo still on the right path?
On 11/16/05, Daniel da Veiga [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 11/16/05, Derek Tracy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is a lot longer than I originally intended it to be so if you want the jist of it skip to the end. (DISCLAIMER: Let me start off by saying that this is truly not a flame but more of a concern.So please do not flame me for stating my opinions/concerns.)Guess you won't get any flames, just considerable advices, cause we don't wanna loose a Gentooer :) I have been an avid Gentoo User for 2 and 1/2 years now.I have installed Gentoo on many different platforms including HPPA and Sparc, not too mention the countless x86 installs.I have never had a problem, every install has went smooth.I have done both Stage3 and Stage1 installs (I have always preferred a Stage1 install). Recently, I decided that it was time to reinstall due to the numerous packages that I had installed and different DE's / WM configurations, and I must admit that I have recently been diving into LVM2 and encryption (I figured that starting from scratch would be my best bet).In the past I have always leaned toward ~x86 (I love bleeding edge).But since this was going to be a new install I decided to do the preferred method and set all ~x86 flags via /etc/portage/package.keywords for specific packages.I would never even consider completely reinstall a working environment, specially one that installation and configuration is 90%of the work you'll ever have dealing with the machine (except maybefor hardware failures).The biggest reason for the reinstall was because in my contant playing around with DE's and WM's trying to find one that I completely liked. I had KDE, GNOME, E17, FVWM, OpenBOX (I think that is it) all on my system. In all of my toying around I found out a lot about myself, for 1 GUI applications make me work slower and FVWM was and is all I need to make me happy. So I could either unemerge KDE GNOME and the rest (which would surely leave all sorts of unneeded libs and things) or I could reinstall. To me reinstallation sounded a lot easier. Also note that this is the first time that I have had a really hard time getting Gentoo to work. (I will most likely never reinstall on this machine again.) Now since we have the background we will get to the questions at hand. During this install I have run into nothing but problems.I boot from the livecd just fine (if I append nopcmcia and dolvm2) and everything goes smooth.NOTE: I am performing this install step by step from the online handbook with a slight modification I am using LVM2 for /usr /usr/portage /opt /var /tmp /home (I figured I would take advantage of some setuid security procedures).Part way through the online handbook I noticed that they standardized the Stage3 install.I figured that since the developers thought it was best to use a Stage3 install then why not give it a shot.So I installed everything according to the handbook and all went well until I restarted.You see, I'm one of those guys that think: if you got the livecdworking, network, maybe video, sound or anything else with NO DISC,your system is gentooable. :) of course you may run into problems accourding to your config and special needs, it always happened to me,but hey, at least you know what you're doying, not like those easy,complete, fast and general installations that keeps LOTS of trashmaking your system crawl compared to a clean, wise and configurated environment. After restarting I noticed that ipw2200 did not load properly was posted in my boot mesg WTF.I distinctly remembered during the install that I waited until after I installed the kernel, then I went ahead and installed the external modules.(NOTE: I did not use the built in kernel modules for ipw2200 or ieee80211 I had read too many horror stories about incompatible versions of ipw2200-firmware and I have always had good luck with the external drivers)One other thing, instead of going for pure on the edge goodness of using a Nitro-esque kernel (one optimized for speed over stability) I decided to use Gentoo-sources again trusting the developers judgement.After searching through tons of articles regarding ipw2200 drivers not working with the latest Stable Gentoo-Sources I decided to go with the kernel drivers and give them a shot.I recompiled rebooted and low and behold the drivers still weren't working.After trying all sorts of different combinations Unstable versions of this stable versions of that. Nothing worked, so I proceeded to reboot back into the livecd and re-chroot into my system so I could get a network connection and install the Madwifi Drivers, for a pcmcia card that I have laying around.Also note that the Madwifi drivers are considered Unstable.I rebooted the computer and the drivers actually worked (Yea Unstable).So I got the network connection up, then I decided to go ahead and install X (I thought that it would be easier to troubleshoot the ipw drivers from a graphical environment copy, paste, multiple xterms
Re: [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo still on the right path?
I couldn't have said it better myself.On 11/16/05, Benjamin Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday 16 November 2005 21:47, Mark Knecht wrote: I'm not a developer and I've never done a Stage 1 install so I cannot say for sure, but it's my understanding that after a Stage 3 install most people end up rebuilding everything anyway within a few weeks. Very soon my Stage 3 and your Stage 1 are identical. The Stage 1 allows me to get the machine up and running sooner. Just my take on the question. Cheers, Mark True that the installations become identical very soon. But what if I set upserver using stage 1 and an up-to-date portage tree. After the installationis finished it'll sit around doing whatever it's supposed to do and I don't really touch it except for security related updates.Just an example where stage 1 was a nice option. Taking away such an optiondoesn't sound all too much like the gentoo way to me. -- -Derek Tracy[EMAIL PROTECTED]-
Re: [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo still on the right path?
