[gentoo-user] Re: Re: how thorough is #emerge --sync?
Darren Kirby [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Quoth the Alexander Skwar · maxim wexler [EMAIL PROTECTED]: digg2ogg should be dir2ogg 0.8 is the latest stable version. Why do you think, that a different version should be offered, when you emerge dir2ogg? Well, I'm the upstream author, and _I_ think there should be different (ie: newer) version offered. Good enough? No, not good enough, as that doesn't matter at all. All that matters is, what's in the tree. And the latest stable version is 0.8, no matter what you think. The question remains: Why should a different version be offered? Alexander Skwar -- A closed mouth gathers no foot. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: how thorough is #emerge --sync?
Quoth the Alexander Skwar Darren Kirby [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Quoth the Alexander Skwar · maxim wexler [EMAIL PROTECTED]: digg2ogg should be dir2ogg 0.8 is the latest stable version. Why do you think, that a different version should be offered, when you emerge dir2ogg? Well, I'm the upstream author, and _I_ think there should be different (ie: newer) version offered. Good enough? No, not good enough, as that doesn't matter at all. All that matters is, what's in the tree. And the latest stable version is 0.8, no matter what you think. The question remains: Why should a different version be offered? Alexander Skwar -- A closed mouth gathers no foot. Sorry Alexander, I just don't get where you're going with this. Version 0.8 was released September 27, 2004! There have been 4 major new releases since then, which include many bug fixes, and new and improved features. 0.8 is old and busted, 0.9.3 is the new hotness! Surely I don't need to explain the concept of how software improves with new development? You're not using GCC 2.95 and kernel 2.2.10 are you? Confused by your remarks, -d -- darren kirby :: Part of the problem since 1976 :: http://badcomputer.org ...the number of UNIX installations has grown to 10, with more expected... - Dennis Ritchie and Ken Thompson, June 1972 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: how thorough is #emerge --sync?
On Wed, Oct 18, 2006 at 11:30:40AM -0700, Darren Kirby wrote: Well, I'm the upstream author, and _I_ think there should be different (ie: newer) version offered. Good enough? No, not good enough, as that doesn't matter at all. All that matters is, what's in the tree. And the latest stable version is 0.8, no matter what you think. The question remains: Why should a different version be offered? Sorry Alexander, I just don't get where you're going with this. Version 0.8 was released September 27, 2004! There have been 4 major new releases since then, which include many bug fixes, and new and improved features. 0.8 is old and busted, 0.9.3 is the new hotness! Guys, Just to prevent the heat from escalating, may I offer my observation that the two of you seems to be arguing about completely different things? Alexander (and I, likewise) probably misunderstood Darren's question from the start: when he posted, I thought his expectation that emerge dir2ogg should bring in a newer version than what was offered was a lack of understanding of how the portage tree works (well, some of my friends do actually think that the package management system [aptget, rpm, portage, etc.] would actually be smart enough to automatically go on the internet and find and install the latest version of a program, so I wouldn't put any misconception past human capacity). But it seems clear to me now that Darren is actually asking about whether it is polite to give the devs a gentle nudge, asking them to remove an old, buggy version of software from the portage tree and add/stablize newer, updated versions (and how to go about doing so if it is polite). I am actually curious about the same thing: some of the packages that I use are also a year or two out of date, for the most part I can get around it by using overlays and third-party ebuilds, and I am making an effort to learn how to write ebuilds, but it would be nice to see those ebuilds committed to the official tree. W -- Willie W. Wong [EMAIL PROTECTED] 408 Fine Hall, Department of Mathematics, Princeton University, Princeton A mathematician's reputation rests on the number of bad proofs he has given. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: how thorough is #emerge --sync?
Quoth the Willie Wong On Wed, Oct 18, 2006 at 11:30:40AM -0700, Darren Kirby wrote: Well, I'm the upstream author, and _I_ think there should be different (ie: newer) version offered. Good enough? No, not good enough, as that doesn't matter at all. All that matters is, what's in the tree. And the latest stable version is 0.8, no matter what you think. The question remains: Why should a different version be offered? Sorry Alexander, I just don't get where you're going with this. Version 0.8 was released September 27, 2004! There have been 4 major new releases since then, which include many bug fixes, and new and improved features. 0.8 is old and busted, 0.9.3 is the new hotness! Guys, Just to prevent the heat from escalating, may I offer my observation that the two of you seems to be arguing about completely different things? Heat? I'm not mad, just confused ;) Alexander (and I, likewise) probably misunderstood Darren's question from the start: when he posted, I thought his expectation that emerge dir2ogg should bring in a newer version than what was offered was a lack of understanding of how the portage tree works (well, some of my friends do actually think that the package management system [aptget, rpm, portage, etc.] would actually be smart enough to automatically go on the internet and find and install the latest version of a program, so I wouldn't put any misconception past human capacity). Please note Willie, I am not the original poster. I jumped in here because I wrote the script that the OP is asking about, and I agree the current stable version is long outdated. That said, I _do_ realize that the OP was asking a flawed question. I was simply responding to Alexander: Why do you think, that a different version should be offered, when you emerge dir2ogg?. If he means why should portage automatically go grab the newest upstream version, then I agree with his implication: it shouldn't. That's not what he wrote though. The wording of his comment reads like he is asking why portage should offer a more current version of the software, which is the source of my confusion. I don't think that anyone here will argue that the software in portage should stagnate on versions years out of date. But it seems clear to me now that Darren is actually asking about whether it is polite to give the devs a gentle nudge, asking them to remove an old, buggy version of software from the portage tree and add/stablize newer, updated versions (and how to go about doing so if it is polite). I already did give a gentle nudge ;) I am actually curious about the same thing: some of the packages that I use are also a year or two out of date, for the most part I can get around it by using overlays and third-party ebuilds, and I am making an effort to learn how to write ebuilds, but it would be nice to see those ebuilds committed to the official tree. Open a bug (with severity 'enhancement') and ask for a version bump. If you can write an ebuild that has been tested and works, even better... W -- Willie W. Wong [EMAIL PROTECTED] 408 Fine Hall, Department of Mathematics, Princeton University, Princeton A mathematician's reputation rests on the number of bad proofs he has given. -d -- darren kirby :: Part of the problem since 1976 :: http://badcomputer.org ...the number of UNIX installations has grown to 10, with more expected... - Dennis Ritchie and Ken Thompson, June 1972 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: Re: how thorough is #emerge --sync?
· Darren Kirby [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I did! Back on September 12th: http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=147360 Fine. Portage/emerge doesn't care about this, unless it is made available to it - eg. through an overlay. I don't know if it is overworked devs, lost in the shuffle, or what, but I've done all I can. Yep. It's not at all your fault. Alexander Skwar -- All we are given is possibilities -- to make ourselves one thing or another. -- Ortega y Gasset -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
