Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Considering launching into Gentoo
walt ha scritto: Heh. I laughed out loud when I read this link about dselect, especially the quote from Andrew Morton who captured my sentiments exactly: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dselect Oh well but it's kinda obvious that dselect is HELL and no one uses it anymore I think. I thought you were using something like aptitude, which is a bit clumsy but works well. But for me synaptics is THE way to do a user-friendly software installer. Yes, if gentoo ever disappears (God forbid) I would probably go back to Ubuntu because the Synaptics front end isn't too confusing. But I'm still annoyed by the idea that a binary package can be only 'partially installed', whatever that means. And why does a binary package need to be configured, whatever that means? Good questions. As for the first, I guess it means apt-get finds a conflict or something wrong happens during installing (Tried to google but didn't find anything). As for the configuring, well, I guess it's something like writing default configuration files, or when you have to do dispatch-conf here. After I dropped dselect like a hot potato I used apt-get from the command line routinely. I recall that there were often conflicts between the newly downloaded packages and the old installed ones, leaving the machine in an undefined state for me to sort out however I could. Yes this is bad, but probably is more due to bad packaging than to the packaging system itself (On Gentoo you have other troubles like having to revdep-rebuild your system etc., so to each its own) Perhaps Debian has matured a bit since then -- I certainly hope so! I can say that using Kubuntu at work was mostly a piece of cake. It is a different system from Gentoo with different goals, of course. m.
[gentoo-user] Re: Considering launching into Gentoo
On Saturday 13 June 2009, AG wrote: Hello list I am currently running Debian Squeeze and am considering the feasibility of switching to Gentoo due to several issues I am experiencing with a new machine with a SATA HDD and a TSSTcorp CDDVDW TS-H653Z which refuses to play audio CDs and pre-recorded DVDs. In any event, because I have loads of data on my /home partition, I'm curious about a few things, primarily what are the implications of dual-booting with Gentoo as my second OS, so that I can experience Gentoo without losing my data, etc. How compatible are Gentoo and Debian in terms of using a shared /home directory - I am concerned about uid for the directory for instance which, if I changed it for Gentoo, may not work for Debian and vice versa. Any thoughts/ suggestions? Many thanks AG I had for a while a dual boot Gentoo-Debian. It is nothing to worry about. The only two things I remember (it was mid 2005) are: 1) kmail repository is in a different subdir (~/.mail vs ~/Mail) 2) Openoffice folder had different naming as well Those are not issues that are worked around with a couple of symlinks. WRT UID/GID just make sure in advance the two OS uses the same. Don't forget to make backup before starting your tests ;-) Ciao Francesco -- Linux Version 2.6.30-gentoo, Compiled #1 SMP PREEMPT Thu Jun 11 18:44:20 CEST 2009 Two 1GHz AMD Athlon 64 Processors, 4GB RAM, 4018.72 Bogomips Total aemaeth
[gentoo-user] Re: Considering launching into Gentoo
AG wrote: Hello list I am currently running Debian Squeeze and am considering the feasibility of switching to Gentoo due to several issues I am experiencing with a new machine with a SATA HDD and a TSSTcorp CDDVDW TS-H653Z which refuses to play audio CDs and pre-recorded DVDs. Well, I'm all for using gentoo because I despise the debian package system, but that's just me. Hardware problems like you describe are usually driver- related or really are hardware problems, in my experience. As it's a new machine it can be hard to separate hardware from driver problems without, as you say, trying some different software. The gold standard for such trials usually involves Windows because the drivers are so widely tested before the manufacturer releases them to the public. Chances are you'll be using the same drivers with gentoo as with debian. In any event, because I have loads of data on my /home partition, I'm curious about a few things, primarily what are the implications of dual-booting with Gentoo as my second OS, so that I can experience Gentoo without losing my data, etc. How compatible are Gentoo and Debian in terms of using a shared /home directory - I am concerned about uid for the directory for instance which, if I changed it for Gentoo, may not work for Debian and vice versa. That part is trivial. You can either specify a desired UID when you create your gentoo user, or go back later and change it with chown -R newuid:newgid.
