Re: [gentoo-user] The Linux Ecosystem (with funny references to Gentoo vs Canonical)
On Tue, February 10, 2009 11:12 pm, Joshua D Doll wrote: > Roy Wright wrote: >> Mick wrote: >>> On Tuesday 10 February 2009, Joshua D Doll wrote: Saphirus Sage wrote: > Nikos Chantziaras wrote: >> http://video.linuxfoundation.org/video/1069 >> >> I found it quite interesting that even Gentoo beat Canonical in the >> amount of patches contributed upstream... > Good find, I actually didn't know about E-Trade using Gentoo > servers. I > don't think it should be too surprising that Gentoo would contribute > more patches than Conical, as until today, I'd only actually heard of > one of them. This video brought up an interesting question by my friend (an ubuntu user). How would one go about getting Canonical or the ubuntu community to change their practice of not contributing fixes back upstream? Without having to change distributions. >>> >>> Gentoo involves you more with what goes bad under the bonnet and the >>> average Gentoo user is more interested in the workings of their OS to >>> attempt troubleshooting it and filing bugs. Your average Ubuntu user >>> is less likely to get their hands dirty, unless they are a dev. So, >>> essentially we are talking about different user profiles here. To >>> answer your friend's hypothetical question - he would either have to >>> change your average Ubuntu's user technical aptitude, or change the >>> user. Either attempt may mean the end of Ubuntu as we know it. >> >> The ubuntus are targeted at disgruntled windows users while gentoo is >> targeted at unix users. The former are used to complaining and >> getting no response while the later know it's their responsibility to >> help make it better... >> >> Have fun, >> Roy >> >> > I think you may be right with your assessment there Roy. The only > solution I could up with was to change distributions he didn't like that > suggestion, not sure why, because changing distros is like changing > underwear. Maybe he has some strange fascination with Ubunutu's pretty > color scheme? Wouldn't the following solve that though? # echo "x11-themes/gtk-engines-ubuntulooks ~*" # emerge gtk-engines-ubuntulooks It's currently at version 0.9.12-r2. I have not used this, so I have no clue how well this works. -- Joost
Re: [gentoo-user] The Linux Ecosystem (with funny references to Gentoo vs Canonical)
090210 Roy Wright wrote: > The ubuntus are targeted at disgruntled windows users while gentoo is > targeted at unix users. The former are used to complaining and getting no > response while the later know it's their responsibility to help make it > better... In my commonplace book ... (smile) -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] The Linux Ecosystem (with funny references to Gentoo vs Canonical)
Roy Wright wrote: Mick wrote: On Tuesday 10 February 2009, Joshua D Doll wrote: Saphirus Sage wrote: Nikos Chantziaras wrote: http://video.linuxfoundation.org/video/1069 I found it quite interesting that even Gentoo beat Canonical in the amount of patches contributed upstream... Good find, I actually didn't know about E-Trade using Gentoo servers. I don't think it should be too surprising that Gentoo would contribute more patches than Conical, as until today, I'd only actually heard of one of them. This video brought up an interesting question by my friend (an ubuntu user). How would one go about getting Canonical or the ubuntu community to change their practice of not contributing fixes back upstream? Without having to change distributions. Gentoo involves you more with what goes bad under the bonnet and the average Gentoo user is more interested in the workings of their OS to attempt troubleshooting it and filing bugs. Your average Ubuntu user is less likely to get their hands dirty, unless they are a dev. So, essentially we are talking about different user profiles here. To answer your friend's hypothetical question - he would either have to change your average Ubuntu's user technical aptitude, or change the user. Either attempt may mean the end of Ubuntu as we know it. The ubuntus are targeted at disgruntled windows users while gentoo is targeted at unix users. The former are used to complaining and getting no response while the later know it's their responsibility to help make it better... Have fun, Roy I think you may be right with your assessment there Roy. The only solution I could up with was to change distributions he didn't like that suggestion, not sure why, because changing distros is like changing underwear. Maybe he has some strange fascination with Ubunutu's pretty color scheme? --Joshua Doll //
Re: [gentoo-user] The Linux Ecosystem (with funny references to Gentoo vs Canonical)
