Re: [gentoo-user] Is this drive toast--addendum
Hans-Werner Hilse schrieb: > Hi, > > On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 15:06:00 -0700 (PDT) maxim wexler > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>> If you wouldn't mind satisfying my curiosity, what >>> does the jumper do? >> Determines if the drive is master or slave in the >> BIOS. >> >> But perhaps you're thinking of something else. I'm >> astonished that someone doesn't know that. >> >> If you ever put a IDE drive in a PC you would have to >> know what the jumper is for. > > There are often much more jumper settings on HDs. Many HDs e.g. have > different geometry settings they can work with. Some of them need this > geometry information to be set by a jumper setting. Others have special > monitoring capabilities that are being used for factory checks or even > interfacing the controller. It's not just Master/Slave... > > In fact, if you change the geometry setting on the HD, this might cause > major trouble and look a bit like disk errors, I guess. > > -hwh Or they restrict themselves to a lower capacity in order to work with an old bios. Mine do, for example. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Is this drive toast--addendum
Hi, On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 15:06:00 -0700 (PDT) maxim wexler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > If you wouldn't mind satisfying my curiosity, what > > does the jumper do? > > Determines if the drive is master or slave in the > BIOS. > > But perhaps you're thinking of something else. I'm > astonished that someone doesn't know that. > > If you ever put a IDE drive in a PC you would have to > know what the jumper is for. There are often much more jumper settings on HDs. Many HDs e.g. have different geometry settings they can work with. Some of them need this geometry information to be set by a jumper setting. Others have special monitoring capabilities that are being used for factory checks or even interfacing the controller. It's not just Master/Slave... In fact, if you change the geometry setting on the HD, this might cause major trouble and look a bit like disk errors, I guess. -hwh -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Is this drive toast--addendum
On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 11:03:27 +0930 Iain Buchanan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have never had cable select work for me - I find it is highly > dependant on the specific IDE cable, drive, and bios combination. I > _always_ use master / slave jumpers, and don't even bother with cable > select. Even if I have only one drive, cable select has still failed > for me, resulting in no drives being detected. > > but maybe that's just me...! Actually I do that too, but as little as possible. I just put grub on the master drive and then, if i'm worried about isolating windows and linux, i can install windows normally on a seperate drive with the linux drive disabled or unplugged. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Is this drive toast--addendum
On Thu, 2007-09-27 at 08:47 +0800, W.Kenworthy wrote: > On Wed, 2007-09-26 at 17:38 -0500, Albert Hopkins wrote: > > On Wed, 2007-09-26 at 15:06 -0700, maxim wexler wrote: > > > Determines if the drive is master or slave in the > > > BIOS. > > > > ... > > > > Most modern IDE hard drives/motherboards come with "cable-select" > > enabled. These days you rarely need to deal with jumpers on a hard drive > > (which are prone to error). > > > > Maybe my memory is getting out of date (old age!) - but I thought you > were supposed to avoid csel as it often didnt work correctly in a > multidrive situation? So I have always manually set master/slave by > jumper (almost all my systems are multi drive I have never had cable select work for me - I find it is highly dependant on the specific IDE cable, drive, and bios combination. I _always_ use master / slave jumpers, and don't even bother with cable select. Even if I have only one drive, cable select has still failed for me, resulting in no drives being detected. but maybe that's just me...! -- Iain Buchanan printk(KERN_CRIT PFX "Reboot didn't ?\n"); linux-2.6.6/drivers/char/watchdog/softdog.c -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Is this drive toast--addendum
W.Kenworthy wrote: > On Wed, 2007-09-26 at 17:38 -0500, Albert Hopkins wrote: > >> On Wed, 2007-09-26 at 15:06 -0700, maxim wexler wrote: >> >>> Determines if the drive is master or slave in the >>> BIOS. >>> >>> > ... > >> Most modern IDE hard drives/motherboards come with "cable-select" >> enabled. These days you rarely need to deal with jumpers on a hard drive >> (which are prone to error). >> >> > > Maybe my memory is getting out of date (old age!) - but I thought you > were supposed to avoid csel as it often didnt work correctly in a > multidrive situation? So I have always manually set master/slave by > jumper (almost all my systems are multi drive > > BillK > > Same here on mine. My cables are straight through and I use the jumper to select which is master/slave. My BIOS is always set to boot hd0 or something like that. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Is this drive toast--addendum
