Re: [gentoo-user] Having the possibility to set the system-wide locale settings
On Sun, Sep 9, 2012 at 8:24 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: LANG=en_US.UTF8 LC_ALL=en_US.UTF8 Dale, Thank you, I used the same. P. S. Welcome to Gentoo and the world of constantly learning. Just when you learn something, something changes and you get to learn it all over again. :/ :) Chris
Re: [gentoo-user] Having the possibility to set the system-wide locale settings
On Sun, Sep 9, 2012 at 10:05 PM, Joshua Murphy poiso...@gmail.com wrote: A 'locale' is a collection of character set, language, date/time format, currency format, etc Josh, Thank you. I now understand what a locale is. It is surprising to me that the string en_US.UTF8 tells the OS about currency, date/time, etc. I always thought UTF8 was just a character encoding (not really sure what that is either but I would not have guessed that UTF8 describes where the commas go in a currency). Thanks again, Chris
Re: [gentoo-user] Having the possibility to set the system-wide locale settings
On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 1:20 PM, Chris Stankevitz chrisstankev...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Sep 9, 2012 at 10:05 PM, Joshua Murphy poiso...@gmail.com wrote: A 'locale' is a collection of character set, language, date/time format, currency format, etc Josh, Thank you. I now understand what a locale is. It is surprising to me that the string en_US.UTF8 tells the OS about currency, date/time, etc. I always thought UTF8 was just a character encoding (not really sure what that is either but I would not have guessed that UTF8 describes where the commas go in a currency). It doesn't, really. :) The locale code is typically composed of the format: language_region.encoding So for en_US.UTF8, language (en = English), region (US = United States), and encoding (UTF8 = Unicode). In this case the region code is where it will get the information about currency format etc. Some places also have an additional script identifier (languages which can be written in both Latin and Cyrillic, for example), and other modifiers are allowed to specify currencies, calendar formats, number system, etc. which might not be easily implied simply by knowing the language and country.
[gentoo-user] Having the possibility to set the system-wide locale settings
Hello, Section 8c of the handbook tells me: === You now have the possibility to set the system-wide locale settings in the /etc/env.d/02locale file: === Code Listing 3.8: Setting the default system locale in /etc/env.d/02locale LANG=de_DE.UTF-8 LC_COLLATE=C === Q1: Do I have the possibility to set the system-wide locale settings? A1: YES [I knew the answer to this one!] Q2: Should I? A2: ? Q3: If yes, what should I set them to? [The example sets them to a magical value that seems to be related to code listing 3.6, but it is not exactly the same. I am in the united states and I speak english if that helps answer this one.] A3: ? Thank you! Chris PS: In case it is not clear already I have no idea what a locale is and have no preference or what it is so long as gentoo and all my apps are happy.
Re: [gentoo-user] Having the possibility to set the system-wide locale settings
Chris Stankevitz wrote: Hello, Section 8c of the handbook tells me: === You now have the possibility to set the system-wide locale settings in the /etc/env.d/02locale file: === Code Listing 3.8: Setting the default system locale in /etc/env.d/02locale LANG=de_DE.UTF-8 LC_COLLATE=C === Q1: Do I have the possibility to set the system-wide locale settings? A1: YES [I knew the answer to this one!] Q2: Should I? A2: ? Q3: If yes, what should I set them to? [The example sets them to a magical value that seems to be related to code listing 3.6, but it is not exactly the same. I am in the united states and I speak english if that helps answer this one.] A3: ? Thank you! Chris PS: In case it is not clear already I have no idea what a locale is and have no preference or what it is so long as gentoo and all my apps are happy. I think my settings would work for you. This is what is in my file: LANG=en_US.UTF8 LC_ALL=en_US.UTF8 It works fine for me. Everything is in English as in American not the others. lol Dale :-) :-) P. S. Welcome to Gentoo and the world of constantly learning. Just when you learn something, something changes and you get to learn it all over again. :/ -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words!
Re: [gentoo-user] Having the possibility to set the system-wide locale settings
On Sun, Sep 9, 2012 at 9:47 PM, Chris Stankevitz chrisstankev...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, Section 8c of the handbook tells me: === You now have the possibility to set the system-wide locale settings in the /etc/env.d/02locale file: === Code Listing 3.8: Setting the default system locale in /etc/env.d/02locale LANG=de_DE.UTF-8 LC_COLLATE=C === Q1: Do I have the possibility to set the system-wide locale settings? A1: YES [I knew the answer to this one!] Q2: Should I? A2: ? Q3: If yes, what should I set them to? [The example sets them to a magical value that seems to be related to code listing 3.6, but it is not exactly the same. I am in the united states and I speak english if that helps answer this one.] A3: ? Thank you! Chris PS: In case it is not clear already I have no idea what a locale is and have no preference or what it is so long as gentoo and all my apps are happy. A 'locale' is a collection of character set, language, date/time format, currency format, etc [1]. For US English, Dale's response pretty well covers it. As for whether you 'should' set a system-wide locale, it's dependent on the system. If it's a system used exclusively by people with a common choice of locale, it potentially saves on per-user configuration. If it's a system used by people from around the globe, it can break their expectations of how a 'default' system should act before they configure their own account for their own locale. I believe, in the event a locale isn't specified, it defaults to POSIX. Of course, all of this also depends on the software involved actually honoring the setting, but luckily enough (for selfish people like me, that is), US English tends to be the de facto standard even when things don't honor the locale. [1] http://www.linuxtopia.org/online_books/programming_books/gnu_libc_guide/Effects-of-Locale.html -- Poison [BLX] Joshua M. Murphy
