[OT] Ubuntu isn't the devil (was: Re: [gentoo-user] Again: Critical bugs considered invalid)
On Friday 08 June 2007, Hemmann, Volker Armin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about 'Re: [gentoo-user] Again: Critical bugs considered invalid': On Samstag, 9. Juni 2007, b.n. wrote: Kent Fredric ha scritto: On 6/8/07, b.n. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ( probably releated to it being a generally harder distro to use that *cough* ewwbuntu *cough* unlinspired *cough* or *cough* deadrat *cough* ) OT: Ubuntu distros (Kubuntu, expecially) are really, really shiny and slick pieces of software. I just installed Kubuntu 7.04 at work and it's the more polished, ready-to-go, easy to use Linux distro I've ever seen. I use Gentoo on my home desktop for various reasons and because I have different needs, but the Linux community has only to learn from the Ubuntus. what to learn? How to make kcontrol worse? I think many find ksystemsettings to be better a better interface than kcontrol. I don't, so I just use kcontrol. It is a little stupid that they don't install the desktop icon for it, but it's trivial to fix. The slowest boot of all times? My Gentoo boots more slowly, but that's probably related to the large delay mounting a 3TiB reiserfs. Ubuntu can also be very quick to boot *if* all files read on startup fit into system ram throughout the startup sequence, on my laptop this isn't the case, so my booting is somewhat delayed. A braindead installer? How exactly is it braindead? I've used it multiple times and while it's error handling could be better, it's allowed me to do all the setup I need before the install starts and generally gets me run-and-running much faster and Gentoo. A patched-to-death kpdf? Yeah, ubuntu patches KDE left and right and it's a bit annoying, especially when they reduce usability for no good reason. E.g. the search toolbar forces the cursor to the end of it's contents from time to time, and doesn't properly submit searches with parenthesis in them -- both issues make the search bar on Gentoo much better. Yes, there is something to learn from the ubuntus. Like: don't make their mistakes. Their mistakes made them the most popular linux distribution in a incredibly small amount of time. Their mistakes continue to drive user and developers toward the project in flocks. Their mistakes lead to Dell shipping home systems with Ubuntu pre-installed. I love Gentoo. I love Debian. I still think Ubuntu does some things better and some things worse. On my laptop, I'd prefer not to configure anything -- and Ubuntu provides a usable system with no hassles. Servers @ work -- Debian. Desktop @ home -- Gentoo. I don't think I'd change any of them. Or: there is a difference between userfriendly and made for idiots. Ubuntu being neither. ;) -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.org/ \_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [OT] Ubuntu isn't the devil (was: Re: [gentoo-user] Again: Critical bugs considered invalid)
On Samstag, 9. Juni 2007, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: On Friday 08 June 2007, Hemmann, Volker Armin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about 'Re: [gentoo-user] The slowest boot of all times? My Gentoo boots more slowly, but that's probably related to the large delay mounting a 3TiB reiserfs. Ubuntu can also be very quick to boot *if* all files read on startup fit into system ram throughout the startup sequence, on my laptop this isn't the case, so my booting is somewhat delayed. I have several boot cds. And none of them booted as slow as kubuntu 7.04. yeah, reiserfs mounts slowly with really big drives - wasn't there a patch added recently to speed it up? A braindead installer? How exactly is it braindead? like 'there is a freshly formated partition, but you have to format it again, because me, the mighty installer says so'? Yes, there is something to learn from the ubuntus. Like: don't make their mistakes. Their mistakes made them the most popular linux distribution in a incredibly small amount of time. Their mistakes continue to drive user and developers toward the project in flocks. Their mistakes lead to Dell shipping home systems with Ubuntu pre-installed. nope, what made them the 'most popular distribution' was the fact that they were hyped even before they released the first version. There have been other easy-to-use distos before and after ubuntu - and I am sure most of them would overtake ubuntu, if they would be hyped the same way. I love Gentoo. I love Debian. I still think Ubuntu does some things better and some things worse. On my laptop, I'd prefer not to configure anything -- and Ubuntu provides a usable system with no hassles. Servers @ work -- Debian. Desktop @ home -- Gentoo. I don't think I'd change any of them. I don't love debian - it is just a distribution - and I am annoyed by hype. Any kind of hype. I remember very well the hype around Mandrake (I got almost insane, when I tried it. Lots and lots of sugarly cute graphics and colours and no obvious way to turn it off...), I have seen the smaller hype around lindows, I luckily joined gentoo before the hype and I have seen ubuntu beeing hyped and reported as the 'bestest' distribution of all time, before they even released anything. Or: there is a difference between userfriendly and made for idiots. Ubuntu being neither. ;) from my POV (you are free to see it differently) ubuntu is not userfriendly, it is idiot friendly. Some people might think, that I am an idiot, so I should shut up and be happy, but for me, ubuntu sucks. Everybody is entitled to have an opinion. I don't like ubuntu. If you like it, good for you. I won't stop you using it or belittle you for that. Everybody uses the distro that fits his needs - that is the great thing about choice. But for me, *buntu does not fit, -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
