Alan McKinnon alan.mckinnon at gmail.com writes:
On Thursday 27 March 2008, Michael Schmarck wrote:
The question now is why were the alsa, oss and other drivers
removed from the -base ebuild?
Because they belong to the meta package, I suppose. The real
question rather is, why was rb not updated to depend on -meta.
I filed https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=214852 for that.
Good luck with getting a dev to agree to that. I wouldn't, and don't
know a single case in portage where an ebuild DEPENDS on a -meta ebuild
(possible -metas DEPENDING on subordinate -metas excepted)
In that case, rb should depend on gst-plugins-base, but that's
also not what them devs want. It rather seems, that they prefer
that users have a non-functional system - which I find a quite
strange attitude. But that's just me, I guess.
-meta packages are designed to be manually added to world by users who
wish an easy way to emerge everything.
Fine, but did you actually have a look at the gst-plugins-meta
package? It does *NOT* add everything. It is *NOT* at all like
the kde-meta package. The gst-plugins-meta package only adds
everything, if all the USE flags are set. Again, that's very
much different from the kde-meta package - for it to be the
same, the kde-meta would need to have, let's say, a ppp
flag with which a user could control if ppp stuff (kppp for
example) get's installed. But there's no such flag.
It's not described in policy
anywhere I have ever seen, the actual usage in practise tells you the
intended usage.
The actual usage of other meta packages (again, I'm thinking
abut kde-meta and also gnome-base/gnome here) differs *completely*
from the usage of the gst-plugins-meta package. So I don't
see, how you can compare different things here.
Go back and read bug 159470 again, especially comments 3 and 4.
I don't quite understand that. Nobody is proposing, that rb should
now grow an alsa USE flag. I'm also not saying that gst-plugins-base
should re-grow the alsa USE flag.
The
dependencies you propose cause circular dependency loops
Why's that?
rb should depend on gst-plugins-meta which should depend on
gst-plugins-alsa (if the USE flag is set so).
and
recompilation of packages that depend on the USE flags when they
change, even when the resulting files installed are EXACTLY the same as
the ones replaced.
Care to expand on that?
This is the reason why the USE flags were removed
from the ebuild,
That's fine.
to save you from the horror that is circular deps.
Could you cook up a testcase to show that?
I recall something similar with another sound
app a while ago, the reason is that it could be used as a networked
sound delivery server and there's no good reason to require the
user to have sound driver support on the local machine. I suspect
your bug will be closed WONTFIX, with luck the dev will justify
their reasoning.
If not, I'll reopen it.
And Jakob will probably just close it.
Then I'll reopen it.
He's brutal about that, and it's
his job.
Dunno. But let's not discuss Jakub.
The problem you are trying to solve would be much better
served with a request for an ELOG to be emitted by rhythmbox alerting
to user to the need to install gst-plugins-whatever.
I don't think so.
There's a damn good reason why rhythmbox does does depend on -meta.
I suppose you mean does not depend on -meta, right?
That
will never happen, so you should get over it. Bug 159470 explains why
it's not a good idea to depend on -base either, so now you get to issue
one more emerge by yourself.
Actually, it doesn't. Comment #3 from Jakub doesn't apply. I totally
agree with Jakub, that it might have been a bad idea to have something
like
mad? ( =media-plugins/gst-plugins-mad-0.10* )
in the totem ebuild. That sucks. Nobody wants that back.
I seem to be missing something - what happens, if rb would
depend on gst-plugins-meta? Suppose USE=alsa is set. Then if
emerge rhythmbox would be done, gst-plugins-meta and
gst-plugins-alsa would be emerged. Then the user thinks that
dvb is a good idea and adds dvb to his make.conf file.
If he'd recompile gst-plugins-meta, he'd also get gst-plugins-dvb
installed. Would rb then need to be recompiled, in the point
of view of emerge?
Michael
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