Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: rhythmbox plays silently
On Monday 31 March 2008, Michael Schmarck wrote: Stroller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 30 Mar 2008, at 06:47, Michael Schmarck wrote: ... In your world, an aggressor is doing nothing wrong? Do I understand that right? ... Get real. When you're describing someone who has annoyed you on the Internet as an aggressor it probably means you need to take a break for a while How else would you describe Alan in his first post in the thread? Troll? Would that fit better? I prefer class clown. Seeing as it was me that said it, that being the class clown is exactly what I was doing and I'm the only person who can see inside my head, I think I'll stick with my own conclusions on this point - they seem to be way more reliable than, say, your opinion about what might be in my head. -- Alan McKinnon alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: rhythmbox plays silently
On Monday 31 March 2008, Michael Schmarck wrote: Stroller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 30 Mar 2008, at 06:47, Michael Schmarck wrote: ... In your world, an aggressor is doing nothing wrong? Do I understand that right? ... Get real. When you're describing someone who has annoyed you on the Internet as an aggressor it probably means you need to take a break for a while How else would you describe Alan in his first post in the thread? Troll? Would that fit better? Hello, people! Calm down, will you? Michael, if you scan past posts by Alan, you will find out that he is full of jokes - good ones and some not so good. He is neither aan aggressor, nor a troll. Just full of - sometimes weird - humour. He was pulling your leg; that's different from trolling. Now, please put this to rest and get real again. ;-) Uwe -- Informal Linux Group Namibia: http://www.linux.org.na/ SysEx (Pty) Ltd.: http://www.SysEx.com.na/ -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: Re: rhythmbox plays silently
darren kirby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: quoth the Michael Schmarck: My attitude? Well, maybe. But I rather think it has everything to do with Alan, who made a bad comment. Have you not noticed that you are the _only_ person upset by Alan's post? Yes, I have. Why don't you think about that for a bit I did. Result: Noone else cared, because it was a direct response to one of my posts. It was NOT me who started the fight. It most certainly was. Oh, yeah? Remember, it wasn't me who started the fight. It was started by Alan, who posted the KDE comment. to respond instead of ignoring it as you should of. Now intead of one useless message to this thread we have 30. Good work buddy! Not my fault. Blame the one who started all that. Michael -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: Re: rhythmbox plays silently
Stroller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 30 Mar 2008, at 06:47, Michael Schmarck wrote: ... In your world, an aggressor is doing nothing wrong? Do I understand that right? ... Get real. When you're describing someone who has annoyed you on the Internet as an aggressor it probably means you need to take a break for a while How else would you describe Alan in his first post in the thread? Troll? Would that fit better? Michael -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: rhythmbox plays silently
On 28 Mar 2008, at 22:01, Hal Martin wrote: Michael Schmarck wrote: Alan McKinnon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now, onto your actual problem. It is exceptionally hard to even attempt to provide a solution unless someone else fixed the exact same problem before, as you have not provided any configuration at all and very little useful information. What would you have wanted to see? I wrote that sound works. You don't need more information. Hence your post was as much noise as mine was. That's why other people, or at least Andrey, was able to help, where as you were just a moron. Not to dig up this unpleasantness again, but there are some things I'd like to point out for future reference (for all people, including me, who will post questions with hopes of getting useful answers.) ... Great, and now you've noticed that Totem, another GStreamer program, isn't outputting sound. Therefore, instead of just blowing off the previous poster, you could actually include that information. Hi there, I, too, thought about saying something like this at the time. I'm glad you have done so and I agree with all your points. Michael: Alan's reply was harmless. You're not entitled to pick on him unless you posted correctly in the first place. You're asking for help - provide as much information as possible and please don't antagonise people (especially because they may be able to help you!). If you want help then it's YOUR responsibility to provide as much information as possible. Help people to help you, and make it easy for them to do so. Providing a dearth of information requires respondents to type more, making suggestions which accommodate all the possibilities which you've failed to eliminate. Oftentimes, just making the effort to demonstrate your problem correctly - for example showing permissions with `ls -l /dev/audio` and `grep audio /etc/group` - will show you the problem lies. You'll slap your forehead, curse yourself, take a little pride in having solved the problem yourself, learn something, and save you troubling others with your problem. Othertimes making a post can take hours, compiling relevant information from a terminal window. But I speak from experience when I tell you that this may provoke a very quick response which immediately diagnoses your problem and provides a resolution that can be applied in minutes. I, too, know what it's like to receive a reply to one of my questions which I find to be unhelpful and aggravating. However, two wrongs don't make a right and no-one benefits from an angry response. Stroller. -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: rhythmbox plays silently