Mick wrote: On Tuesday 10 February 2009, Joshua D Doll wrote: Saphirus Sage wrote: Nikos Chantziaras wrote: http://video.linuxfoundation.org/video/1069 I found it quite interesting that even Gentoo beat Canonical in the amount of patches contributed upstream... Good find, I actually didn't know about E-Trade using Gentoo servers. I don't think it should be too surprising that Gentoo would contribute more patches than Conical, as until today, I'd only actually heard of one of them. This video brought up an interesting question by my friend (an ubuntu user). How would one go about getting Canonical or the ubuntu community to change their practice of not contributing fixes back upstream? Without having to change distributions. Gentoo involves you more with what goes bad under the bonnet and the average Gentoo user is more interested in the workings of their OS to attempt troubleshooting it and filing bugs. Your average Ubuntu user is less likely to get their hands dirty, unless they are a dev. So, essentially we are talking about different user profiles here. To answer your friend's hypothetical question - he would either have to change your average Ubuntu's user technical aptitude, or change the user. Either attempt may mean the end of Ubuntu as we know it. The ubuntus are targeted at disgruntled windows users while gentoo is targeted at unix users. The former are used to complaining and getting no response while the later know it's their responsibility to help make it better... Have fun, Roy
Re: [gentoo-user] The Linux Ecosystem (with funny references to Gentoo vs Canonical)
On Tuesday 10 February 2009, Joshua D Doll wrote: > Saphirus Sage wrote: > > Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > >> http://video.linuxfoundation.org/video/1069 > >> > >> I found it quite interesting that even Gentoo beat Canonical in the > >> amount of patches contributed upstream... > > > > Good find, I actually didn't know about E-Trade using Gentoo servers. I > > don't think it should be too surprising that Gentoo would contribute > > more patches than Conical, as until today, I'd only actually heard of > > one of them. > > This video brought up an interesting question by my friend (an ubuntu > user). How would one go about getting Canonical or the ubuntu community > to change their practice of not contributing fixes back upstream? > Without having to change distributions. Gentoo involves you more with what goes bad under the bonnet and the average Gentoo user is more interested in the workings of their OS to attempt troubleshooting it and filing bugs. Your average Ubuntu user is less likely to get their hands dirty, unless they are a dev. So, essentially we are talking about different user profiles here. To answer your friend's hypothetical question - he would either have to change your average Ubuntu's user technical aptitude, or change the user. Either attempt may mean the end of Ubuntu as we know it. -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] The Linux Ecosystem (with funny references to Gentoo vs Canonical)
On 10 Feb 2009, at 04:59, Saphirus Sage wrote: ... I don't think it should be too surprising that Gentoo would contribute more patches than Conical, as until today, I'd only actually heard of one of them. Canonical is Ubuntu. Stroller.
Re: [gentoo-user] The Linux Ecosystem (with funny references to Gentoo vs Canonical)
On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 4:51 PM, Joshua D Doll wrote: > Saphirus Sage wrote: >> >> Nikos Chantziaras wrote: >> >>> >>> http://video.linuxfoundation.org/video/1069 >>> >>> I found it quite interesting that even Gentoo beat Canonical in the >>> amount of patches contributed upstream... >>> >>> >>> >> >> Good find, I actually didn't know about E-Trade using Gentoo servers. I >> don't think it should be too surprising that Gentoo would contribute >> more patches than Conical, as until today, I'd only actually heard of >> one of them. >> >> >> > > This video brought up an interesting question by my friend (an ubuntu user). > How would one go about getting Canonical or the ubuntu community to change > their practice of not contributing fixes back upstream? Without having to > change distributions. I was sure I'd read something about Shuttleworth saying they were going to start doing upstream fixes as it was one of their biggest critisisms, and a quick google showed me this: http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2008/09/canonical-to-fund-upstream-linux-usability-improvements.ars I haven't actually watched the linked video yet (as at work), but I think my link is still on topic. > --Joshua Doll > >
Re: [gentoo-user] The Linux Ecosystem (with funny references to Gentoo vs Canonical)
Saphirus Sage wrote: Nikos Chantziaras wrote: http://video.linuxfoundation.org/video/1069 I found it quite interesting that even Gentoo beat Canonical in the amount of patches contributed upstream... Good find, I actually didn't know about E-Trade using Gentoo servers. I don't think it should be too surprising that Gentoo would contribute more patches than Conical, as until today, I'd only actually heard of one of them. This video brought up an interesting question by my friend (an ubuntu user). How would one go about getting Canonical or the ubuntu community to change their practice of not contributing fixes back upstream? Without having to change distributions. --Joshua Doll
Re: [gentoo-user] The Linux Ecosystem (with funny references to Gentoo vs Canonical)
Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > http://video.linuxfoundation.org/video/1069 > > I found it quite interesting that even Gentoo beat Canonical in the > amount of patches contributed upstream... > > Good find, I actually didn't know about E-Trade using Gentoo servers. I don't think it should be too surprising that Gentoo would contribute more patches than Conical, as until today, I'd only actually heard of one of them.
[gentoo-user] The Linux Ecosystem (with funny references to Gentoo vs Canonical)
http://video.linuxfoundation.org/video/1069 I found it quite interesting that even Gentoo beat Canonical in the amount of patches contributed upstream...
