Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Travelling in Greece, need advice
On Wednesday 06 July 2005 07:11, Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC wrote: On Jul 5, 2005, at 10:53 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Wednesday 06 July 2005 03:29, Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC wrote: I would not trust a wifi setup by a unknown 3rd party to do online banking. The security of the average wifi is pretty low. Because of lazyness, stupidity or bugs. However, any good bank will have SSL for the higher level protocols, and the wifi should be as secure as public wired connections (ie DSL etc). (which is to say, not secure). If you trust your cable modem or DSL to do SSL-enabled online banking, you should be ok with the wifi hm, you want to tell me, that it is as easy to get into the computer room, No need to get into the computer room. Plenty of cables leading out of the computer room. I could tap any of my neighbors cable lines or phone lines without them knowing and without going into their house. Once you get outside the computer room you are on the unprotected internet, whether you are on wifi or DSL or cable or modem to get there. ok, but where I live, you have to dig, to get to the cables.. and then you still do not know, which cable to hack out of the bundle. While with a wifi, all you need is a good antenna. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Travelling in Greece, need advice
Hello! I am travelling and am currently on the Greek island of Corfu. It is great! I have my laptop but I'm finding it totally impossible to find a place that will let me plug into their network for Internet access. I can't use public systems because of keyboard loggers and bank passwords etc. My business is seriously dying at this point and after a lot of thinking, I think my best option is to get my modem working and hire one of the global dial-up providers. I should be able to find a phone line wherever I am. Does anyone have a better idea? If not, does anyone recommend a particular one of these companies? Go wifi, try this for a list of hotspots worldwide: http://intel.jiwire.com/ hth, cooper. I had planned on finding wireless connections and then ethernet networks as a backup. Either one has proven to be totally impossible. I need something I can rely on and since using public computers is too dangerous it sounds like I need to dial up. I could just make sure that there is an available phone line where I plan to go and that my dial-up provider has a local number there. Can anyone recommend a particular global dial-up company? - Grant -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Travelling in Greece, need advice
Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: hm, you want to tell me, that it is as easy to get into the computer room, hack a line and listen, than to hold an atenna in the right direction? it only takes *one* compromised router/machine to ruin your day. Trust in nothing. Encrypt everything. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Travelling in Greece, need advice
Grant wrote: Hello! I am travelling and am currently on the Greek island of Corfu. It is great! I have my laptop but I'm finding it totally impossible to find a place that will let me plug into their network for Internet access. I can't use public systems because of keyboard loggers and bank passwords etc. My business is seriously dying at this point and after a lot of thinking, I think my best option is to get my modem working and hire one of the global dial-up providers. I should be able to find a phone line wherever I am. Does anyone have a better idea? If not, does anyone recommend a particular one of these companies? Go wifi, try this for a list of hotspots worldwide: http://intel.jiwire.com/ hth, cooper. I had planned on finding wireless connections and then ethernet networks as a backup. Either one has proven to be totally impossible. I need something I can rely on and since using public computers is too dangerous it sounds like I need to dial up. I could just make sure that there is an available phone line where I plan to go and that my dial-up provider has a local number there. Can anyone recommend a particular global dial-up company? - Grant It's been a while since I've had to shop around for dialup service for any of my users. However, if my memory serves me correctly I think ATT has global dial-up capabilities. It's probably at a premium, but available none the less. byron -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Travelling in Greece, need advice
Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: The security of the average wifi is pretty low. Because of lazyness, stupidity or bugs. Get a modem, you should be able to dial in to several local and international isps :) I would not trust a wifi setup by a unknown 3rd party to do online banking. If you use a VPN, then all your communications is encrypted. I setup openvpn into my servers and it relays all my transactions, so it's exactly if I was working in the office. You also don't need to be as concerned about SSL connections, etc. --Kurt -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Travelling in Greece, need advice