On Wed, 2007-09-26 at 17:38 -0500, Albert Hopkins wrote: > On Wed, 2007-09-26 at 15:06 -0700, maxim wexler wrote: > > Determines if the drive is master or slave in the > > BIOS. > > ... > > Most modern IDE hard drives/motherboards come with "cable-select" > enabled. These days you rarely need to deal with jumpers on a hard drive > (which are prone to error). > Maybe my memory is getting out of date (old age!) - but I thought you were supposed to avoid csel as it often didnt work correctly in a multidrive situation? So I have always manually set master/slave by jumper (almost all my systems are multi drive BillK -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Is this drive toast--addendum
On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 17:38:44 -0500 Albert Hopkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Most modern IDE hard drives/motherboards come with "cable-select" > enabled. These days you rarely need to deal with jumpers on a hard > drive (which are prone to error). > Some bioses also support swapping device priority in the bios's software. I seem to have forgotten entirely about the master/slave thing... it's been a while since I put two drives on one cable. :) -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Is this drive toast--addendum
On Wed, 2007-09-26 at 15:06 -0700, maxim wexler wrote: > Determines if the drive is master or slave in the > BIOS. > > But perhaps you're thinking of something else. I'm > astonished that someone doesn't know that. > > If you ever put a IDE drive in a PC you would have to > know what the jumper is for. Most modern IDE hard drives/motherboards come with "cable-select" enabled. These days you rarely need to deal with jumpers on a hard drive (which are prone to error). -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Is this drive toast--addendum
> If you wouldn't mind satisfying my curiosity, what > does the jumper do? Determines if the drive is master or slave in the BIOS. But perhaps you're thinking of something else. I'm astonished that someone doesn't know that. If you ever put a IDE drive in a PC you would have to know what the jumper is for. Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545433 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Is this drive toast--addendum
On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 19:20:10 -0700 (PDT) maxim wexler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- Dan Farrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 20:38:45 -0700 (PDT) > > maxim wexler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Forgot to add: this all started when I made hda > > into > > > hdb and vice versa by changing the jumpers on the > > two > > > IDE drives in this particular PC and telling the > > BIOS > > > to boot from the 2nd drive. And updating grub and > > > fstab, of course. > > > > > > > changing the jumpers on the two drives? You > > generally don't have to > > change drive jumpers to switch priority in the BIOS > > (or physically), > > although it might be necessary in certain > > circumstances I guess. > > The first drive is for Micro$haft, which I still need > for certain tasks. If you wouldn't mind satisfying my curiosity, what does the jumper do? -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Is this drive toast--addendum
--- Dan Farrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 20:38:45 -0700 (PDT) > maxim wexler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Forgot to add: this all started when I made hda > into > > hdb and vice versa by changing the jumpers on the > two > > IDE drives in this particular PC and telling the > BIOS > > to boot from the 2nd drive. And updating grub and > > fstab, of course. > > > > changing the jumpers on the two drives? You > generally don't have to > change drive jumpers to switch priority in the BIOS > (or physically), > although it might be necessary in certain > circumstances I guess. The first drive is for Micro$haft, which I still need for certain tasks. > -- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list > > Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=summer+activities+for+kids&cs=bz -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Is this drive toast--addendum
On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 20:38:45 -0700 (PDT) maxim wexler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Forgot to add: this all started when I made hda into > hdb and vice versa by changing the jumpers on the two > IDE drives in this particular PC and telling the BIOS > to boot from the 2nd drive. And updating grub and > fstab, of course. > changing the jumpers on the two drives? You generally don't have to change drive jumpers to switch priority in the BIOS (or physically), although it might be necessary in certain circumstances I guess. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Is this drive toast--addendum
On Dienstag, 25. September 2007, maxim wexler wrote: > Forgot to add: this all started when I made hda into > hdb and vice versa by changing the jumpers on the two > IDE drives in this particular PC and telling the BIOS > to boot from the 2nd drive. And updating grub and > fstab, of course. > have the drives switched places too? with udma133 the place of the drive on the cable becomes important again. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] Is this drive toast--addendum
Forgot to add: this all started when I made hda into hdb and vice versa by changing the jumpers on the two IDE drives in this particular PC and telling the BIOS to boot from the 2nd drive. And updating grub and fstab, of course. mw Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/webhosting -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