Michael Schmarck wrote: Alan McKinnon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now, onto your actual problem. It is exceptionally hard to even attempt to provide a solution unless someone else fixed the exact same problem before, as you have not provided any configuration at all and very little useful information. What would you have wanted to see? I wrote that sound works. You don't need more information. Hence your post was as much noise as mine was. That's why other people, or at least Andrey, was able to help, where as you were just a moron. Not to dig up this unpleasantness again, but there are some things I'd like to point out for future reference (for all people, including me, who will post questions with hopes of getting useful answers.) Nonetheless I shall try, so please provide the following: How nice from you, now that the problem has been solved. Yes, I'm aware that this particular problem has been solved, however I'd still like to highlight a few things about it. 1. the output of lspci as it relates to audio so we can see what hardware you have Why should that matter? After all, sound playback works (in other programs). It doesn't matter, but it's information people care about. It helps us to do our voodoo stuff and get back to you with an answer (it's quantity over quality at this point of the answering stage.) 2. What engine does rhythmbox use? gstreamer? If so, do other gstreamer apps work correctly on your box? That was the million dollar question. Great, and now you've noticed that Totem, another GStreamer program, isn't outputting sound. Therefore, instead of just blowing off the previous poster, you could actually include that information. 3. With what options did you compile rhythmbox and gstreamer (if applicable)? Does not matter. Actually, it does. Contrary to your belief that programs have the ability to read your mind and compile with all the flags they need to function in every foreseeable way, real world applications need flags. Posting them with your question allows for the quantity of answers to go down, while the quality of the remaining ones to improve greatly. Knowing from the beginning that you compiled GStreamer with -oss but not alsa would've helped greatly. 4. Lastly, this is out on left field, please confirm that rhythmbox is indeed using alsa and not oss Question 2 covers that. No, it doesn't. You just deferred your answer instead of actually confirming that the rhythmbox *engine* used either ALSA or OSS. Michael Not trying to start a flame war between anywhere here, but I'm just trying to make a point. Posting information, no matter how useless it may seem to you, helps us help you. For example, Hey group! My mplayer doesn't play sound! I get some generic error about the sound card not being available... Now, there are so many answers to that, and you will be frustrated because people will start touting their favourite software with things like, Mplayer sucks, use Songbird Songbird sucks, it's bloated, use Rhythmbox! Rhythmbox is buggy, use Amarok! Amarok is KDE based, I hate KDE and everything that's based on it, Gnome rules! Then the slightly more useful questions start, Well, was mplayer compiled with the alsa USE flag? Do other applications play sound? Etc, etc. However, if you'd posted the original error along with your system information, we forgo all the unpleasant favouritism and instead, get strained answers that will actually help you solve the problem, keeping all parties [hopefully] happy! Hey group! My mplayer doesn't play sound? Here's my USE flags:xft xcomposite threads dbus libfreetype freetype firefox xulrunner dvdread lfreetype ftgl gtk X glx usb mplayer a52 hwac3 ac3 ldap GPAC gpac x264 mp4 mp3 mad madplay libmp3 ogg flac alsa oss png jpg jpeg selinux hal ffmpeg encode vorbis chroot opengl mysql tiff gnome kde 3dnow 3dnowext aac encode gif ftp mp2 v4l v4l2 httpd sdl sdl-image xvid xv cvidix -rdynamic -zlib Here's the output of 'mplayer awesomemusic.mp3' MPlayer dev-SVN-rUNKNOWN-4.1.2 (C) 2000-2007 MPlayer Team CPU: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 3800+ (Family: 15, Model: 43, Stepping: 1) CPUflags: MMX: 1 MMX2: 1 3DNow: 1 3DNow2: 1 SSE: 1 SSE2: 1 Compiled for x86 CPU with extensions: MMX MMX2 3DNow 3DNowEx SSE SSE2 Playing Justin Timberlake - What Goes Around.mp3. Audio file file format detected. Clip info: Title: The awesomeness! Artist: Awesome band! Album: AWESOME! Year: 2008 Comment: Track: Genre: == Opening audio decoder: [mp3lib] MPEG layer-2, layer-3 AUDIO: 44100 Hz, 2 ch, s16le, 192.0 kbit/13.61% (ratio: 24000-176400) Selected audio codec: [mp3] afm: mp3lib (mp3lib MPEG layer-2, layer-3) == [AO OSS] audio_setup: Can't open audio device /dev/dsp: Device or
[gentoo-user] Re: Re: rhythmbox plays silently
Alan McKinnon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now, onto your actual problem. It is exceptionally hard to even attempt to provide a solution unless someone else fixed the exact same problem before, as you have not provided any configuration at all and very little useful information. What would you have wanted to see? I wrote that sound works. You don't need more information. Hence your post was as much noise as mine was. That's why other people, or at least Andrey, was able to help, where as you were just a moron. Nonetheless I shall try, so please provide the following: How nice from you, now that the problem has been solved. 1. the output of lspci as it relates to audio so we can see what hardware you have Why should that matter? After all, sound playback works (in other programs). 2. What engine does rhythmbox use? gstreamer? If so, do other gstreamer apps work correctly on your box? That was the million dollar question. 3. With what options did you compile rhythmbox and gstreamer (if applicable)? Does not matter. 4. Lastly, this is out on left field, please confirm that rhythmbox is indeed using alsa and not oss Question 2 covers that. Michael -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