On Jul 6, 2005, at 6:49 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Wednesday 06 July 2005 07:11, Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC wrote: On Jul 5, 2005, at 10:53 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Wednesday 06 July 2005 03:29, Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC wrote: I would not trust a wifi setup by a unknown 3rd party to do online banking. The security of the average wifi is pretty low. Because of lazyness, stupidity or bugs. However, any good bank will have SSL for the higher level protocols, and the wifi should be as secure as public wired connections (ie DSL etc). (which is to say, not secure). If you trust your cable modem or DSL to do SSL-enabled online banking, you should be ok with the wifi hm, you want to tell me, that it is as easy to get into the computer room, No need to get into the computer room. Plenty of cables leading out of the computer room. I could tap any of my neighbors cable lines or phone lines without them knowing and without going into their house. Once you get outside the computer room you are on the unprotected internet, whether you are on wifi or DSL or cable or modem to get there. ok, but where I live, you have to dig, to get to the cables.. and then you still do not know, which cable to hack out of the bundle. While with a wifi, all you need is a good antenna. Nope, no digging. Phone lines terminate in handy little boxes on the side of the houses. Cable modem lines have little termination pedestals on the street and single cable going into the building Chad -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list --- Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC Your Web App and Email hosting provider [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Travelling in Greece, need advice
I had planned on finding wireless connections and then ethernet networks as a backup. Either one has proven to be totally impossible. I need something I can rely on and since using public computers is too dangerous it sounds like I need to dial up. I could just make sure that there is an available phone line where I plan to go and that my dial-up provider has a local number there. Can anyone recommend a particular global dial-up company? - Grant It's been a while since I've had to shop around for dialup service for any of my users. However, if my memory serves me correctly I think ATT has global dial-up capabilities. It's probably at a premium, but available none the less. byron Thanks Byron. I'm hooked up with budgetdialup.com now. 6 cents/minute in Europe. Please see my new post on getting my laptop's winmodem working if you're interested. This linux-on-laptops.com link has it working with a driver in the kernel: http://www.angelfire.com/linux/t_johnson/ although running Slackware. - Grant -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Travelling in Greece, need advice
On Wednesday 06 July 2005 16:07, Billy Holmes wrote: Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: hm, you want to tell me, that it is as easy to get into the computer room, hack a line and listen, than to hold an atenna in the right direction? it only takes *one* compromised router/machine to ruin your day. Trust in nothing. Encrypt everything. and ONE typing error is enough, to open up your wifi for everybody withing a radius of 1 km. Than the cracker can easily listening to the handshake, get the keys, and you are screwed. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Travelling in Greece, need advice
On Jul 6, 2005, at 2:47 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Wednesday 06 July 2005 17:18, Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC wrote: Nope, no digging. Phone lines terminate in handy little boxes on the side of the houses. Cable modem lines have little termination pedestals on the street and single cable going into the building yes digging ;) These boxes are only on old buidlings, where nobody cares, but I don't know any building built in the last 20 years, where you have this boxes outside at the walls. Most single family homes in the US have a phone access box on the outside of the house. Especially new construction. And the cable boxes are out on the street as well no digging Chad -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list --- Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC Your Web App and Email hosting provider [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Travelling in Greece, need advice
On Wednesday 06 July 2005 22:54, Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC wrote: On Jul 6, 2005, at 2:47 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Wednesday 06 July 2005 17:18, Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC wrote: Nope, no digging. Phone lines terminate in handy little boxes on the side of the houses. Cable modem lines have little termination pedestals on the street and single cable going into the building yes digging ;) These boxes are only on old buidlings, where nobody cares, but I don't know any building built in the last 20 years, where you have this boxes outside at the walls. Most single family homes in the US have a phone access box on the outside of the house. Especially new construction. glad, that I am not living there ;) Where I live, almost all houses have no boxes outside anymore, and thus makes digging a requirement, or to look for the right manhole and find the right cable ;) -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Travelling in Greece, need advice
On Thu, 2005-07-07 at 00:45 +0200, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: Most single family homes in the US have a phone access box on the outside of the house. Especially new construction. glad, that I am not living there ;) Where I live, almost all houses have no boxes outside anymore, and thus makes digging a requirement, or to look for the right manhole and find the right cable ;) I think I've got the solution for both of ya: FIBER! Time to get on the neighborhood SONET ring... :) Dave -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Travelling in Greece, need advice
Grant ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) scribbled: Hello! I am travelling and am currently on the Greek island of Corfu. It is great! I have my laptop but I'm finding it totally impossible to find a place that will let me plug into their network for Internet access. I can't use public systems because of keyboard loggers and bank passwords etc. My business is seriously dying at this point and after a lot of thinking, I think my best option is to get my modem working and hire one of the global dial-up providers. I should be able to find a phone line wherever I am. Does anyone have a better idea? If not, does anyone recommend a particular one of these companies? Go wifi, try this for a list of hotspots worldwide: http://intel.jiwire.com/ hth, cooper. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Travelling in Greece, need advice