[gentoo-user] Re: Considering launching into Gentoo
Alan McKinnon wrote: ...As a Debian user, it is normally safe to assume you can, in fact, read :-) Ah, maybe that explains why I despise their package manager. When I was a Debian user I figured that the most basic of utilities should be easy to use -- and I'm only half joking. Just for fun I tried Ubuntu recently since it's been so popular the last few years. They built their system on top of a Debian base, including my nemesis, the Debian package management system :o( The Synaptics GUI front end for their package manager is a great deal easier than the original back end, true, but the basic bad design of the back end still glares through the eye candy. (Just my opinion.) I like gentoo's portage system so-o-o-o much better!
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Considering launching into Gentoo
walt ha scritto: Ah, maybe that explains why I despise their package manager. When I was a Debian user I figured that the most basic of utilities should be easy to use -- and I'm only half joking. Just for fun I tried Ubuntu recently since it's been so popular the last few years. They built their system on top of a Debian base, including my nemesis, the Debian package management system :o( The Synaptics GUI front end for their package manager is a great deal easier than the original back end, true, but the basic bad design of the back end still glares through the eye candy. (Just my opinion.) I like gentoo's portage system so-o-o-o much better! As a user of both Debian-based and Gentoo systems, I am curious to know what do you find so annoying about apt-get. Portage is more flexible probably, but apt-get, with an appropriate frontend like Synaptics, is a piece of cake: in 99% of cases is click go. And surely it makes more sense to use than rpm, on the command line (let alone the crazy Slackware guys :) ) m.
[gentoo-user] Re: Considering launching into Gentoo
bn wrote: walt ha scritto: Ah, maybe that explains why I despise their package manager. When I was a Debian user I figured that the most basic of utilities should be easy to use -- and I'm only half joking. Just for fun I tried Ubuntu recently since it's been so popular the last few years. They built their system on top of a Debian base, including my nemesis, the Debian package management system :o( The Synaptics GUI front end for their package manager is a great deal easier than the original back end, true, but the basic bad design of the back end still glares through the eye candy. (Just my opinion.) I like gentoo's portage system so-o-o-o much better! As a user of both Debian-based and Gentoo systems, I am curious to know what do you find so annoying about apt-get. Heh. I laughed out loud when I read this link about dselect, especially the quote from Andrew Morton who captured my sentiments exactly: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dselect Portage is more flexible probably, but apt-get, with an appropriate frontend like Synaptics, is a piece of cake: in 99% of cases is click go. Yes, if gentoo ever disappears (God forbid) I would probably go back to Ubuntu because the Synaptics front end isn't too confusing. But I'm still annoyed by the idea that a binary package can be only 'partially installed', whatever that means. And why does a binary package need to be configured, whatever that means? After I dropped dselect like a hot potato I used apt-get from the command line routinely. I recall that there were often conflicts between the newly downloaded packages and the old installed ones, leaving the machine in an undefined state for me to sort out however I could. Perhaps Debian has matured a bit since then -- I certainly hope so! And surely it makes more sense to use than rpm, on the command line (let alone the crazy Slackware guys :) ) I can barely remember using Red Hat, and I've never used Slackware, so I can't offer any comments either pro or con. It's me and gentoo til death do us part. And I hope I go first...
[gentoo-user] Re: Considering launching into Gentoo
On 06/14/2009 03:04 AM, walt wrote: Portage is more flexible probably, but apt-get, with an appropriate frontend like Synaptics, is a piece of cake: in 99% of cases is click go. Yes, if gentoo ever disappears (God forbid) I would probably go back to Ubuntu because the Synaptics front end isn't too confusing. Fortunately there's Arch too ;)
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Considering launching into Gentoo
On Sat, 13 Jun 2009 17:04:57 -0700 walt w41...@gmail.com wrote: It's me and gentoo til death do us part. And I hope I go first... C'mon, something better might always come along, obsoleting gentoo, like gentoo-ng ;) -- Mike Kazantsev // fraggod.net signature.asc Description: PGP signature