I also want to reiterate that if they are going to make a Stage3 install the default then make it a rock solid release. And in my opinion portage needs to be pruned not only of un-maintained packages but also of packages that conflict with others. Like I said before a Stable tree should be just that Stable. There is no reason someone should have to completely change to the Unstable branch when all of the programs that he / she wants are marked stable for that arch. On 11/16/05, Mark Knecht [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 11/16/05, Benjamin Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday 16 November 2005 21:47, Mark Knecht wrote: I'm not a developer and I've never done a Stage 1 install so I cannot say for sure, but it's my understanding that after a Stage 3 install most people end up rebuilding everything anyway within a few weeks. Very soon my Stage 3 and your Stage 1 are identical. The Stage 1 allows me to get the machine up and running sooner. Just my take on the question. Cheers, Mark True that the installations become identical very soon. But what if I set up server using stage 1 and an up-to-date portage tree. After the installation is finished it'll sit around doing whatever it's supposed to do and I don't really touch it except for security related updates. Just an example where stage 1 was a nice option. Taking away such an option doesn't sound all too much like the gentoo way to me.Good points. I agree it doesn't seem like the Gentoo way to remove options, however, in response to Derek's original point about risingor fallign numbers of Gentoo new users it might be wise to make thedefault install Stage 3, thus making the newest users most likely moresuccessful, and then create some (not so obvious) option to allow folks like you that have good reasons to do Stage 1 if they want it.I know not what I speak of as I cannot even imagine anymore why I'dwant to do a Stage 1 install, but I do assume all that work must have some value to others.Take care,Mark--gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list-- - Derek Tracy[EMAIL PROTECTED]-
Re: [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo still on the right path?
On 11/16/05, Jeff Smelser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday 16 November 2005 02:50 pm, Derek Tracy wrote: That is what I was thinking when I switched to stable. From what I am seeing either my computer doesn't like stable code or stable does not mean stable anymore.But thats not what you said. I Quote:In the past I have always leaned toward ~x86 (I love bleeding edge). Butsince this was going to be a new install I decided to do the preferred method and set all ~x86 flags via /etc/portage/package.keywords for specificpackages. This means your MIXING the two and is only recommended once the system is up.During an install, you should do one or the other, not start mixing andmatching. HOWEVER, if you did set all to x86, and havent touched package.keyword, read the next paragraph.I did not set any of the flags as I wanted to get the system up and running first. What I was doing was pointing out that if I needed to set the ~x86 flag on any packages then I would do so via the above stated file. Stable is fine.. I really dont understand how some modules have ANY thing to do with being x86 or ~x86..Modules are always finicky, no matter what linuxdistro you use.. You probably are just forgetting to compile in the kerneloptions you had before, that you do not now have. (Guessing of course). Been there and checked that. Confirmed to not be the case. Sounds to me you just re-installed before making sure you had all your ducksin a row and blaming it on gentoo. I havent seen anything in your messagethat I can say, gentoo did it, and you didnt do it yourself.. It all really just sounds like configuration issues, that happens on all new install, nomatter the distro, x86/~x86, or otherwise.I would have to disagree with you on this. I do not believe that it is a config issue I beleive that many of the x86 packages still do not play well with each other, that is what I am saying needs fixed. Jeff-- - Derek Tracy[EMAIL PROTECTED]-
Re: [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo still on the right path?
On 11/16/05, Richard Fish [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 11/16/05, Derek Tracy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When a branch is marked stable all of the packages in that branch should work,I'm not sure this is always possible.Much of your complaint comes from the ipw2200 driver, which is new in 2.6.14.But the in-kernelversion is several versions older than the external driver.So should2.6.14 remain marked as unstable because of this one driver that works for some people, but not for others?Or because a specific externallymaintained driver or package doesn't build against it?On my system, either the in-kernel or external drivers work fine.Theonly caveat is that I need firmware version 2.2 with the in-kerneldrivers, and a different version for the external.If I am using theexternal version, the portage dependancy tree makes sure I have theright version of the firmware.But the kernel sources do not (and should not) depend upon the ipw2200-firmware package, so this is acase where I need to know the driver requirements.(Also, the kernelhelp specifies that the driver requires external firmware, although it doesn't specify what version.)What I am complaining about is that neither of the drivers will work. Regarding the X.org issue, without an Xorg.0.log file, it is reallyimpossible to say what the problem there is.It could be something assimple as your kernel configuration; for example leaving out I2C or AGP support could cause this.But in my view, you cannot take an existing xorg.conf file and expectit to work without any issues _without_ duplicating the same systemconfiguration (kernel version, kernel config, and nvidia driver version).The fastest method of configuring X on a new system is torun X -configure, test the resulting configuration, and use thatxorg.conf file.Yes, this would use the opensource x.org Nv driver,but it should definitely work for getting X up and running.If thisdoesn't work, then you have reason to complain.I have tried both ways. My reasoning for taking my old config was originally for the Modeline info. The only reason that I arbitrarily threw it into the newly built system was because the X -configure did not work (even after I switched the dev/mouse to /dev/input/mice) I get the same error with both of the configs. If the proprietary nvidia driver doesn't work with a particular kernelversion, you can only complain to nvidia. I have had that happen in the past and would not ever think about blaming the Gentoo Developers for NVidias work. I'm quite sure a binary-based distribution would have worked betterfor you in this case, only because nothing would have been upgraded orchanged.Everything that worked before would have continued to work,just like everything that was broken before would have continued to be broken.It is the price of progress, IMO.-Richard--gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list-- - Derek Tracy[EMAIL PROTECTED]-