On Wednesday 06 July 2005 02:07, Jason Cooper wrote: Grant ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) scribbled: Hello! I am travelling and am currently on the Greek island of Corfu. It is great! I have my laptop but I'm finding it totally impossible to find a place that will let me plug into their network for Internet access. I can't use public systems because of keyboard loggers and bank passwords etc. My business is seriously dying at this point and after a lot of thinking, I think my best option is to get my modem working and hire one of the global dial-up providers. I should be able to find a phone line wherever I am. Does anyone have a better idea? If not, does anyone recommend a particular one of these companies? Go wifi, try this for a list of hotspots worldwide: http://intel.jiwire.com/ hth, cooper. I would not trust a wifi setup by a unknown 3rd party to do online banking. The security of the average wifi is pretty low. Because of lazyness, stupidity or bugs. Get a modem, you should be able to dial in to several local and international isps :) -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Travelling in Greece, need advice
On Jul 5, 2005, at 7:11 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Wednesday 06 July 2005 02:07, Jason Cooper wrote: Grant ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) scribbled: Hello! I am travelling and am currently on the Greek island of Corfu. It is great! I have my laptop but I'm finding it totally impossible to find a place that will let me plug into their network for Internet access. I can't use public systems because of keyboard loggers and bank passwords etc. My business is seriously dying at this point and after a lot of thinking, I think my best option is to get my modem working and hire one of the global dial-up providers. I should be able to find a phone line wherever I am. Does anyone have a better idea? If not, does anyone recommend a particular one of these companies? Go wifi, try this for a list of hotspots worldwide: http://intel.jiwire.com/ hth, cooper. I would not trust a wifi setup by a unknown 3rd party to do online banking. The security of the average wifi is pretty low. Because of lazyness, stupidity or bugs. However, any good bank will have SSL for the higher level protocols, and the wifi should be as secure as public wired connections (ie DSL etc). (which is to say, not secure). If you trust your cable modem or DSL to do SSL-enabled online banking, you should be ok with the wifi Chad --- Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC Your Web App and Email hosting provider [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Travelling in Greece, need advice
Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) scribbled: On Jul 5, 2005, at 7:11 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Wednesday 06 July 2005 02:07, Jason Cooper wrote: Grant ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) scribbled: [snip] after a lot of thinking, I think my best option is to get my modem working and hire one of the global dial-up providers. I should be able to find a phone line wherever I am. Does anyone have a better idea? If not, does anyone recommend a particular one of these companies? Go wifi, try this for a list of hotspots worldwide: http://intel.jiwire.com/ I would not trust a wifi setup by a unknown 3rd party to do online banking. The security of the average wifi is pretty low. Because of lazyness, stupidity or bugs. However, any good bank will have SSL for the higher level protocols, and the wifi should be as secure as public wired connections (ie DSL etc). (which is to say, not secure). If you trust your cable modem or DSL to do SSL-enabled online banking, you should be ok with the wifi Just keep in mind to always check that SSL is locked _before_ entering any login information. ;) hth, cooper. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Travelling in Greece, need advice
On Wednesday 06 July 2005 03:29, Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC wrote: I would not trust a wifi setup by a unknown 3rd party to do online banking. The security of the average wifi is pretty low. Because of lazyness, stupidity or bugs. However, any good bank will have SSL for the higher level protocols, and the wifi should be as secure as public wired connections (ie DSL etc). (which is to say, not secure). If you trust your cable modem or DSL to do SSL-enabled online banking, you should be ok with the wifi hm, you want to tell me, that it is as easy to get into the computer room, hack a line and listen, than to hold an atenna in the right direction? -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Travelling in Greece, need advice
On Jul 5, 2005, at 10:53 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Wednesday 06 July 2005 03:29, Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC wrote: I would not trust a wifi setup by a unknown 3rd party to do online banking. The security of the average wifi is pretty low. Because of lazyness, stupidity or bugs. However, any good bank will have SSL for the higher level protocols, and the wifi should be as secure as public wired connections (ie DSL etc). (which is to say, not secure). If you trust your cable modem or DSL to do SSL-enabled online banking, you should be ok with the wifi hm, you want to tell me, that it is as easy to get into the computer room, No need to get into the computer room. Plenty of cables leading out of the computer room. I could tap any of my neighbors cable lines or phone lines without them knowing and without going into their house. Once you get outside the computer room you are on the unprotected internet, whether you are on wifi or DSL or cable or modem to get there. Chad hack a line and listen, than to hold an atenna in the right direction? -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list --- Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC Your Web App and Email hosting provider [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
